civus
Hearing video

ZBA Hearing - October 11, 2023

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 11, 20235h 37m

We'll review the correspondence from the East Kensington Neighbors Association.

Similar wording

It was not that well attended the meeting.

Similar wording

Only nine individuals showed up.

Similar wording

It was a close vote. More people voted in opposition to the project than in support, but there was support in the room.

Similar wording

We also, based on the comments that we received from the community that were at that meeting, we revised our plans.

Similar wording

We reduced the height of the building. We reduced the unit count of the building as well.

Similar wording

So we think that we're falling closer in line with the spirit of the Philadelphia Zoning Code as compared also to the surrounding neighborhood.

Similar wording

In addition, after the meeting, we did make a concerted effort to meet with some neighbors nearby who are in support of this project.

Similar wording

And I have a few letters of support in our packet of materials.

Similar wording

Then we'll review maps of the area, specifically the zoning map, which you'll see that we are RSA 5, but, you know, we do have a decent amount of non-single family use in close proximity to this property.

Similar wording

Then we'll review photographs of the property in this around the area, sample interior photographs.

Similar wording

So Mr. Alidad is a well-known property developer in the city of Philadelphia, and he has done many projects in the city, and you'll see some renderings of some of the work product that he's done that he wishes to put into this property.

Similar wording

Then we'll review the plans and drawings, which will show that instead of eight units as proposed, we're requesting six units.

Similar wording

Then our RCO meeting notice and proof of email of that notice, as well as mail of that notice

Similar wording

to surrounding property owners, our applications for appeal that we filed to the ZBA, our deed

Similar wording

to the property showing that Sansan Development LLC is the owner of the property, and our

Similar wording

certificate of tax clearance.

Similar wording

Again, at the conclusion of my presentation, I would ask that Mr. Ali Dodd virtually raise

Similar wording

his hand and be sworn in, and I'll have a few questions for him about my presentation.

Similar wording

So the first things first is the notice of refusal. We are an RSA-5 property, and originally we were looking to put eight units in this double-wide property, which is almost 1,800-square-foot lot.

Similar wording

After communication with the RCO and in the community meeting, we have proposed to put six units.

Similar wording

Again, if this was an RM1 property and there's many examples nearby of RM1, we would be allowed four units as of right.

Similar wording

Clearly, density is preferred.

Similar wording

Even in this part of the neighborhood, when we met with the coordinating RCO,

Similar wording

They even said that they had no issue with the additional density, just not to the point of eight units.

Similar wording

So just to highlight, if this is an RM1 property, four units would be allowed as a right.

Similar wording

We're proposing six.

Similar wording

In addition to the use variances, there are some dimensional variances, such as occupied area, rear yard setback,

Similar wording

and the fact that we're technically on a two-story block in the sense of there's a two-story structure to the left and right of us.

Similar wording

we're required to be set back. The only thing I would say as to that, it's uncommon in this part

Similar wording

of the neighborhood to have two-story structures. So essentially, we're unlucky because if you look

Similar wording

across the street, there's a huge apartment building across the street from us. So if we

Similar wording

were across the street, we wouldn't be subject to that requirement. As far as the open area and

Similar wording

rear yard setback requirements. The properties that we back up into, they have a 31-foot rear

Similar wording

yard setback themselves, plus there is also a four-foot alley as well. So, we're not taking

Similar wording

anyone's light and air in that respect. So, there's a de minimis impact to the surrounding

Similar wording

properties for those dimensional variances. But again, I can understand that the board may have

Similar wording

some concerns about that. And again, we wish to put a multifamily structure here and we

Similar wording

understand if there are limitations in that respect as well. So this is the correspondence

Similar wording

So, this is the correspondence we received from ECNA, East Kensington Community Association.

Similar wording

we received from ACNA.

Similar wording

And, again, I think the letter, you know, echoes what I'm saying.

Similar wording

They weren't against multifamily use.

