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Committee Hearing, May 24, 2011

Philadelphia City Council Committee HearingsMay 24, 2011

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COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA2 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE3 Room 400, City Hall6 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Tuesday, May 24, 20117 10:25 a.m. PRESENT: COUNCIL PRESIDENT ANNA C. VERNA10 COUNCILWOMAN JANNIE BLACKWELL COUNCILMAN DARRELL CLARKE11 COUNCILMAN W. WILSON GOODE, JR. COUNCILMAN BILL GREEN12 COUNCILMAN WILLIAM K. GREENLEE COUNCILMAN CURTIS JONES, JR.13 COUNCILMAN JAMES KENNEY COUNCILWOMAN DONNA REED MILLER14 COUNCILMAN BRIAN J. O'NEILL COUNCILWOMAN MARIA D. QUINONES-SANCHEZ15 COUNCILWOMAN BLONDELL REYNOLDS BROWN COUNCILWOMAN MARIAN B. TASCO16 BILLS 110135, 110136, 110137, 110138, 110139 and 11014018 RESOLUTION 110161 - - -20 2

Councilwoman Blackwell

Good2 morning. Let me thank everyone for3 coming here today. We're grateful to4 have the Superintendent/CEO of the5 Philadelphia school system, members of6 her Board that we will ask -- who are in7 her office -- we will ask her to8 introduce. We welcome them all. We9 welcome the PFT and all their members,10 and certainly all who are here, including11 the students, who have been holding up12 signs in the balcony. We're grateful to13 have them here.14 (Applause.)15

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank16 you very much. So this will formally17 begin our hearings for the School18 District of Philadelphia on their budget,19 and we will ask the Clerk to read both20 bills, the title of both.21 MR. McPHERSON: This is a22 continuation hearing on bills and23 resolution, Resolution 110161, the City's24 Five Year Plan; Bill No. 110135, the25 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Capital Program, 2012 through 2017; Bill2 No. 110136, the Capital Budget for 2012;3 Bill No. 110137, the Operating Budget for4 2012; Bill No. 110138, the wage tax bill,5 and we're going to take testimony today6 on Bill Nos. 110139, an ordinance7 amending Chapter 19-1800 of The8 Philadelphia Code, entitled "School Tax9 Authorization," by amending Section10 19-1806, entitled "Authorization of11 Realty Use and Occupancy Tax."12 Bill No. 110140, an ordinance13 amending Section 19-1801 of The14 Philadelphia Code, entitled15 "Authorization of Tax," to further16 authorize the Board of Education of the17 School District of Philadelphia to impose18 a tax on real estate within the City of19 Philadelphia.20

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank21 you very much.22 We note that we have a quorum23 this morning, and we will now call on our24 guests, Dr. Ackerman, to introduce25 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 yourself to the record and begin your2 testimony.3

Dr. Ackerman

Thank you,4 Chairwoman. Before I --5

Councilwoman Blackwell

Please6 pull the mike closer. We can't hear you.7

Dr. Ackerman

I'm sorry.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank9 you.10

Dr. Ackerman

I'd like to11 introduce two of our Commissioners who12 are here, and Chairman Archie will start13 with remarks today, but sitting next to14 him is Commissioner Joseph Dworetzky.15 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:16 Welcome.17

Dr. Ackerman

Chairman Archie.18

Mr. Archie

Good morning,19 Council President Verna and members of20 City Council. As the Superintendent21 said, I am Robert Archie, Chairman of the22 School Reform Commission, and I, along23 with my fellow Commissioner Joe24 Dworetzky, are here today to show our25 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 support and to have me testify on behalf2 of the School District of Philadelphia in3 support of Bill Nos. 110139, 110140 and4 110178 and I believe 110179.5 As we all know and as the6 School District of Philadelphia7 approaches Fiscal Year 2011 through 2012,8 it faces dramatic proposed reductions in9 funding, as well as a legal obligation to10 adopt a budget, a balanced budget, of the11 coming year. Mindful of those12 challenges, the District leadership has13 conducted this year a budget -- this14 year's budget preparation process with15 considerable thought and due diligence.16 It's now time for City Council to review17 and react to the budget plan proposed by18 the School District's management team in19 order to gain a better understanding of20 the School District's current fiscal21 challenges and how Philadelphia education22 programs and priorities are likely to be23 affected.24 To avoid adversely impacting25 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 and eliminating these educational2 programs and priorities, the School3 Reform Commission respectfully requests4 financial assistance in the form of5 increased revenues from the City of6 Philadelphia and this City Council. With7 that as a background, it is incumbent8 upon all of us to ensure the equitable9 allocation of resources, along with10 access to an equal opportunity education11 for all students.12 District managers and staff13 have worked hard to preserve the core14 mission of our public education system15 while building a balanced FY 2011 to 201216 budget for your review. I anticipate a17 lively and informed discussion about the18 proposed budget and its alignment with19 our community academic needs and20 priorities.21 Before I introduce Dr. Ackerman22 and Deputy Superintendent Dr. Leroy23 Nunery and our Chief Business Officer24 Michael Masch, I want to take this moment25 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 to thank Mayor Nutter and every member of2 City Council for the leadership and3 ongoing support you have provided the4 School District during my two years on5 the School Reform Commission. I, as well6 as my fellow Commissioners, deeply7 appreciate all that you've done,8 especially in light of the unforeseen9 economic challenges we have all endured10 and the uncertain future that lies ahead.11 Now I invite Dr. Arlene12 Ackerman, Superintendent of the School13 District of Philadelphia, to review how14 collectively we plan to continue in the15 intense pace we have set for achieving16 the ambitious goals of Imagine 2014 and17 the great strides our students have made18 over the last eight years. Following Dr.19 Ackerman's testimony, Deputy20 Superintendent Dr. Leroy Nunery and our21 Chief Business Officer Michael Masch will22 outline the School District proposed FY1123 to '12 budget and how we pledge to be24 careful stewards of the financial25 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 resources that the City, the Commonwealth2 and the Obama Administration have and3 hopefully will bestow upon us. Thank4 you.5 Dr. Ackerman.6

Dr. Ackerman

14 Let me begin by thanking you,15 Madam Chairperson and members of the City16 Council. 1 percentage of the District's schools that2 met AYP standards rose from 9 percent to3 59 percent. 6 For example, in August 2010, we7 proudly reported the following data: 1588 schools made AYP, and that's 59 percent9 of the District's schools, 33 percent10 more schools than last year's total of11 119. 13 The severe budgetary reductions14 anticipated for the next school year,15 however, now characterize our latest and16 greatest challenge thus far. Our purpose17 and priorities are clear. We remain18 committed to building a system of great19 schools where all students can succeed,20 where all have equal access to21 opportunities that matter and people who22 care. 7 In a few minutes, Dr. Nunery,8 our Deputy Superintendent, and Michael9 Masch, our Chief Financial Officer, will10 present the details of our Fiscal Year11 2011-12 budget. 1 these proposed cuts for months now. We2 as District leaders are painfully aware3 that many of the spending cuts in next4 year's budget will cause great pain and5 disruption to thousands of Philadelphia6 families and will threaten the hard-won7 improvements in academic achievement that8 I mentioned earlier. 17 A friend once told me of a18 custom in some African villages where the19 elders would visit to determine how well20 things were going in the respective21 communities. 1 that when children fail, it is a systems2 failure. 6 The truth is, ladies and7 gentlemen, we all acknowledge that the8 proposed cuts will hurt our children. 7 Please know, however, that we welcome the8 support of the City Council and the9 Mayor. )15

Dr. Ackerman

At this time,16 Deputy Superintendent Dr. Leroy Nunery17 and Chief Financial Officer Michael Masch18 will present the details of our Fiscal19 Year 2011-2012 budget.20

Dr. Nunery

Good morning. For21 the record, my name is Leroy Nunery and I22 am honored to be working with Dr. 1 School District of Philadelphia since2 July 2010. As a key member of the Office3 of the Superintendent, working closely4 with Dr. Ackerman, my responsibilities5 are broad and they encompass the6 leadership and management of several7 District functions, including Facilities;8 Capital Programs; Procurement; Talent9 Development; Information Technology;10 Charter, New and Partnership Schools;11 Grants Development and Compliance; and a12 wide range of other mission-critical13 District-wide initiatives and activities14 such as the Facilities Master Plan. 19 As Dr. Ackerman just outlined,20 Philadelphia's public and charter schools21 have made significant and steady progress22 for eight straight years, especially23 since we've implemented our five-year24 strategic plan, Imagine 2014. 1 the face of unprecedented fiscal2 challenges, I hope that the members of3 the City Council and the public will4 recognize the enormous dedication and5 effort of District personnel as we strive6 to continually lift achievement,7 transform schools that underperform and8 create new opportunities for educational9 attainment. 11 For several months now and12 especially since early March, when13 Governor Corbett's budget proposal became14 public, our entire senior management team15 at Dr. Ackerman's instruction has16 developed multiple options and scenarios17 that balance three main priorities. One,18 protecting our core educational mission;19 two, terminating, eliminating or20 modifying the services that support the21 educational mission; and, three,22 achieving a mandated balanced budget. to achieve these goals. As our Chief Financial Officer5 Michael Masch will tell you in a few6 moments, the $629 million projected7 budget gap presents Philadelphia with8 dynamic complications and trade-offs. 14 Our three-phased planning15 approach was initiated in January 2011,16 at which time our executive leadership17 acted to ensure the District's fiscal18 stability for the remainder of this19 current academic year. 1 immediate reductions in Central Office2 spending; three, implementing a hiring3 freeze; four, restricting the spending of4 unobligated funds; five, applying surplus5 funds to the net operating budget; and,6 six, consolidating and reducing Central7 Office departments, programs and8 services. 10 But because of the severity of11 our funding shortfall, the second phase12 of planning for Fiscal Year 2011-1213 included planning for extending controls14 on spending; freezing hiring and closely15 examining the intent and the purpose of16 each initiative; initiating reductions in17 force, including a 50 percent reduction18 in staffing at the Central Office;19 reducing central allocations and20 operational supports, for example,21 facilities services for schools; and22 reducing costs through efficiency23 improvements and elimination of24 redundancies. 1 our cost-saving solutions is the recently2 developed textbook inventory that3 complements our normal purchases through4 publishers. Within just three weeks, we5 have saved over $350,000 by supplying6 schools from this inventory. 8 So our efforts to find efficiencies can9 translate into real savings and10 potentially real people. 3 In this current political and4 economic climate, we're deeply concerned5 about the potential disproportionate6 impact that necessary budget cuts will7 have on our children and the state of our8 city and our schools. 14 We also think that all15 financial and all non-financial issues16 pertaining to student success and school17 improvement belong to all of us. )4

Mr. Masch

Good morning, Madam5 President, Councilwoman Blackwell and the6 other members of City Council. I'm7 honored to be here again with my8 colleagues. 16 As Dr. Ackerman and Dr. Nunery17 and Chairman Archie have noted, we face18 unprecedented reductions in state and19 federal aid at present. 3 Despite those challenges, we4 have done what the Philadelphia Home Rule5 Charter and the Pennsylvania School Code6 require. We have presented a balanced7 budget. 19 The first, as you can see on20 the screen, is our projected enrollment21 for next year. 1 over 200,000. We project 203,000 next2 year at this point. The critical3 difference, as you can see from the mix4 of blue and red in the columns, is the5 fact that the way that we deliver public6 education is changing dramatically, and7 next year under the budget that we have8 proposed, our projection is that one out9 of four public school students in the10 City of Philadelphia will attend a11 charter school and three out of four will12 attend a District-operated school, a13 little over 150,000 in District-operated14 schools and about 51,000 in charter15 schools. 23 Dr. Ackerman has noted our24 academic progress. 1 the record that although there are some2 who have, in the public debates about3 school funding in Pennsylvania, in recent4 months suggested that there is no5 relationship between funding and6 achievement, as the Superintendent has7 noted, achievement in this School8 District has increased substantially. 6 Our point to you is,7 Philadelphia public schools have gotten8 better, and Philadelphia operates in fact9 the largest number of successful public10 schools in the Commonwealth. )18

Mr. Masch

But this is our19 problem. We always face challenges in20 terms of spending growth and we have been21 able to manage them. 1 stability. We have had not just balanced2 budgets but modest surpluses in the past3 three years. Our problem next year is4 not a spending problem. 7 billion, and that13 represents a $400 million, 15 percent,14 reduction in the resources that the15 School District will have to spend next16 year. 1 under 30 percent of the School District's2 resources. 11 What that means is that the12 resources that would be available to the13 School District next year, unless there14 is a change, will be back at the level of15 2008-2009. 17 Everything that we do - the cost of18 labor; the cost of materials, supplies19 and equipment; fuel for our buses; the20 lighting and heating of our schools; the21 payments that we make to charter22 schools - all of those costs have gone up23 since then. 7 There was about 4 to 5 percent in local8 funding, primarily through the School9 District share of the property tax. 6912 mills in the property tax from the City13 to the School District. So that's why --14 that's part of the reason you see the15 bump up in '07-'08. 2 This is compounded by Governor3 Corbett's proposal to reduce state4 funding by $292 million. A hundred and5 seven million of that would be in the6 Basic Education subsidy, 110 million in7 charter school reimbursement. 15 Fifty-five million in funding16 from the Accountability Block Grant is17 completely eliminated. 10 What is striking about this11 proposal on the part of the Governor is12 that it is such a dramatic break from13 anything that we've seen in the recent14 history of funding by the Commonwealth15 for the Philadelphia public schools. 20 The Governor is proposing a 10 percent21 reduction. 1 billion in cuts the3 Philadelphia School District, which4 educates 10 percent of the Commonwealth's5 school children, is being asked to bear6 25 percent of the cuts in state funding,7 and that is part of a pattern, as you can8 see here. 21 This is compounded by the loss22 of federal stimulus funds coming directly23 to the School District. 1 repeatedly since we released this budget,2 if this was the only problem the School3 District faced, we knew about it, we were4 prepared for it, we had a plan to handle5 it. 8 So as we've noted, taking into9 account the reductions in federal10 funding, the reductions in state11 funding -- and I should note that while12 we're focusing on next year, the state13 has proposed a reduction of $71 million14 in state funding for the School District15 this year, which compounds the problem,16 because we've had to accommodate that,17 and while we'll still have a balanced18 budget, that means that our base going19 into next year is lower. And when you20 add that to the increases in our mandated21 costs, our projection is that we have a22 budget gap of 629 million. And so we23 have proposed a $629 million gap-closing24 plan. 1 it can, to close the gap between revenue2 and spending without touching school3 budgets. And as Dr. Ackerman and4 Dr. Nunery have noted, the first thing5 that we have done is to reduce the6 central administration of the District by7 half, but unfortunately, the central8 administration of the School District9 only comprises four percent of the School10 District budget. 1 charter schools, we are seeking charter2 school budget relief, and we have3 targeted that at 57 million. We have4 asked our collective bargaining units to5 discuss with us ways of reducing our6 labor costs next year so that we could7 achieve another 75 million in gap8 closing. But when all of those9 initiatives are taken into account, we10 still are left with about half of the gap11 to be closed. 1 two-thirds of the operating budget which2 we cannot cut, either because of federal3 laws, state laws or contractual4 requirements.

Mr. Masch

That includes our debt5 service obligations, which are a quarter6 million dollars; our payments to charter7 schools, which this year are over 4008 million, will be higher next year;9 maximum class sizes that we have agreed10 to. And these are not our actual class11 sizes, but this is what we need to put12 into the budget just to maintain the13 contractual maximums of 30 students to a14 teacher in grades K to and 33 students15 to a class in grades to 12. 18 One principal per school costs19 us $46 million. One building engineer20 per school costs us $21 million. Our21 special ed costs cost us over $24022 million. 3 So what this budget does is, it4 reduces central administrative5 expenditures 50 percent in our central6 offices. When you add in some things7 like temporary borrowing, the net8 decrease is 44 percent. The reduction in9 District-operated schools is about 1110 percent. And then there is a proposed11 increase in this budget of 15 percent for12 charter schools. That is a combination13 of several factors. 23 We have given you the details24 on the spending changes. 9 percent in our operating4 funds. 8 As we have noted, the largest9 share of cuts has to occur in school10 budgets, and these are primarily cuts in11 people, because we are a labor-intensive12 organization. So if this budget is13 implemented as it has been introduced,14 the School District workforce will15 decline by 3,800 positions. 1 leadership team, every cut was agonized2 over for hours in terms of what we could3 bear. 8 It does provide for full Title I9 allocations of over a hundred million10 dollars to the schools. It does11 preserve, with some increase, the reduced12 class size initiative in the School13 District's Imagine 2014 strategic plan,14 but raises the average class size in15 grades K to 3 by about three students per16 class. It does preserve the expanded17 summer school program. 4 As the Superintendent has said,5 we all are painfully aware that these6 cuts will cause great pain and disruption7 to Philadelphia families and threaten the8 hard-won improvements in academic9 achievement that have been attained over10 the past eight years. And, therefore,11 mindful of the budget pressures that you12 face, we are respectfully seeking13 additional funding in the 2011-12 year14 both from local and state sources in15 order to preserve and advance academic16 progress in all of Philadelphia's public17 schools, both District-operated schools18 and charter schools. We recognize that19 the specifics as to methods and amounts20 of additional local funding must be21 decided by the elected officials who22 guide the City. 15 We pledge to invest the funds16 that you entrust to us wisely and17 diligently, to continue to improve upon18 the results that our District and our19 City have achieved together. )23

Councilwoman Blackwell

Will24 you testify as well?25 44 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Mr. Dworetzky

No. I'm just2 filling Mr. Archie's chair.3

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank4 you.5 We will now begin some6 questions from our colleagues in Council.7 Councilman Bill Greenlee.8

Councilman Greenlee

Thank9 you, Madam Chair and Madam President.10 Good morning, everyone. I just11 want to try to get some actual numbers in12 some of these cuts just so it's put in13 perspective, I guess. I think the two14 issues that have been raised the most are15 going to the half-day kindergarten and16 also the transportation issues. And it17 might be in here somewhere, so I18 apologize, but how many children will be19 affected, or approximately if you don't20 have an exact number, by going to the21 half-day kindergarten? Does anybody have22 that offhand? I'm just trying to get23 some real numbers here that we're talking24 about, or real children I guess is a25 45 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 better way to say it.2

Dr. Ackerman

Thirteen3 thousand.4

Councilman Greenlee

Thirteen5 thousand children by the half-day6 kindergarten?7

Dr. Ackerman

Yes.8

Councilman Greenlee

And along9 the same lines, on the transportation --10 and I know the transportation issue also11 affects private and parochial school12 students, correct?13

Dr. Ackerman

Yes.14

Councilman Greenlee

Do we,15 again, have numbers on that, how many16 we're talking about here?17

Mr. Masch

Yes. In regular18 education students in District-operated19 schools, we serve about 44,000 students,20 about 34,000 with TransPasses and about21 10,000 through a combination of primarily22 yellow buses and a very limited amount of23 cab service. Non-public school students24 who receive transportation services from25 46 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the School District are over 20,000,2 about over 11,000 with TransPasses and3 about 9,000 with bus service.4

Councilman Greenlee

Okay.5 Thank you. That certainly puts it in6 perspective on how many children we're7 dealing with here.8 On the state cut issue, I9 thought the biggest or the most -- had10 the most impact of all the slides11 Mr. Masch showed was the disparity12 between some of the schools. I mean,13 which is really striking. I know the14 state is operating time-wise a little15 behind us, but has there been any16 conversations with some of those other17 school districts that have been18 significantly impacted? I know they're a19 lot smaller than ours. And also with the20 elected officials that represent those21 areas? Anything to report on that yet?22

Dr. Nunery

Yes, Councilman.23 We've been meeting with the Pennsylvania24 League of Urban Schools, which comprises25 47 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 superintendents from across the state.2 They all have the same exact concerns,3 that by proportion they are affected.4 Towns like Allentown, Easton and others,5 Lebanon School District, are all affected6 in very similar ways.7 We have a double whammy here8 because of the way charter schools are9 funded. So we have it in both ways, not10 just directly for the District but also11 what will happen for charter school12 funding next year, because as our13 revenues go down, they will also be14 affected. So we are still a unique case.15

Councilman Greenlee

But I16 would guess just in cuts, I mean, it17 would seem like there are strength in18 numbers if people work together as much19 as possible. And I know you know that.20 I guess I'm just kind of stating that,21 that sometimes it's just shown as a22 Philadelphia problem, but it's a23 statewide problem as far as children in24 disparate numbers are getting hurt here.25 48 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Nothing against the kids in Upper Merion2 or anything, but it seems like we need a3 little balance here. I know that's a4 political problem, too.5

Dr. Nunery

Councilman, we've6 actually been meeting with this plus7 group that I just mentioned and also8 recently met with all the regional9 intermediate units from around us, again,10 all on the same theme, that we should11 jointly advocate for the restoration of12 funding, that we should also look at13 shared services where it's possible to14 save money, and there are some unique15 opportunities there. But right now we16 all also need to have a single voice on17 what happens to school kids and how the18 funding is allocated. So we're on the19 same page as you are.20

Councilman Greenlee

And how21 about the last question on this round,22 the state officials, the elected23 officials of these areas, have they been24 involved at all yet? I'm talking about25 49 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 state reps, state senators.2

Dr. Nunery

We've been talking3 to everybody, both on the House and4 Senate side. We've been to Harrisburg5 several times. We've been working also6 with the Mayor's Office through the7 Mayor's advocacy and lobbying efforts,8 again, to try to put voice to the9 concerns we have.10

Councilman Greenlee

Thank11 you.12 I had some other questions, but13 I know probably everybody does, so I'll14 hold.15

Council President Verna

Can I16 just ask how much would be needed for17 full kindergarten, how much for18 transportation, so that we don't go back19 and forth on this.20

Councilman Greenlee

So get21 that on record.22

Mr. Masch

Madam President,23 Councilman, the cost of full-day24 kindergarten was a little over 5125 50 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 million. To go from the half-day2 program, as is budgeted now, back to full3 day we would require $25 million in4 additional funding.5 In order to restore the6 transportation cuts in total, we would7 require about 36.5 million to restore the8 bus service for grades 1 to 6 and we9 would require another 23.4 million in10 order to restore the TransPass program.11

Council President Verna

I'm12 sorry. To restore?13

Mr. Masch

The TransPass14 program for grades 7 to 12.15

Councilman Greenlee

Could I16 just follow up on that just one piece.17 Has there been conversations with SEPTA18 on the TransPass issue?19

Mr. Masch

There have been20 conversations. Ever since we used to --21 for those of you who go back long enough22 to remember the discounted school tokens23 that were the predecessor of the free24 TransPasses, it has always been the case25 51 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 that the cost of student transportation2 on SEPTA has been borne by the School3 District and not by the Transportation4 Authority. The Transportation Authority5 does provide us with three and a half6 million dollars to cover administration7 of the TransPass program, but otherwise8 all of the costs are borne by the School9 District. Now, it's a special TransPass.10 It's not -- it's only available during11 school hours and not on weekends and, as12 a result, it has a lower price than the13 regular TransPass, but we are the ones14 who pay that price. We don't get a15 discount on it.16

Councilman Greenlee

And has17 SEPTA been open to anything on that, any18 discussion on that, just for the record?19

Mr. Masch

We've been20 discussing with SEPTA whether there are21 ways that they could be helpful to us,22 but that has mostly been a matter of23 changing the timing in terms of when we24 make payments as opposed to reducing the25 52 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 actual cost of the TransPasses that they2 provide us.3

Councilman Greenlee

Thank4 you.5 Again, I had other questions,6 but I know a lot of people do, so I'll7 yield for the moment. Thank you.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank9 you very much. Next is Councilman Goode.10

Councilman Goode

Thank you,11 Madam Chair.12 Good morning. Let me preface13 my comments by saying four years ago I14 was the primary sponsor of the bill that15 gave more money to the School District16 and changed the split to a 60/40. Let me17 then say that I am prepared to vote for18 additional funds this year. And let me19 start with the first question, which is20 simply how much money do you want?21 (Applause.)22

Mr. Masch

Well, Councilman,23 that is a tough -- as you know, we have24 identified, I mean, just to be realistic25 53 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 enough, we have identified the most2 troubling of the educational cuts in this3 budget --4

Councilman Goode

I have it5 right here, Mr. Masch. The question is,6 how much money are you asking for?7

Mr. Masch

All right.8 (Applause.)9

Mr. Masch

Councilman, as10 we've noted, just to restore full-day11 kindergarten would require 25 million.12 To avoid the transportation cuts would13 require 50 million.14

Councilman Goode

I have the15 list, Mr. Masch. I'll ask the question16 one more time. Are you going to make a17 direct request or not?18

Mr. Masch

As you know, the19 priority list of cuts that we've20 identified --21

Councilman Goode

Are you22 going to make a direct request or not?23 If you're not going to make a direct24 request, just say I'm not going to make a25 54 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 direct request.2

