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ZBA Hearing - June 26, 2024

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jun 26, 20244h 28m

Yes.

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Very good.

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Questions from the board?

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No, Chair.

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I have a question. What's the public transportation like to that site? And is there parking available for folks that visit that site?

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So, yes, there is public transportation. Allegheny is on one side. Hunting Park is on the other side. There's parking for the facility for people that do come there. It's a gated parking for safety purposes because there's a daycare there.

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And we do have on-site parking. As you can see, I just shared my screen again, if you can see. To the right of the building, following my cursor, we do have a parking field directly associated with this building.

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And we have access to the property to the, I guess, east, if this is a north-facing photo.

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There's also nothing else on the entire block.

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Right.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, of course, there's there's there's ample on street parking as well, because there are there are no residences, you know, directly adjoining this property.

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Yeah, yeah, of course.

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There's ample on-street parking as well.

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And as you can see, along West Morning Street.

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I mean, you can you can readily observe vehicles parked along the opposite side of the street.

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And there are a number of bus routes, I imagine, that run up.

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Yeah.

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Actually, Fox, and then down the other side, all the way down the other side is 22nd.

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Yeah.

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There's not many bus routes there at all.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Other questions?

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questions from hillary hillary emerson our attorney

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just quickly to um clarify mr ward so the is is this tenant the only tenant at the property now

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and there and you're proposing this use for the the personal services use for the entire property

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Well, we would request a variance for personal use of the entire building because this entire building is more or less a standalone building on the property.

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And if the personal use could be approved for the entire building, that would pave the way for future tenancy.

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um right now we are speaking of the first floor uh correct george and as there is a basement as

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well george you gotta unmute yourself go ahead in answer to your question there's multiple tenants

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in the building okay there's common spaces within the building but all the tenants there

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are pretty much personal services um you have a dance studio you have a gymnastics class

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and i think there's a hair salon in there too uh all that uh i don't i don't really know

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what else i can tell you about the building except that if it's all if it's all personal

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services we are 100 against nightclub operations so that's okay no that's that's fine i just so

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sometimes when these cases come before the board they're for a specific part of the property or a

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specific suite but as as you're the owner you already have personal services there you know

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you would you're asking for additional personal services the way the refusal is written it's for

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the entire property so we just want to make sure there wasn't specification needed but the way the

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refusal is written it is for the entire property correct okay well yeah yeah okay all right

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question questions or comments from the virtual audience

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here we have charles richardson with their hand raised and they have been allowed to see

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good afternoon chair i'm mr richardson just state your name you've already been sworn sir

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charles richardson r-i-c-h-a-r-d-s-o-n office of councilwoman cindy bass room 508 city hall

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i have a question because of the fact that it was the way this was broached to us

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uh earlier it had to do with specific space it you know but as hillary has just mentioned

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it's now you know was written so that includes the entire property but what they were talking

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about was a juice bar and you know and and the exercise studio so I mean I'm a little confused

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with regard to that situation but you know based on the letters of support from Allegheny West and

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Swampoodle we will not have any objection to granting the variance but that was not what

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was proposed during the RCO meetings.

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Mr. Ward?

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Do you want me?

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OK.

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Charles, your point is well respected.

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We are speaking specifically of the

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The one building that, you know, fronts at the corner of Fox Street and what would be the railroad tracks.

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It we're we're here on specifically that building, you know, if you know, unfortunately, the the site plan does not identify that building specifically as, you know, any anything other than being part of the property.

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We're here on specifically that building.

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but it does have an address

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which is

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hang on a second

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let me go back to

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I'm really trying

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so 3251 is the whole giant parcel

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and then there's a particular building

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am I right?

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Yeah, Mr. Chairman, the 3251 identifies the trapezoidal lot.

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Right. Right. OK. And we're speaking of the square building as identified in our in our plan.

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It's clearly identified in our site plan on the application exhibit packet.

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And, you know, the postal office has an address for it, but I can't seem to look at it off the top of.

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What about your client? Does your client know the address of that building?

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It's like 32.

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Yes, I do.

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3251 fox street and it runs a whole city block it runs a whole city block down pretty much west

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moreland from the middle of the block to the top of the block all right george but that that's the

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entire parcel we're trying to identify how do you refer to that building 3251 fox no no no it's

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bear with me

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bear with me Mr. Chair

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it's a

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it's got a

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3259

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address

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wait a minute

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give me one more

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opportunity here

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all right one more second let me see

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all right

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almost there Mr. Richardson raised his hand again Mr. Richardson yeah Charles if you have a

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a specific address for that one. That'd be great.

