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ZBA Hearing - March 26, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Mar 26, 20254h 56m

mr chair they'll be coming back in as a panel shortly thank you

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Sure, there are going to be 20 children.

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Okay.

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Dr. Presley?

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Yes.

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Hi.

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Hi, Dr. Presley.

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Could you please state your name and spell for the court stenographer?

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Yep, sure.

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So is Dr. Essence Allen Presley, and the last name is A-L-L-E-N hyphen P-R-E-S-L-E-Y.

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You swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Yes.

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Hey, Dr. Presley, how are you?

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I'm good. How are you?

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I'm good. Did you hear my presentation to the board this afternoon?

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Yes.

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And can you verify that it was true and correct to the best of your knowledge?

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Yes.

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And would you adopt a testimony as if it were your own?

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Yes. Could you find out how many students again and what are the hours?

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Yes, the number of students can be 20 students with 14 teachers.

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And the hours of operation are 830 to 230 Monday through Friday.

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And you'll use the entire property?

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We will use the entire property, but we're a multi-service nonprofit.

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So we also have a Pennsylvania Department of Labor registered apprenticeship.

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So we do other things that train adults on how to work with children that have disabilities, children that are autistic.

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train adults on how to work with children that have disabilities, children that are autistic,

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and children that are nonverbal. So you'll use all that throughout the property, you're saying?

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Throughout the property, correct. But we, sorry. Will the children be kept separate?

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The children will be kept separate. So they'll have their own room just because of the nature

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of children with disabilities and a lot of precautions that we take. So their room will

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be separate from other spaces used in the building, correct?

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All right.

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Questions from the board.

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Okay.

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I guess I'm trying to figure out how does this work?

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You said your hours are 8.30 to 2.30.

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Aren't those usually regular school hours?

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And how does your program work with the schools, with these students?

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Yeah, so we're a bit different.

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So we're considered early childhood special education.

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So we do run traditional, we run a school district schedule just because we're contracted through the various entities with the city and the school district.

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So our programs would never go past three o'clock, but our specific hours are from 2.30.

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We don't operate on weekends and we don't operate on holidays either.

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So we're a little bit different than a traditional child care program because we specialize with children with disabilities, children that are autistic and children that have developmental delays that are specifically identified through the state's early intervention system.

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Okay. All right. And then what age?

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We're three to five.

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Three to five. Ah, okay. All right. Thank you.

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Are the hours the same for the training that you provide?

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So for our, no, so for the registered apprenticeship, so it's a day program and it's an evening program.

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Our evening program tends to be hybrid just because we have apprentices that can be from all over the state.

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So they tend not to be on site in the evening just because of the nature of where they're coming from.

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but we usually do not operate a lot of evening programs we do do stuff for families

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just because they do have non-verbal children so we do family activities and things like that but

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we still try to keep that during the day just because our families have restraints on when

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they can get out and when they can do things with with their children and also work-life balance

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how do you how are you uh organizing pick up and drop off and separation of those uh different

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folks when they're coming in and going out of the building and are there separate entrances or

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how does it work yep so we do have separate entrances pick up and drop off is primarily

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handled by the school district because we're their contractors so the buses um would would

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still once we get approval determining, but we come to the front, it is already permit parking

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there or they actually can come on the property and park and load the kids just because they

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require assistance loading on the vehicle and getting strapped in. As far as staff and things

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like that, it's about four entrances to the building. So staff usually does use another

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entrance just because of the care that's needed to load kids on the bus and off the bus or for

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parents picking up to load them load them off strap them in and allow them you know to bid on

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their way and you're you're and i was really specifically um the speaking to your the other

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program that you have the train the trainee program how the where do they enter are they

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entering from the same entrance of the kids how is that how do you how do you separate those

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so they would

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they would enter through the front

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of the building and usually

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they are not usually

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in the building at the same time

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that the school is operating

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just because it would just be over simulation

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okay

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all right thank you

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any other questions for the board

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questions or comments from our attorney

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Hillary Emerson

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so is there

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parking on

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like on the property itself yes parking okay do you know about okay so that that was a parking

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okay so about how many spaces um it's about six we haven't black blinded but it was about six or

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seven that could fit on there comfortably um with being able to get in and get out and not

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interfering or blocking someone else in okay there i mean um there may be if you set up set up parking

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spaces there may be some other things that that you need to do just uh with that number of spaces

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just so you know other requirements you may need to meet so um just wanted to to make you aware of

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that you are required to to have parking so it's rsa3 um and it would be based on the square footage

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And it would be based on the square footage of the building, based on your use, I believe, like one space per 1000 square feet of the educational facilities use. But if you have that many spaces, they that will probably need to be reviewed under another permit application.

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of the building based

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Okay, I'll speak to the attorneys about that. But yes.

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Okay, questions or comments from the audience, virtual audience?

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Mr. Chair, I do not see any further hands raised for the matter.

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Planning Commission.

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The comprehensive, Madison Matera Planning Commission, the comprehensive plan recommends no change from the RSA 3 residential single family zoning at this location.

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The appellant has shown that the proposed educational facility will have no detrimental impacts beyond what might be expected.

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The City Planning Commission recommends that the board grant the proposed special exception for an educational facility.

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Thank you. MI 2024-007-168-5024 North Penn Street, I vote yes.

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My vote is yes.

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Charles Gaston, my vote is yes.

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Tynetta Graham, my vote is yes.

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Ty Owen, my vote is yes.

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Thank you, counsel.

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Thank you, guys.

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Is there anyone in the audience whose case, 330 case, has not been called?

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Mr. Chair, I do not see any hands raised.

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Thank you very much.

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And I'll remind everybody the sun's out shining and we're not getting out of here late.

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And it's not going to be cold waiting for transportation.

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It's springtime.

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Thanks, everybody.

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Thank you.

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