Mr. Masch

The priority list3 that we've identified is of $180 million4 of cuts. We would certainly welcome the5 Council's support to provide us at least6 50 to 75 percent of that, if it is7 possible for you and the Mayor to put8 together the votes to do that.9

Councilman Goode

Let's go10 back to four years ago. The District did11 not make a request. I offered a bill on12 my own that shifted the money, and I13 thank my colleagues for support of that.14 One of the requirements of the bill was15 that before it become effective, that the16 School Reform Commission had to outline17 how the money was going to be spent in18 these areas: early childhood education,19 class size, after-school programs,20 dropout prevention and school safety.21 Can you tell me how the money we gave you22 four years ago has been spent?23

Mr. Masch

Well, Councilman,24 the total additional funding that was25 55 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 produced by the millage was about $18.72 million. As you know, during that period3 of time, the School District would have4 faced a deficit of over $141 million and5 that would have required reductions in6 early childhood programs, a possible7 reduction in full-day kindergarten at8 that point. None of those cuts took9 place. There were no cuts that took10 place in school safety programs at that11 point, and in fact that year, the School12 Reform Commission mandated that every13 school add art and music to school14 budgets, and as we've noted, we added15 about $7, $8 million to the school16 budgets in order to do that.17 When we were facing -- and, of18 course, as you know, this was not the19 team that was in place at that time, but20 since that time, we have done far more21 than maintain those levels. In the past22 three years since Dr. Ackerman has come23 here and with this School Reform24 Commission, we have reduced class sizes25 56 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 in grades kindergarten to 4 substantially2 down to a level of about 20 to 24 per3 class and reduced class sizes in grades4 6, 8 and 9. That was far more than was5 even on the table back in the '07-'086 period.7 There have been expansions in8 early childhood programs during that9 period of time, and all of the programs10 that you have enumerated have been11 maintained during that period of time.12

Councilman Goode

And that13 period of time still exists; does it not?14

Mr. Masch

That's correct.15

Councilman Goode

So our money16 is still paying for that?17

Mr. Masch

Well, as you can18 see, $18.7 million only pays for a19 fraction of it. It couldn't pay for all20 the things that were on -- it couldn't21 pay for maintaining services in all the22 areas that you enumerated, but it23 certainly made a contribution.24

Councilman Goode

So what is25 57 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 our money paying for now?2

Councilman Goode

Let me put4 it in context for you. I take some5 exception to the fact that you say that6 taxes have been flat for the last --7 since 2007-2008, without really8 acknowledging that there was a boost the9 year before, and there was about a $6010 million boost the year before; is that11 correct?12

Mr. Masch

There was, but the13 balance of that --14

Councilman Goode

There was a15 $60 million boost the year before?16

Mr. Masch

Right, but only --17

Councilman Goode

Excuse me.18

Mr. Masch

But only 19 million19 of that came from the millage shift.20

Councilman Goode

I understand21 that. We gave a grant beyond that. I22 understand that. In terms of local tax23 and grant funds, there was a $60 million24 boost the year before. So there was $6025 58 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 million each year after, and there's2 still $60 million next year. What does3 that pay for?4

Mr. Masch

Councilman, these5 funds go into the unrestricted funds --6

Councilman Goode

They go into7 the pot; is that what you're saying?8

Mr. Masch

They go into9 the unrestricted funds --10

Councilman Goode

You're11 saying they just go into the pot?12

Mr. Masch

Yes. They're13 unrestricted funds.14

Councilman Goode

We're not15 going to do business that way this year.16 Thank you, Madam Chair.17 (Applause.)18 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:19 Councilwoman Reynolds Brown.20

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you,21 Madam Chair.22 Good morning, School District23 of Philadelphia. I want to go on record24 to say that I will join other25 59 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Councilmembers in looking at how we2 figure out how we hold on to full-day3 kindergarten. And when you consider the4 downside of moving to half-day5 kindergarten, is it fair to say that6 cutting our kindergarten to half day7 leads to more costs down the road? Could8 you comment on that, please?9

Dr. Ackerman

Absolutely. We10 know that the benefits and the research11 is clear now on the importance of not12 only full-day kindergarten but quality13 preschool programs, and we know that14 young people who leave the third grade15 without strong reading skills -- and that16 begins in preschool and definitely the17 all-day kindergarten -- levels the18 playing field for young people who didn't19 get quality care. We know that down the20 line, that they will pay for the lack of21 those kinds of quality programs and22 services, instructional services, to23 these young people through the academic24 achievement gains that they can make and25 60 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 whether or not they can keep pace with2 other young people who have had those3 through economic -- the fact that they4 have the economic wherewithal, their5 parents and families, to provide them6 with great quality, great school7 experiences, as well as an all day8 experience at kindergarten. So we know9 that academically they are going to10 suffer.11 COUNCILWOMAN BROWN:12 Consistently over the past many years13 there's been continuing interest and a14 favorable response from the School15 District around arts and culture16 programming. Can you speak to a17 relationship, if any, with University of18 the Arts, Temple University School of the19 Arts and other higher ed institutions20 that could have an important role in21 filling in any gaps in those areas?22

Dr. Ackerman

Well, we believe23 that we could certainly do more in that24 area in tapping the resources that -- we25 61 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 have 95, I believe, colleges and2 universities in and surrounding the3 Philadelphia area, and we could do more.4 Certainly in specific schools, many of5 the universities and colleges have6 partnerships. We believe that we need to7 be more targeted in the ask as it relates8 to the arts and music in particular. We9 have not because we've been, in the last10 few years, spending the resources in11 restoring those programs through art and12 music teachers back in all of our school13 programs, especially our elementary14 programs where three years ago many of15 our elementary schools had neither art16 nor music. Now at least they have art or17 music, and in many of the elementary18 schools now, they have art and music.19

Councilwoman Brown

So that's20 universal across the system, each one of21 the elementary schools has some form of22 art and music?23

Dr. Ackerman

And we have been24 able to maintain that. Even in these25 62 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 cuts, they will have art or music. Maybe2 not as much of it as they've had in the3 past year.4

Councilwoman Brown

I don't5 see it here in my questions yet, but just6 give us an update on the pervasive7 interest and concern around school8 violence and the like. You did speak to9 that briefly in the testimony.10

Dr. Ackerman

We did. Over11 the last three years, we've seen a 2912 percent decrease in violence. We have13 increased our programs, mainly our peer14 mediation programs in our schools. We've15 put in place restorative justice16 practices in our schools. We have17 focused on 46 of our persistently18 dangerous schools with specific programs.19 And I don't know if Dr. Nunery wants to20 talk about that since that's specifically21 under his purview, but we have, again, we22 believe targeted our resources around the23 most dangerous schools.24 We've increased camera25 63 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 surveillance. I know there's some2 question about that, but in an audit that3 was done by the state, it was one of the4 things that we were told that we should5 do, given the size of some of our6 buildings and the fact that there are7 lots of places that things can happen8 where there aren't adults available.9 So by focusing on a combination10 of facility kinds of improvements as well11 as programs directly related to students12 and professional development for staff13 and principals, I think it's been a14 combination of that.15 Our Focus 46 schools in16 particular, we have a collaborative with17 the Philadelphia Police Department on18 those schools, and it is not only what19 happens in schools but what happens in20 those neighborhoods surrounding the21 schools as young people go to and from22 school.23

Councilwoman Brown

So the24 peer mediation, that happens after a25 64 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 school has been identified to be --2 what's the adage to be used?3

Dr. Ackerman

Persistently4 dangerous?5 COUNCILWOMAN BROWN:6 Persistently dangerous.7

Dr. Ackerman

No. Actually,8 we're trying to put in all of our schools9 a form of peer mediation for all of10 our especially middle and high schools.11 That's our goal. And we've been rolling12 it in over the last couple of years.13

Councilwoman Brown

Because it14 is the argument that being proactive and15 teaching conflict resolution skills on16 the front end just because you move into17 middle school has its value before it18 leads to potential problems.19

Dr. Ackerman

Right. And20 that's exactly what we're trying to do.21 (Applause.)22

Councilwoman Brown

Define23 what "restorative justice" means, what24 that looks like.25 65 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Ackerman

Let's see.2

Councilwoman Brown

Is that a3 strategy?4

Dr. Ackerman

It's a strategy5 for helping young people who commit acts6 of violence understand the consequences7 not only to themselves in terms of8 disciplinary -- what happens to them if9 they do it but the consequences on the10 victims and what it means to the people11 that they may do harm to. So it's12 getting them to look at this in terms of13 their own behavior but what their14 behavior, the impact and the rippling15 impact of that behavior, on others.16

Councilwoman Brown

So is that17 a required curriculum type practice?18 Does that happen only after there have19 been some transgressions against20 students? When does that kick in?21

Dr. Ackerman

We've really22 focused, for the first part of this23 implementation, on young people who go24 through the suspension process in our25 66 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 disciplinary schools and for long-term2 suspensions. So that's where we focused.3 Actually, it would be great to put that4 program in all of our schools. I think5 it's really important, and it's another6 reason why -- it's one of those programs7 that I've been really very much8 supportive of, because I think that young9 people don't understand the seriousness10 of their actions as it relates -- often11 they're just worried about the impact on12 them, am I going to get suspended, for13 how long, when do I get back to my14 school, not what it does, the impact of15 bullying, for instance, on a young16 person, on their families and other17 people who may come in contact as18 victims.19

Councilwoman Brown

My last20 question on this particular topic and21 then we'll rotate, what does that look22 like in terms of personnel costs?23 Because typically programs that have24 value, we need them. It equals25 67 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 ultimately a bottom-line cost. So if one2 had to look at a number, what is that3 number?4

Dr. Ackerman

I know right now5 we only have one person District-wide who6 is providing the professional development7 and the support of these families. We8 have not been able to expand it. But9 certainly it would be great if we could10 get more personnel involved, because11 ideally to do this would be to build a12 capacity in all of the schools through13 professional development, through the14 police officers who are there, school15 police officers, and counselors, who16 could be on the ground where the young17 people are committing the acts of18 violence.19

Councilwoman Brown

Sure.20 Okay. Well, thank you for your21 testimony.22 (Applause.)23

Councilwoman Brown

We'll24 rotate.25 68 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Council President Verna

If I2 could just piggyback on one of your3 questions. Can you tell us how many4 school police you have? I see in your5 budget you are eliminating 20. Is that6 so?7

Mr. Masch

Councilwoman, we8 are eliminating -- in this budget we are9 eliminating 20 budgeted but unfilled10 positions in school safety. But we are11 also eliminating, which you don't see in12 the FTE numbers, this budget would13 require us to eliminate 190 per diem14 officers, who don't count in our head15 count. These are officers usually16 retired police who come in on a part-time17 basis and augment the full-time18 complement of school safety officers in19 the School District.20

Dr. Ackerman

So did you21 understand that answer?22

Council President Verna

No,23 not at all.24

Dr. Ackerman

So I think the25 69 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 bottom line what we did, we have per diem2 officers who are sort of like substitute3 teachers. That's where we made our major4 cuts.5

Council President Verna

And6 from time to time, do you have the7 Philadelphia police officers assigned to8 some of your schools or the surrounding9 areas of the schools?10

Dr. Ackerman

We work with the11 Philadelphia Police with our -- around,12 what's it called, Safe Corridors program,13 where they work with the schools and the14 neighborhoods surrounding our schools to15 and from school. So that's primarily16 where we work with the police, individual17 police officers and police precincts, but18 we do have Chief Patterson, who is on19 loan to the School District this year20 from the Philadelphia Police Department,21 and I can't say how invaluable his22 experience coming to the District has23 been, especially since he has been able24 to use some of his experience, his25 70 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 resources back and forth with the Police2 Department. So that's another way that3 we have gotten support from the City.4

Council President Verna

So if5 you don't mind, I'm going to ask my6 question again, because the answer was7 not too clear to me. How many school8 police do you have? It appears from your9 budget, you are reducing 20. So let's10 get back to the question and the answer,11 please.12

Mr. Masch

Right. The13 budgeted complement for school police in14 school buildings is 439 this year and it15 is budgeted at 419 next year, and that is16 a reduction in complement of 20. That is17 correct. But those are positions that18 are presently unfilled. So that will not19 be a reduction in the number of school20 police officers currently serving in the21 schools, but it means that we won't be22 able to fill those vacant positions.23 But in addition to that, we24 want to fully disclose that we do rely on25 71 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 these per diems, the substitutes, if you2 will, to augment that force, and that is3 where the cut in the school safety budget4 which we've identified to you, which is5 over $3 million, $3.3 million reduction.6 That reduction would come primarily in7 the per diem officers.8

Council President Verna

How9 many per diem officers do you currently10 have?11

Dr. Ackerman

Two hundred and12 fifty.13

Councilwoman Blackwell

How14 will you determine where they are and15 where they will not be?16

Dr. Ackerman

The per diem17 officers?18

Councilwoman Blackwell

Yes.19

Dr. Ackerman

I believe that20 we focused -- the schools that get21 priority are our focus -- persistently22 dangerous schools and our Focus 4623 schools. But should something happen and24 we need to shift them, that's where we25 72 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 put them. But those are the schools --2 the Focus 46 schools are the schools that3 get priority, because these are the4 schools that the data tells us over time5 are the trouble spots.6

Council President Verna

So do7 we have one police officer at least in8 every school?9 (Someone from audience10 speaking.)11

Council President Verna

Just12 come up to the witness table, please.13 (Witness approached witness14 table.)15 CHIEF PATTERSON: Good morning,16 Madam President.17

Council President Verna

Good18 morning. Please identify yourself for19 the record.20 CHIEF PATTERSON: I'm Chief21 Inspector Myron Patterson. I'm heading22 up the Office of School Safety.23 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:24 Welcome.25 73 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 CHIEF PATTERSON: Currently,2 that deployment of the officers -- going3 into this year, we had 250 schools who4 had personnel assigned, school police5 officers assigned. That was out of the6 265. Going into next year with proposed7 cuts, what we would do based on the8 incidents that are occurring, normally9 the way it looks, the elementary schools10 have a lesser or less amount of incidents11 which occur there or serious incidents,12 and based on that particular data and as13 we have been doing this year based on the14 needs, that's where we would place the15 officers.16 Deployment, we start out each17 year between the high schools, whether18 four to six officers assigned as a base,19 and based on past patterns and trends, we20 build up from there. And that's the way21 that I have been going through this year22 looking at the particular deployment23 patterns as it relates to placing24 officers in the School District.25 74 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Council President Verna

Thank2 you. Thank you very much.3

Councilwoman Blackwell

May I4 ask while you're there, we've been5 inquiring for years about probation6 officers and about probation officers7 being placed in school and expanding that8 so that children or students don't have9 to leave school in order to check in with10 probation officers. Can you tell me11 where we are, what we have and what the12 status of that is now and what it will be13 like in the future?14 CHIEF PATTERSON: Yes. Now,15 Chairwoman, currently I'm working with16 Judge Dougherty's office, being with17 Bennie Price. He's our liaison at this18 particular moment. Currently, these19 probation officers aren't in the schools20 on a daily basis currently.21

Councilwoman Blackwell

They22 are not?23 CHIEF PATTERSON: They are not,24 as far as my knowledge.25 75 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilwoman Blackwell

Not in2 any school?3 CHIEF PATTERSON: Well, they4 have assignments. We're reaching out --5 the relationship is building. In6 particular problems, if we have them at7 particular schools, things that come to8 our attention, we are directly liaisoning9 with those probation officers to10 coordinate information to bring students11 around in their particular relationships.12 But it's been an ongoing process this13 year as to where are we going in the14 future, and I do look forward to having15 that relationship on the steady basis16 where we're coordinating as we do. We do17 this daily. I don't want to mislead18 Council that we are not, but we're in19 constant contact and relations with each20 other on a daily basis as we go along.21

Dr. Ackerman

Councilwoman --22

Councilwoman Blackwell

Yes,23 because we had them before. We have had24 probation officers in some schools, and I25 76 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 thought maybe we were expanding it, but2 obviously we did just the opposite, we3 took them out.4

Dr. Ackerman

Right. They're5 not in like they were before, but I also6 have had discussions with District7 Attorney Seth Williams and he's very much8 interested in working with us to put9 probationary officers back in the10 schools. And I want to say as a11 principal some 30 years ago, we had an12 office in my school for a probation13 officer and it was very helpful, in that14 they were there, the young people didn't15 have to miss school, and we are hopeful16 that we'll be able to expand that program17 once again.18

Councilwoman Blackwell

Do you19 know why we cut them out altogether? We20 had them. I've been fighting for several21 years to expand them, but we had them,22 some at least.23

Dr. Ackerman

I'm not sure. I24 just know that Chief Patterson and I have25 77 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 both -- he's been talking with the Family2 Courts and I've been talking with the3 District Attorney about how we expand it.4 It was prior to both of us being here.5

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank6 you. Would you keep us informed?7

Dr. Ackerman

We will.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

If you9 let the President know, she'll make sure10 the information is given to each and11 every member. Okay. Thank you very12 much.13 Councilman Clarke, you're next.14

Councilman Clarke

Thank you,15 Madam Chair.16 Good morning.17

Dr. Ackerman

Good morning.18

Councilman Clarke

Just a19 couple of questions. I just wanted to20 follow up on Councilman Goode's line of21 questioning. I was going to ask the22 question, but he did a capable job of23 getting into the crest of the funding and24 increased funding in prior years. And25 78 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the question I was going to ask -- and I2 think I know the answer, but I'm going to3 ask it anyway. Members of Council and I4 know myself, we've had some levels of5 frustration, particularly since this has6 gone to -- the School District control7 has gone to the SRC and about Council's8 role, significant role, in providing9 support; i.e., financing by the school10 authorization bill, but in terms of11 actually being in the position to12 determine how the money -- where it goes,13 how it's spent, allocating dollars to14 very specific programs or departments.15 And I'm sure that when the issue is16 thrown out there, all-day kindergarten,17 it's very difficult for people to say,18 no, we're not going to support that.19 But I'll ask the question --20 and this is probably a legal question. I21 don't know. If somehow Council and the22 Mayor -- and it's not a commitment to do23 that, because we're not at that point24 yet -- decided that they wanted to ensure25 79 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 that we have full-day kindergarten, not2 necessarily dealing with the3 transportation issue or some of the other4 issues, is there a way that people can be5 assured that that's where that money is6 going to go and not go into a pot and7 ultimately be disbursed to other areas as8 needed?9

Dr. Ackerman

I am not a10 lawyer, but we can find out. I believe11 that you probably can. I know that in12 talking with the Pittsburgh13 Superintendent and I was talking about14 the Accountability Grant and the fact15 that we were going to lose full-day16 kindergarten, that was not an issue for17 them because they didn't use the18 Accountability Grant for that. They, at19 the local level, decided that that was20 something that was going to be carved out21 at the local level. So I at least know22 that Pittsburgh does not use the23 Accountability Grant for that. They're24 not dependent upon it. That was not an25 80 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 issue for Pittsburgh. So we should look2 at how they do it there, because at least3 it's being done at least one other -- the4 second largest big city.5

Councilman Clarke

Is the6 Pittsburgh structure as it relates to7 schools versus state comparable to the8 City?9

Dr. Ackerman

I think they10 don't have an SRC, but they have a School11 Board, but I think the funding is pretty12 much -- they get about the same amount.13 They get more with --14

Mr. Masch

Traditionally15 Pittsburgh has gotten a higher per16 student allocation than Philadelphia.17

Dr. Ackerman

But I know that18 in talking with them. So I don't know19 what else we could use the Accountability20 funds for, should they be restored, but I21 know that that was not an issue for22 Pittsburgh, because at the local level,23 they've made that a priority, full-day24 kindergarten.25 81 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Clarke

Let me ask2 this question: Is there a School3 District lawyer in the house?4

Dr. Ackerman

Well, let's see.5 He's here. And I want to say while he's6 coming up, we certainly are interested in7 working with you with that, because I8 don't want to be in the situation again9 either that we're depending upon a grant10 that could go away for something as11 important as full-day kindergarten. So12 please know we'll work with you here.13 (Witness approached witness14 table.)15

Mr. Davis

Councilman Clarke,16 as I understand your question, you would17 like to know --18 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:19 Identify yourself for the record. Please20 identify yourself for the record.21

Mr. Davis

I'm sorry. My name22 is Michael A. Davis, School District23 General Counsel.24 As I understand your question,25 82 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Councilman Clarke, you would like to know2 whether or not it's possible for City3 Council to earmark funding for all-day or4 full-day kindergarten?5

Councilman Clarke

Correct.6

Mr. Davis

I don't know the7 specific answer to that question as a8 legal matter whether that is a power or9 authority that you would have or that the10 School District would have, but what I11 would certainly suggest to you is by12 making your sense of what you would like13 your expectations known, certainly that14 is something the School District would15 have to take into account and be16 responsible for use of that.17

Councilman Clarke

We kind of18 do that every year.19

Councilman Goode

Point of20 information.21

Councilwoman Blackwell

Point22 of information, Councilman Goode.23

Councilman Goode

Thank you,24 Madam Chair.25 83 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 We actually required it under2 the last ordinance where we increased the3 millage rate for the School District. We4 specifically asked for the School Reform5 Commission to file a document. It was6 filed with the Chief Clerk on June 19th,7 2007. We're locked in by law to give8 that amount of money in perpetuity under9 state law. You actually testified today10 that that was that School Reform11 Commission, not this School Reform12 Commission; did you not?13

Dr. Ackerman

Who, me?14

Councilman Goode

It could15 have been Mr. Masch.16

Councilman Goode

So if we18 give you the money for a given area and19 there's a change in School Reform20 Commission, there is no guarantee that21 the money is going to be spent how we22 want; is that correct?23

Mr. Masch

No. That was24 certainly not my intent, Councilman.25 84 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Goode

That's what2 you said.3

Mr. Masch

No. I said that4 there was -- I said that the members of5 the School Reform Commission of the6 Administration are different now than7 they were then. There was no intent to8 suggest --9

Councilman Goode

So the money10 we gave you four years ago --11

Mr. Masch

-- that we12 attempted to defy a City ordinance.13

Councilman Goode

Is the money14 we gave you four years ago being spent15 the way we outlined it?16

Mr. Masch

I have to say, I am17 not aware of what those specific18 restrictions are. So we need to review19 them.20

Councilman Goode

So you don't21 know whether the money we gave you four22 years ago is being spent as outlined in23 the ordinance? That's a problem.24 Thank you, Madam Chair.25 85 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Ackerman

Well, can I say2 something here? I can say that out of3 three of the four, I know we've made a4 priority over the last three years since5 I've been here. That's early childhood,6 class sizes are down to 21 -- when I7 came, it was 26. It's now down to 20 to8 1, and after school programs we've9 expanded. Summer schools we've expanded,10 and even in safety.11

Councilman Goode

I get that.12 That's why we put the money there.13 That's how it's being spent now. The14 money has to stay there because by law,15 we can't take it back. We don't want to16 take a back. In fact, we probably want17 to give more money in some way, but the18 question is, as you even outlined the19 cuts for next year's budget, is what20 we're paying for four years ago still21 being paid for?22

Dr. Ackerman

Absolutely. In23 fact, we have gone down even below that,24 the number when we came -- when I came25 86 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 three years ago, with class sizes,2 expanding the after-school program and3 safety. We've increased the amount that4 we're putting toward there, and even with5 the cuts, those were the areas that we6 protected.7

Councilman Goode

I understand8 that, I believe it, but the question was,9 do you have to do it? And the answer is10 no, because once we put the money in,11 it's guaranteed to be there, and all12 those decisions are made by the13 Administration and the School Reform14 Commission. So if you live up to the15 spirit of the ordinance, that's fine, but16 you don't have to live up to the letter17 of the law.18 And so to answer Councilman19 Clarke's question, the truth of the20 matter is, legally we can't mandate where21 the money goes. So any $25 million we22 give you is not necessarily going to go23 toward full-day kindergarten.24 Thank you, Madam Chair.25 87 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 (Applause.)2 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:3 Councilman Clarke, you're continuing your4 questioning.5

Mr. Davis

If I might,6 Councilman Clarke, if I could respond7 further. I would like the opportunity to8 look into ways and structures that we9 could come up with working with City10 Council in order to ensure that your11 expectations are carried out. We know12 that there are grants, there are13 government grants, that come that do have14 restrictions, that do have specific15 conditions or allotments in terms of16 where they want that funding to go, and I17 think we can work that structure out.18

Councilman Clarke

When you19 say "government grants," you mean20 government grants from the federal,21 state?22

Mr. Davis

Correct. And a23 similar concept to that in terms of24 trying to work out some language that25 88 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 will give City Council what it wants in2 terms of coming back and ensuring that3 those funds were spent in the way that4 you expected.5

Councilman Clarke

Okay. I6 just want to get it on the record. But7 your commitment today is to work on8 something that might enable us to do9 that?10

Mr. Davis

That is correct.11

Councilman Clarke

Not that12 you can definitely do that?13

Mr. Davis

Because I don't14 know the specific answer to the question15 that you asked, but I'm willing to look16 and work at coming up with a structure17 that will satisfy your concern.18