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Please. You can talk, Mr. Richardson.

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Great. Okay. So I'm looking at a

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letter that was written by Allegheny West

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back in March of 2023 when Frank was still

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the chair. And it's further down towards the bottom. It says

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the plan to bring existing mixed-use building granted a variance in 2019. Each space on this

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property must be separately zoned. Dan's Studio for Youth has the juice bar in the gym, operates

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five days a week, and has six employees. The landlord facilitates traffic twice weekly.

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Allegheny West Association stands in support of this variance and encourages you to support the

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wishes of the community and our RCO process. So this is why I'm saying that, you know,

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That's why Hillary started in the beginning of this.

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Why don't we do this?

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Why don't we just approve this particular location?

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The first floor you're saying, Sean?

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Yes.

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No.

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Wait.

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Who's that?

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Who said that?

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Who said no?

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Fine.

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I guess.

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It's actually the gymnasium takes up three floors.

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it's there's the operation in the basement and they have an operation on the second floor for

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yoga this is all the personal services stuff that they wanted there um that charles that

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Charles, that was the kid that came out from the neighborhood was the boxing gym, and he is the one that started the yoga classes for the girls and the endurance.

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was the kid that came out from the neighborhood with the boxing

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It appears that this has expanded since the time that this was heard before the community, though.

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And that's just my, you know, what's my understanding?

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And, you know, and I did recognize that as being the case because it was only the first floor was being talked about at that point in time, not the entire building.

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It could, well, Charles, it couldn't have been because the-

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Yeah, but Charles, it's not the entire site.

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We're talking about that square building at the bottom right corner of the site plan.

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Let me bring it up again.

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So listen to me.

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Does that not have a separate address or something?

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Yeah, there is a separate U.S. post office address, which I am trying to.

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Sean, listen to me.

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Yes, sir.

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We're going to hold this.

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right i'm going to hold this until we figure out what we're going to call that building

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or something like that i i mean i think mr chair i was gonna say can i make a suggestion um mr ward

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can you pull up the the site plan because we could if um we could adopt a proviso indicating

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that the use was limited that building on the site plan because i don't see any other way of

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differentiating this a postal address isn't necessarily going to help because

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postal addresses aren't necessarily consistent with the city addresses okay

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can you see my site plan we see you now oh wait i'm sorry hold on a second share screen

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plans share

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this right here is the building if i if i reduce it what

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okay

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so the entire parcel goes from the uh upper left corner this is where fox and westmoreland meet

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it goes over it comes down and then

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Sean show us the building again

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blow the building up again

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large the building

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on the site plane or

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yeah on the site plane

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it's right here

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and what's it say on it

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two story

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steel and masonry building

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identified by the

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you know the red dot

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marker

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what's the E

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stand for there

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That's just the location

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East is over there

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What is it?

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Established

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Because look

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There's an A over here

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E one story

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E

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Probably means

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Maybe it means existing

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Yeah

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Okay

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But here on the plan, it's identified with the red identification dot, and it's the 75 by 75 square structure fronting on Fox Street and the railroad.

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How many floors?

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How many floors?

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george there's a basement and two floors correct yes

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mr fair this is hillary i think we can if the board is inclined to grant this request that we

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can specify the youth is limited to the building um marked on the site plan stamps by the board

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today all right thank you yeah and mr chair and mr chair i would point out that in my plan i've

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outlined this building in red um you know there's a red outline okay you know clearly identifying

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that which we are discussing okay is there maybe an address on the um tax clearance

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uh 30 uh cheryl cheryl the the address would be 3251 um for the whole parcel yeah i mean i but

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but you know i did and i was looking i was trying i was trying to find it i did see something you

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know online uh with a separate mailing address for this building um you know what let me oh no

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um you know what let me oh no let's go to

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32 50 what's that address there

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what's that 32 32 39

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could you enlarge that if i enlarge it it gets blurrier

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looks like

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3221 now

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I can't see

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I'm looking at the same image

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it's 3239 Fox

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Street is this the site of Teflon

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Fitness

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yes

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okay then it's 3239 Fox

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Street

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thank you

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Yeah, that that would be why don't why don't we, you know, do provide that would be that that would be the mailing address.

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3229, is it? Yes.

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30, 3239, I thought you said. I thought she said 29.

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