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ZBA Hearing - August 3, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Aug 3, 20216h 3m

leads to the imagination so just so the board's aware this is what is next to the property

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So as you can see, we tried to fit in as best a little bit of an odd mix match on the lot,

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but we're really trying to stay with what we're going to be directly adjacent to as well.

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It's also worth noting just really quickly that there's about 25,000 square feet of vacancy on this block on actually the corners.

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There's city-owned land there.

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So I think the reduction in units will be helpful to address any concerns about density,

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but there is a significant amount of vacancy as well so just want to note that um i'd like to

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bring up my clients if possible unless the board has any questions on the plans before we let scott

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go questions uh on the regarding the plans from the board no okay thank you let's get your uh

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yeah justin john or rahat kamal

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take down your exhibit if you don't mind

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tomorrow has been allowed to speak

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Kamal has been allowed to speak.

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please identify yourself

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Please identify yourself.

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Spell your first and last name, and I'll swear you in.

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We've got both Justin John here and Rahat Kamal, so I'll let Rahat go first.

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Hi, I'm Rahat Kamal.

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R-A-H-A-T-K-A-M-A-L.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Thank you, Rachel.

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and then uh my name is justin john j-u-s-t-i-n j-o-h-n where if i'm going to tell the truth

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the whole truth nothing but the truth i do thank you thank you uh raha and justin have you heard

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my testimony today in front of the board um do you believe it to be correct and true to the best

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of your knowledge and do you adopt it as your own yes yes thank you um wanted to just give an

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opportunity for those uh here on the call to speak the board have any questions no okay

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um i believe there's members of the community that rahat and justin um have been working with

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on this project is mr karn still on and is he testifying in this matter

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or and or mr and if you are testifying in this manner sir

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i don't think so

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oh there's mr karn hey good afternoon again mr karn just identify yourself you're still under

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or from earlier?

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I'm 3853 North 19th Street, 13th Ward RCO chair,

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and I live in the community.

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I'm also the ward leader, just to be perfectly clear here.

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Again, council displayed our opposition letter.

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The opposition letter was more than just the RCO committee.

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We opposed the plan.

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that was presented at that time.

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What council failed to state that during the presentation,

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it was a six-unit presentation.

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We asked, and we've been working with the City Planning

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Commission, Ariel, for like the last two years,

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working on RSA five single family units.

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And we do understand development.

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However, we've been working with every developer and every owner in the community from Broad Street to 22nd Street to North and Angle Street, all the way up to Windrum.

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We are trying to stay under a certain amount of units.

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And that was three.

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Just today, I received an email from Ms. Pritchard's office stating they wanted to meet after this.

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and that was okay but my thing was there right the community and everybody on that block

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wanted three family units that directly affected folks there through some tactics or whatever um

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I don't know these letters went around these petitions went around but no one

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who signed those petitions were on the zoom meeting that we had now I know we're just

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presenting now I did send back an email to Ms. Pritchard's office after the 12-13 email stating

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that we will have we can have another meeting September 9th that was our next scheduled RCO

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community meeting however that's what we would like to have another meeting and I'm pretty sure

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the community is for development on that lot and in and a lot around there however the multi-family

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over the four and five and six that were presented at that time, the whole meeting opposed it.

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And Mr. Kahn, I don't know if you had missed it. I had said that it was a six unit that we are

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reducing to four units and that we were asking for a hearing hold specifically so that we could

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accommodate another meeting. And so, yeah, we're all on board with the meeting again and, you know,

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providing the revised plans no I didn't I'm sorry Rachel I didn't miss it however when you um

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presented um your support you stated someone from a church on a 2,100 block we're actually

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on the 3,600 we're on the 3,600 block 30 I think she's at 3,400 block uh I did mention that it just

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that she had you know spoken in support and I had stated she wasn't on that block I apologize if

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that was what we're just saying we're just saying right we had a lot of people um

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I'm trying to get on this afternoon, but those are the ones who live on 16th Street, the north side of Venango Street, which is the 13 Ford RCO area.

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um trying to get on this afternoon but those are the ones who live on 16th street

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And that's where the mailings were mailed out to.

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So anybody else, and I've talked to Crystal Ray, he apologized for the, he supports development.

