The City Planning Commission recommends that the board grant their proposed use variance
for a family child care.
Thank you.
MI 2023-006-161-4012 Well Street, I vote yes.
Michael Johns, my vote is yes.
Excuse me, Mr. Chair, there's an amended refusal that we need to add as a proviso to any decision in this case.
Thank you.
So MI 2023-006-161-4012 Well Street, I vote yes.
What proviso per amended refusal dated 7-2-24?
my vote is yes with proviso
James Snell
my vote is yes with proviso
my vote is yes with proviso
Terrell Gaston
my vote is yes with proviso
okay thank you
number 7
MI 2024
001 166
4917 Pine Street
Gordana Costich
could you please come back
Gordana, just for the record, state your name, please.
Hello? I am back.
Hi, Gordana. Just state your name for the record, please.
Gordana Kostich.
okay could you please turn on your video video is coming now there is video is showing now
there is share everywhere but the video is not here is the video and it's showing yeah i see
okay yeah i'm trying to get out okay it's still sharing okay yeah and i may i be excused if i
I haven't been...
You can, you can.
Great, thank you.
All right, all right.
Berdan, how are you doing with your computer?
Can you bring up the shared screen?
I hope I can, yes.
Oh, there is a lot of things here, so I'm just going to go.
I don't...
Let me see screens, documents.
Why is it advanced?
Give me just a second.
And I am so very sorry.
I don't know how this layout came into all of this while I'm trying to see my, my.
Listen to me.
Listen to me.
There should be a green button on the bottom.
There you are.
There you are.
You're coming up.
Oh, my.
So I should be able now to go to not my desktop.
That's where my things are.
and here is dba hearing submissions and i would like to start probably um i know you saw and i
said i have everything submitted so um since i want to see show me photos of what you're trying
to do yes okay so that's what i was planning to do so these are drawing some pictures so we start
from there wow why is it showing me wait a second there should be
drawings and pictures it's a it's a a lot of these things there why is it i i don't know i really
don't next there um maybe i need to cancel this where am i are you seeing anything now you're
see my kitchen is that your kitchen yeah you see my upper apartment which i was hearing yeah that
means that i should be i have to be able to go to my to my main um main screen where as we can see
i have a zillion things open but i'm gonna close everything here we are here we are
okay so visuals uh this is for um where they are showing luckily so back stair drawings
okay so visuals uh this is for um
okay visual stairs i'll start by showing you um please show me the visuals yes
yeah i'm trying to open them okay finally we we're gonna we're gonna start and i'm gonna have it
bookmarks with only all right so this is you see this right yeah i do get to the stairs show us the
stairs yep okay so here is my block 49 between san bernard and 49th street this is fine we have
the back alley that runs between san bernard 49th and goes actually in a t here uh serving
these two other these kind of it's within our block to say. So the cars would go like this
and then go like this right like that and so on. Okay I am my property is located in the middle of
this block right okay and I can show it again here from the aerial view. So the problem with
The stair is, and now I show in the next picture, the current, you know, what the existing condition, because I did start.
Yes, this is from the front.
This is my, we call it my neighbor's stair, which is actually, oh no, I don't want to recognize this, which is basically my stair as well.
because this stair is supported on one side on 4917, which is my house,
on the other on 4115, and that's how it becomes possible.
So it was a shared stair, but it has been in a bad shape.
My neighbor didn't want to ask to use it especially,
and also they don't want me to repair.
So listen to me.