Councilman Clarke

Okay. That19 kind of leads me to my next question.20 There was earlier asked for support from21 the City, be it taking over some of the22 responsibility that the School District23 currently has for funding of certain24 personnel or issues, and then I believe25 89 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 there will probably be an additional ask2 for the City of Philadelphia providing3 service, say, for instance, trash4 collection, and that's actually something5 we did when we consolidated Fairmount6 Park and Department of Recreation, and it7 made all the sense in the world. Maybe8 we want to consolidate some of the9 similar services as it relates to the10 School District, and that will obviously11 cost us a little more money. My question12 as it relates to that -- and since we now13 have the lawyer in the house up at the14 table -- do you believe that will have15 Act 46 implications, that if we come up16 with 40 million in in-kind services17 provided from the City, that we'll be18 locked into that?19

Mr. Davis

I don't believe so.20 I don't believe that would be an issue or21 a problem. Again, something that we'd22 work out through a contract, memorandum23 of understanding, which we typically do24 with other City agencies. I think that's25 90 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 a possibility.2

Councilman Clarke

Okay.3 Because I remember this issue came up4 about police I think in the last5 Administration, and at that particular6 time, it was said that, no, that would7 not have that. So can you put that on8 the list of things that you have to9 confer with whomever you're going to10 confer with?11

Mr. Davis

Absolutely.12

Councilman Clarke

And get us13 some relatively definitive language,14 because there is some concerns about us15 getting locked into an issue in a time16 when the general economy is doing rather17 poorly, but if things improve, we would18 like to have the right to pare back some19 of that contribution and maybe provide20 additional services to rec centers or21 playgrounds or actually reduce taxes,22 wage taxes, or some of the other things23 that we like to do for our citizens.24

Mr. Davis

Yes. Understood,25 91 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 and I will do that.2

Councilman Clarke

All right.3 Thank you.4 Thank you, Madam Chair.5

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank6 you very much.7 Councilman Clarke, you're fine?8

Councilman Clarke

Yes, I am.9

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank10 you very much.11 I wanted to mention before I12 call on Councilwoman Miller, we've been13 talking a lot about bullying and as that14 relates to violence and truancy. We are15 planning with Upper Darby to have another16 summit with regard to bullying, and as17 you know, we're involved with the Mayor's18 Commission on African and Caribbean19 Immigrant Affairs, and we have20 specifically Liberians who have been21 severely preyed upon, and we have a lot22 of issues with violence and bullying.23 I wanted to know -- I'll24 specifically ask about truancy and where25 92 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 we are. I know that you deal with2 Dr. Schwarz, Deputy Health Commissioner.3 I know you deal with that on that issue.4 I want to know where we are with truancy5 so we can try and keep our kids in6 school. And we also are looking forward7 to a lot of support with regard to8 bullying and violence.9 We have big issues. The10 Commission even adopted a school where we11 had big problems with violence, where an12 African child was severely injured.13 So we're doing all that we can14 with the African and Caribbean community,15 but we want to know a status report of16 where the School District is, what your17 plans are in these areas; that is,18 bullying and violence, and specifically19 where we are with regard to truancy.20 And my last question in that21 regard -- and then I'll call on22 Councilwoman Miller. I try to keep mine23 down as I'm here -- is where you are with24 regard to alternative schools when it25 93 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 comes to behavior.2 (Applause.)3 (Witnesses approached witness4 table.)5

Mr. Hanna

Good morning. My6 name is Tomas Hanna, Associate7 Superintendent for Academic Support.8 Council, thank you for having us. I have9 Erica Washington, who is Deputy for10 Attendance and Truancy as well.11 A couple months ago, you may12 recall, we were here having this13 conversation with regard to the issue of14 bullying and specifically the impact it15 has on attendance and truancy. We know16 that, not in all cases but in far too17 many cases, all young people who are18 bullied or who are the victims of19 violence tend not to come to school20 because they're afraid, and that's21 something we absolutely agree with you on22 that we've got to get better at.23 One of our strategies with24 regard to supporting schools with25 94 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 attendance and truancy is, in essence,2 taking a look at every child by name and3 having a point person at the school who4 is taking a look at the kinds of issues5 that may be impacting this young person's6 ability to make it to school. It could7 be health related. It could be a fear8 factor of coming to school because of9 issues that have happened.10 So that's one way we're doing11 it, sort of taking a look at each young12 person by name and having a point person13 at a school.14 We've been working closely and15 I'm glad you acknowledge the fact that16 we're working closely with Deputy Mayor17 Schwarz's team, specifically with18 Commissioner Anne Marie Ambrose, around19 how DHS and the District come together,20 along with Judge Dougherty at the courts21 to figure out how these three systems22 work together to provide supports for23 young people who struggle to come to24 school.25 95 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Frankly, one of the issues are2 systems, and so when that point person at3 the school is taking a look at sort of4 what's happening, one of the questions we5 have to ask ourselves is, what are the6 interventions that have come -- that7 we've done, that we've put in place to8 help the young person. Sometimes it's9 just basic as the contact home.10 Sometimes the school doesn't have a11 number or an address and we've got to go12 out and sort of find that, right? From13 that point, to issues of violence and how14 we might have to integrate additional15 services for young people.16 You're absolutely right when17 you talk about the Africa/Caribbean18 population, the Liberian young people in19 Southwest Philadelphia. We've been in20 contact with yourself and others to sort21 of figure out how we can take a look at22 that population and what we might be able23 to do to do differently, similar to the24 way we're looking at many other25 96 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 populations in the City that have2 experienced these kinds of issues.3 Erica, do you want to get a4 little deeper where we are or is that5 covering --6

Ms. Washington

You've covered7 it.8 My name is Erica Washington.9 I'm the Deputy for Attendance and10 Truancy. And I believe Tomas has covered11 where we're going. We are in12 conversations and working regularly with13 DHS, the Department of Human Services, as14 well as Family Court, as well as the15 District Attorney's Office and the16 Mayor's Office of Education looking to17 see how the system will work to address18 the root causes of truancy, because19 that's one lesson we learned this year,20 that children aren't just coming to21 school just because they're scared, but22 there may be simple issues that can be23 corrected on the spot as far as24 transportation, as far as a transfer to25 97 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 another school. There are homeless2 issues, special education issues.3 So we've been working hard this4 year to really connect the dots, find out5 what the root cause of the truancy is,6 and then connecting students and families7 to those resources to eliminate those8 barriers to get them into school.9

Councilwoman Blackwell

So I'm10 reminded of W. DuBois talking about11 preventing the youth from being trained12 to crime, and that it is our13 responsibility to deal with the cause.14 So unfortunately, all these years later,15 we're still there. Just on Saturday16 night we went to a multi-cultural affair17 in Upper Darby, because students, some18 students, live there, some live here.19 They have a two-year program for Africans20 and Caribbeans where they train people.21 They train young people who have just22 come from Africa and the Caribbean, and23 they have a two-year program. They not24 only do college preparatory, but they25 98 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 train them in language and other skills2 that they need so that they're ready to3 deal with public school, and they had all4 these success stories about young people5 and how much they -- how well they're6 doing. And I was just thinking about how7 many kids we have, African American,8 Latino, and how many kids and families9 could benefit from some two-year program10 that allows them to catch up if they get11 a chance. So a 50 percent dropout is12 just so unbelievable.13 So I'm sitting here looking at14 these Africans and Caribbeans and I'm15 saying, my goodness, we have so many16 students left behind and we have to find17 a way to reach them. And I would just18 like to hear about specific programs and19 where they are so that we don't have to20 ask the same questions over and over, so21 that we don't have to reinvent the wheel,22 so that together we're working on23 truancy, bullying, violence, as well as24 alternative schools.25 99 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 I don't know where we are with2 alternative schools. I know we did away3 with the model we had at Miller School in4 my area. Can you just name them, what5 alternative schools exist, and then I'll6 go on to the Councilwoman, and where we7 are.8

Dr. Ackerman

I'm going to ask9 Ben Wright to come up, but I can tell you10 that over the last three years, we've11 increased the spending on Multiple12 Pathways. When we talk about alternative13 schools, we're actually dividing them up14 into two categories. One is discipline15 schools, young people who have been16 suspended long term or those that are on17 expulsion, and then we're looking at18 students who left school and are coming19 back.20 For the last three years, we've21 spent approximately $29 to $30 million on22 the latter, the Multiple Pathways,23 because we've increased that24 considerably, and another 60 million on25 100 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 our alternative discipline schools. So2 if you were to compare --3

Councilwoman Blackwell

How4 many are they?5

Dr. Ackerman

How many6 alternative?7

Councilwoman Blackwell

Can8 you say what they are? And the President9 wants to --10

Dr. Ackerman

I'm sure that11 Ben will be able to tell you. I was12 trying to give you a context for how much13 we've spent, because we've increased that14 spending considerably. And I'm not15 saying it's not good that we did, just16 that 150 million, if you compare that to17 all full-day kindergarten, it's about the18 same. So $150 million we've spent for19 three years on full-day kindergarten, 15020 million for all kinds of -- both kinds of21 alternative ed, Multiple Pathways, as22 well as disciplinary schools. So...23

Mr. Wright

Good morning.24

Councilwoman Blackwell

Good25 101 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 morning.2

Mr. Wright

Madam President,3 Madam Chair. The alternative schools --4

Councilwoman Blackwell

Please5 identify yourself for the record.6

Mr. Wright

I'm sorry. Thank7 you. My name is Benjamin Wright. I'm8 the Assistant Superintendent for Academic9 Division 4, which includes all of the10 alternative schools as well as the11 juvenile programs.12 The current placement for the13 transition programs are Boone, which is14 located in North Philadelphia; Woodhaven;15 Shalecroft (ph), which is in the16 Northeast; DVHS, which is on Kelly Drive.17 We have three sites at Hunting Park and18 Front Street. We have 11 classrooms19 across the City managed by Cornell20 Abraxas. They're in Birney, they're in21 Decatur, Fels, Harrison, Holme, Hunting22 Park, King of Peace, LP Hill and Logan.23 We also have a program at the24 Franklin Mill Mall that is called Phase 425 102 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Learning. And those are for ninth grade2 kids that are overage and under-credited,3 but they're also transition schools.4 The School District manages two5 of its own programs called the6 Philadelphia Learning Academies, and they7 are for students who have been expelled8 for a short period or long period of time9 and are coming back, and these programs10 are located at Front and Hunting Park, as11 well as Miller, E.S. Miller, which is on12 4300 Westminster Street. One of the13 programs serve all the kids from the14 west, southwest and south side. The15 other program is serving kids from the16 central north --17

Councilwoman Blackwell

What's18 that called again?19

Mr. Wright

PLA South,20 Philadelphia Learning Academy South.21 It's on 4300 Westminster.22

Councilwoman Blackwell

We23 know the school. So all the schools that24 were built for that program, there were25 103 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 three of them. Are they all part of this2 same program? Because those schools were3 designed -- Miller School was -- they4 were designed for special programs,5 Allegheny School, Miller School and6 another school, citywide.7

Mr. Wright

Right. We8 combined those programs into Miller, the9 two that was on that side of town.10 Allegheny --11

Council President Verna

Try12 pulling the microphone closer to you.13

Mr. Wright

Thank you.14 The Allegheny program is no15 longer there. Those people are in --16 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:17 Excuse me. Would you mind pulling the18 microphone closer.19

Mr. Wright

Thank you.20

Council President Verna

Thank21 you.22

Mr. Wright

The Miller23 building is comprised of the school that24 used to be there. It is now combined25 104 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 into one school called the Philadelphia2 Learning Academy South. It's3 approximately 400 students that attend4 that school, seventh through twelfth5 grade. At Front and Hunting Park, there6 are roughly about 800 kids that attend7 that school, but they're managed by8 different people. Part of them are9 accelerated and part of them are10 transitional. And also the other part,11 RETI-WRAP, is in that building, as well12 as PYDA, which is a school for kids13 coming out of placement who have more14 credits and do not need to go back to a15 comprehensive high school. Anyone that16 has between and credits go to PYDA.17 Matter of fact, in February we graduated18 15 of those kids. This summer we're19 graduating 34. The plan program in20 there, the PLA North, Philadelphia21 Learning Academy North, is graduating 13422 kids this summer. PLA South at Miller is23 graduating 75 students. They've only24 been in existence for two years.25 105 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilwoman Blackwell

Are2 these private contracts?3

Mr. Wright

These are4 District-run schools. The private5 contractors are the ones I gave you6 earlier, and those would be Camelot at7 Boone, Camelot at Shalecroft --8 (Applause.)9

Councilwoman Blackwell

Do we10 still have truant officers?11

Mr. Wright

The truant12 department is totally separate from what13 we do.14

Councilwoman Blackwell

Pardon15 me?16

Mr. Wright

The truant17 department, the truant officers, are18 totally separate from what we do, but we19 do have truant officers.20

Council President Verna

How21 many truant officers do we presently22 have?23

Mr. Wright

I don't know that24 information.25 106 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Ackerman

We don't have2 truant officers. They're called3 something else.4

Councilwoman Blackwell

Madam5 Superintendent, please pull the mike6 over.7

Dr. Ackerman

I'm sorry.8 Somebody is coming up to answer that9 question.10

Ms. Washington

Erica11 Washington, Deputy for Attendance and12 Truancy.13 We currently do not have14 truancy officers. We did not go through15 with those contracts this year because16 that work was being done in our schools17 by a position called the parent18 ombudsman. So with our student advisors19 and our parent ombudsman that were20 performing the same services as the21 former truancy officers, we did not feel22 it necessary and actually contractually23 we could not go through with contracting24 work that was being done by District25 107 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 staff.2

Councilwoman Blackwell

Let me3 say that there are many of us work on4 these issues, but we need information.5 We're out here fighting for the same6 things you're fighting for, but we don't7 have information and we're not included8 in your information pool. We would like9 to have this information so we know as we10 go through our communities how we can11 best provide service and how we can12 complement or supplement. As I was13 saying yesterday, we have a meeting14 scheduled with Penn with regard to the15 nursing program to complement and16 supplement nursing services in schools in17 their area, and we're going to be18 contacting other universities as well,19 but it is so much easier if we're20 included in the information pool. Then21 we know how we can be helpful and know22 where we should direct our energies.23 Thank you. Thank you very24 much.25 108 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Councilwoman Tasco.2

Councilwoman Tasco

Yes.3 Thank you. Good morning -- good4 afternoon. I have a question for5 Mr. Masch.6

Councilwoman Blackwell

Excuse7 me, Councilwoman. The President wanted8 to follow up.9 Is there an ombudsman in every10 school?11

Dr. Ackerman

No. In all of12 our empowerment schools. And then in the13 other schools, it was up to the school.14 But in all of our empowerment schools, I15 believe it's 110 schools, we had them.16 In all of our empowerment schools we also17 had student advisors. So we had both18 positions.19

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank20 you.21

Councilwoman Tasco

Mr. Masch,22 I just had one clarifying question.23 Maybe it's because I don't understand24 what you've done here.25 109 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 You talk about in your2 testimony you have the limits on the3 School District's ability to make4 spending cuts, and you talk about5 providing -- some of the examples are one6 would be providing the teachers necessary7 to comply with contractual maximum class8 sizes and preparatory time requirements9 and that cost, but then you have on your10 sheet of the cuts to be -- that could be11 restored is the reduction -- restore cuts12 in reduced class sizes.13

Mr. Masch

Yes. So,14 Councilwoman, what you see on the15 mandated sheet is the amount of money16 that we need just to put one teacher in17 front of every 30 or 33 kids. But we18 don't have class sizes of 30 and 33 in19 all of our schools now. In fact, we have20 lower class sizes. And in the past two21 years, under the Imagine 2014 plan, we22 reduced class sizes in grades K to 3 all23 the way down to a range of 20 to 23. So24 that required about $20 million of25 110 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 additional funding.2 In this budget, we propose to3 raise K to 3 class sizes. So rather than4 being in the range of 20 to 23, 24, the5 range would be in the range of 23 to 26,6 and that yields us a savings of about $167 million in grades K to 3.8 In addition, we had reduced9 class sizes in grades 6, 8 and 9, and10 that program cost us $5 million to lower11 those class sizes. This budget12 eliminates the lower class sizes for13 grades 6, 8 and 9 and keeps class sizes14 lower than they had been in K to 3; that15 is, lower than they were two years ago,16 but higher than they've been for the past17 two years.18 So we have to build this.19 First we need this much money to have a20 class size of 33, this much more money if21 we lower the class size to 26, this much22 more money if we lower the class size to23 23.24

Councilwoman Tasco

Okay.25 111 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Ackerman

So we are just2 trying to go back to the class sizes for3 this year. As we were out in the4 community, it's one of the things that5 the parents really appreciated, that the6 class sizes across the District were7 smaller. So when we're asking, we're8 asking to go back to what they are this9 year as opposed to going up by three.10

Councilwoman Tasco

As you11 held your meetings throughout the City,12 what was the level of participation of13 parents?14

Mr. Masch

In the community15 meetings that we've held to date, it's16 ranged between 150 to over 300 parents17 per meeting. We have one last meeting at18 Imhotep Charter School this Wednesday19 evening at 7 o'clock, with a particular20 outreach to charter school parents.21

Dr. Ackerman

And this is the22 second round of community meetings. We23 had one earlier when this process first24 started. So we probably had all of about25 112 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 18 now.2

Councilwoman Tasco

The other3 question I had is, the gentleman -- I'm4 reading this information and I'm looking5 at you're trying to control utility6 costs. Have you begun to look at green7 schools and/or the use of solar?8

Dr. Nunery

Councilwoman,9 we've done a number of things along that10 regard. We not only have locked in11 energy costs, both natural gas and12 electricity using long-term forward13 contracts, but we actually just won an14 award for a LEED, L-E-E-D, designed15 school and are looking not only at solar16 but green projects as well.17 I think as we look at the18 Facilities Master Plan that we are about19 to roll out, the combination of green20 schools, green construction, working with21 the City on the Green 2015 plan all will22 come together. So as we either renovate23 buildings or construct any new buildings24 or consolidate buildings that will be25 113 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 solar, green and any kind of energy2 saving will all be a part of how we3 present the plan.4

Councilwoman Tasco

Thank you5 very much.6 Dr. Ackerman, we just spoke7 about the ombudsman. How is that8 process, how is the appointment or the9 placement of an ombudsman in a school?10 Is it at the request of the principal or11 is it something that the School District12 assigns? And what is the relationship of13 the ombudsman with the principal?14

Dr. Ackerman

Ideally, the15 ombudsman is there to work with the16 principal, with the school staff in17 parent outreach. That's what they're18 supposed to be doing. So I believe that19 every staff person who works in the20 school should report directly to the21 principal. I know that the process of22 interviewing ombudsmen comes from our23 Department of Parent and Community24 Engagement. That's where they get their25 114 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 professional development. I don't2 believe that -- do they report directly3 to the principal? Yes, they do. I4 thought they did, because I know that as5 a former principal, I believe everybody6 in the school should report to the7 principal. But there is a close8 relationship with building the pool of9 staff from our Office of Parent and10 Community Engagement.11

Councilwoman Tasco

Thank you.12

Dr. Ackerman

And then the13 principals interview the people.14

Councilwoman Tasco

Thank you.15 Thank you.16

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank17 you very much. If all minds are clear,18 we'll break for lunch and report back at19 1:30.20 Thank you, everybody.21 (Applause.)22 (Luncheon recess.)23

Councilwoman Blackwell

We're24 sorry to hold everyone. We're not ready25 115 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 to resume quite yet. We could be another2 20 minutes. Sorry to hold you up.3 Thank you.4 (Recess.)5

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank6 you very much for your patience. We will7 now renew our hearings with regard to8 School District funding.9 The next question was to be10 posed by Councilman Bill Greenlee. Thank11 you all for your patience.12

Councilman Greenlee

Thank13 you, Madam Chair.14 Good afternoon again,15 everybody. I just had a question,16 because one of the things that we hear as17 a criticism -- and I know, Mr. Masch, you18 address this in your remarks -- was the19 whole use of the federal stimulus money,20 and I know you said you prepared for it21 not to -- that it was going to run out,22 that kind of thing. I wonder if you23 could just discuss that a little bit,24 because, again, we hear that criticism.25 116 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 I'm not talking about the validity of it,2 but I was wondering if you could just go3 on record and talk about that a little4 bit.5

Mr. Masch

Right. Thank you,6 Councilman. Yeah. I was responding to7 comments that we've obviously seen in the8 media that suggest that we should have9 seen the end of the stimulus money10 coming. So I want to assure the members11 of City Council, yes, of course, we12 understood the stimulus money was for two13 years. We did plan for and prepare for14 the termination of that money. We used15 all of the funds we received exactly as16 was intended. But I want to state for17 the record what that means, because there18 are different pots of stimulus money that19 were provided, some to the School20 District and some to the Commonwealth and21 for different purposes.22 The stimulus funds that were23 provided to the School District were24 about 110, 115 million a year for over25 117 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 two years, a little over 81 million in2 Title I and about 22 million in IDA and3 then some smaller amounts of money for4 education technology and for services to5 homeless students. So that comes to 112,6 113 million a year.7 The rules for our use of those8 funds were the rules for those federal9 programs. Now, Title I is a program that10 provides supplemental educational11 services to low-income students, and IDA12 is a program that enables school13 districts to provide supplemental14 services to students with special needs.15 And the rule in both of those programs is16 supplement, not supplant. What that17 means is, you are not permitted to use18 those funds to cover spending you're19 already doing. You can't replace your20 regular operating funds with those funds.21 You can only use those funds to expand22 programs or to start new programs.23 We've also heard it said that24 we should have banked that money. Well,25 118 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 that was not permitted. It was use it or2 lose it during the period.3 And then the other thing we4 heard people say is, Well, why don't you5 use it for something one time, like6 bricks and mortar, construction projects.7 Well, in the final regulations, that8 wasn't permitted either. So we used the9 money as all other school districts used10 it. I read some comments in the press11 and elsewhere that other school districts12 used it on things that were13 non-recurring. Well, all school14 districts, all big city school districts15 in the United States, are facing a need16 to cut back programs because of the loss17 of those stimulus funds. So we all --18 every major school district in the United19 States accepted those funds with those20 rules.21 Now, our plan was to keep some22 of those programs and shift to recurring23 funding. And if you look at three key24 programs that were funded in that way -25 119 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 reduced class size, expanded summer2 school and improved student-counselor3 ratios - we even in this budget did what4 the Superintendent said she was going to5 do when we started the Imagine 2014 plan,6 which was to try to preserve the most7 important, most strategic of these8 initiatives with recurring funding.9 But there was a second part of10 stimulus funding, and it did not go to11 the School District. It went to the12 Commonwealth. And that is funding in two13 other categories called State Fiscal14 Stabilization funds and Education Job15 funds. And those sources between them16 equal about $193 million a year, this17 year, 122 million State Fiscal18 Stabilization fund, 71 million in19 Educational Jobs money. A hundred and20 forty of that 193, about 140 million, the21 state gave us and cut state funding by22 exactly the same amount. In other words,23 we didn't realize any extra money --24

Councilman Greenlee

You25 120 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 didn't gain anything.2

Mr. Masch

No. We had no3 gain. That was a budget relief for the4 state, but not for the School District.5 Now, what's happened is, a new6 Governor has come, and of course he7 wasn't the Governor during that period of8 time. Maybe he didn't know what had9 transpired before, but he came in and10 said, Okay, the stimulus funds are gone.11 What? You expect me to replace them?12 Well, that basically meant that the13 savings the state realized now will come14 at the expense of school districts, 14015 million for us and over 555 million16 across the Commonwealth.17 So those funds, yes, the intent18 of the Congress was -- they understood.19 President Obama and the Congress20 understood in February 2009 that state21 revenues were dropping and that state22 funding during the recession might get23 cut as a result. So they wanted to24 stabilize funding during that period,25 121 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 with the understanding that when the2 recession was over, then the state would3 resume its traditional role as a School4 District funder.5 Now, even there, we didn't6 expect to get the funds restored 1007 percent. We thought we'd get some8 portion of them. But, in fact, the new9 state budget, the one that the Governor10 proposed on March 8th, eliminates all of11 those funds, does not replace any of12 them, and cuts states funding to this13 School District by 100 million besides.14 So, yes, it is true we did not15 anticipate that, but it's not because we16 failed to plan or we didn't understand17 the programs.18 We now have an administration19 in Harrisburg with a very different20 approach to education funding. The fact21 is that the 1.1 billion in education cuts22 is twice as much as the lost education23 stimulus money. So there's no way that24 you can say that if we had anticipated25 122 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the need to replace the stimulus money,2 then we wouldn't have a budget problem.3

Councilman Greenlee

I4 understand. I'm glad, just as an aside,5 you addressed the banking thing, because6 that's what we hear sometimes too. Well,7 you spent the money; you should have8 saved some of that. But that was not9 allowed under the program, right?10

