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ZBA Hearing - September 29, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Sep 29, 20218h 23m

that would be helpful. Mr. Chair, I have Enoch Amen Rael with their hand raised. I will allow

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I don't need to speak at this time.

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Greetings, members of Zone Board.

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Greetings.

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Please spell your full name,

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and I'll swear you in.

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Yes, my name is Minister Enoch,

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T-D-M-O-R-E-L.

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That's E-N-O-C-H.

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Next word, Tehuti,

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T-E-H-U-T-I-O-R-E-L-A-M-E-N-R-A hyphen E-L.

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Do you swear a firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I affirm. Thank you. Please proceed. Yeah, I'm in the capacity here as the Chairman of

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Farm Keepers with Southwest Community Zoning Committee, as well as a registered community

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RCO with the City of Philadelphia. Whereas on August the 12th of 21, there was an RCO community

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meeting held with regards to the case to bar in which the community as well as those affected

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our shows had addressed and proposed of uh projects um whereas the community and those affected our

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shows as body politic uh proposed the project and agreed to restrict the enormous change in the zoning

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code in that historic community that would create a hardship in the future density and will result

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in an unrepairable effect in that community further developer did have an opportunity to revamp their

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plans to accommodate the community's concern which was at Norvell. Also heard testimony stating that

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according to the city plan that the woodland area area is considered a high density.

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This particular block is not near the woodland avenue and it's not is it to my understanding it

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would it would not be visable to have that type of density in that small block. That area

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King Cesson where this block is adjacent to it's a major artery off of King Cesson it is deemed

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historic it would definitely change the fabric of that block as just recently uh as testimony

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which is mentioned the density around that area is is very high you you really can park because

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of the street cleaning and whereas we we oppose developers proposed project and stand uh with the

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And whereas we oppose the proposed project and stand with the decision of Ellen and I

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and pray to this honorable members of the Zoning Board of Justice Office to be the same.

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With that, I yield my mind.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else to testify in this case?

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Just for a point of clarification, I had mentioned that the Woodland Avenue area is two blocks from the property.

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I just want to make that clear.

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Anyone else?

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sir i have a pastor brendan van gorder with a hand raised i will allow them to speak at this time

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hello can you hear me yes pastor please spell your full name

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uh brendan van gorder b-r-e-n-d-a-n-v-a-n space g-o-r-d-e-r pastor at norwood

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and i live across the block you swear for them to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but

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the truth yes sir thank you please proceed so um i recently moved on to the block um next to

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families who have been here for 50 or 60 years um i have a little daughter that's nine months old

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we bought the house as you know a single family house looking for a block that would also be

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single-family homes. We wanted to be part of a block that, you know, felt like there were

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families in each home, and so I'm personally, and my wife, and are both really opposed to it because

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this is starting, or this proposal is two units or three units, so it's not, you know, it's not

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what this is zoned for. They have to, as my understanding, Mr. Chair Frank, you know better

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than I do. But as my understanding, I think they have to provide evidence that they have some type

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of economic hardship, like they couldn't, like they couldn't sell it as a two story one family

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house. I don't think they can do that, because I know what I paid for my house. And, you know,

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I think they could make a profit by just building a two story one family house, like, like the

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zoning is for. So I don't think that they've provided any evidence that that they need this

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variance, and I'm against it because, like I said, you know, two units or three units, that's going

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to draw a different crowd than a family. I know there's a lot of houses for sale around that are

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one family, one unit, and so, you know, the two units, the three units, even if it's just two

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units, that's going to draw, you know, maybe students or people who are kind of more transitory,

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and so I did want to mention also that we've been really active as a block we've gotten

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right now I'm actually in front of the lot and there's about 12 of us here we've been meeting

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as a block and then we had a great meeting with Miss Rachel and Mr. Gertie and really discussed

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you know we heard from their side of what they wanted to do and we we made it really clear to

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them that hey we really want our block to stay one family one unit houses uh and so when they

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asked us to meet it and they asked us if we'd be open to meeting again and we told them um only if

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you would consider you know one family one unit and if not then no um because we're making it

