the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do yes i do dobson are you a neighbor yes sir
please proceed yes i've been mr melvin took the words out of my mouth i've been living in 1958
bridge street we're going on five years now and everything mr mike is a good guy and as far as
the parking is concerned once that uh shop closes that auto shop closes on gillespie street like
between 5 and 5 30 there's open parking on both sides of the street and another thing is mr mike
is all about helping people so i i see that as a a great help to people who are looking for uh
housing i really do mr mike he's wonderful mr doctor thank you for taking the time next
you're more than welcome thank you
ryan hibshman has been allowed to speak sir could you please state your name as
spelled for the stenographer it's ryan hibshman r-y-a-n last name hibshman h-i-b as in boy
that's h-m-a-n do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth
yes i do sir are you a neighbor yes i am please proceed with your testimony
um i just want to say i had no issues with the building um i second everything that the first
two gentlemen said mike goes out of his way to help people uh i think it'd be a great thing for
the neighborhood if you allow him to build this and uh that's too much it uh thank you for taking
the time to calls do you have any more hands on in the audience no further hands mr chair thank you
Planning Commission. Madison Matera, Planning Commission staff. The comprehensive plan recommends no change to the existing RSA 3 residential single family zoning at this location. The plan has not shown that there are unique physical conditions or circumstances of this property that would prevent it from being used in conformance with the zoning code. The Planning Commission recommends the board deny request variances for a minimum rear yard depth, maximum occupied area, multifamily use, and parking.
okay uh i just say contextually uh i think we showed that this does fit within the fabric of
the community thank you uh hillary so we're gonna hold this right
mended refusal so sorry i didn't i okay if the board wishes and we'll we'll do it okay yeah
that's where i wasn't clear we'll do it okay all right so why don't why don't we give this one
the same 617 date we have them the same with the other one have them both done
at the same time and submit the letter for both in tomorrow and then yeah yeah
so let's just give it give it plenty of time so thank you very much and more
other yes as I say and otherwise we'll we'll close the record except for the
amended refusal there's no other community interactions planned or
anything so thank you yep i am recusing myself for the next case
number six we have mi 2026 000204 1931 north 18th street henry clinton is the attorney for the owner
Ms. Gaston, Mr. Clinton will be coming back in shortly as a panelist.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Ms. Gaston.
Good afternoon, counsel.
Could you state your name and spell it for the stenographer?
True, my name is Henry Clinton, H-E-N-R-Y Clinton, C-L-I-N-T-O-N.
Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
And could you identify your client and their relationship to the property?
My client is Saad, S-A-A-D, Chaudhry, C-H-A-U-D-H-R-I.
And he is one of the representatives of the applicant, which is capital P, capital A, capital B, capital K, capital S, Properties, LLC.
see um and we have a letter of support with provisos one which is unenforceable from the beach
community services um and uh council
Community services and, uh, counsel, did you submit your documents and exhibits 5 days in advance of this hearing?
I did. And do you waive the reading of the refusals and relate to their accuracy? And I do, but then you can move forward with sharing your screen and presenting your case.
Thank you, Ms. Gasson.
Is that visible, Ms. Gasson?
Yes, it's a little small.
I will enlarge it.
Thank you.
Better?
All right.
Good afternoon, Ms. Gasson and members of the board.
I'm Henry Clinton on behalf of PAB, KS Property, LLC.
This is 1931 North 18th Street.
You may recall, I know you hear a lot of cases, but last week at this time, I was before you on a similar matter involving the same clients.
And prior to the introductions today of other cases, chairman indicated that that property, which is on Grad Street, will be voted on next Wednesday.
So by way of background, I'm seeking legalization of eight apartments in a home on the 1900 block of this street.
I have the table of contents, A1 through A10.
And again, it's a storied history, this property, and I'll use the table of contents as a little bit of a backdrop.
this property was legally zoned in 2012 as a two-family dwelling over the course of three
owners somehow it morphed from two family into eight family and i have plumbing permits electrical
permits and hvac permits for eight toilets eight wall mount split units so somewhere between
uh 2013 and 2021 the owner made this two family dwelling into eight eight family eight apartments
and if you look at the dates of the permits when i get there you'll see the permits were pulled in
2012. so for approximately 12 years through two and possibly three owners this was used and
and operate it as eight individual apartments.
The apartments all have separate bathrooms, separate kitchens, separate sleeping quarters,
but they are studio apartments.
So I'll walk through the presentation.
The refusal, this is an RM1 zoning district.
When I show you the photographs, you'll see that there are many triplexes on the block,
just as there was on Grad Street last week,
typically catering to students
right within the Temple area
and so if we wanted to build
a triplex
or if this was a triplex
it would be as of right
obviously eight apartments
is not as of right
and that's why we're before you today
as was mentioned at the outset
we do have a letter of support
from Beach Community Services
And we also have a community benefits agreement, which I will show you at the end of this presentation.
I think it might be the last entry that I have in this presentation.
And as was mentioned, there were two provisos.
One was trash management, and the other was renting only to senior citizens.
And again, if the panel board recalls last week, I had a lease from an organization that was going to master lease the building on Gratt Street.
and then bring in seniors on all four floors.
And again, not that I'm trying to hurt my presentation, but candor to the board,
there was concern about seniors walking up to the third floor, excuse me, of this building.
Photographs, aerial photograph of the 1900 block of North 18th Street.