Mr. Masch

No, it was not.11

Councilman Greenlee

Right.12 Thank you.13 Thank you, Madam Chair.14

Councilman Green

Point of15 information.16

Councilwoman Blackwell

Point17 of information. Yes, Councilman Green.18

Councilman Green

Thank you,19 Madam Chair.20 In the FY11 budget hearings, I21 asked the District, What happens when the22 funding runs out? Do we have a plan for23 far fewer resources from the federal24 government and from state government that25 123 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 will allow these programs to continue?2 The response from the District3 was, Yes, we do, and mentioned an4 increase in state and local funding,5 potential Race to the Top money, some6 other competitive funding and a reduction7 to base operating expenditures as a8 solution to when the stimulus funding9 runs out.10 I'd like to hear more from the11 District about what its plan was last12 year and how it's evolved over the last13 12 months, starting with the increase in14 local funding you mentioned as part of15 the post stimulus plan. I'm trying to16 understand how the District projects17 local tax revenues and whether or not18 they're trued up to PICA. To what extent19 does the District coordinate revenue20 projections with those of the City's, and21 what were your base revenue assumptions22 for real estate tax growth from the City?23 If you could just sort of clarify that24 for me, because the City's projections25 124 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the last three years were that revenue2 from real estate was going down, and I3 guess I'd like you to explain to us what4 the plan was when you said you had a plan5 last year.6

Councilwoman Blackwell

Yes.7 Mr. Masch.8

Mr. Masch

Okay. Councilman,9 the answer is in several parts. First of10 all, as I said, we did anticipate some11 additional competitive federal funds. We12 did receive some of those funds in the13 portion of the stimulus called the School14 Improvement Grant program. We were not15 successful as a state in receiving state16 Race to the Top funds in two rounds of17 applications, and that was a major18 disappointment. It would have made a big19 difference for all school districts in20 Pennsylvania, including the School21 District of Philadelphia. It was not a22 City application. It was not a School23 District application. It was the state24 that made the application.25 125 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 We did see their application.2 We thought it was a sound proposal. We3 had hopes that it would be funded. It4 was not.5 There still is a further round6 of stimulus funding. They've gone7 through one round already in the program8 called Investing in Innovation, and there9 will be a second round there. There will10 also be a second round of stimulus School11 Improvement Grant funds. So we are still12 hopeful that we will receive some13 additional federal funds from that14 source.15 As I said in the previous16 response, we did not anticipate that17 there would be a 100 percent failure to18 restore any of the Fiscal Stabilization19 funds, nor did we anticipate that the20 Corbett Administration would propose to21 take the entire amount of Education Jobs22 bill money and reduce State Basic23 Education funding dollar for dollar. We24 did anticipate that they might do 5025 126 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 percent of that, but not 100 percent.2 And then we did not anticipate that there3 would be further cuts that are in excess4 of the losses from stimulus funding.5 As for local funding, the6 dilemma for the School District has been7 that it has not been clear to us how long8 the School District would be under an9 assessment freeze. With the assessment10 freeze, there's no ability for real11 estate tax revenues to grow because of12 changes in the assessed values. So the13 only way that there can be an increase in14 the real estate tax is through a change15 in the millage, either the share of the16 millage for the two partners in sharing17 the tax, the City and the School18 District, or an absolute increase. And19 it's still not clear to us exactly when20 we will see a change there.21 In the past, as you know, prior22 to the recession --23

Councilman Green

Mr. Masch,24 I'm sorry. You've repeated the same25 127 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 answer you gave to Mr. Greenlee, and for2 the sake of everybody's time, including3 yours, I'd like to -- I did hear what you4 said before and I know everybody else5 did, and I just want to save us some6 time.7 With respect to local tax8 increases and specifically if you could9 address the part of the question where10 part of the response was increase in11 local funding. And I know you were12 trying to address that when you talked13 about the assessment freeze that the City14 undertook, but in our own five-year15 projections last year, we had real estate16 taxes going down 1.4 percent, 1.5917 percent, 0.57 percent. So what did you18 mean last year when you and Dr. Ackerman19 said increased local funding? Because it20 wasn't part of the City's Five Year Plan21 or any projections that could have been22 provided, and I'd like to understand once23 again what the plan for increased local24 funding was, and if it was to come get25 128 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 more money from City Council, perhaps we2 could have started that sooner than a3 month and a half ago or a month ago.4

Mr. Masch

Well, first of all,5 Councilman, as I said, it's not been6 clear to the School District when there7 will be an end to the assessment freeze.8 It also has not been clear to the School9 District when the City would move to full10 value assessment and what the impact of11 that would be on assessment, but it has12 been our understanding that that was the13 Administration's plan. We understood14 that until the reforms and changes could15 take place to the property tax16 assessment, Administration and the17 District, with the abolition of the Board18 of Revision of Taxes and the19 establishment of the Office of Property20 Tax Assessment, that the Mayor would not21 have the mechanism within his control in22 order to do a reassessment and a reform23 of the assessment system, but we did24 understand that those were on the25 129 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 horizon. What hasn't been clear to us is2 what the timing would be or, indeed to3 this day, what the impact of that might4 be on our finances, and that has made it5 difficult for us to plan on a multi-year6 basis.7

Councilman Green

Okay.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

Excuse9 me. Councilman, you are on a point of10 order.11

Councilman Green

Yes, ma'am.12 I accept your response, except13 I refer you to our Five Year Plan, which14 clearly did not anticipate any increase15 in the local contribution to the School16 District as you testified to last year,17 and I still don't feel like I've gotten18 an answer to that question.19 So thank you, Madam Chair.20

Councilwoman Blackwell

You're21 welcome.22 Councilman Greenlee.23

Councilman Greenlee

I'm24 finished.25 130 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank2 you.3

Councilman Greenlee

A long4 time ago, but I was finished.5

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank6 you.7 Councilwoman Miller.8

Councilwoman Miller

Thank9 you. Thank you, Madam Chair.10 Good afternoon. Earlier this11 morning Councilman Goode asked a12 question, and I don't really think we got13 a specific answer about the dollar amount14 that you're requesting from the City. Is15 there a specific dollar amount? You said16 50 to 75 percent.17

Dr. Ackerman

Yes. Above the18 11 million that we've included in budget19 reductions that we're expecting, those20 are services and programs that the21 District covered a few years ago when the22 City was experiencing some budget23 reductions. So above and beyond that, it24 would be 75 to 110 million. That would25 131 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 include restoration of full-day2 kindergarten, restoration of all of the3 transportation cuts, restoration of the4 reduction in class size going back to5 what it is this year. And I know that6 the rest of that would be, we believe --7 on this list there has been talk, I know,8 with the Mayor and some of the City9 Councilmembers about the alternative ed,10 so we'd be willing to talk about that.11 But those other cuts -- the use of those12 dollars.13 But our primary and priority14 are restoration of full-day kindergarten,15 transportation and reduced class size.16

Councilwoman Miller

Okay.17 What exactly do you do now with18 transportation? Who gets transportation?19

Dr. Nunery

Councilwoman, we20 transport not only District children on21 yellow buses and also giving those who22 are eligible by income TransPasses on23 SEPTA for discount, but we also transport24 by law charter school children and25 132 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 non-public children, children who go to2 schools that are private schools or3 parochial schools. So we have a full4 population each and every day that we5 transport around the City.6

Councilwoman Miller

So you7 determine at the Central Office who gets8 transportation, not the school budget?9

Dr. Nunery

Not the school?10 I'm sorry.11

Councilwoman Miller

Budget.12

Dr. Nunery

No, not the school13 budget, that's correct. Central Office14 does determine that.15

Councilwoman Miller

Well, I16 don't have any children in public school.17 I have plenty of nieces and nephews, but18 when my daughter went to public school,19 she went to Fitler, which was a20 citywide -- children attended Fitler21 citywide.22

Councilwoman Miller

And they24 received transportation.25 133 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Nunery

That's correct.2

Councilwoman Miller

Does that3 still happen --4

Dr. Nunery

Yes, it does.5

Councilwoman Miller

--6 through those types of programs?7

Councilwoman Miller

Is that9 part of the transportation you will be10 cutting?11

Dr. Nunery

That's exactly12 right, and that's why we've put it in13 close priority to kindergarten, because14 we realize that with the loss of15 transportation, the loss of that16 flexibility, that money would have to17 come out of each household, and if you18 have multiple kids, it becomes expensive,19 but it also limits the amount of choice20 that children have and it also could21 contribute to some of the things that we22 don't want to see in terms of truancy and23 so on. So that's why we are so adamant24 that kindergarten and transportation are25 134 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 really hand in hand in terms of top2 priorities.3

Councilwoman Miller

Right,4 because I would wonder --5 (Applause.)6

Councilwoman Miller

I would7 actually wonder what would happen to a8 school like Fitler where children attend9 from all across the City. My daughter10 started -- well, it starts in first11 grade. I would not want my first grader12 riding SEPTA --13

Dr. Nunery

Absolutely.14

Councilwoman Miller

-- to get15 to school.16

Dr. Nunery

Nor do we. We17 don't want -- she might get great18 experience, but I think the key right now19 is to make sure that children go to20 school on time. We have a good record21 generally on our school buses. As we do22 our Facilities Master Plan, which you've23 probably heard about, the goal is to try24 to rebuild feeder patterns, but even25 135 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 there, you would still need to modify2 transportation and give parents the3 choice that they need to have in order to4 make sure the children get educated where5 they want them to go.6

Councilwoman Miller

So as it7 stands now, without the extra funding,8 you will be cutting transportation, and9 the only students that will receive10 transportation are charter and special11 ed?12

Dr. Nunery

That's basically13 it the way it's configured now given14 what's in front of us.15

Councilwoman Miller

Okay.16 With your Facilities Master Plan that you17 just mentioned, does what to do with the18 vacant school buildings fall under that19 master plan?20

Dr. Nunery

Yes, it does. So21 existing schools that are vacant are in22 our first phase of work. We've done all23 the analytics, all the demographics.24 We've gone out to the public to vet all25 136 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 of the issues, planning area by planning2 area, across the City, north to south,3 east to west. The first step is to look4 at the buildings that right now are5 vacant and/or dormant, get them6 appraised, see what we can sell, also to7 close some of the annexes that are not in8 great shape.9 Starting in the fall, we'll be10 coming back through the Superintendent11 and the SRC with a number of seats that12 we need to close and/or buildings that13 will affect and vet that with the14 community. And as we select buildings15 and/or look at which ones we go after16 because they're underutilized or because17 they are in poor condition or there's18 some reconfiguration, the public will get19 to comment on that, and then we'll start20 making decisions starting in late winter,21 early spring of next year.22

Councilwoman Miller

Right.23 Because you've been doing this now for a24 while. So you're saying late winter,25 137 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 early spring you'll have an actual plan?2

Dr. Nunery

Yeah. We'll have3 a small wave starting now, and then a4 larger wave starting in the fall. But it5 took us -- the reason why it took us the6 time and starting around September is7 because the District had not had a8 Facilities Master Plan in multiple years9 and this is the first time we've taken a10 comprehensive look, looking at11 demographics, looking at movement of12 children and also looking at what we can13 afford.14

Councilwoman Miller

Off the15 top of your head, how many vacant16 buildings do we have?17

Dr. Nunery

I think we have18 six right now, and we have a number that19 are underutilized, but the six is on top20 right now.21

Councilwoman Miller

Two of22 those six are in the 8th Council23 District.24

Dr. Nunery

Yes, ma'am. We25 138 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 understand that.2

Councilwoman Miller

Speed it3 up. Okay?4

Dr. Nunery

We will speed it5 up. We need to talk to you about how6 to -- the priorities that we have or like7 to see in terms of how those buildings8 get reused.9

Councilwoman Miller

Okay.10 One alternative school -- this morning11 Councilwoman Blackwell asked about12 alternative schools, and there's a13 program in Germantown on Chelten Avenue14 called the Ombudsman. Is that -- that15 was not mentioned in the list that was --16 plus, we actually need a list. In17 addition to that, we also need a glossary18 of terms, because you guys talk this19 every day and we don't, and we don't20 know -- we can't remember always21 renaissance school, empowerment school,22 what all this means, who they all are.23 But this morning -- and then I saw in24 your booklet that you had a list of25 139 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 alternative schools, but this one program2 called the Ombudsman program was not3 listed. Who funds that? I'm sure you're4 familiar with the program. Who funds5 that? Do you fund that or -- for a6 minute I actually thought that that kind7 of program took the place of CEP, which8 you no longer have, correct?9

Dr. Nunery

No, it did not10 take the place of CEP, but actually11 Benjamin Wright, our Assistant12 Superintendent for District 4, will13 answer the question.14 (Witness approached witness15 table.)16

Mr. Wright

Good afternoon.17

Councilwoman Miller

Hi.18

Mr. Wright

Thank you.19 Ombudsman is one of the programs that we20 fund through Academic Division 4. It has21 a blended model right now. It has22 transition students as well as23 accelerated students. We can get you --24 transition, those students who have25 140 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 committed an act, like we call them, act2 of -- violation against the Student Code3 of Conduct, number two versus number one,4 and they're placed in a transition school5 after a hearing and then they work there6 for -- we check them out every 30 days.7 We do a periodic review on them. At the8 end of 90 days, they're eligible to go9 back if they've made progress, they've10 gone through the character education11 program, or they stay an additional 3012 and we do another review on them in 3013 days. We also at the end of 180 days,14 they should be ready to go back if they15 had not made it in the 90 day.16 Ombudsman was one of those17 smaller programs that had 60 kids in it,18 and they're also accelerated kids. We19 can get you the brochure, if you would20 like the brochure, of where they're all21 located. Those may change in the22 upcoming school year.23

Councilwoman Miller

Right.24 That would be good. So all those25 141 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 programs, all the alternative programs,2 are actually operating today as we speak3 or have people been laid off or when does4 the contract -- someone told me that you5 want to bring lots of these programs6 in-house now?7

Mr. Wright

Yes. We do plan8 on bringing five of those programs9 in-house.10

Councilwoman Miller

Five?11 Okay. So you have a whole list of those12 that are left?13

Mr. Wright

Yes. We have a14 matrix, a performance matrix, that each15 program has to meet. So in June, we'll16 be going through that matrix. And we've17 done all year long, every quarter, we18 have a review. We have a report card19 review, just like we do for comprehensive20 schools. We also do those for the21 alternative programs. And during the22 course of the year, we do tell the23 providers, if you're not meeting the24 matrix -- if you remember the report that25 142 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the ARC gave last year about the2 accountability system, we had already3 built that system, so now we tell the4 providers -- they come in and talk to us5 three times a year. So they know pretty6 much where they are. And so when June7 come, we do make a recommendation that8 they be continued or not continued based9 on their performance.10

Councilwoman Miller

So all11 the programs still operating -- has12 Ombudsman --13

Mr. Wright

All of the14 programs at this moment are still15 operating.16

Councilwoman Miller

No one17 has been laid off?18

Mr. Wright

We wouldn't know19 that because we don't operate the20 programs. The providers lay the people21 off. They hire them. We don't hire the22 staff at the schools.23

Councilwoman Miller

But they24 still have a School District contract, I25 143 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 guess?2

Mr. Wright

Yes, they do.3

Councilwoman Miller

Okay.4 One other question, not about alternative5 schools. This is about schools'6 discretionary funds. Now, does most of7 the schools receive the same dollar8 amount based on enrollment, or how is9 that determined? When I was reading in10 the book, it said that Title I schools, I11 think, receive -- Title I schools receive12 125,000 up to 1.6 million. What makes13 the difference and who gets the 1.614 million? That's a lot of money.15

Mr. Masch

Councilwoman, under16 federal law, we must give out Title I17 funding proportionate to the number of18 low-income students -- the relative19 proportion of low-income students in each20 school, and that is what we do. Those21 funds are given out with the number that22 you've cited as the 125,000 as the23 minimum that -- every school receives at24 least that much, but then the amount of25 144 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 money that is provided to schools2 increases depending on whether they have3 more than the minimum number of4 low-income students in the school.5

Councilwoman Miller

So some6 schools everybody gets free lunch,7 correct? And that's like a citywide kind8 of -- not citywide. School-wide free9 lunch program. So that school, of10 course, has more than maybe a school that11 gets --12

Mr. Masch

Right. In about 7013 percent of our schools, we have what's14 called universal feeding. We have a15 special agreement with the United States16 Department of Agriculture. This is17 different from the Title I. But it also18 is looking at the relative number of19 low-income students.20 We have been -- in most school21 districts, a student has to bring in a22 form that's filled out by their parent or23 caregiver to qualify for a free or24 reduced lunch, but in Philadelphia -- and25 145 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 this has been true for over 20 years --2 we do a survey every three to four years3 to determine the estimated number of4 low-income students in each school, and5 in a school in which 70 percent or more6 of the students are projected to be low7 income, the U.S. Department of8 Agriculture has agreed that we can9 provide free breakfast and lunch to all10 students in the school. That means that11 the number of low-income students who get12 to obtain those services is much higher,13 because it's not dependent on parents or14 caregivers filling out the forms and15 keeping them current.16

Councilwoman Miller

So with17 the 125,000 -- was it 125? With whatever18 money they get from Title I, the school19 can use that money as they see fit?20

Mr. Masch

That's correct.21

Councilwoman Miller

What22 about the discretionary funds? How does23 that -- what is the normal, average24 amount and how is that determined and25 146 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 what do they use that money for?2

Mr. Masch

I actually have to3 look up the number for you this year. I4 know we have folks from the Budget5 Office. I'm going to ask them what the6 average is, because it's changed this7 year with the reduction in the8 allocation. We had been allocating about9 $200 million among the schools for10 principals to use as discretionary funds11 in their budgets. That's been reduced by12 about $60 million this year. So it's13 $140 million. And we changed the14 allocation formulas to ensure that every15 school had enough money to operate, to16 run its basic office functions, and then17 any other money was distributed on a18 proportional basis among all the schools.19 But obviously with a cut as deep as 3020 percent, the number of discretionary21 dollars is going to be much less in next22 year's school budgets than it has been in23 the past. And in terms of what the new24 averages are, we will get that number for25 147 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 you hopefully during the hearing.2

Councilwoman Miller

You can3 just get it to the Chair if you can't get4 it now.5 A few months ago I asked you6 how much allocation per student do we7 need, and you said 19,000 per student,8 and that's based on what Montgomery9 County and a lot of these other counties10 have. So where are we now? And that was11 before you heard about state cuts. So if12 we needed 19,000, where are we per13 student, so we can understand the gap a14 little bit better? I mean, it's one15 thing to say, okay, I have a $292 million16 gap, but per student, sometimes it's17 easier to understand. Like if we need18 19,000 and we only have 10, then it helps19 us see the difference.20

Mr. Masch

Well, the way that21 the state defines per pupil spending,22 we're at about $13,000 now, and that's23 increased by a couple of thousand dollars24 over the past decade because the25 148 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 increases in state funding. We think it2 will go down by about a thousand dollars3 a student next year.4 I want to caution that that's5 based on a state definition. And you are6 correct that the state Board of Education7 in December of 2007 did a funding8 adequacy study and in that study9 concluded that to have an adequate amount10 of money to successfully educate every11 child in the Philadelphia schools, the12 state Board of Education said we ought to13 have an additional $4,900 per student.14 So that would have taken us up to the15 number that you were talking about16 before. So obviously we're moving in the17 wrong direction if this budget is enacted18 in the way that it's been introduced19 right now based on available funding20 sources.21 Now, there are other districts,22 even low-income districts, that receive23 higher amounts of funds. The Pittsburgh24 district, for instance, is about $2,00025 149 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 per student higher than us the way the2 state funding formulas have been done.3 That's been an advantage that they've had4 for several decades, and it's reduced in5 recent years as the states tried to make6 funding among school districts more7 equitable. But this gap is still there.8

Councilwoman Miller

So what9 are you doing to try and -- what are you10 doing at the state level? Because you11 know what happens, as soon as the School12 District announced the proposed cuts,13 then we started getting calls in our14 offices and people outraged about15 half-day kindergarten, no transportation.16 One man called our office and he was17 yelling and screaming at us, and I said,18 Hey, did you call Governor Corbett's19 office? Did you call your state rep?20 Did you call your state senator?21 So what are you doing on the22 state level? Do you meet with them? Do23 you have a budget presentation with them?24

Dr. Nunery

Councilwoman,25 150 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 we've been to Harrisburg multiple times.2 We have no lobbyists, so we are largely3 doing this on our own, trying to advocate4 not only for what we think is appropriate5 in terms of the funding but also the same6 prioritization list that you have seen,7 we've presented to folks on both sides of8 the aisle.9 We've also been trying to work10 with the Pennsylvania Coalition of11 Charter Schools, because the $110 million12 that was cut out of charter school13 reimbursement is important not only to us14 but to them, and there's a resonance15 there. They agree that they would be16 harmed if we get hurt next year, they17 will feel that pain. But I think it's18 not as if we've not been banging on the19 door. That's why I think some of the20 proposals that have been put forth in21 Harrisburg are starting to respond to the22 fact that efforts here in Philadelphia,23 like protectphillyed.com and all the24 rallies, are starting to get to folks,25 151 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 especially when they see it is a2 universal pain that people are feeling,3 not just black and brown but everybody in4 the City.5

Councilwoman Miller

Okay.6 This is my last question. The District7 is to be commended for the progress of8 the public and charter schools, but could9 we have a list per school who is doing10 what, if they've made progress, who they11 are rather than lumping it all together,12 both public and charter? And I have a13 charter school in my district that's14 doing, I think, a wonderful job, Imhotep,15 and I think everybody would agree with16 that. They've asked to be allowed to17 have more students, and I don't know18 whether that decision has been made or19 not, but I know other schools that have20 asked for an increase in the number of21 their students and they've been granted22 that.23 So at some point, we might need24 to just talk about what's happening with25 152 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 a school like Imhotep that -- I can't2 remember how the ranking is, but they're3 ranking pretty close to the top, if not4 at the top, and I don't know why they5 have not been allowed the opportunity to6 increase the number of students that they7 have. It's an excellent program.8

Dr. Nunery

Councilwoman, I9 think it's great. We can not only give10 you that listing in terms of what we call11 the School Performance Index not only for12 District schools but also for charters,13 and we've talked directly with Christine14 Wiggins, founder of Imhotep, about her15 specific request to add seats. So we're16 going to be acting on that soon.17

Councilwoman Miller

Okay.18 All right. Thank you.19 Thank you, Madam Chair.20

Councilwoman Blackwell

You're21 welcome.22 And with regard to the23 alternative schools and her request,24 please submit that information to the25 153 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Chair, and the Chair will make sure it's2 distributed to all members of Council.3 The next person is Councilwoman4 Sanchez.5

Councilwoman Sanchez

Thank6 you, Madam Chair.7 Good afternoon. I'd like to8 add to that request. I think in previous9 years when we got our budget information,10 there was additional data provided by11 District in terms of schools, ranking12 charters and some other stuff that's not13 in our data, and I think had that been14 provided this year, a lot of the15 questions, particularly with my Council16 colleague Donna Reed Miller, would have17 been answered.18 So, Madam Chair, if you would19 allow me to request that we get that20 updated information by district as21 they've done in the past, that would be22 very helpful. I look forward to those23 report cards every year.24 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:25 154 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Certainly. Thank you. Thank you very2 much.3

Councilwoman Sanchez

Thank4 you.5 So I'm going to start with a6 couple of things. I just want to kind of7 echo my concern that I expressed8 yesterday around the severity of some of9 the projected cuts, and very concerned10 about the hysteria that it's created in11 the community, particularly by parents12 and teachers and providers. So I just13 want to say, I'm very concerned and14 getting bombarded.15 Most of the students that were16 here earlier this morning were from my17 councilmanic district. So I want to kind18 of lay some of these -- put some stuff on19 the record that's not correct so that we20 can kind of move on.21 I'm not going to talk about22 full-day kindergarten, because I think23 that out of a $3 billion budget, the fact24 that we're talking about 25 million is25 155 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 just like, if I can use Sandy Shea's2 expression, a no-brainer. So I would3 hope that we're going to figure that one4 out.5 But I do want to talk a little6 bit about the transportation piece and7 for the record ask, of the $50 million8 that -- or the $49 million, how much of9 that is reimbursed by the state?10

Mr. Masch

Councilwoman, there11 are different rates of reimbursement. So12 for non-public transportation, for13 instance, the reimbursement is over 8014 percent. For bus transportation, it15 ranges in the 50 to 60 percent range. So16 the total level of reimbursement is in17 the 60, 70 percent range, and as we have18 noted in the Budget and Brief and in our19 budget presentations and want to make20 clear for the record here, we are21 reimbursed by the state for22 transportation with a one-year lag. We23 are reimbursed in each year for the24 subsequent year. Since we've provided25 156 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 full transportation services, we will2 receive those full reimbursements next3 year. The cuts in transportation, if4 they are implemented next year, will5 result in a loss of state reimbursement6 in Fiscal Year 2012-13, which means that7 the net savings in the second year after8 a transportation cut would be much less9 than the savings in the first year. And10 we've recognize that, we've acknowledged11 it. We've only made these recommended12 reductions because while I take your13 point about in what was a $3 billion14 budget, unfortunately now only a merely15 $2.7 billion budget, each individual item16 doesn't sound like it's that great, but17 the problem is we have to cut 600 million18 plus, and if we had not proposed these19 transportation reductions, the only20 option left to us would have been further21 reductions in instructional programs.22 And since those aren't on the table, it's23 hard to envision that, but if you had24 seen those cuts, our feeling was they25 157 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 were going to be even worse than the2 transportation cut, because if we had3 transportation but we couldn't get people4 the quality educational programs, then5 the transportation wasn't going to avail6 us that much.7 But that said, we also agree8 that it's a terrible cut, and in9 particular because the beneficial effect10 is going to erode in the second year.11