Similar wording

What they're against was the amount of multifamily use.

Similar wording

They thought eight units was inappropriate under circumstances.

Similar wording

You know, I can hear what they're saying.

Similar wording

And that's why my client has now proposed six units to decrease the density of this project by 25%.

Similar wording

Again, if this was an R-in-1 property, this would be four units.

Similar wording

Again, it's out of character on this side of letterly to have such a large lot of 1,800 square feet.

Similar wording

So clearly, and again, if you will look at the zoning map of the area and uses around there, it's not out of character to have multi-use, a multifamily use there.

Similar wording

So we're asking for the board to consider that when voting on this matter as well.

Similar wording

Where we're proposing six, RM1 would allow for four.

Similar wording

Let's make this a little smaller.

Similar wording

And as you can see here, this was a closed vote. Nine people attended the meeting. Six voted in opposition. Three voted in support. Again, when we attended the meeting, we actually thought it was very positive.

Similar wording

There were a few questions. People understood that this is a multifamily portion of the neighborhood for the most part, and we were actually surprised that we had opposition. We thought that the people in the room understood the project. I guess the issue was the amount of multifamily use there. Instead of having eight, they wanted a lesser amount, and I think we met that goal by reducing our project by a density of 25%.

Similar wording

And then this is our RCO, or excuse me, revised proviso plan form.

Similar wording

So if the board feels so inclined to grant our zoning variance request, we would ask that they grant it with a proviso revised plans.

Similar wording

We reduce the building height from 38 feet, which is allowed by right, to 34 feet to meet more of the two-story nature on our side of the block, which is uncommon in that part of the neighborhood.

Similar wording

But understanding that we are surrounded by two story structures, one to the left of us and one to the right of us, we reduced the unit count from eight units to six units.

Similar wording

And then we also even removed an elevator in the building to give us more room in there for the unit sizes as well.

Similar wording

And then this is just our plans that would be part of our proviso if the board feels so inclined to grant it.

Similar wording

And then we did get additional support from individuals that lived nearby.

Similar wording

So down the block in 1921, East Letterly, we got a letter of support.

Similar wording

And then also from Cross Street in 1918-20, East Columbrilland, we also got a letter of support.

Similar wording

And then if you look at the maps of the area, so we're yellow here, but there's CMX4 here, there's CMX2.5, there's RM1, there's IRMX.

Similar wording

So we're not in a clear single-family portion of the neighborhood.

Similar wording

And then as you can see here, we are half a block away from Kensington Avenue, which is a commercial corridor.

Similar wording

So we're trying to help support that commercial corridor with that increased density.

Similar wording

And then also we wanted to show you a map that we got from Atlas. You can see like our property overpowers that block in terms of lot size. We're over almost 1,800 square feet on that side of the block.

Similar wording

And what you can also see is the how far the buildings are set back on East Cumberland, such that like any, you know, additional lock coverage based on the building structure or the lack of the requisite rear yards, not going to cause much issues with the property owners on East Cumberland.

Similar wording

and then photographs of the property this is the front of the property it's a vacant lot right now

Similar wording

as you can see we're just there's a building structure to the left of us and to the right

Similar wording

of us which are two stories in nature you can see that a little bit here maybe we shouldn't

Similar wording

have cut it off so much but there there's a an apartment building right to the right of us a

Similar wording

newly constructed apartment building and then this is our property in 2008 so this property

Similar wording

has been vacant as far back as Google Earth will take us.

Similar wording

So it's been for over 15 years.

Similar wording

So it's been for over 15 years and for good reason, you know, single family cannot survive here, especially now with rising interest rates and the cost of construction and such.

Similar wording

And for good reason, you know, single family cannot serve.

Similar wording

And then this is proof of our posting for today's hearing. So you can see the orange notice posters.

Similar wording

And then this is east laterally to the right of the property, as you can see at the beginning of a parking lot for a big residential apartment building.