This is the front of the building, and it may seem eerily similar
because it's the exact same frontage that I showed you,
exact same elevation I showed the board for Gratt Street
because it was the same builder, the same owner,
and the same subcontractors who put in, as I said,
eight toilets, eight bathrooms, et cetera.
And you can see that that photograph,
there's a triplex next door of those two mailboxes
rather than three.
Again, this is looking north.
Again, multifamily on both sides of the street.
Again, further down the street, we're looking south now towards Center City.
Again, further down the street, we're looking south now towards Center City.
There's another triplex with three meters for each apartment and then one meter for the common areas.
And again, as I said last week, I can't prove that with these triplexes, there's not two bedrooms in each.
That would be six bedrooms.
Obviously, bedrooms a little bit more different than apartments, which we're asking for.
but there are multiple bedrooms on many of the homes on this block.
Again, just another view looking south.
Here's the property to the left.
This was the sticker, cease operations.
My clients purchased the property in April of 2024.
And then here in November of 2025, a cease operation was basically taped to the front door.
And it says quite clearly, obtain zoning for current use.
And it's incorrectly listed as a rooming house.
It's, again, eight separate apartments.
Some interior photographs.
I've been in the property.
It is in decent shape.
it's a common stairway it's a switch back steps there's a four units in the front and four units
in the rear including a unit in the basement which has access with a set of steps leading
to the rear and leading to the front of the property but i'll show you the floor plan this
the rear of the property, the yard. This is just indicating that, you know, we have our zoning
poster placed nicely above the cease operation poster, which I thought was kind of ironic.
Here are the plans. So I'll start with the basement and work my way to my left.
So, again, there's a set of steps that lead down to the lower basement unit.
And then to get upstairs, you can also take the switchback steps and get to the first floor and get out the front door.
Access to the rear unit is through the front door, down the switchback steps, and into the rear.
So there's two on the first, excuse me, two in the basement, two on the first, two on the second, and two on the third.
Square footages range from 278 square feet on the first floor front and basement front to 408 square feet, which would be the first floor rear.
You can see it's a mirror image, basically, of all the floor plans are the same, basically, especially the rear ones.
The front have a little bit of deviation because of the stairwell.
There is no rooftop deck.
The property is fully sprinklered.
Tax clearance from the tax center indicating no real estate taxes are due.
Zoning map, again, it is an RM1 zoning district.
The deed indicating ownership was purchased, as I said, in April of 2024.
This is our notice letter we sent out to every property within 250 feet of the subject property.
and let me get, this is the community benefits agreement.
I have a signed one at the very end.
So these are the zoning records.
I won't belabor the point.
I think the board understands what's going on
because it's a repeat of what I presented last week
on Grad Street.
Zoning records, two family in 2012.
Rental license, two family.
Then between 2012 and 13,
the property morphed from two units to eight units.
And I also have the permits that support what I said at the outset.
And I also have a sprinkler certification.
So I will walk through the.
So this is a zoning use permit in 2012, two family dwelling.
Rental units, two, excuse me, rental license, obviously inactive from two units.
And then the transformation occurred where it transformed into eight units.
with the license in 2021.
2023, another rental license for the next owner,
indicating eight units.
And then when my client purchased it in 2024,
and then when my client purchased it in 2024 they did likewise as the the prior owners did
they did likewise as the prior.
obtain a rental license for eight units here's the most selling thing though really are the
permits the permits were drawn in 2011. eight water closets or toilets eight bathtubs
sinks washing machine electrical permit also drawn in 2012.
mechanical permit to install eight wall mounted heat pumps
and then this is the administrative notice of violation which mirrors the sticker that was
placed on the front door indicating the use is improper this is an indication that there are
sprinklers in the building that has been expired since there's no one in the building
and this is the community benefits agreement that has been signed by beach community services
so that's the presentation i mean we're not affecting any lighter air uh we are you know
in conformance with the code in the sense that it's residential albeit it's uh above the allowed
three unit maximum in this zoning district my client is basically
the subject of a situation where he didn't create it. He stepped into a situation that was created
by others. He mistakenly believed that eight units were proper. He rented the units for
over a year with that in mind, with no issues, no violations, no complaints until someone or
perhaps just, you know, L&I on a regular routine check realized that the proper zoning is not in
place. So we're asking the board to look kindly upon this application and consider the past
history of the property and the future usage, which will be for seniors. I realize that cannot
be enforced by the board, but it certainly can be enforced by the community group that we signed a
community benefits agreement with. And we would also look to the same organization that I presented
a lease for last week. And the board basically said that they really didn't want to consider
that. So we do not have a lease attached. And frankly, the company wants to see what happens
with regard to Grad Street before they want to enter into another lease with this property.
But they are interested in acquiring the master lease for eight of these units.
So with that, I'll ask Saad to unmute himself, adopt my testimony, and then we can field any questions the board may have.
Saad, can you unmute yourself, please?
He is on the call. He was on the call.
I'm Mr. Counselor. They'll be coming back in as a panelist shortly.
Thank you. Thank you.
Saad Chaudhary, S-A-A-D. Last name is Chaudhary, C-H-A-U-D-H-R-I.
Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Counsel?
so were you on the call when i presented the project your project your company's project to
the board yes and if you had the opportunity to testify would you adopt my testimony as your own
and it's true and correct yes okay thank you okay questions from the board i mean my comments from