Councilwoman Sanchez

And I12 guess that's to my point. So this13 particular cut this year will realize us14 what savings this year?15

Mr. Masch

The savings this16 year is $50 million.17

Councilwoman Sanchez

And next18 year?19

Mr. Masch

So the savings next20 year would be in the range of about $16,21 $17 million.22

Councilwoman Sanchez

I just23 say that because when we're talking about24 these numbers, there's a lot of zeroes in25 158 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 these, and it's a lot easier for people2 to fathom 16 million than 50 million. So3 I just think it's an important4 clarification, because when we talk to5 parents, there's this notion of $506 million, and really what we're talking7 about is trying to close a gap that it8 will be 6 million.9 I also want to make sure that10 we're not passing the buck to next year11 with some sort of funding scheme this12 year, not looking at next year. So with13 transportation, I just wanted to get that14 clarified.15 I'm a little concerned about --16 and let's get into the alternative17 education. I know that last year when18 the School District, rightfully so,19 looked at creating additional slots,20 there was a lot of discussion about21 current Philadelphia-based providers and22 folks coming in and the disparity between23 the cost of students by the different24 contractors. Where are we as it relates25 159 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 to that? Do we now have a standard? I2 know at that point when we talked about3 it last year, we tried to create a more4 uniformed standard about what the cost5 per student is.6

Dr. Ackerman

We do have a7 standard. I'll let Mr. Wright.8

Mr. Wright

Good afternoon,9 Councilwoman. We have standardized the10 costs across the District in terms of11 each provider. The difference is whether12 it's a full day or half day. Some13 providers work on a half day; some of14 them work on a full day. So we're in the15 process of doing that now as we go16 through the rubric again this year and17 look at the performance indicators that18 are there for each provider. And so as19 we put that together, those costs, we20 would be asking each one to take equal21 costs.22

Councilwoman Sanchez

We like23 to look at those. Right now my24 understanding -- and I asked this25 160 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 question yesterday in our briefing, and2 just to clarify for the record, my3 understanding is that if the proposal4 before us stays, the providers' funding5 will end June 30th even for those who are6 graduating kids after that; is that7 correct?8

Mr. Wright

Their contract9 ends when it ends. There are some that10 will be graduating their students on11 August the 4th. So we are very much12 aware of that.13

Councilwoman Sanchez

Okay.14 Wait a minute. So that's a concern.15 Because we're saying to folks, You have a16 commitment with us to graduate these kids17 in August, but we're only providing18 funding for June. Is that what you're19 saying?20

Mr. Wright

No, that's not21 what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that22 each provider had their own contract as23 to when they would graduate students, and24 those contracts are still intact. So no25 161 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 one has changed the contract on that2 issue.3 Now, going forward next year,4 we are going to have to negotiate some5 cuts and some cost-saving measures.6

Councilwoman Sanchez

So based7 on your current proposal about how8 alternative education would look next9 year versus this year, can you highlight10 for me the one or two or three different11 things? Because I know there's a12 discussion about some of this being13 brought in-house. So what would change14 based on what you're proposing now?15

Mr. Wright

We're basically16 proposing to do five high schools,17 accelerated high schools in-house, three18 middle schools in-house.19

Councilwoman Sanchez

Where20 would these schools be located?21

Mr. Wright

The high schools22 will be located in current places that we23 have providers operating right now. For24 example, at the AER Center on Front and25 162 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Hunting Park; at E.S. Miller, which is2 4300 Westminster; also at Southern High3 School, which right now there's a program4 there; at Bartram Annex, there's a5 program there; and at Ben Franklin High6 School on the flip side of the schools,7 on Green Street or Brandywine.8 At the same time, we have some9 providers that are very exemplary, so10 we'll be working with them in terms of11 what capacity that they could be utilized12 in to move it forward on a smaller scale13 at a reduced rate per student, and they14 all will be the same.15

Councilwoman Sanchez

Can you16 explain to me the thought process -- and17 we had this discussion before and I'm18 just really concerned because it's an19 issue that we had at DHS when we moved20 from a robust provider system based on21 where we needed these schools to be22 located, the types of kids that they were23 going to service, and then when we go24 back to centralizing, we're going to lose25 163 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 that.2 What is the thought process and3 why -- is this a budgetary decision or is4 this one of let's transition in the long5 run these programs back into the6 District?7

Mr. Wright

Basically it is8 both. We want to transition in the long9 run because we have created our own10 programs. We have plats and plans,11 Philadelphia Learning Academy South,12 which uses a non-graded model;13 Philadelphia Learning Academy North that14 uses a non-graded model. We have --15

Councilwoman Sanchez

They're16 using what kind of model?17

Mr. Wright

An ungraded model.18 We have Albertson for middle19 school students. We have a program PYDA20 for high school students who are coming21 out of placement that use a very similar22 model.23 Now, the providers use a very24 similar model as well. So for providers25 164 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 per student in the accelerated side of2 the house, they do differ in terms of3 whether they're full day or half day.4 That's the only difference.5 Now, on the transition side of6 the house, $10,200 for the full-day7 program and $5,297 for the half-day8 program.9 On the transition side, those10 programs are all full-day programs right11 now, and the providers are paid $8,800 as12 a minimum and 10,002 as a maximum,13 keeping in mind that each provider in the14 RFP quoted the cost that they wanted15 associated with their budget to run those16 programs. So the District did not17 legislate the dollars.18

Councilwoman Sanchez

How many19 slots will we be losing in this cut?20

Mr. Wright

None. We're21 actually increasing 500, because it costs22 the District less to run the program.23 PLA North, for example, they was24 allocated $10,200 for 275 kids, but right25 165 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 now they run 400 kids a piece. So that2 cost is about $5,000 per kid.3

Councilwoman Sanchez

So4 you're saying that we can do it more5 efficiently internally?6

Mr. Wright

Absolutely.7

Councilwoman Sanchez

We are8 going to have the capacity based on9 teachers -- are we going to have that10 capacity to transition that quickly with11 teachers and everything else?12

Mr. Wright

Yes, we will.13 When we were given the okay to open the14 PLAs, we opened them in one month. So we15 know we have the capacity. We have the16 training. We have the professional17 development all set up to go. We have18 the administrators in place. So we19 know -- there are going to be some20 hiccups, there's no question about that,21 but, of course, we'll be there with the22 Alka Seltzer to make sure that those23 hiccups are taken care of.24

Councilwoman Sanchez

I don't25 166 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 doubt your intentions. It's just that2 I've been involved in education long3 enough to know that it is taking us a4 very long time to create these very5 unique programs to meet the needs of6 these kids, and you're asking us to have7 a leap of faith that in one year you're8 going to be able to build that capacity9 internally, and it's really difficult for10 me to say that that's possible. It's11 doable over two or three years. I don't12 see it doable in one year.13 So these -- I worked at ASPIRA,14 as Director of ASPIRA, and I had an15 alternative education and accelerated16 program. The kids who come into these17 programs have a variety of special needs.18 We failed them once. We can't afford to19 fail them twice as we try to figure it20 out, when we already have some proven21 track records of graduating these kids.22 So I'm not going to be against23 reform in saying how do you bring that24 stuff internally. I am not going to25 167 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 accept that we're going to do this in one2 year. It's just not possible. I've seen3 what's happened when we attempt to do4 these drastic changes overnight, and the5 kids get caught up in the middle.6 There's a geography issue of where kids7 want to go and how far they're willing to8 go, because many of these kids, as you9 well know, have kids. So you're talking10 about single mothers, single fathers.11 You have adjudicated youth.12 So we're going to have to13 rethink this area, and I know that's one14 of the areas where we've talked about15 restoration, but I want to go beyond16 restoration of funding. I want to go17 to -- part of what makes the portfolio18 work is the mix, is the ability to have19 different slots and different types of20 situations for all the kids. So I want21 to be real careful about how we work22 that.23

Dr. Ackerman

Actually, it is24 still a mix, and we will have 4,000 young25 168 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 people who will have access to the2 contract providers, the ones who have3 done the best in our DOL schools. We4 have 4,000 young people. So it is a mix.5 We're actually not transitioning all of6 the contract providers out of the7 alternative mix. That just wasn't8 explicit. And we'll be working in9 schools as they are in all of our DOL10 schools. That's about 4,000 young people11 that will still have access.12

Councilwoman Sanchez

That's13 part of the concern. Again, what I found14 is dealing -- when we were doing some of15 this work is, you don't want to set kids16 back in the same environment where they17 failed the first time. There's a reason18 why these smaller environments are more19 conducive. It's about not putting a kid20 back where he failed again once.21

Dr. Ackerman

But many of them22 are already there and --23

Councilwoman Sanchez

No. I24 understand that. There's a pocket of25 169 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 kids that that works for because of their2 situation, but, you know, when I visit my3 alternative schools in my district, I'm4 acutely aware of the fact that it is a5 very different environment in their6 schools, that we're not putting these7 kids back up in that same environment.8 (Applause.)9

Dr. Ackerman

Councilwoman,10 we're doing both. So some will remain in11 their schools like they are now and some12 will have off-site centers, those13 providers that have off-site centers. So14 there will be a choice. It's what we're15 doing now, with a smaller number of kids,16 4,000.17

Councilwoman Sanchez

And I18 think before we finish this budget19 discussion, I'd like to see more details20 about what that looks like, because I21 think it's real important that again --22 and I said it, I was one of the first23 folks to say these budget cuts are24 drastic. I'm going to do my part as an25 170 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 elected official to provide as much2 support, but it is going to be with3 conditions, and that's clearly one of the4 areas where, because of my experience,5 has to be worked out.6 (Applause.)7

Councilwoman Sanchez

So I'm8 sure we'll get to some agreement there.9

Dr. Ackerman

Okay.10

Councilwoman Sanchez

I want11 to talk a little bit about the ESL impact12 and the cuts. This is one of the areas13 where I always sound as a broken record14 as the Latino on Council. But for the15 last three years, I've been asking for16 what is our bilingual education plan, and17 we've gotten different variations of what18 we're doing around ESL and bilingual19 education, but I'm extremely concerned20 about the elimination of 42 bilingual21 positions. Now, correct me if that's not22 the number.23

Dr. Ackerman

Yeah. She's24 going to come up and explain that. I25 171 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 believe it's bilingual counseling2 positions. It's not teachers. We've3 added 63 more teachers. We did not4 reduce those teaching staff.5 (Witness approached witness6 table.)7

Ms. Feria

Good afternoon.8 Lucy Feria. How are you?9 That's correct. As I was10 coming up and I heard the number, I was11 saying that's BCAs. That's not teaching12 positions. The ESL program will13 continue. It actually saw the least14 reductions. We were watching it closely15 and are very committed to the ESL16 program. So we will continue to have 30117 ESL teachers. In addition, we're18 actually enhancing our programs because19 we are going to open a dual language20 program at Luis Munoz-Marin.21

Councilwoman Sanchez

So the22 cuts in the bilingual piece/ESL piece is23 on the counseling side? So where are we24 seeing --25 172 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Ms. Feria

Family supports.2 The bilingual counseling --3

Councilwoman Sanchez

Can you4 explain that to me, what that means?5

Ms. Feria

There are several6 offices that provide services to parents7 and students in schools. The Office of8 Parent and Engagement has another office9 that has two big offices that serve ESL10 students or ELL immigrant families. They11 are the Family Supports, Office of Family12 Supports, as well as the Office of13 Translation and Interpretations.14 In my shop, the Office of15 Multilingual Curriculum and Programs, we16 do the instructional program.17

Councilwoman Sanchez

Okay.18

Dr. Ackerman

And, actually,19 we've increased our Office of Translation20 Services. I don't remember how many, but21 it's a big office now. So we felt like22 we could -- the bilingual counseling23 assistants are sort of like instructional24 aides, and what we've done is shifted the25 173 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 resources so we'd have more interpreters2 for schools and for services3 District-wide.4

Councilwoman Sanchez

Okay.5 Well, I'm interested in looking at how6 these cuts -- the one issue that I'd like7 to revisit is -- and maybe Lucy will8 remember since she's been around a9 little. I don't want to put your age out10 there, Lucy, but a little bit -- is the11 designation of bilingual schools that12 allows us to ensure that when we have the13 type of cuts that we're talking about,14 usually first in is first out, and then I15 end up losing bilingual personnel at the16 school-based level. How are we making17 sure that that doesn't happen in those18 schools in the past -- and I don't know19 if it was the '80s rendition of bilingual20 schools.21

Ms. Feria

Gosh, I think that22 was about in the 1990s. What we are23 currently doing is designating positions24 bilingual. So we have positions based --25 174 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 and the school principals make that2 decision, as well as many of the other3 offices. For example, we have bilingual4 counselor positions, bilingual5 secretaries, bilingual teachers.6

Councilwoman Sanchez

So when7 we make these cuts, if they're last in,8 are they first out?9

Ms. Feria

Not if they have a10 bilingual designation for the position.11 For example, I have five transitional12 bilingual programs and there are teaching13 positions that are designated bilingual.14 In order to implement the program, we15 would need the bilingual teachers.16

Councilwoman Sanchez

The17 other area that -- last week I had an18 opportunity to sit down with some19 parents -- is the, I guess, the parent20 ombudsman positions. They have all been21 eliminated?22

Dr. Ackerman

They have, and23 they're coming back. We eliminated both24 the -- and I guess I want to say, you25 175 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 know, the last thing we want to do was to2 eliminate these positions, the parent3 ombudsman and the student advisor, but4 what we've done is combined the two now5 so that we can still keep parts of both6 of those positions. So there will be7 somebody there who will handle both the8 advising of students who are truant and9 have other issues to support the10 counselor, and they will also work with11 parents. So we've combined the two12 positions.13

Councilwoman Sanchez

So how14 many cuts are we talking?15 (Witness approached witness16 table.)17

Ms. Dunkley

So we have18 approximately -- Karen Dunkley, Deputy19 Chief, for the record, of the Office of20 Parent, Family, Community Engagement and21 Faith-Based Partnerships.22 We will have a total of the new23 positions, they're known as school24 improvement support liaisons, and we will25 176 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 have a total 150 of those positions,2 reduced from 177 parent ombudsman.3

Councilwoman Sanchez

So that4 is 20 something you're only losing?5

Ms. Dunkley

For parent6 ombudsman and student advisors, we're7 losing 150 of those. So a total of 1708 positions.9

Councilwoman Sanchez

How are10 the qualifications different? Because I11 think one of the uniquenesses about the12 ombudsman was you had people who were13 from the neighborhood, understand. So14 how are the qualifications changing?15

Ms. Dunkley

The16 qualifications are actually comparable.17 We did retain the same qualifications to18 ensure that we would not lose those19 people who were connected to communities.20

Councilwoman Sanchez

Okay.21

Dr. Ackerman

But there is --22 I mean, we do have a bumping rights23 issue. So the most senior will bump into24 these positions first.25 177 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilwoman Sanchez

Okay.2 So there again, I may get hurt on the3 bilingual and language.4

Ms. Dunkley

They will not --5 bilingual designations absolutely remain6 bilingual regardless of seniority. So,7 for example, if you take a school like a8 Cayuga or Furness, it's strictly based --9 as long as the position is designated10 bilingual, the seniority there only11 applies to personnel who are bilingual.12 So they will absolutely be staffed13 bilingual.14

Councilwoman Sanchez

Okay.15 Thank you.16 Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll17 let my colleague -- Bill is busting at18 the seams over here. I will be back.19 Again, this is very drastic.20 We're very much committed to saving where21 we've made progress, but it will be with22 caveats. So I'm there.23

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank24 you very much.25 178 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Councilman Green and then2 Councilman Jones. I apologize,3 Councilman Jones. He really took to task4 his point of order, albeit it was a5 rather long point of order.6

Councilman Green

Thank you,7 Madam Chair.8 Maria knows a lot of things.9 One of the things Maria knows is10 education, I have to say. That was a11 very impressive colloquy.12 I'd just like to say for the13 record that over the last two years,14 we've learned a lot in this Chamber about15 making tough budget-balancing decisions.16 We went through that at a time when17 School District funding increased year18 after year, and we've disagreed at times19 and we've grappled with serious fiscal20 challenges and trying to find a21 responsible way to do so while preserving22 essential services.23 Our touchstone has been really24 outcomes, productivity and collaboration.25 179 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 And our ability to deal with these2 challenges was enhanced by having3 multiple stakeholders at the table - the4 Administration, City Council, PICA, the5 Controller and others. The City balanced6 its budget using suggestions from all of7 these parties and benefited from diverse8 perspectives.9 It seems likely that the City10 will provide some assistance to the11 School District this year. From my12 perspective at least, it's important that13 any such assistance be accompanied by two14 things. First, a willingness on the part15 of the District to allow oversight that16 is equivalent to the oversight we have17 over City departments, including the18 equivalent of subpoena power, our ability19 to get any information we want when we20 want it, et cetera, and, for example,21 allowing the Controller to have the22 ability to do pre-audits and performance23 audits and look at anything that he wants24 and get information about anything he25 180 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 wants. And it's likely that this issue2 will be go on in 2013 as well. So the3 second commitment is to use the funding4 for programs such as those that people5 have talked about are important today.6 I'm concerned that the items on7 the chopping block include initiatives8 that we know improve outcomes for kids.9 I'm not confident that all of the10 programs we're preserving have a data or11 evidence-based approach that they12 actually do improve outcomes for kids.13 And so it looks to me like we have some14 positioning here rather than linking15 spending decisions to increased or best16 outcomes for children. And I guess we17 can get into that a little bit more in18 the questions, but I wanted to start my19 questioning with that premise and wonder20 whether the School District will be21 amenable to memorandums of understandings22 and other contractual items that are23 enforceable in court.24

Mr. Archie

Councilman Green,25 181 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 I think we have multiple numbers of2 memorandums of understanding between3 various City departments. So I wouldn't4 find this out of the ordinary with5 respect to the Controller's Office.6 I do recall -- and Mike will7 have to -- what do we have on staff on8 the Controller's Office?9

Mr. Masch

Well, there are10 seven positions that are currently paid11 for out of the School District budget,12 seven FTEs out of the Controller13 complement that are paid for out of the14 School District budget.15

Mr. Archie

And their purpose?16

Mr. Masch

Well, they are not17 staff who are assigned to School District18 audits. They are members of the general19 staff of the Controller's Office. They20 perform their duties at the behest of the21 Controller.22

Councilman Green

And the23 Controller's Office does not have24 pre-audit authority like he does for City25 182 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 departments. He can only go back and2 look retrospectively.3

Mr. Masch

That's correct.4 Under the School Code, the pre-audit5 function is a School District function.6 We have an internal audit unit of our own7 which performs that function.8 As for performance audits, the9 Controller's Office does conduct10 performance audits on a regular basis on11 the School District, and we cooperate12 with them fully.13

Councilman Green

So my14 question once again is, is there any15 objection to providing City Council and16 the Controller with the same authority,17 even if we have to do it by contract,18 that we have over City departments?19

Mr. Masch

Under the School20 Code, the School District is required to21 maintain its own internal audit unit. So22 you would basically be putting these23 transactions through two levels of --24

Councilman Green

I'm not25 183 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 suggesting that we would use it to2 perform an additional audit. It's not3 clear to me that we're given all of the4 information we request. It takes a long5 time to even get a hearing on issues,6 whether it's related to bullying or other7 things. We do get them eventually three8 or six months after the fact, but the9 level of cooperation at least -- I'm only10 speaking from my perspective -- would11 have to change dramatically for me to12 want to support additional funding.13

Mr. Masch

I can only say with14 respect to the Controller's Office and my15 office as the Chief Financial Officer, we16 work extraordinarily closely. They are17 an independent auditor, so it's not --18 it's not cooperative in the sense that's19 inappropriate, but I am -- I can't think20 of an instance in which we have not been21 able to provide the Controller's Office22 with information that they have required.23 They are in fact the auditors of the24 School District and have --25 184 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Green

I understand2 what their authority is.3

Mr. Masch

-- on a day-to-day4 basis.5

Councilman Green

The6 Controller was in here the other day and7 specifically raised these problems in8 terms of his relationship with the School9 District and how difficult it is to get10 information in the School District,11 specifically mentioning they have to come12 up with alternative theories to get13 access to buildings just to check the14 equipment there so that they can actually15 perform audits about what's going on in16 the schools. He gave that specific17 example.18 So rather than getting in a19 back and forth, my question is simple.20 Are you willing to give us the kind of21 authority we have over other departments22 in terms of quick access to information,23 the equivalent of subpoena power, et24 cetera, if we're going to provide you25 185 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 with additional resources so that there2 is an accountability to this body?3

Dr. Ackerman

I don't think I4 can answer that. I think that we'd have5 to have legal look into that, along with6 the other issue that was raised by7 Councilman Clarke, and it would have to8 be then a School Board decision,9 certainly not staff.10

Councilman Green

Okay. I11 accept that. I wanted to make that point12 and say I honestly think that at least on13 the City's side, we've benefited from14 having more information available to more15 people to make suggestions.16 Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez17 just raised a point that I think was lost18 on us because we don't have details about19 the City budget, and, that is, if you get20 $35 million on a cash flow basis next21 year, you can pay for transportation as22 long as 16 million is there. So I don't23 know whether the School District is24 allowed to do revenue anticipation notes.25 186 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 We can do them and lend the money to the2 School District in a way that doesn't3 make it an ongoing obligation, but it4 seems to me that the transportation issue5 is a $16 million problem as long as we6 can create a financing mechanism and not7 a $53 million problem, because you'll get8 reimbursement at the 60 or 70 percent9 rate as long as that cash is available to10 you.11 In terms of like12 problem-solving together, is there a way13 for us to go to banks together, put that14 extra 35 million in our trans and get the15 money back from you next year when we16 repay them, that sort of thing?17

Mr. Masch

Councilman, as I18 noted, we are in discussions with the19 Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation20 Authority about the possibility of that21 kind of arrangement to deal with22 TransPasses, but it would be much more23 difficult to do it with respect to the24 bus service. There are certain25 187 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 limitations on us. One is, we don't2 receive the reimbursement 100 percent on3 day one of the next fiscal year. This is4 not to say that it's impossible to do5 this, just it's one of the difficulties6 we're wrestling with with SEPTA. The7 state reimburses us on a bimonthly basis8 over the course of the next year. So9 it's actually a two-year transaction, not10 a one-year transaction.11

Councilman Green

Okay.12 However long the transaction is, is there13 a way for us to work together for us to14 provide potentially the cash flow15 necessary for you to continue that, even16 if it's a two-year reimbursement to the17 City?18

Dr. Ackerman

We would welcome19 that.20

Councilman Green

Okay. So21 really the ask for transportation, as22 long as there's the financial mechanism,23 whether it's through loans from banks24 that we guarantee, whether it's through a25 188 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 shared services arrangement where we2 actually provide the bussing and can get3 reimbursed by the state, it's really a4 $16 million problem?5

Dr. Ackerman

If you can give6 us that kind of support, then it becomes7 a $16 million problem.8

Councilman Green

Okay.9

Councilwoman Brown

What was10 that?11

Dr. Ackerman

If we can get12 that support of the advance, the kinds of13 alternatives, then it becomes a $1614 million problem. But right now we don't15 have any of that as surety.16

Councilman Green

And that's17 the kind of collaboration that happens in18 our budget process all the time where we19 figure out how to work things out and20 help each other, and certainly we want to21 do that for the School District, and22 hopefully we can work that out with the23 Administration and other stakeholders to24 try to do that.25 189 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 So we just -- gosh, that was2 pretty good, 53 million to 16 million.3 That's a pretty big savings.4

Mr. Archie

But the tran must5 be paid back within a 13-month period.6 You don't have two years in which to pay7 back the tran.8

Councilman Green

I9 understand, but there's bank financing10 and there are ways for us to financially11 engineer to get -- this is a finance12 problem, it's a cash flow problem.13 That's all it is.14

Mr. Masch

It's also a budget15 and expenditure problem in that one of16 the things we've been wrestling with with17 SEPTA is, we will incur the expense next18 year, and one of the things that I in19 fact have to do with the Controller's20 Office and with our own staff and with21 SEPTA is figure out is there a way to22 avoid our having to recognize the23 expenditure. If we have to recognize the24 expenditure, it's a problem.25 190 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Also, I agree with you that in2 theory, this is potentially a financeable3 transaction. But we don't know that yet.4 We don't know what kind of credit or5 security from what parties, at what level6 of interest expense. All of that is not7 to say -- I mean, the message from the8 Superintendent is clear, that if we can9 do this, we would welcome it. I mean, we10 don't want to make the cut. We'd love to11 find a way to make this a financeable12 transaction. We've been thinking about13 ways to do that already, but there are a14 number of hurdles that we've got to15 figure out how to clear in order to16 ensure that we actually have figured it17 out.18