Similar wording

And then this is east literally to the left of the property.

Similar wording

And then this is the apartment building that's across the street, as you can see.

Similar wording

So we're not in a straight single-family part of the neighborhood.

Similar wording

And then the sample interiors, I always try to give an example when I have the ability to of developers.

Similar wording

This is what his work product would look like in this property.

Similar wording

So I always try to give samples of kitchens, bathrooms, and such.

Similar wording

And then our plans and drawings, again, we're well within the height limitation.

Similar wording

We actually went down, so we're only 34 feet.

Similar wording

But I'll go through the floor plans.

Similar wording

So the floor plans are pretty straightforward.

Similar wording

There's two units essentially per floor.

Similar wording

The first floor also has access to the lower level, but the first floor unit are both two bedrooms.

Similar wording

The remaining units on the second floor and third floor, which are two on each floor, are one bedrooms.

Similar wording

There is a trash room on the first floor for access to all of the units.

Similar wording

That was really important to my client to make sure he has a responsible trash storage and maintenance plan.

Similar wording

And then there's also a roof deck as well.

Similar wording

And then here's a proof of our mailing of our community notice. Again, we had our meeting on May 10th. We also emailed notice to the coordinating RCO, all other RCOs, as well as the council member zoning aid.

Similar wording

So, we emailed that on April 27th.

Similar wording

98 properties were also mailed this notice.

Similar wording

Those are the properties that were mailed the notice.

Similar wording

Proof of mailing to those properties, our application for appeal along with our notice of refusal and project information form.

Similar wording

Our deed to a property showing San San Development LLC is the owner of the property.

Similar wording

and our tax clearance certificate showing my client owes no real estate taxes for this property.

Similar wording

With that being said, I would ask that Mr. Ali Dodd virtually raise his hand.

Similar wording

Alan, before you take testimony from him, could you just mention a little bit why six is the least variance you can go to?

Similar wording

Well, so this is for the board to decide.

Similar wording

As I highlighted, if this was an RM1 property, four would be allowed as a right.

Similar wording

My client has proposed six units.

Similar wording

That's for the board to decide.

Similar wording

I think the community thought eight was too much.

Similar wording

We've gone down.

Similar wording

Again, if we walk by the property, builder users propose this to stick out like a sore thumb, or is it something that fits with new fabric in the neighborhood?

Similar wording

But having multifamily in this living in this part of the neighborhood is something that fits within the fabric of the communities.

Similar wording

How many units that would be, I defer to the board.

Similar wording

Thank you.

Similar wording

Thank you very much.

Similar wording

Your client?

Similar wording

Oh, yes.

Similar wording

Mr. Ali Dodd.

Similar wording

Can you virtually raise your hand?

Similar wording

It could also be Mr. Christian Sanchez.

Similar wording

I know his partner is sometimes online as well.

Similar wording

Oh, there we go.

Similar wording

There it is.

Similar wording

Hi, could you please state your name and spell it for the court stenographer?

Similar wording

Hello.

Similar wording

Hello, everyone.

Similar wording

My name is Christian Sanchez, C-R-I-S-T-I-A-N, Sanchez, A-S-A-N-C-H-E-Z.

Similar wording

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Similar wording

Yes, I do.

Similar wording

Proceed, counsel.

Similar wording

Oh, yeah. Mr. Sanchez, you heard everything I had to state today about your zoning matter.

Similar wording

Yes, I did. And is it true and correct? Yes, it is.

Similar wording

And do you adopt as your own testimony? Yes, I do. Thank you.

Similar wording

Questions from the board? No, Mr. Chairman. No chair.

Similar wording

uh questions or comments from our attorney hillary emerson

Similar wording

not at this time mr chair thank you questions or comments from the virtual audience

Similar wording

I do not see any further hands, Mr. Chair.

Similar wording

i do not see any further hands mr chair planning commission

Similar wording

Planning Commission.