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really clear and so when they kind of reached out again we told them you know no we don't we don't

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want to meet again because we want this to be a one family one unit um so i think that's basically

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all i have to say i think that in terms of what could be done from here is they could sell it

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back to us so that we could make it a community garden um you know we would be happy to pay around

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the market price of five thousand dollars um or if they don't want to sell it to make it a community

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garden again um because i think it should be noted that it's been a community garden for 15 or 20

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years so it was never a vacant lot as they were saying um so you know they could sell it back to

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so we could make it a garden again or they could build a two-story single-family house like it's

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zoned for like uh you know i expected when i uh came to this block uh and like you know following

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the zoning court of uh rsa5 thank you uh mr chair the only correction i would make

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chairman you're on mute you're on thank you uh the only correction i would make pastor is that

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they can build up to a three-story, 38-foot height by right. Not that that is anything

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as significant as it relates to your opposition, but they can do three-story by right. Anyone else

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to testify? And please, if you can give us something new and different, that would be helpful.

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Mr. Chair, I just want to make a statement. Because it would be two family residents or three,

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doesn't necessarily mean that they would be transient.

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It would be people who otherwise couldn't afford to buy a single-family home.

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Especially if there were condos, yeah.

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Right.

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Chair, we have Andrew Goodman.

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Chair, we have Andrew Goodman.

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Mr. Goodman, please identify your...

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Mr. Goodman, please identify yourself for the record.

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I'll remind you you're still under oath.

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Yes, good afternoon.

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Andrew Goodman here representing the Office of Third District Council Member Jamie Gaudier,

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Room 586 City Hall.

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Members of the Board, our office stands with the near neighbors on this matter.

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I won't duplicate testimony, so I'll just note that I was in attendance at the RCO meeting

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and heard the neighbors concerns about the use variants, as well as the lack of building

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conformity within the rest of the block. Our office has also since received similar comments

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from six additional neighbors who provided individual feedback through our office directly.

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And I would just note that I've not seen any of that information. I would just hope in the future

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that I could be provided with some of that so that I'm aware of it. And just a point of correction

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to the pastor's comment um the property was had a vacant lot um had had a vacant lot violation on

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it since 2008 it's now been complied with but it there's no use permit for a community garden so

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i'm just was not aware of that use thank you anyone else thank you mr goodman anyone else

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we have samantha samantha unmute yourself

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please spell your full name and i would ask if you can limit your testimony to

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something new and different yes uh hopefully you can hear me my name is samantha rise roberson

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s-a-m-a-n-t-h-a-r-i-s-e roberson r-o-b-e-r-s-o-n

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hold on please uh we're getting some feedback okay miss rise please spell that the last part

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of your name the third part yes uh the my last name is rise roberson so r-i-s-e r-o-b-e-r-s-o-n

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you swear affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth

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yes please proceed

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uh thanks so much i submitted a written testimony um so just plan to uh to read that out loud

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that I'm a recent resident of the block, but have come together with the community members

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on the block who've lived here for upwards of 40 and 50 years.

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We knew member of this community with interest in like making a,

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making myself a permanent resident of Southwest Philadelphia. So have a shared vested interest

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in the community as my long-term neighbors do. So while I'm a relatively new neighbor on the block,

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have been the grateful beneficiary of long-term residents' sense of community,

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there's sincere interest in supporting new residents moving to the block such as myself.

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Many of the neighbors I've been able to develop relationships with have lived here before the

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lot at 1226 became vacant in a horrific fire where many lives were lost. Neighbors have worked

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through the space to heal that wound and create meaningful connections to overcome the hardship

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since then using the space as a garden since 1990 whether or not there's been a permit or zoning for

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that the reality is that the space has offered a playground to young people has offered farming

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and gardening space to neighbors both young and old and has continued to support as a as a central

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gathering place on the 1200 block of 50th street for decades the only reason a lot appears vacant

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now is because we stopped utilizing it in that way when it when we were made aware that it had

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been sold um i personally when i first moved to the block the summer of 2020 during global pandemic

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actually developed a relationship with robert field and and another neighbor of ours aaron by

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working on the lot together um so um it's my my feeling that the the project being suggested for

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the lot is predatory in the sense that neighbors have expressed over and over um their their

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aspirations for what the space could look like to be consonant with the needs um and the future

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vision that folks have on the block. And while the developer can do anything by right, the variances

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that they're looking at don't meet the unnecessary hardship standard. And a building that could sit

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in this lot could more than happily accommodate their needs to make a profit without happening

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at the expense of the community. I know you've heard about how the variance alters the consistency

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and the character of the neighborhood, and I would let long-term residents speak to that reality.