Councilman Green

No. I19 understand, but you didn't come here20 asking for us to help you solve a21 problem. You came in here asking for 5322 million, and working together, we can23 jump those hurdles and solve the problem24 with $16 million, is my -- I think we're25 191 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 going to work that out.2 So I guess my next question is,3 of the Imagine 2014 initial proposal, how4 much are we still spending on it and how5 much was cut?6

Mr. Masch

Let me just see.7 I'm asking my Budget Director. I'm not8 sure we have those numbers.9 I think that's in the ball10 park. As we've noted, the major things11 that are preserved are expanded summer12 school, reduced class size and the13 counselors. There are a few other14 programs that are partially preserved.15 The total expenditure at its peak, which16 is this year, was a little under $18017 million. We think in this budget there18 is about between 45 and 50 million of19 initiatives that are still in this20 budget.21

Councilman Green

So we've22 gone from 180 in spending on Imagine 201423 to 40?24

Mr. Masch

Closer to 50.25 192 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Green

To about 502 million. Could you provide the detail of3 that to the Chair?4

Councilman Green

Rather than6 trying to go through each program with7 us.8 Can you pull up of your9 chart that was in the PowerPoint?10 I'm sorry. It's the chart that11 shows higher student achievement gone12 hand in hand with increased funding.13

Mr. Masch

Okay. Yes.14

Councilman Green

So can you15 tell me when Imagine 2014 began, what16 year? 2009?17

Dr. Ackerman

2008 -- 2009.18

Councilman Green

2009?19

Mr. Masch

Imagine 201420 initiatives were implemented beginning in21 the '09-'10 fiscal year, and that was22 last year, and then in the '10-'11 fiscal23 year, that's current year.24

Councilman Green

So we25 193 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 wouldn't have seen an impact until 20102 in terms of school increased scores,3 right? Because it began in --4

Dr. Ackerman

And we did.5

Councilman Green

Well, there6 is certainly an impact there in terms of7 increased scores. What data or evidence8 do we have that demonstrates that that9 increase is related to Imagine 2014 and10 not sort of the general other programs11 that have been happening in the School12 District over the course of the last ten13 years?14

Dr. Ackerman

Well, we can15 correlate the work that we did with16 empowerment schools, and they actually17 made greater progress than our other18 schools. We can show that the young19 people who went to summer school actually20 did not regress as much as those that did21 not. So we can show you the research.22

Councilman Green

How much23 specifically of the increase between '0924 and '10 can you attribute to Imagine25 194 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 2014? And I'm not asking you to answer2 that right now, because you probably3 don't keep the data that way, but the4 things you just mentioned. If you hadn't5 had the empowerment schools, for example,6 if you hadn't had the summer programs.7

Dr. Ackerman

Or lower class8 sizes.9

Councilman Green

What would10 have the chart looked like in 2010, if11 you can provide that to the Chair.12 So when did we first get13 funding for early childhood education?14

Dr. Ackerman

I don't --15

Mr. Masch

Well, the first16 funding for early childhood education was17 Head Start, and that was the war on18 poverty.19

Councilman Green

Oh, okay,20 from the state that increased early21 childhood education.22

Mr. Masch

I'm ashamed to23 admit that I'm old enough that I can24 remember that, actually. It was in25 195 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 2007-2008 that Governor Rendell proposed2 the Pre-K Counts program, which added3 additional state funds to the federal4 funds that we were already using.5 However, the state also began doing what6 most other states do, and, that is,7 supplementing federal Head Start with8 state Head Start, and they began doing9 that in 2004.10

Dr. Ackerman

I believe we can11 show you exactly the programs we put in12 and the results in terms of student13 achievement. There's been a lot of14 discussion around alternative ed. We put15 in Multiple Pathways. When I got here,16 there was one program. Now, I don't17 know -- there are Multiple Pathway18 programs. Our graduation rates have gone19 from 59 percent in two years to 6320 percent. I'll be happy to send you that21 data.22

Councilman Green

That's23 great. So what year did we first get the24 state funding for full-day kindergarten?25 196 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Mr. Masch

State funding for2 full-day kindergarten was part of the3 Accountability Block Grant, and that was4 2004.5

Councilman Green

2004. So6 what we know from the data that was7 mentioned at the beginning of this budget8 hearing is that K through, I think, 8 or9 K through 4, K through 5, I can't10 remember, has sort of like 67 percent of11 students at grade level in12 District-operated schools, and then as13 you get up into high school, the number14 drops off to 43 percent, my recollection15 is. And I guess my point is that it16 seems clear just from these charts that17 early childhood education and full-day18 kindergarten are probably as strongly, if19 not, more correlative to the increased20 success because it carried throughout21 grade school than the Imagine 201422 program has been, with all its successes,23 which I acknowledge, with all its24 successes. And so what we're really25 197 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 talking about -- and if my colleagues2 will bear with me. You've heard me say3 this a number of times -- budgeting is4 choosing between competing ideas for good5 with limited resources. And I guess I6 don't understand a decision to spend 507 million on some of those programs versus8 the 25 million that's needed on9 kindergarten. In other words, when you10 make that decision, what you're saying11 is, there is nothing in our budget that12 is less effective in terms of achievement13 than full-day kindergarten, because14 you've chosen to eliminate full-day15 kindergarten. So you've said of all the16 choices you made, nothing is less17 effective than full-day kindergarten.18 And that's a premise I think, as19 Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez said, that20 I don't agree with. There is money in21 there that can be spent on full-day22 kindergarten instead of something it's23 being spent on in a $2.7 billion budget.24 Would you agree that there's money in the25 198 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 School District budget that is less2 effective to outcomes than full-day3 kindergarten?4

Dr. Ackerman

I don't know5 that I can say that. I think that6 certainly full-day kindergarten is7 important. This is -- you know, we're8 talking about -- I mean, I believe if we9 had ten years of what we put into Imagine10 2014, look at what we did with graduation11 rates. I mean, we are dealing with a12 whole system here. The budget reductions13 that we put on the table hurt across the14 board. And so the Accountability Block15 Grant cover all of kindergarten. We made16 a choice. We said half day. We don't17 want to do it, and I don't certainly want18 to pit one against the other. I could19 then start pitting full-day kindergarten20 against alternative programs, which we21 just said were important for young people22 who need a second chance.23 We're here to ask for help, and24 we have made some difficult choices.25 199 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 None of them are what we want. I'm an2 early childhood teacher. Believe me, I3 didn't want to make that cut, but I also4 know that -- and it's been now --5 research has proven that young people who6 are engaged in summer school don't go7 backwards. Young people who start who8 don't have activities in summer school9 regress.10 So you're asking us to make11 difficult decisions, and we're making12 them. You can disagree or agree with us,13 but we did the best we could and we're14 here today asking for help.15

Councilman Green

Right. And16 I think that there's been tremendous17 progress over the last few years in the18 School District, and I applaud you and19 your team for that. That's not the issue20 here. The issue is, we're making budget21 choices between things, and by funding22 something instead of all-day23 kindergarten, you're basically saying24 that that program is better than full-day25 200 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 kindergarten.2

Dr. Ackerman

I don't think3 we're saying that.4

Councilman Green

You've made5 a choice. You've made a choice.6

Mr. Masch

I mean, just to7 clarify and to repeat what we've tried to8 make clear before, the Governor decided9 to completely eliminate our funding10 source for that program. We had to cut11 25 million in other programs in order to12 restore half-day kindergarten. And I13 think if you look at our overall14 approach, recognizing that -- and I think15 the record of today makes clear, there16 are a number of critical things that we17 do. From the most important, which is18 what happens every day in every classroom19 in the City, to all of the supports that20 we try to wrap around that, whether it's21 social services or remedial programs or22 summer programs, programs for students23 with special needs and ELL or because of24 disabilities and all the supports, our25 201 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 approach was to try to spread the pain2 out rather than wholesale eliminations in3 some areas and complete preservation in4 others. I would say that that was the5 general approach.6 So we did not eliminate all7 gifted programs. We did not eliminate8 all athletic programs. And I say that9 not to say that -- we recognize on the10 part of you as members of Council and11 state legislators and the media and the12 public and everybody else in Philadelphia13 that each person may have made a14 different choice. The different members15 of our team made different choices, and16 ultimately Dr. Ackerman had to ref after17 hundreds of hours of debates among us. I18 mean, this is the final product. All I19 think we want to do is convey the20 thinking of the School District's21 management about how we went about this.22

Councilman Green

Right. And23 I'm asking you to explain the choice of24 spending 50 million on programs that are25 202 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 remaining from Imagine 2014 instead of2 funding everything that's gotten us up to3 where we were in 2009.4

Dr. Ackerman

Well, some of5 those choices have been reduced class6 sizes. We can take up it up to 31 to one7 if you want, and that would be another8 discussion that we have. Summer school9 is actually -- what we've done is10 reallocated our federal grants for that11 to keep that in place.12 So, I mean, we could get -- we13 could restore full-day kindergarten and14 we'd have to make some other difficult15 cuts.16

Councilman Green

What would17 you cut -- what's the first thing you'd18 cut to restore full-day kindergarten?19

Dr. Ackerman

I don't believe20 that I can sit here and say that. I21 think that this has come after months of22 discussions with the staff, and lots of23 people have been involved in this24 process.25 203 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Green

I think2 that's a fair answer, and I'm not going3 to put you on the spot --4

Dr. Ackerman

I appreciate5 that.6

Councilman Green

-- on that.7 So what I'd like you to do is provide the8 Chair with the priorities of cuts you9 would make to -- what choices you would10 make if Council's money was -- let me11 rephrase this. If you were to get no12 more funding and you had to restore13 full-day kindergarten because we helped14 you out with transportation, for example,15 what you would cut in order to keep16 full-day kindergarten, what you would cut17 in order to keep early childhood18 education. I'll just ask with respect to19 those two specific things in dollar20 amounts, but I have -- you mentioned21 class sizes. Other districts like in22 Charlotte and Mecklenburg, North Carolina23 School District reduced class sizes or24 continued reduced class sizes in all the25 204 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 lower grades, which academic studies say2 have a tremendous impact, and they3 increased much more significantly classes4 in high schools, because there's no data5 or evidence that shows that increased6 class sizes in the upper grades actually7 impact results, at least from the8 education studies that my office looked9 at. And so I'm curious why you wouldn't10 make a choice to do that, keep lower11 school classes small and upper school12 classes larger.13

Dr. Ackerman

That's exactly14 what we did.15

Councilman Green

Even above16 31.17

Dr. Ackerman

That's exactly18 what we did.19

Councilman Green

Is it?20

Dr. Ackerman

That's exactly21 what we did. We kept our lower size -- I22 mean, the lower grades, primary grades,23 the class sizes are still smaller. As we24 went up, we increased them. So that's25 205 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 exactly what we did.2

Councilman Green

So what are3 they going from?4

Dr. Ackerman

They're going5 anywhere from 23 to 24 to one, and some6 of our schools it's 20 to one, our7 empowerment school, up by three children.8

Councilman Green

And how9 about the upper schools?10

Dr. Ackerman

Those are pretty11 much -- we had focused on the lower12 grades.13

Councilman Green

So why not14 increase class size in the upper grades15 and not in the lower grades?16

Dr. Ackerman

Because we have17 a contract.18

Councilman Green

You'd have19 to negotiate that?20

Dr. Ackerman

We'd have to21 negotiate that.22

Councilman Green

Okay. But23 it is something that you would look at24 because, I mean, the data demonstrates25 206 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 that it makes a huge impact in lower2 grades --3

Dr. Ackerman

I agree.4

Councilman Green

-- and not5 much of an impact in the upper grades.6

Dr. Ackerman

I agree with7 you.8

Councilman Green

Okay. So9 ideally that would be something you would10 do if you could work it out?11

Dr. Ackerman

We'd have to get12 the union to come back to the table and13 discuss it for sure.14

Councilman Green

Which15 raises, I guess, an interesting point,16 which is that -- I apologize. I think17 that there's $75 million in your budget18 that is related to lowering costs or19 renegotiating with your contracts?20

Dr. Ackerman

Yes.21

Councilman Green

And there's22 $57 million in your budget that is23 related to --24

Councilman Jones

Point of25 207 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 information.2

Councilwoman Blackwell

Point3 of information, Councilman Jones.4

Councilman Jones

Thank you.5 My intern, who has attended6 full-time kindergarten, wants to know if7 we get paid by the word to ask all these8 questions in City Council, and I assured9 him that we don't, that I will attempt to10 be succinct in my point of information11 very quickly, if I will be allowed by my12 colleague. Thank you.13 On the issue of contract14 negotiations and savings, I think it was15 on where you cite said savings.16 Your assertion is that you are going to17 reopen the labor negotiations with the18 teachers?19

Dr. Ackerman

With the unions.20 That is what we would like to do. I'll21 let Dr. Nunery talk about that. And this22 is what's happening in school districts23 across Pennsylvania.24

Councilman Jones

And my point25 208 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 is that whether that is a welcomed2 circumstance by the union or not, are you3 also prepared -- how many professional4 services contracts do you have over the5 year, annual expenditure, how many6 consultancies with law firms, accounting7 firms and what does that dollar come to,8 and are you also putting on the table9 renegotiating those contracts?10

Dr. Ackerman

Yes.11 Absolutely.12

Dr. Nunery

Councilman, that's13 a great question. In terms of the --14 trying to figure out how to address you15 without turning my back to you.16 So in regards to the first17 question, we've already started our18 conversations with our partners across19 the unions. We've made some progress20 with some and not so much with others.21 And what we're trying to do is come up22 with the right bundle of contract23 re-openers, concessions and/or agreements24 so that we can reach that $75 million25 209 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 number. I don't want to --2

Councilman Jones

So is that3 $75 million all wage concessions by the4 unions or are we talking about5 contractors' concessions?6

Dr. Nunery

It's a combination7 of the two, and it also could involve8 some other things that we figured that9 would be more appealing; for example, the10 waiving a 12-month advance layoff notice11 could save a significant amount.12

Councilman Jones

I'm less13 concerned about -- I learned never get14 involved in labor negotiations as a15 legislator, but I will get involved in16 contract negotiations with consultants17 and law firms.18

Councilman Jones

What is the20 anticipated giveback concession from21 contractors, not labor?22

Dr. Nunery

So you're actually23 asking about the unions as well as on24 professional services side. I don't have25 210 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the exact number of professional services2 contracts we have, but what we are doing3 in our budget cuts, they anticipate4 contract eliminations altogether, outside5 counsel being cut.6

Councilman Jones

So what is7 that number?8

Dr. Nunery

You have to add9 up.10

Mr. Masch

I have it.11 Councilman, professional12 service contracts in the central13 offices -- most of our professional14 service contracts are for educational15 programs or support for operations. Only16 about $14 million is in the17 administrative budget. That's about 518 percent of the total administrative19 budget, and that is being cut more than20 in half. It's being cut about 6021 percent.22 In departments like Information23 Technology, Finance, the various central24 administrative office, Transportation,25 211 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 HR, all of what constitutes the Central2 Office. So there will be a reduction out3 of that of 7, 8 million plus, but that's4 not where we spend most of our contracted5 money. As you've heard in testimony6 today, the largest contracts in the7 District are the alternative education8 contracts. Our total professional9 service contracts are 129 million and all10 debt constitutes 49 million of that. The11 second largest is facilities, which is 2312 million, and most of that is the13 contracted out custodial services in our14 comprehensive high schools, which are15 performed under contract. The other16 contracts are in special education, and17 those are primarily for specialized18 medical and treatment services that we19 cannot provide in-house.20

Councilman Jones

Excuse me.21 Under -- and we may have different22 procurement standards than the City of23 Philadelphia. Under Class 200, which is24 your traditional consultants, what is25 212 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 your expenditure annually?2

Mr. Masch

The total3 expenditure consists of about 2804 million, but 65 million of that is5 payments to institutions where students6 from Philadelphia County are placed in7 full-time residential institutions.8

Councilman Jones

So that9 means you're about 130 in traditional10 consultancies?11

Mr. Masch

Correct. Right.12 And then after that, services to13 non-public schools are about 39 million.14 So 23 percent is payments to these15 institutions for educational services in16 those institutions. When DHS or the17 Family Court or CBH places a student in18 an institution, we have to provide the19 educational services. That's 65 million20 in contracts. That's 23 percent of our21 total contracting. Fourteen percent is22 payments for services to non-public23 schools, which are state mandated.24 Thirty-two million, 11 percent, is bus25 213 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 transportation. Sixteen million is in2 utilities. Those are largely fuel3 contracts. One million is for hospital4 and homebound instruction, which we5 contract out. And then, as I said, 406 million for the alternative education7 programs we've been testifying about8 today, 23 million primarily for9 contracted out consulting services, and I10 think I have gotten to about 75 percent.11 Then special ed is 3 percent. That's 912 million. Information technology, we have13 remote hosting for our IT services. So14 that's primarily that. All of our "P"15 data applications are all off site. So16 we do that under a contract. And then17 almost everything after that are for18 educational programs, 3 million for, for19 instance, our arts and other enrichment20 providers for summer programs, 3 million21 for extended-day programs for --22

Councilman Jones

Let me go23 line item. I'm losing that battle. Line24 item, how much for legal services?25 214 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Mr. Masch

Legal services,2 outside counsel is 1 percent of the3 contract budget, $2 million.4

Councilman Jones

How much is5 accounting services?6

Mr. Masch

Accounting7 services -- well, finance in total this8 year again is 1 percent of the budget, $29 million. Again, all of those things are10 going to be cut substantially next year.11 I know that in my office contracts, we12 cut 60 percent.13

Councilman Jones

By way of14 your Facilities Master Plan and your15 rightsizing of the School District, what16 does that represent by way of the17 appraised value of the properties that18 are vacant and/or for sale?19

Dr. Nunery

Councilman, we20 won't know that. We're just starting the21 appraisals or the reappraisals now. As I22 mentioned earlier, we had the first phase23 of that. Those buildings that have been24 empty or vacant for some time, we're25 215 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 going to appraise. At the moment we2 actually have the appraiser working3 today. So we'll be able to give you a4 better answer probably in the next few5 weeks.6

Councilman Jones

What was the7 last time -- was there ever an appraisal8 done?9

Dr. Nunery

There was, but10 it's been -- I don't know how many years.11

Councilman Jones

So what was12 it then and how many years ago?13

Dr. Nunery

I don't know. I14 don't have that number in front of me.15

Councilman Jones

Finally and16 I'm going to let this go --17

Mr. Archie

I think we budget18 $10 million.19

Dr. Nunery

So that was part20 of the answer. Some of them have never21 been appraised. They were closed and22 we've never gone to sale.23

Councilman Jones

So we have24 no sense of what that --25 216 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Nunery

What we have in2 our budget-closing plan, though, is $103 million roughly to say that's what we4 expect from closure of buildings and5 sales that we hope to net during this6 year.7

Councilman Jones

All right.8 And then my final point on my point of9 information, which my colleague was so10 gracious to allow me, is that when we11 look at these proposed funding cuts from12 Harrisburg and there was a list of poorer13 districts to richer districts and the14 percentage of cuts, to me just on the15 surface and not being an attorney, we are16 being discriminated against. When we17 look at counties like Upper Dublin and18 Montgomery County where they're being19 only cut $97 per student versus20 Philadelphia County with $1,438 per21 student, where Philadelphia has a poverty22 concentration of 61 percent, closing in23 on 62 if we round it out, if my public24 school education allows me to round up,25 217 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 and in places like Radnor, 6 percent; in2 Upper Dublin, 9 percent.3 Some of us here in this body4 think that that's somehow discriminatory.5 I mean, I don't understand the logic in6 this formula.7

Dr. Nunery

Nor do we.8

Councilman Kenney

Just a9 point of information.10

Councilwoman Blackwell

Excuse11 me. We have a point of information on12 our point of information.13

Councilman Kenney

It will be14 a short one. It's based on Councilman15 Jones' line of questioning.16 Just hypothetically, if the17 cuts that were being suggested in Upper18 Dublin, Wissahickon, Lower Merion,19 Tredyffrin and Radnor were the same cuts20 they're recommending for us, would we be21 here talking about this?22

Councilman Kenney

So if they24 were equitable to the cuts as they are to25 218 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the cuts in the richer districts, we2 wouldn't have this problem?3

Dr. Nunery

We would not.4

Councilman Kenney

I want to5 just state for the record that it's not6 just Philadelphia. Chester Upland;7 Duquesne City, Allegheny County; York8 City, Harrisburg; Clairton City,9 Allegheny County; and Philadelphia, they10 all have something in common, they're all11 poor, they're all urban -- most of them12 are urban -- and they're all going13 through some really serious economic14 problems for a long time now. And to15 eliminate or suggest that those cuts that16 you see in the lower level are in any way17 equitable and any way fair or in any way18 going to guarantee that the kids in this19 city have a chance to do well and not20 wind up incarcerated or worse, then I21 think that that states volumes.22 So I just wanted to make that23 point on top of Councilman Jones' point,24 that it is appalling to look at those25 219 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 numbers. Appalling.2

Councilman Jones

And we3 understand, conversely, we're going to4 pay one way or another. We're going to5 pay now or we're going to pay when --6 we're going to build schools or we're7 going to build prisons, and it's a real8 simple formula.9 So you're taking the blunt of10 this today, and we realize this and you11 realize this, and that's -- we're big12 boys and girls. We get paid to do this.13 But at the end of the day, we're going to14 stop pointing the fingers each way and15 start pointing the fingers where they16 need to be pointed and hold people17 accountable for it.18 (Applause.)19

Councilman Jones

Thank you,20 Madam Chair.21

Dr. Nunery

I think that's one22 of the reasons why the conversation from23 Councilman Green is so important, because24 in terms of trying to make a series of25 220 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 forced choices, you still want to try, no2 matter how much pain there is, to make3 sure everybody gets something out of it.4 We've got principals calling us5 every day asking if they can save one job6 because -- whether it be music at7 Shawmont or Bache-Martin or go down the8 list, Roxborough. Everybody is asking9 for the same thing, is there enough money10 to save this one job, because at Shawmont11 the music program is so fantastic the12 kids go off to GAMP, they go off to all13 other kinds of schools.14 So I think what we're saying15 is, we're trying to do this and level it16 and not be so -- we don't also want to be17 disproportionate if we can avoid doing18 that. But we know that this pain that19 we're seeing and feeling is not -- this20 is not theoretical. This is21 quantifiable. This is factual.22

Councilman Jones

Thank you,23 Madam Chair, and thank you, Councilman24 Green, for your indulgence.25 221 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank2 you.3 Councilman Green.4

Councilman Green

Thank you,5 Madam Chair.6 I appreciate the profound7 commitment all of you have to the8 children of the City, and I appreciate9 your patience and that you've been here10 all day. I want to assure you that the11 questions that I'm asking you are the12 same questions I ask every department as13 they come before the City of Philadelphia14 and ask us for resources.15 The ability to understand and16 measure the outcomes of the dollars that17 we decide to appropriate or invest in a18 particular purpose is the purpose of19 these questions, and there is no other20 purpose. And so I just wanted to make21 that clear, and I hope we can have this22 discussion more than once a year in terms23 of outcomes and other things.24 And before I get back to25 222 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 questions, along that line in terms of2 measuring outcomes for our expenditures,3 I'd like to ask you, not today, but to4 provide the Chair with the information we5 discussed yesterday in the briefing,6 which is if you could please provide the7 AYP students at grade average, SPI -- or8 SIP, I guess it is --9

Councilman Green

SPI, and the11 breakdown of each SPI measurement for12 each school individually rather than in13 aggregate categories in the City, so that14 we can look at the data, understand it15 and slice and dice it ourselves and reach16 our own conclusion independently, and I17 would appreciate that. We'll get that to18 the Chair?19

Dr. Nunery

Sure. Absolutely,20 yes.21

Councilman Green

Okay.22 Great. So the question -- I guess before23 I get to the question I was asking, are24 we at the cap for high school class size25 223 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 in the budget you propose?2

Mr. Masch

Well, in this3 sense: There is no class that is higher4 than 33 students in a classroom.5 However, if in a particular school in a6 particular grade in a particular subject7 there only are 24 students, then there8 are 24 students in that class. I think9 one of the things that Dr. Ackerman and10 Dr. Nunery are trying to point out is,11 the goal that the SRC has set for us in12 the Facilities Master Plan is to raise13 our average occupancy, and that will make14 our schools more efficient, and that will15 probably have the effect of raising16 average class sizes in some schools. But17 we fill each class and provide a teacher.18 If in a particular classroom there are no19 more students, we don't make the students20 go and leave the school and go to another21 school just so we can get to the 33.22