Similar wording

Thank you, Chair Bergman.

Similar wording

Sarah Bond, Philadelphia City Planning Commission.

Similar wording

The comprehensive plan recommends no change

Similar wording

to the existing residential single-family zoning.

Similar wording

The appellant has not supported their hardship claim

Similar wording

with evidence of unique physical circumstances

Similar wording

or conditions of this property.

Similar wording

The City Planning Commission recommends

Similar wording

that the zoning board deny the variance.

Similar wording

MI 2023 000 358 1845 to 47 East Lederle Street

Similar wording

I vote yes with revised plans one page stamp by ZBA October 11, 2023

Similar wording

four unit maximum four units

Similar wording

Thomas Holloman my vote is yes with proviso James Snell my vote is yes with proviso thank you thank

Similar wording

you

Similar wording

number three MI 2023 003 246 2990 Southampton Road

Similar wording

Carrie Nace

Similar wording

passed as the attorney

Similar wording

we were joining as a panel

Similar wording

yes sir

Similar wording

Good afternoon, Chair Carrie Nace-Poust, attorney with the law firm of Fox Rothschild, here

Similar wording

this afternoon on behalf of the applicant.

Similar wording

Just spell your name just for the court stenographer.

Similar wording

Sure.

Similar wording

First name Carrie, C-A-R-R-I-E, last name Nace, N-A-S-E hyphen, Poust, P-O-U-S-T.

Similar wording

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Similar wording

I do.

Similar wording

Could you identify your client in relationship to this property?

Similar wording

Yes, my client is Cigars on Southampton LLC, and they are the equitable owner of the property.

Similar wording

Okay. Mr. Holleman has just a few questions for you.

Similar wording

Good afternoon, Counsel. Do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate it to his accuracy?

Similar wording

Yes, I do.

Similar wording

Did you email all of the exhibits and documents as required

Similar wording

five days in advance to this hearing? Yes, I did.

Similar wording

Thank you. Please proceed and share your screen.

Similar wording

A moment while I share.

Similar wording

Can you see my screen?

Similar wording

can you see my exhibits yes great thank you

Similar wording

as indicated uh the applicant on this matter is cigars on southampton llc they are an affiliate

Similar wording

of holt cigars also here with me this afternoon is satia levin who is the managing member

Similar wording

Max Bustos, who is the engineer on this project, and Jerry Roller, who is the architect on this project.

Similar wording

This property is located at 22990 Southampton Road, zoned I-1 Industrial.

Similar wording

Before you are the exhibits that we have submitted.

Similar wording

Exhibit 1 is a copy of the Notice of Refusal.

Similar wording

As indicated, we're seeking a use variance to use this property for a smoking lounge as well as retail sales, which we'll get into further in the testimony.

Similar wording

Exhibit number two is a copy of the application for appeal that was submitted to this board.

Similar wording

Exhibit number three is a copy of the agreement of sale showing standing to bring this application.

Similar wording

Four is confirmation that all real estate property taxes have been paid in full.

Similar wording

Five is a copy of the notice that was sent to the surrounding neighbors and property owners,

Similar wording

notifying them of this hearing as well as the meeting that was held before the rco

Similar wording

as well as a certificate of mailing confirming proof of mailing to each of those individuals

Similar wording

exhibit six are photographs confirming that the property was properly

Similar wording

Our photographs confirming that the property was properly posted, notifying of the hearing being held this afternoon.

Similar wording

Before you is a copy of the aerial plan.

Similar wording

Property here is identified with red.

Similar wording

it's located on South Hampton Road along Townsend Road as well this property was

Similar wording

formerly used as a bakery it has improved with an existing building as

Similar wording

well as surface parking lot exhibit 7 includes various photographs of the

Similar wording

property showing the current condition this is the existing building this

Similar wording

photograph shows area of the existing parking facilities. Here's another photograph of the

Similar wording