So you had a shared stairs
You don't like the way it looks
You want to put your own shared
I wanted
I wanted to repair
But it wasn't possible
So I had to make my own
And I have two apartments
Okay, so let me kind of guide us
Now I think I will be able to go
Like this a little bit
That would be a frontal view
Now I am showing because on my blog
Almost everybody
i think everybody has basically these stairs i said show me what you want what you want to do
i see that yeah okay so everybody has a stair i can probably move to my next uh if i just don't
make uh the the next uh document but i hear all of us i'm sorry please move to the next document
we see it okay so you saw all of these pictures so you know how i this is mine okay so you want
to see them so you're building a deck and then you're going to put stairs to the deck am i right
i am putting actually my my main uh thing is a stair the deck that you see is it comes naturally
because i have to provide i have a duplex i have a tenant uh a legal um a basement apartment and i
have a tenant in the basement that they have to have enough room to not only get
in get out their stuff to get in and out therefore I have to protrude you know
from their entry which is at the back of you know this thing then I am forming
in order to position the stairs so that this is possible I you know don't want
to have like in the middle of the air hanging, you know, passage and a stair so that I am
forming this deck that is actually, there is a beam holding, this is a beam and the
tiny deck here, the deck is on one side four feet on the other three and a half, that is
not a deck if i wanted that i might want a little deck for use it would be you know i mean more than
that so listen to me listen to me so you started to put this in and ellen i stopped you and told
you to come to us yes okay all right yeah so now let me let me go somehow and get the uh the next
document uh because i think this one is basically finishing it only has a few more uh chair uh
pictures. It shows that the San Bernard has all of these. So now I'm going to close like
this. Okay. Okay. So success. Now, what I am showing you is a little more, of course,
Now, what I am showing you is a little more, of course, of immediate pictures, because I'm going to try to refer to where we are.
of immediate pictures because I'm going to...
And there is a section. This is the plan of the, what am I?
The stairs, the stairs.
Yeah, the ground. Yeah, I know.
It's the first level, basically, because I'm showing here my neighbor's stair.
here is how it is being supported and then the existing I have a double glass door that I
changed the previous garage so this is my this is this apartment this is their entrance
so I have to get them in and out and to you know be able to get their stuff in therefore
Or, you know, my stair now, now we go, I think, yes.
So here's the stair.
I think it turns a little bit.
Here's the stair.
I know, I saw that, yeah.
I'm putting it.
This is the existing stair.
This is the kind of existing deck, but I am on that, over that existing deck.
I'm running my own, so that is independent structure.
And here under the bay, basically, that bay is that structure that dictated this little deck, which I plan to use in order not to overwhelm, not to have like a four kind of recycle and trash bins and so on.
because this area becomes, for my tenant, downstairs tenant,
that's kind of their entry area.
And I don't want it to be really clogged with trash
and recycles of the upper apartment.
So they can, from week to week, they can kind of hold their stuff above
and then take it down when it's necessary.
The problem, of course, is not being able to do this
is that my tenant on the upstairs apartment,
which is from the street, first and second floor, so it's a bi-level,
those tenants have to go around the block in order to take the trash, you know, out.
And that is very unattractive for rental and everything else.
And also what is my major concern is that I hope these ads are not showing for you that are popping up here.
um my my major concern is that i don't actually have from the upper apartment i don't have an
an exit to the ground floor so you see you see uh and and i have people who are there with small
children they're not supposed to jump from you know the so you want to you want to wait wait
wait so you want to go build a deck build this and then go another stairs up to the second floor
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, no, no.
This stair becomes from my upper apartment.
That is their means to exit to the ground floor.
Okay, all right, okay.
The major thing between, you know, me and this, you know, code, which comes under supplemental decking or under supplemental buildings and decks other than roof decks,
is that LNI sees it as the access from the ground up
and the concern, as it was explained to me many years
into making of this whole process,
is the concern is that someone will come from the ground
and rob the neighbors,
which, you know, in this case really doesn't stand
because already people have it.
We don't leave them.
So we don't want to talk about robberies.
Let's just talk about this.
So you want to put the spiral steps in.
You started to do it with a contractor.
Ellen and I stopped you and said you need to get a variance.
Yeah, I want the spiral stair.
It is real stair.
Spiral stair is least inviting.
I don't want this stair to be used beyond what is absolutely necessary.
And that is, you know, taking possibly down the trash, which I also think I would want to make it possible.
and it's not difficult to actually lower down the trash,
the, yeah, well, whatever, refuse with the hoist or something
and just come down the stairs and sort it out
and then come down when it's...
No, the whole hoist with the trash.
In other words, you just want to...
You're telling me you need a spiral stairs, period, right?
And you want to attach it to the deck upstairs?
Okay. All right.
thank you um questions from the board i have no questions no question i do um what does the
refusal say the refusal says get to the erection of a rear deck with stairs from grade to the deck
from grade to the deck, accessory to an existing attached structure
accessory to an existing attached structure used for
used for two-family household living.
YouTube.
That's the refusal? It's refused for that?
The one refusal is for having stairs from grade to the deck
in an attached structure.
Basically, okay, because decks are not supposed to have permanently