Councilman Green

I understand23 that. I mean, the parochial schools for24 ten years have been making very painful25 224 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 decisions, closing elementary schools,2 closing down high schools, North Catholic3 most recently, that meant a lot to the4 communities they were in, and it was a5 heart-wrenching process, and still is,6 that they're going through, and if you7 look at the trends now where one-quarter8 of the students are charter school9 students, we can imagine a School10 District ten years from now where less11 than 100,000 students are in12 District-operated schools, especially13 given the legal decision that recently14 came down that lifts the cap on charter15 school enrollment. And I just think that16 it's time, and it wasn't done before you17 were there, but it is now time to be18 serious about that work. I don't know19 what else to say about it.20

Dr. Ackerman

Are you talking21 about school closure?22

Councilman Green

I'm talking23 about closing schools where it's not24 efficient to have a school and25 225 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 rightsizing the District's buildings to2 the number of students, not just that it3 has today but that we project it will4 have ten years from now.5

Dr. Nunery

Councilman, so6 what we've been doing and we've been7 explaining to the public is along those8 lines, that there are areas of the City9 that have some schools overpopulated,10 some underpopulated. What we want to get11 to in a rightsizing policy is to correct12 for that and to look forward at what the13 projected demographics are like,14 anticipate charter school growth, the15 fact that vouchers may come into16 existence, and we don't know exactly when17 that may be, and the fact that cyber18 charters are also growing. So the whole19 delivery of public education is changing.20 So what we intend to do is look at not21 only how buildings are configured, but22 grade configurations, boundary changes,23 closures, renovations, consolidations,24 seven or eight different options that we25 226 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 can work with.2 What we don't want to do is the3 problem that we referenced earlier, and4 that is just turn the lights off on5 buildings and leave them blank, because I6 think that doesn't serve the public well.7 And we've been working with the City,8 with PIDC and other agencies to start9 talking about what the right way is to10 treat those buildings, where we can sell11 them, what we're able to sell, et cetera.12

Councilman Green

I understand13 that, but in terms of the consolidation14 plan, it can't be driven by those15 external concerns. You've got to save16 money within the District so that you17 have money for children, and that's going18 to involve a painful process that was19 avoided at Lincoln and other places, my20 recollection is. It's hard work and21 nobody wants to do it, but --22

Dr. Nunery

We're taking it23 on.24

Councilman Green

And once25 227 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 again, I'm not trying to be at all2 negative or critical, but we've been3 talking about a Facilities Master Plan4 and getting a copy of it since my first5 School District hearing in 2008, and it's6 just come out, and it's time to act on it7 at this point.8 So I was talking about the 579 million in charter school budget relief10 and 75 million in DSP labor contract11 re-openers, which is $132 million. So12 what is your plan if these savings do not13 come to fruition?14

Mr. Masch

Well, Councilman,15 in the Budget and Brief document that16 we've provided to you, we do point out17 that there are elements of this budget18 that are not within our control and that19 it is possible that there might be20 additional spending reductions that we21 would have to make in order to achieve a22 balanced budget.23 We've also tried to suggest24 that those -- given the cuts that have25 228 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 already been made, that those will be2 very unpleasant choices. So we're hoping3 that we can, by alerting the public, the4 media, civic leadership and our own5 parents, convince not only this body but6 also working with other school districts,7 the State Legislature, that the cuts have8 gone as far as they can go.9 We're also highlighting the10 charter school element, because we have a11 unique problem here. The charter school12 law requires us to increase funding for13 charter schools next year, because the14 funding is based on our enrollment and15 our expenditures this year. It's clear16 that the charter school law never17 anticipated a situation in which revenues18 might drop by 10 or 15 percent in a19 single year. So when that provision was20 adopted, it made sense, but now it has21 put us in this very inequitable situation22 where all of the cuts that we have to23 recommend are to the schools that three24 out of every four Philadelphia public25 229 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 school students attend and no cuts are2 imposed on one out of four.3 Now, we think the best solution4 to that is to reverse the Governor's5 recommendation on cutting charter school6 funding, that if it's a positive thing,7 which we're hearing from Harrisburg, that8 we have one of the largest networks of9 charter schools in the country, that10 that's worthy of support. But is that11 guaranteed? It is not guaranteed. And12 we've been very straightforward, and13 that's why we made a point of putting the14 page in the budget document that said it15 could get worse and here's why and here16 are some of the things that we'd have to17 contemplate. But the things that are18 left are, as I said, wholesale19 eliminations that we've been trying to20 avoid. So eliminating the entire21 instrumental music program would save us22 6.7 million. Eliminating the entire23 athletics program would save us 7.124 million.25 230 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Green

I'm not2 trying --3

Mr. Masch

Those are the4 things we'd have to do.5

Councilman Green

I'm not6 trying to go through all of them, and I7 understand your policy position, and I8 agree with you completely. The state9 should continue reimbursement of charter10 schools, not just at 57 million but at11 the amount they did last year. So we are12 completely aligned on that. The13 question -- and I'll ask you to provide14 the answer to the Chair -- is what you're15 going to cut if that funding doesn't come16 through, if you don't get 75 million in17 concessions, so that it's on the record18 for us and for everybody else to19 understand what it is the choice is.20 Have you seen the memo I think21 we all received this morning from Parents22 United for Public Education?23

Councilman Green

They sent it25 231 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 to members of City Council and a group of2 other people. It basically has a bunch3 of contractual spending, including4 671,000 on communications contracts. It5 mentions a seven-person communications6 office with 170,000 chief communications7 officers, four deputies at 139, three8 staff who earn over $100,000, and then in9 addition to that, 671,000 in consulting10 contracts. It talks about 2.2 million11 for a program called Achieve 3000, which12 we spent nothing on three years ago, and13 a bunch of other savings that -- or14 expenses, and you may have already cut15 some of these or that may be the plan to16 cut some of this in the administrative17 budget, but it seems to me that they've18 identified a number of things that are19 worthy of considered cuts which would20 provide money for, say, early childhood21 education or full-day kindergarten that22 ought to be considered before we cut23 those programs. So I will refer you to24 that and be happy to get you a copy of25 232 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 this.2

Dr. Ackerman

And I'd like to3 say that most of the things that you just4 mentioned have already been considered in5 this budget. We've cut every Central6 Office budget and programs and contract7 by at least 50 percent.8

Councilman Green

Yeah. And9 all they had was last year's data.10

Dr. Ackerman

I see. It was11 last year? I thought that was this year.12

Councilman Green

And so I13 guess, finally, I know this is a hard14 year for all of us. I want to thank you15 for the thought that you put into this.16 It is a lot of great thought. It's a lot17 of great work. The Administration does18 that every year. They come to Council.19 We don't always agree with the priorities20 with the spending things and we make21 changes, and I hope you take what we're22 doing in that light. We all have, I23 think, you and we, the School District24 and the City of Philadelphia, the best25 233 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 interest of the children at heart, and I2 really want to work together in a3 collaborative way to help solve some of4 these problems over the next month while5 we put the budget together.6 So thank you very much for your7 testimony.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank9 you.10 Before we return to Councilman11 Jones, let me ask a question with regard12 to noontime aides and food service13 workers. Rumor has it that 650 noontime14 aides could be cut, 130 food service15 workers. Can you tell us how many there16 are in total? We're told that we could17 have a cut -- this could mean a 4018 percent cut for safety in cafeterias and19 also that noontime aides are already now20 working as former -- are already working21 in security as NTAs and police positions22 have been cut. We understand that with23 regard in this area, you had worker 1, 2,24 utility worker and cook, and now you're25 234 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 talking about one position and some of2 these being cut.3 Could you give us some4 information on that? They have been5 rumoring before we heard about this6 budget that they would get layoff letters7 effective June 1st.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

So10 we're hoping all of that is not so.11 Could you give us the numbers over these12 positions?13

Mr. Masch

First of all, in14 terms of noontime aides, it is -- I want15 to explain something about the budget16 that we presented to you. The budget17 that we presented to you, when it comes18 to school-based positions, was our best19 projection on April 27th when we were20 legally mandated to present a budget. We21 did not yet at that time have all of the22 school budgets submitted by all of the23 principals. So I want to caution that24 these numbers may -- now that we've25 235 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 gotten all the budgets in, our Budget2 Office is actually updating all this for3 the School Reform Commission's vote on4 the budget next Tuesday. But in our5 projection, knowing that we had 1,6686 noontime aides in this current year,7 budgeted positions, our projection was8 that we would see a reduction of 645 of9 those positions based on the way that10 they're distributed among schools and the11 cuts that were occurring in school12 budgets. So it may be more or it may be13 less than that, because this is one of14 those positions that principals can15 actually influence in terms of the size16 of the complement.17 There are reductions18 anticipated for food services as well19 that I think Dr. Nunery could speak to in20 more detail, but basically would involve21 our expanding pre-plating and doing some22 other things that would improve23 efficiency but would not compromise24 safety in any way. The fact is that we25 236 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 do run presently a food service deficit2 and we need to eliminate it, and that is3 a budget-balancing measure as well, even4 though food service is budgeted in a5 separate fund. If there's any deficit in6 that fund, it has to be covered in the7 General Fund of the School District, and8 that if we don't eliminate that deficit,9 it contributes to the overall School10 District deficit. So food service cannot11 be exempt from the same kind of12 cost-containment exercise that we've done13 elsewhere.14

Councilwoman Blackwell

But we15 are also told that where you had16 youngsters receiving fresh food, now they17 get that like frozen food because you get18 rid of people, even when they have full19 kitchens in schools, that with this --20

Councilman Goode

Point of21 information.22

Councilwoman Blackwell

Point23 of information, Councilman Goode.24

Councilman Goode

Thank you,25 237 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Madam Chair.2 Mr. Masch, I believe your first3 response to Councilwoman Blackwell was4 that these decisions were made by the5 principals themselves and they were6 school-based decisions. Then the second7 statement you made was that you had to8 reduce the overall food service expense.9 So which is it?10

Mr. Masch

I'm talking about11 two different things. The first12 statement was referring to noontime13 aides. The food services in schools are14 administered centrally by the Division of15 Food Service.16

Councilman Goode

So it's17 both?18

Dr. Nunery

So it is both.19

Councilman Goode

So were20 decisions made to cut those aides made by21 principals or were they made by Central22 Administration?23

Mr. Masch

Any adjustment in24 noontime aides is made by principals out25 238 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 of the discretionary funds that they2 have.3

Councilman Goode

The second4 part of the question is, with regard to a5 deficit in the food service, you're6 talking about a food service contract?7

Mr. Masch

No. The food8 service operation is, in terms of the9 staff, it's completely provided with10 School District employees. Obviously we11 have contractors for bulk purchases of12 food and also some pre-plating as well.13

Councilman Goode

You do have14 food service contracts?15

Mr. Masch

We do have food16 service contracts, but the food service17 operations in our buildings are run --18 are serviced by School District19 employees.20

Councilman Goode

And do you21 know if you can find any savings in the22 actual food service contracts?23

Mr. Masch

Pardon me?24

Councilman Goode

Do you know25 239 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 if you can find savings in the actual2 food service contracts?3

Mr. Masch

We can and we have.4

Councilman Goode

I'm talking5 about additional savings.6

Mr. Masch

We can, we did, and7 we are doing more.8

Councilman Goode

Okay. I can9 tell you from the history of the City,10 one of the things that came up in11 discussion of several different12 departments, Department of Recreation, is13 we actually are finding savings there.14 We're also finding opportunities for work15 there for people, because when we16 contract out those things that we can17 keep here. And I want to get into18 discussion of who your food service19 contracts are with, but we take that very20 serious when we talk about cutting and21 you begin to cut at the most vulnerable22 places. And so we are for contracting23 with Philadelphia, but even before that,24 we're for providing work to Philadelphia25 240 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 citizens if that is an option.2 Thank you, Madam Chair.3

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank4 you very much.5

Mr. Masch

Our target for6 reductions in those areas in food7 service, I just looked up, in food8 materials and supplies is a $1.9 million9 target for next year.10

Councilwoman Blackwell

How11 many food service workers are there?12

Mr. Masch

Hold on a second.13 Eight hundred and thirteen in the Food14 Services Division.15

Councilwoman Blackwell

And16 the April 27th info said that you were17 talking about cutting 130 food service18 workers, albeit you have kitchens and19 people who prepare good food and20 wholesome food and that they would be21 taking just the frozen food into the22 schools where these young people are used23 to food in these two areas, and, again,24 they talk about the security in25 241 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 lunchrooms and such being cut about 402 percent due to these issues, and we3 really are concerned about those cuts.4

Mr. Masch

Councilwoman, I'm5 not sure where this information is coming6 from, but while there are cost savings,7 measures in this budget for food8 services, there is no planned budgeted9 reduction in the complement for food10 services. So the 800-plus number that I11 gave you is budgeted for next year at the12 same level as this year.13

Councilwoman Blackwell

All14 right. So food service workers are okay.15 And now noontime aides, what are you16 telling me about that? I'm happy food17 service workers are not cut.18

Mr. Masch

I'm saying that19 schools -- principals and, where they are20 active, School Advisory Councils, with21 parents who work with the principals,22 need to make decisions about which staff23 they're going to allocate, and we do24 anticipate that because of the reductions25 242 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 in school budgets, that some principals2 are going to eliminate those positions,3 because, again -- it will be perhaps a4 bad alternative, but they've determined5 that there are worse cuts that they would6 have to make elsewhere in the school7 budget.8

Councilwoman Blackwell

But9 then they'll need more security, more10 NTAs, more police officers. So as old11 folks say, you cut your nose despite your12 face.13 We ask you to consider that.14 We had hearings, and we realize there are15 cuts, so we won't have -- we introduced16 resolutions that were passed by this17 Council, and one of them was to ensure18 that every child has a library program.19 I told Dr. Ackerman that I would not have20 those hearings now due to these cuts, but21 those cuts and students have library22 programs occurred when principals had to23 choose between an English teacher and a24 math teacher, when I'm told when Ridge25 243 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 was Governor and principals were allowed2 to provide the cuts. Such a bad system.3 It's such a bad system that says children4 can go to public schools and not have a5 library and not have books. And so6 sometimes principals are told they have7 to choose unfairly. And I submit having8 noontime aides is not going to be cost9 effective, because it's going to create10 so many other issues in lunchrooms where11 students eat lunch and that this is12 something we really, really need to look13 at. It will cost you more in another end14 if you don't have aides in the lunchroom.15 (Applause.)16

Councilwoman Blackwell

So we17 hope that you'll look at that and maybe18 you will get back to us.19 So on June 1st -- and that was20 from former information. There's no21 letter, layoff letter, coming out on June22 1st; am I correct?23

Dr. Ackerman

There are layoff24 letters coming out on June 1st.25 244 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Thirty-eight hundred people will get2 letters.3 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:4 Thirty-eight hundred people will get5 letters on June 1st that they'll be laid6 off?7

Dr. Ackerman

June 6th, the8 week of June 6th, 3,800 people under this9 current budget proposal will get letters.10 There's a variety, from noontime aides,11 to teachers, to the Central Office12 managers, Central Office staff.13

Mr. Masch

Bus drivers,14 secretaries.15

Dr. Ackerman

Everybody.16 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:17 Frightening, 3,800 people.18 All right. Councilman Jones, I19 have nothing to say after that comment.20 Your turn.21

Councilman Jones

Thank you,22 Madam Chair. Again, I'll have an attempt23 to be brief.24 My concern is on vocational25 245 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 training and finding out -- I believe in2 your budget testimony you state that we3 are looking at 30 percent -- I think it's4 on -- 30 percent cuts by way of5 vocational training.6 While you look up that, I will7 make a statement and say that there are8 many measurements by which we determine9 the success of our product, which is our10 graduates. One of them is their academic11 scores. Another one of them is how they12 matriculate into colleges, universities.13 But a real simple one is upon graduation,14 how many wind up with a paying job. And15 vocational training offers that pathway16 to real work right now and helps all of17 society, particularly for them to have a18 vision of success that my parents, your19 parents had, that at the end of the day,20 they would graduate, get a job, raise a21 family, those kinds of traditional22 values.23 When you start talking about24 cutting those values, every one of us25 246 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 isn't necessarily headed for college.2 All of us aren't going to Harvard. All3 of us -- but all of us deserve a future.4 I say that to say that I'm5 concerned about those projected cuts, and6 I want to point out some potential7 collaborations. Thanks to all of our8 efforts, including the President, we9 might be just maybe, cross our fingers,10 knock on wood, seeing the end of the11 recession. I make note of that because12 there are companies coming back to13 Philadelphia. I won't name the car14 company, but it is a car restoration15 company with 100 jobs heading into16 Hunting Park in Mr. Clarke and my17 districts, shared in that proximity.18 There's a trade school called19 Dobbins and Randolph right near there.20 They want things from the City,21 concessions from the City. We are22 prepared to give them all kinds of23 concessions, but one of the things they24 will do for us if we create that25 247 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 synergy -- and you took the tour over at2 Randolph when you first got here -- is3 put them in touch with those kinds of4 students that would be willing to make5 those kinds of partnerships that could6 get that kind of vocational mentorship,7 on-the-job training connection.8 So when you start telling me9 that 30 percent of that, I get worried,10 and I look at the numbers that you're11 talking about. We're talking about 73012 students in culinary arts, and that's13 good, that's important. We have over a14 thousand restaurants here in the City of15 Philadelphia. That's good. But we also16 have some of the best hospitals on the17 East Coast, and we only have 337 -- what18 is that, 394 students in health tech.19 That's a disparity that -- when you start20 talking about 30 percent cuts, where is21 that going to come from and who is it22 going to impact?23

Dr. Ackerman

This is a24 supplemental fund. Actually, CTE25 248 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 programs is something that we're really2 focusing on, trying to shore up those3 programs. We have a lot of CTE classes4 and we have actually some fine programs,5 like at Randolph and some of the other6 vocational ed schools, career tech7 schools. What we're finding, though, is8 we're losing money at the state because9 the young people aren't leaving those10 programs with certifications. So this is11 some supplemental money.12 What we're trying to do is13 reposition those programs, have fewer of14 the courses and more concentrated15 programs in some designated schools.16 We're calling them Centers of Excellence.17 So that young people can get18 certifications and get into the jobs and19 we can get more money back from the20 state.21 We're losing about $3 million22 every year because our young people23 aren't -- they're in the programs and24 courses, but they aren't getting25 249 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 certification. So this is not to the2 core program.3

Councilman Jones

So where4 does the 30 percent cut come from?5

Mr. Masch

So this is a6 supplementary about $6 to $7 million of7 additional funding beyond the core8 budgets of our CTE schools. The core9 budgets of our CTE schools just for10 instruction are 263 million next year,11 just to put that in perspective. But12 this is not a 30 percent service cut,13 because as we've noted in the Budget and14 Brief, some of the teaching15 responsibilities are going to be shifted16 to existing staff, because this has been17 supplemental, and some of the savings18 will be realized by eliminating19 paraprofessional positions and20 maintaining the teacher positions. So21 even in this supplemental program, we're22 going to try to preserve as much service23 as we can, but this is not -- I don't24 want anyone to think this is a 30 percent25 250 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 cut in the School District of2 Philadelphia's career and technical3 education programs. It is not.4

Councilman Jones

If I were to5 get that CEO of the car company that6 wants to do restoration of cars, then7 send them out on leases, these are 1008 jobs, who do I send them to in the School9 Board to make that connection?10

Dr. Ackerman

You would send11 them to our Deputy for Secondary School12 Reform, Ted Thompson, who is behind me, I13 think. He's sitting behind me. There he14 is.15

Councilman Jones

Ted, are you16 back there?17

Dr. Nunery

Right there.18

Councilman Jones

Okay.19 Because we want to make that connection,20 and I think it's important in the short21 run, but I think it's important in the22 long run as we start to look at what23 contributions these companies are willing24 to make, which takes us into naming25 251 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 rights, that if in fact we create a2 demand for auto mechanics, which you need3 almost a Bachelor's degree to4 understand -- back in the day it would be5 nothing to see Bill Greenlee in the back6 of his driveway changing his spark plugs,7 but now he needs a computer and -- I8 mean, you know, things have changed. But9 if we can make these connections early,10 these companies are willing to make11 commitments to you, which therefore makes12 commitments to our young people, which13 helps increase our bottom line as a14 government.15 So it's important that we make16 these connects and not lose, because what17 we see in these schools and what we see18 on our streets in violence is because19 they know -- some of them don't believe20 they'll ever get to the campus of21 Harvard. So if you take away their22 dream, then they become a nightmare.23

Dr. Ackerman

We're24 absolutely --25 252 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Jones

So we need2 to deal with that.3

Dr. Ackerman

-- with you4 here, and what you'll see even in the5 midst of the budget reductions is a real6 focus on more CTE programs where young7 people leaving our school system with8 certificates having -- as opposed to9 having gone through CTE programs,10 sometimes for four years, and all they11 have is a diploma.12

Councilman Jones

All right.13 And we're working with the colleges,14 universities, technical schools to create15 that?16

Dr. Ackerman

We have a team17 of people, including some of the local18 colleges and IT programs, but I -- what's19 the man -- Mr. Clyde Hornberger, who runs20 the Allentown Training Center --21

Councilman Jones

We were22 encouraged by Mr. Archie and the Mayor's23 visit to Allentown, and one of the things24 that stuck in my mind, Mr. Archie, was25 253 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 the fact that the Allentown School Board2 buys the products that are produced by3 the vocational schools. Is there a plan4 that maybe in doing so, we give young5 people a craft, but we also reduce our6 procurement liability and payments? Is7 that underway?8

Dr. Ackerman

Yeah. That's9 why we have him working with us, to see10 if we can --11

Councilman Jones

Did we steal12 him from Allentown or something?13

Dr. Ackerman

No, we didn't14 steal him from Allentown, but we have had15 Mr. Hornberger working with us on a16 long-range plan, and that plan we hope17 will be developed more fully over the18 course of the next year. What we're19 doing this year is actually reducing the20 number of courses. You see that we have21 a lot of young people who are in, for22 instance, culinary arts, but they're not23 leaving -- they're not in full certified24 programs. So we're saying, you know25 254 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 what, we're going to reduce the number of2 culinary art courses and at these3 designated Schools of Excellence, young4 people can go there and know that they5 will leave with a certificate.6

Councilman Jones

Dr.7 Ackerman, we'd like to work with you.8

Dr. Ackerman

We'd be happy to9 work with you.10

Councilman Jones

This body11 passed the Intern Tax Credit law, which12 gives private-sector people incentives,13 tax incentives, to hire these young14 people and give them what we would call a15 stipend. We'd love to pull together16 logistically as they ask these17 Councilpeople for their support to bring18 these establishments in the City.19 Irrespective of what people think, this20 is a great place to locate your business.21 We are within one day's truck ride of22 one-third of the country's population.23 Do not get it twisted. This is a good24 city. And so as they start to come in25 255 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 and realize that, we want to pair them to2 you almost to create that synergy. All3 right? Thank you.4 Thank you, Madam Chair.5

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank6 you.7 Councilman Kenney, you haven't8 had a chance today, so we'll let you go9 next and then we'll go back to our --10

Councilman Kenney

Thank you,11 Madam Chair.12 First of all, I want to thank13 you for being here all day. We know how14 important this is, and you don't mind15 doing it, but it's a long day.16 I want to apologize for not17 being here this morning. I had a18 longstanding 16-year commitment to speak19 at Roman Catholic High School, which I've20 done every year for 16 years. So I want21 to let you know where I was. I just22 wasn't hanging out in the hallway.23 I want to try to encapsulate24 this whole conversation to a degree.25 256 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 What is the full amount -- let me go back2 for a second, because I made some comment3 earlier about the cuts to poor districts4 and the cuts to rich districts.5 What is the projected surplus6 of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for7 this year?8

Mr. Masch

As of the end of9 April, state tax collections were 53010 million over the Governor's estimate. In11 other words, the Governor has projected a12 balanced budget this year with 53013 million less that has come in already.14 Now, we still have two more months to go.15 April is the highest collection month.16 However, May is the second highest17 collection month. So it is possible that18 by the end of June, the surplus, although19 the Governor doesn't want to call it a20 surplus, the surplus could be over 53021 million. But there's 530 million in the22 bank, not in this year's state budget,23 not in next year's state budget, already24 in the state's bank account.25 257 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Kenney

And I've2 heard as much, unofficially, as much as3 800 million.4

Mr. Masch

Eight hundred is5 entirely possible.6

Councilman Kenney

Which makes7 those numbers even more unconscionable,8 but that's another story.9 How much money are you being10 asked to absorb in cuts totally, both11 state and federal?12

Mr. Masch

About $400 million,13 292 of state cuts and 113 of federal.14

Councilman Kenney

We've all15 committed and we're going to continue to16 do our best to get those state cuts17 reduced so that there's less impact, and18 we're going to talk to SEPTA and try to19 do that little arrangement to save some20 additional dollars.21 How many hours have you spent22 on that document that we're dealing with?23 As difficult as that document is, how24 many hours have you and your staff spent25 258 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 on it? How many days? You can give me2 days, you can give me weeks.3