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but it also impairs appropriate use of the adjacent property, and it does truly impose

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many negative consequences on the welfare of the community. Also, there are no unique physical

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conditions to this space to suggest that you would have to request any variance of any kind.

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There's more that we could talk about in terms of profit and loss models, if that's something

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that's necessary but i think the reality of of the neighbors being unwilling to meet or

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the neighbors being unwilling to meet or not willing to have conversation is um

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not willing to have conversation is um

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is sort of sort of far flung it's it's been our we've been clear we've been communicative we as

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a community have been meeting for months in preparation for this conversation and a long

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form conversation and the reality is that the developer and and miss pritzker haven't been able

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to um to come to this table with any real significant adjustments to their plan um as

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someone who's interested in buying a home on this block as someone who's interested in investing in

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long form in southwest philadelphia um nothing that's being offered um in the proposal for the

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lot of 1226 is something that i could afford is something that i would be interested in

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um i want to raise my kids and send them to comedies and i'm uh really disturbed with all

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due respect if you can summarize that would be helpful oh that's all i wanted to say thank you

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very much thank you anyone else something new and different please

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new and different

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we have Tony

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Tony you can unmute yourself

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am I unmuted now

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yes please spell your full name

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anyway

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I don't want to be long

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my name is Tony

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wait one second

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I live at 1210

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Tony

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Tony, Tony, Tony, please spell your full name so I can swear you in.

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Hello?

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I think it was removed.

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Can you hear me, sir?

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I had to unmute myself again.

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Yeah, but you didn't listen to me.

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Oh, okay, hold on a second.

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Yeah, can you hear me?

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You need to spell your full name.

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Unmute yourself, please.

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Okay. Here we go. I'm back. Spell your full name.

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Everything, everything is turned up. There should be something. Oh, here, here, here.

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Yeah, I'm here. I'm back.

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Now that you're back again, would you please spell your full name?

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Okay. Tony, T-O-N-Y. Middle name, fax as in D as in dog, P as in pot, H as in Harry,

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a as in alpha x as in x-ray last name king as in martin luther king you swear for him to tell

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the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes please proceed yes i'm excited to be

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here um i want to be short as possible because i know you guys got to go but uh listen i i live at

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1210 my address is 1210 south 50th street and i save homes in this area because i was born and

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raised in this area i'm all southwest philly comedy's all the schools in southwest philly

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freshman center so i'm not someone who recently moved into the community and one of the things

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that i know when i that i know when i was growing up is that there's always been a single family

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um uh uh neighborhood but i want to quickly uh mention a point that that any any three-story

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structure here would definitely definitely change the character of this block if not the whole

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neighborhood and all of these houses are have been single family for as long as i can remember

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and they all have the original let's talk about architecture they all have the architecture does

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does not play into this i know sir let me yeah go ahead i must have said it a half a dozen times if

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not more anybody who person purchases that property if they want to build a single family

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home they they can build up to 38 feet so they could put a three-story structure

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by way on that lot okay okay um well tell us something we haven't already heard

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okay well uh i'm going to show you something that you haven't seen

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hello hello we're gonna move on uh i know somebody in council accused me of cutting people off but

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that's okay next witness please you have a robert with his hand raised i have a excuse me chair this

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is tanya just for fyi we have seven individuals with their hands up so we can proceed as you

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wish but just a note thank you something new and different dude he's a prick we're gonna try it

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you're echoing do you have two devices on

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hello yes sir please spell your full name

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hello yes sir please spell your full name uh full name robert fields r-o-b-e-r-t last name

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