Dr. Ackerman

Hundreds of4 hours.5

Councilman Kenney

Hundreds of6 hours. How many people have had their7 hands on that document dealing with8 recommending cuts and levels of cuts, all9 this stuff?10

Dr. Nunery

Councilman Kenney,11 you see a great deal of them back here,12 and principals included.13

Councilman Kenney

But all14 educational professionals.15

Dr. Nunery

Educational,16 operational.17

Councilman Kenney

Working18 literally hundreds of hours to examine a19 document that we're in a situation to20 deal with beyond our control at this21 point. So there are some things we can22 do to mitigate this stuff with our23 legislative delegation, with the24 Governor, whoever. You're not going to25 259 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 kick him too hard yet because we want to2 see if he can maybe make that better,3 but -- and all the other things we're4 doing. And you're asking us for 755 million; is that the number?6

Dr. Ackerman

75 to 100.7

Councilman Kenney

75 to 100.8 I like to go on the low end. It makes9 life easier. But 75 to 100 million.10

Council President Verna

110.13

Councilman Kenney

I'm sorry?14

Council President Verna

110.15

Councilman Kenney

All right,16 75 to 110, or somewhere in there.17 And if we don't do it, we're18 going to lose the major portions -- the19 all-day kindergarten is going to get20 half, all this stuff we've talked about,21 transportation, alternative schools, all22 that stuff. So in the end, the decision23 is whether we decide to provide it or we24 don't.25 260 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Ackerman

Right.2

Councilman Kenney

And you can3 profess all your love for children. You4 can profess your love of public5 education. You can profess anything you6 like, but when push comes to shove, you7 need to do the heavy lift and sometimes8 make a decision that's not popular, but9 that you think might be right. Because I10 can't imagine these young children and11 older children, but mostly younger12 children it really would affect, I guess,13 the most, dealing with these cuts.14 Now, I don't know what form15 this help is going to come in and I don't16 know what combination of revenue sources17 or assistance or whatever it is, but at18 the end of the day, either we decide as a19 group to provide that help or we don't.20 And no profession of wonderfulness is21 ever going to make that choice any22 easier, or if you decide not to do it, to23 make these cuts any palatable, less24 palatable than they are already.25 261 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 So I think in the end, I2 understand all the work you put into it.3 I understand how difficult these choices4 are, and I understand how difficult our5 job is, because we wouldn't be here if6 the job wasn't difficult, but in the end,7 I'm hoping to be able to help you get8 where you want to be. And I do9 appreciate your patience and your help10 and your hard work, and I do want to say11 for -- I said this in the briefing12 yesterday. No one in this briefing room13 or in this Chamber can argue that the14 improvements in the School District over15 the last number of years have been16 substantial. When it comes to the test17 scores of our children, they are going18 up, and they're going up dramatically.19 So it's our choice in the end,20 but I just think that we can talk and21 talk and talk and talk some more, but in22 the end, you're going to have to decide23 whether you want to lift it or you don't24 want to lift it, and that's where I think25 262 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 we're at. So good luck, and we hope to2 be able to be there for you.3

Dr. Ackerman

Thank you.4

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank5 you.6 Councilwoman Brown.7

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you,8 Madam Chair.9 This has been a marathon, and I10 am going to abbreviate, severely11 abbreviate, a line of questioning and12 comments and simply put Councilman13 Kenney's remarks in bold letters,14 underscored, with exclamation points. I15 join him and others who are committed to16 us figuring it out. And as he has said,17 we don't know yet what that will look18 like. It will end up with a combination19 of ideas and proposals, but that's why we20 ask to come here, so that we can21 participate in complex decision-making.22 So I say that for the record.23 A few comments. I want to24 underscore Councilwoman Donna Reed25 263 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Miller's request for charter schools, and2 my reason for asking that is, very often3 we get calls from parents who are seeking4 help, guidance and referrals around5 charter schools. So when we can provide6 them accurate, informed information about7 what's really happening academic at those8 schools, it helps us help them better.9 If we rewind back to where10 Councilman Goode started this morning and11 now having come back, to have a more12 clarified, real number on what your needs13 are informs how we go forward. So that I14 think needed to happen, because now we15 know what priorities we care about.16 The good news I think is you17 came with some priorities. There are18 many of us who agree with these19 priorities, particularly on full-day20 kindergarten. I think that's21 non-negotiable and is not even a22 conversation when we look at what23 research tells us.24 Also, the Parents United for25 264 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 Public Education also stipulate what2 their priorities are, full-day3 kindergarten and restoring free4 transportation for all school-age5 students. So the question to that is,6 given where there's great alignment from7 a number of different stakeholders, what8 has been the process where parents have9 been engaged in helping you figure out10 what the priorities have been? If you11 could just speak to that briefly for the12 record.13

Dr. Ackerman

We did have a14 series of budget hearings before we15 started this process and we asked parents16 and community members to prioritize for17 us. That's why I think you're seeing18 some agreement. And we've gone back out19 and we've pretty much -- as hard as it20 was trying to make these awful decisions21 about what to put in the budget reduction22 cuts, one of the things that -- I mean,23 the things that you see there were the24 things that parents -- that were25 265 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 important to them. Class sizes stayed2 small. They said that. Full-day3 kindergarten, we didn't know that was4 going to be even an issue, because we5 thought we were going to get that block6 grant back in the budget this year. But7 they talked about art and music being8 important, lower class sizes. Safety was9 an issue for them and enrichment, summer10 school. Because our summer school last11 year was not only something that was good12 for young people and the young people who13 did go did show they didn't regress as14 much as those that did not and it didn't15 matter where they were on the16 instructional continuum, if they were17 behind, if they were on grade level. So18 there was an economic, social value to19 that also.20

Councilwoman Brown

Okay.21

Dr. Ackerman

We had, I'm22 sorry, nine meetings before and then I23 think we've had nine -- we're finishing24 up with the last meeting. So it will be25 266 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 about 18 community meetings we've had on2 this budget.3

Councilwoman Brown

And one4 important stakeholder that has been5 insinuated but not fully talked about is6 the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers,7 who also have weighed in, I would8 imagine, in some way, privately I would9 presume, on what these priorities should10 look like. Is that fair to say?11

Dr. Ackerman

That would not12 be fair to say that they weighed in on13 it.14

Councilwoman Brown

All right,15 then. Councilman Clarke had to leave,16 but he wanted me to put on the record,17 when will the SRC vote on your budget?18 What's your projected date?19

Dr. Ackerman

May 31st.20

Councilwoman Brown

And the21 potential dilemma that he raised is,22 Philadelphia City Council has its23 schedule, action or proceedings, and our24 time clock to figure out how we help may25 267 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 not be in sync with what your stipulated2 deadline is. So I put that -- maybe you3 can respond to that in Councilman4 Clarke's absence.5

Mr. Masch

The May 31st6 deadline established in the Philadelphia7 Home Rule Charter, and it harkens back to8 a time when the primary source of funding9 for the School District was local taxes.10 As we've noted, half of our funding now11 comes from the state, and the state never12 adopts a budget by May 31st. In fact, in13 recent years, they've rarely adopted a14 budget by June 30th.15 So the vote that -- the School16 Reform Commission is required to take a17 vote on May 31st, but it will necessarily18 have to be a provisional budget and19 subject to amendment based on the actions20 of this body and the Pennsylvania General21 Assembly. And I think we've discussed22 among ourselves that we will make it23 clear that it is a provisional vote and24 that the School Reform Commission will25 268 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 need to reconvene probably at the very2 end of June to consider how the budget3 will be revised based on the actions of4 this body and the General Assembly so5 that we'll have a working budget going6 into the next fiscal year and school7 year.8

Councilwoman Brown

Okay.9 Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez gave a lot10 of discussion to the alternative11 programming, and it was stated in the12 testimony that five programs are coming13 in-house. Just say again the reason14 behind that decision.15

Dr. Ackerman

Mr. Wright can16 come back up. It was partly an economic17 decision. We cut the program back $2518 million.19

Councilwoman Brown

So smarter20 to bring them in-house.21

Dr. Ackerman

And we have been22 building in-house programs over the last23 two years. We will still have, as I24 said, some programs that are provided for25 269 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 young people by outside providers.2

Councilwoman Brown

But if we3 round a contract -- and we did not get4 into a lot of that today, but you gave5 numbers around 129 million for6 professional services. Speak to where7 the District has moved to with regards to8 ensuring that women and minority get fair9 opportunity and access with -- let's10 start with professional contracts.11

Dr. Nunery

Councilwoman, on12 an average basis, our professional13 services contracts are about 30 percent14 M/WBE and actually higher on design,15 architectural services when it comes to16 construction or some of the renovations17 that we do. Our overall goal right now18 is 20 percent. We are actually going to19 be presenting to the SRC soon some20 recommendations for changes in M/WBE. We21 want to be more in line with where the22 City is going, looking at the City's23 disparity study, using that as a basis as24 opposed to doing our own, and also25 270 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 reporting out on the same basis that the2 City's OEO office does.3

Councilwoman Brown

So to link4 what you just said with Councilman Jones'5 ongoing interest in vocational education,6 under the former Chairman -- and7 Councilman Goode may remember this far8 better than I -- there was something that9 was called a Project Labor Agreement.10 And so maybe not now, but for sure before11 we -- maybe even in the fall, I'd be12 curious to know, how far along are we in13 making sure that young people that attend14 our vocational schools really do get15 first opportunity and first shake at16 being on those construction projects that17 are being built in our neighborhoods18 where you have young people who are19 unemployed. So we really need to revisit20 that and get a handle on where that is21 and where it needs to go.22

Dr. Nunery

Right. And I23 think with the Facilities Master Plan,24 there's an opportunity. When you had a25 271 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 huge building program, of course, it2 opened up some doors. That's more or3 less come to a close, but the Facilities4 Master Plan will offer some opportunities5 for everything from painting to6 electrical work, plumbing, et cetera.7 But we have to -- so we'll have to redo8 the Project Labor Agreement. The one we9 had has essentially sunsetted and we're10 necessarily under those principles, we11 still use those, but we do not have one12 currently, but we're still talking to the13 building trades about that.14

Councilwoman Brown

Very well.15 So let me just go through these notes16 real quick. There's a lot of discussion17 given to ESL and graduation rates.18 Significant improvement with math and19 reading scores. Bravo, when we look to20 see where we are as a nation when it21 comes to math and reading compared to22 what's happening around the world. So23 has the District conducted a study to24 understand the purpose behind this25 272 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 improvement? What has contributed to2 that? Can you put your finger on it?3 How do you measure and monitor the4 significant improvement that has happened5 in math and reading scores? If you can6 speak to that briefly.7

Dr. Ackerman

Well, we are8 closely looking at and trying to do our9 own in-house research, and actually you10 heard me talk about ARC, the11 Accountability Review Council. They look12 at our programs, and they also hired an13 outside firm to look at specifics that14 they want to address annually. In this15 last year, they looked at our renaissance16 school program, and that was Research for17 Action. We do our own in-house research.18 Like one of the things we wanted to look19 at was the value of summer school. So we20 looked at those young people that went to21 summer school, for instance, and those22 that did not, and we were able to look at23 their first predicted test that they take24 in October, all of our young people, to25 273 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 take a look at who regressed and who did2 not. And so that's what we're trying to3 do. And actually as we were making some4 of these tough decisions, we were5 eliminating programs and services that6 didn't -- we didn't seem to be able to7 correlate with growth.8 So we're trying to closely look9 at -- we haven't had but three years, two10 years with Imagine 2014 and some of the11 programs, but we agonized over what to12 keep, but in the end, we looked at what13 were the programs that we believe were14 getting us significant student15 achievement and yield with positive16 student outcomes.17

Councilwoman Brown

Just a18 couple more. Around the alternative19 schools, I'd be curious to know what is20 the role of parents or guardians when it21 comes to the admission of young people in22 these schools? What duty, what23 responsibility do we place on them? What24 is their role in the equation?25 274 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Dr. Ackerman

Well, I'm going2 to ask Ben to come up, but I know that in3 our Multiple Pathways, many of these4 young people are 18 and older. They've5 come through the school system or6 through -- or they didn't come through,7 they didn't finish. So they can make8 these choices without their parents.9

Councilwoman Brown

I see.10

Dr. Ackerman

They want to11 come back.12 On the other hand, we have13 students that our in our disciplinary14 process, and those parents for young15 people who were under 18 do have to agree16 that their child will go into the17 disciplinary process or program and/or18 they can make other arrangements. If the19 child is expelled, the parent can decide20 whether to use our services or other21 services. But for the Multiple Pathways,22 the programs that we're talking about,23 the transitional programs, those are24 young people who left our school system25 275 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 and now are coming back, didn't graduate2 and now want to finish, didn't have3 enough -- under-credited, overage, and4 many of them can make those choices5 without their parents. And we can't --6 where they're underage, we can talk to7 their parents, but most of them are8 overage, under-credited or they actually9 dropped out of school and want to come10 back.11

Councilwoman Brown

That helps12 explain that.13 Just one thought for14 consideration. The Mayor's Office of15 Sustainability has done a lot of work,16 research and documents on how to grow a17 greener city. So to the extent that as18 you move forward with the Master19 Facilities Plan, there would be some20 value in not redoing some of the work21 they've already done and just look to22 capture what you can use, because therein23 saves time and money.24

Dr. Nunery

We've actually25 276 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 been working with the Mayor's Office on2 not only Green 2015, the whole idea of3 taking impervious hard surfaces and4 flipping them into green space, trees,5 that kind of thing, but also all of the6 work that we're going to do is towards a7 sustainable end. So that's terrific.8

Councilwoman Brown

Very good.9 Graduation coaches, what was10 the graduation rate for the School11 District last year and how does this12 compare to rates a couple of years13 before? And then just speak to the value14 of the graduation coaches. Are they15 still in place? Are they going to be16 cut, when there you can actually see a17 connect between their value or them being18 in place and the actual increase in19 graduation rates.20

Dr. Ackerman

The six-year21 graduation rate -- and for me that's a22 problem, that we now talk about23 graduation rates over six years instead24 of four. I don't know when that changed,25 277 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 but it changed sometime in the last2 decade. So we're measuring now six-year3 graduation rates.4 It has gone from 59 percent to5 63 percent in two years. So we are6 making significant progress, but we've7 done a lot of things, including8 graduation three times a year, graduation9 in June like we traditionally have done10 graduation and full-day -- because we11 have full day offerings in high school,12 young people who are behind could catch13 up. So we had a thousand young people --14 I mean, 700 young people last year15 graduate in August as opposed to 100 over16 the years before traditionally. And then17 this year we instituted February18 graduation, and another 400 young people19 graduated.20 So we anticipate that the21 graduation rate will continue to go up,22 because we have multiple things going on23 right now to help young people who are24 behind catch up and to give young people25 278 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 a chance who want to leave, go on to2 college early, the opportunity to do3 that.4

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. My5 remaining questions have already been6 fully discussed, charter schools and the7 like, English as a second language,8 Facilities Master Plan. So I am going9 to -- well, police officers, we talked10 about that as well.11 That completes my questioning.12 Thank you very much.13

Dr. Ackerman

Thank you.14 Thank you.15

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you16 very, very much.17 Thank you, Madam Chair.18

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank19 you, Councilwoman.20 Dr. Ackerman, we ask you to21 acknowledge another member of the SRC22 present.23

Dr. Ackerman

Yes. Our24 Commissioner Johnny Irizarry is here.25 279 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 When we introduced the Commissioners this2 morning, he wasn't here. He came in3 after.4

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank5 you. Thank you for your attendance.6 Councilman Goode.7

Councilman Goode

Thank you,8 Madam Chair.9 Good afternoon. We've made a10 lot of progress today. We've had a lot11 of discussion about potential cuts and12 what we might be able to invest in in13 terms of restoring some of those cuts.14 There are a list of items in your15 presentation that are not among those16 things to be cut because they are subject17 to mandate or difficult to cut. Can you18 tell which of these items are not19 actually mandates, but simply difficult20 to cut, in your estimation?21

Dr. Nunery

Councilman, would22 you just restate the question.23

Councilman Goode

The question24 is, which of these items are simply25 280 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 difficult to cut rather than actually2 mandated on the list that you have on3 of the presentation. I'm just4 asking which aren't mandated or difficult5 to cut.6

Mr. Masch

The only one that7 we would put in the difficult to cut8 category really is special ed and special9 ed transportation. First of all, special10 ed transportation, because one of the11 things we are challenging ourselves on is12 to run our transportation operation more13 efficiently.14

Councilman Goode

So that's15 the only thing that's not mandated?16

Mr. Masch

So the reason we17 said difficult to cut is --18

Councilman Goode

I'm going to19 ask you the question very simply so we20 can save some time. What on the list is21 not mandated?22

Mr. Masch

I'm trying to make23 the distinction. The service is24 mandated; the particular level of25 281 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 spending we have budgeted may not be. So2 if we can find what's difficult is to3 provide them -- everything on here is4 mandated. Every single thing is5 mandated.6

Councilman Goode

Mandated,7 but not in terms of that particular cost?8

Mr. Masch

Right. Not in9 terms of necessarily that particular10 cost. So that's the difficult thing.11

Councilman Goode

That's a12 very important clarification. So these13 are not mandated costs?14

Councilman Goode

That's the16 question now. These are not mandated17 costs?18

Mr. Masch

So, as I said,19 special ed is the only one that I would20 say there's not a mandated cost. We're21 looking for ways to provide the service22 more efficiently.23

Councilman Goode

Okay. So24 debt service and temporary borrowing,25 282 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 explain to me how that is a mandated2 cost. If you've already borrowed the3 money, I can understand how it's4 mandated. If you intend to do more5 borrowing, then it's not mandated. It's6 still a decision of how much more7 borrowing you're going to do.8

Mr. Masch

That's correct.9 What you're seeing here is the debt10 service we are already obligated to pay11 on borrowings the School District has12 conducted in the past.13

Councilman Goode

So this $25414 million is a reflection of money that is15 absolutely mandated cost?16

Mr. Masch

That's right,17 because this is all debt already issued.18

Councilman Goode

This is all19 borrowing that has already taken place?20

Mr. Masch

Correct.21

Councilman Goode

Do you22 intend to be taking on any more debt23 service?24

Mr. Masch

Yes, and I would25 283 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 direct your attention and the attention2 of the other Councilmembers to the3 next-to-last page in the Budget and4 Brief, , which is the summary of5 the capital improvement plan, and in the6 detailed budget, we have more7 information. But this budget calls for8 $160 million capital expenditure level9 next year, with the debt being issued10 probably in the fall at that $160 million11 level, and we identify the things that we12 need to spend that money on.13

Councilman Goode

So how much14 more in debt service are you taking on?15

Mr. Masch

So that will be --16 well, that will be about, depending -- we17 don't know based on interest rates, but18 somewhere in the vicinity of $13 to $1719 million, depending on what interest rates20 are, annual debt service, depending on21 what interest rates are.22

Councilman Goode

And that has23 to be done in Fiscal Year '11 and '12?24

Mr. Masch

Yes.25 284 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Goode

Why?2

Mr. Masch

Because we run all3 of our capital programs pay as you go.4 Basically we don't go into the capital5 markets to borrow until our capital6 projects fund is close to depletion. So7 it's just-in-time borrowing.8

Councilman Goode

I'm asking9 why does the work have to be done.10

Mr. Masch

The work has to be11 done because in some cases, construction12 projects are already underway, like West13 Philadelphia High School. In some cases,14 in fact the majority of the funding,15 $101.1 million, is for lifecycle16 replacements where components of our17 buildings are coming to the end of their18 useful life, boilers, facades, roof19 replacements, window replacements,20 electrical systems. Those are the major21 components.22

Dr. Nunery

Councilman,23 there's also reimbursement on some of24 those items, the state's planned-time25 285 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 programs. So we do borrow and then we2 get some reimbursement back from the3 state.4

Councilman Goode

Okay. I'm5 not clear there's not some flexibility6 there, but I'll leave it alone, because I7 do believe that infrastructure and8 capital projects are important. What I9 will focus on, though, is part of that10 debt service and temporary borrowing we11 had discussion in the briefing about12 interest rate swaps, and I believe the13 response you gave, Mr. Masch, may not14 have been a full response. I asked15 whether interest rate swaps had cost the16 School District any money, and you said17 they had not because those swaps have18 been ended. The question now is, did you19 pay to get out of the swaps?20

Mr. Masch

Yes, of course.21

Councilman Goode

How much did22 you pay to get out of the swaps?23

Mr. Masch

I don't remember24 the number. We will get it for you.25 286 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 What I can tell you about the transaction2 is --3

Councilman Goode

I really4 just need the number. The information I5 have says you paid $63 million to Morgan6 Stanley, Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo to7 cancel five swaps.8

Mr. Masch

Well, first of all,9 those were institutions that were10 handling the transaction. So the money11 didn't go to them. They were not12 necessarily the holders of the13 counter-party agreements.14 Yes, we had to pay money to15 unwind the swaps, but the reason that we16 waited to go into the market was, you17 have to look at the total transaction --18

Councilman Goode

I would19 prefer rather than give me the type of20 answer you gave me yesterday, which was21 not complete, I want a full accounting22 for what you paid to them, why you paid23 it to them --24

Mr. Masch

I will give you a25 287 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 full --2

Councilman Goode

-- how much3 you paid and whether that was actually a4 mistake in terms of how you handle the5 refinancing and whether you should have6 ever been going from a fixed to a7 variable rate to begin with, and included8 in that I'd like to know what your9 interest rate swap policy is now, because10 while you said you will not enter into11 future swaps, if this potentially cost12 the District tens of millions of dollars,13 that's something that needs to be14 accounted for.15

Mr. Masch

Well, when you16 enter into and then unwind a swap17 transaction, you need to look at what you18 put in and what you got out over the19 entire life of the transaction, and we20 netted a gain on the transaction in its21 totality. In addition, the --22

Councilman Goode

It doesn't23 mean the way you handled the swap didn't24 still lose money. So you may have had a25 288 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 net gain, but you still may have made2 mistakes along the way that cost tens of3 millions of dollars in terms of even4 engaging in a swap to begin with.5

Mr. Masch

Right. While that6 is theoretically possible, it was not the7 experience of the School District, and as8 I said to you yesterday, we realized9 gains. We were on the verge of realizing10 losses. We did have to pay to unwind the11 swaps. And that was not the question I12 was asked yesterday, but there's no13 question that was part of the transaction14 in December. But the net gain15 budgetarily to the School District from16 that transaction was $19.2 million in17 December. So we did not lose money on18 that transaction.19

Councilman Goode

What does20 "on the verge" --21

Mr. Masch

So we will provide22 you with the full details, including the23 source and use and the history of the24 swaps.25 289 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1

Councilman Goode

What does2 "on the verge of losing money" mean?3

Mr. Masch

That means if we4 had held the swaps, we would have started5 to lose money on them.6

Councilman Goode

Had you not7 entered the swaps, what would have been8 your experience?9

Mr. Masch

Well, over the --10 we've actually done the analysis. Over11 the period of time that we held the12 swaps, if we had simply had conventional13 fixed-rate debt, we would have had a14 worse position. We would have had higher15 borrowing costs than we did with the16 swaps.17 I want to emphasize, no one who18 is currently on the School Reform19 Commission or in the senior management of20 the District, including Dr. Ackerman and21 myself, was a party to those transactions22 when they were entered into.23

Councilman Goode

So as I24 mentioned, include your swaps policy,25 290 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 your current swaps policy, and also2 include that analysis of the swaps that3 proves that you didn't lose money by4 entering into the swaps.5

Mr. Masch

We'll be happy to6 provide that.7

Councilman Goode

Thank you.8 Thank you, Madam Chair.9

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank10 you very much.11 Are there any other questions12 from members of Council?13 (No response.)14

Councilwoman Blackwell

No15 other questions?16 (No response.)17

Councilwoman Blackwell

Seeing18 none, then we will recess this hearing19 until 1:00 p.m. tomorrow where the public20 will come to testify. We hope to have21 you on board so that we may be able to22 refer some of the questions that come to23 you to work on.24 Thank you very much. Thank you25 291 5/24/11 - WHOLE - BILL 110135, ETC.1 all.2

Council President Verna

I3 would just like to add -- I would like my4 colleagues to hear me. We do have, as of5 this moment, 65 witnesses that would like6 to testify tomorrow. So I ask that you7 all be here and try to be prompt, please.8 Thank you.9 (Committee of the Whole10 recessed at 5:15 p.m.)11 - - -12 13 14 15 16 292 CERTIFICATE2 I HEREBY CERTIFY that the3 proceedings, evidence and objections are4 contained fully and accurately in the5 stenographic notes taken by me upon the6 foregoing matter on May 24, 2011, and that7 this is a true and correct transcript of same.8 --------------------13 MICHELE L. MURPHY14 RPR-Notary Public15 (The foregoing certification of this19 transcript does not apply to any reproduction20 of the same by any means, unless under the21 direct control and/or supervision of the22 certifying reporter.)23