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but however we're looking for responsible development and and not over density uh the

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block itself understand mr karn am i hearing you correctly correct correct me if i'm wrong

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i heard you mention a couple of times three units are you suggesting that if the meeting

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this meeting were to be held in september 9th that if the proposal that is put before it was

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put before us today of going from six to four units, you're suggesting, and correct me if I'm

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wrong, that it still would not meet with support because it's over three units? That's correct,

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sir. Now, that was at the meeting, and we discussed it. And as a matter of fact, one of the owners

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called me up two weeks ago, personally called me up, and we discussed it. And I definitely

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discuss with them three units okay yeah the problem here chairman is it's a 2500 square

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foot lot so it's uh quite large to have three units on and um we what we were hoping to to be

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able to uh discuss in the meeting is that what we understand the three units is that it really

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that may make sense for normal size lots like your normal 16 by 60 but a 2500 square foot lot

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is is massive and if it was zoned rm1 and it would be it would be we wouldn't even be here so

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um and we're providing you know 1440 gets you four units uh we're at 2500 trying to accommodate

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four units so um you know we're trying to to meet and that makes sense for the size of the lot

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I hear what you're saying to your person.

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Yeah, get it, Korn.

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Go ahead, Korn, Mr. Korn.

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Mr. Korn?

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Hello?

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Yes, please proceed.

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So, sir, you know, I think the directly affected residents took that as a slight in a sense of take this, take this and this is what you're offering rather than coming to a compromise.

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Chairperson, you know, their compromise, pardon the interruption, but their compromise is going from six to four.

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I'm not I'm not suggesting that you should accept that, but that is their compromise.

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And with all due respect, Rachel, one at a time, please.

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Mr. Karn.

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Mr. Karn, you need to unmute.

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I'm sorry.

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A lot of houses up in this area have done a lot to their homes, and we can't chase them.

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We can't chase them around.

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What we're looking for is just conformity right now and trying to stay at the three-unit level.

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And you'll see in the future in the next couple meetings with the 13th Ward and developers how we've all come to a compromise with the three units.

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Hello.

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Oh, Christ.

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Hello.

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Yeah, hold on.

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Can everyone hear me?

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Yes.

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Sure, you're here.

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I lost the visual.

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I don't know how, but as long as you can hear me, I guess that's good enough.

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So, is there anyone else to testify in this case?

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Can you hear me?

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Mr. Charles Richardson has his hand raised.

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I can imagine.

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I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, Mr. Richardson, you're still on their oath.

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Please identify yourself.

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I'm sorry, Chair.

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This is Tanya.

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Can you try moving your mouth?

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Does that work?

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Yeah, I tried. Nothing's happening.

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I'm going to go out and come back.

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And we'll wait for you, sir.

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St. George is still all out?

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St. George is still all out?

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What's the, what's the, what's the closest street to it?

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I'm sorry.

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All right, someone has volume up, could you please mute yourself?

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Mr. Richardson, can you please mute your volume?

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thank you

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i am back sorry about that

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uh i think i had asked if anyone else wanted to testify

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yes he did mr richardson had his hand right right mr richardson sorry about that no problem

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uh mr chair again charles richardson from the office of councilwoman cindy bass from 312 city

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Hall. I just want to speak about the couple of support letters that had been mentioned.

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UNNA is an affected RCO, but I did speak with the chair, and he did not understand at the time,

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they were rather new RCO, that he's not supposed to write letters as a developer,

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thinking as a developer, so to speak, because that's what he is. The chair is a developer.

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um his their base is actually their uh ward where their territory actually encompasses erie avenue

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lehigh avenue but their actual base is below allegheny uh going down the lehigh avenue

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uh i also spoke with uh mr mcconnell of crystal del rey and uh you know i could because we

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questioned his providing a letter of support for that and he actually thought that rachel

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was a developer and uh but i can get get further clarification from him in writing and he can you

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know and i can provide that prior to the next on this case i'm just we know we we know that rachel

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but uh you know but he he was confused with that with that fact but i can get like i said i can get

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that uh you know clarification uh because he does trust you but you know but he can cannot speak to

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the developer, you know, of the project. So Councilwoman is actually going to reserve her

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judgment at this point until after this RCO meeting. Let's hear what the community has to say

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and then she will offer her opinion at the next hearing. Thank you. Anyone else?

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No further hands at this time, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Planning Commission? Hold on, hold on,

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hold on i'm sorry i'm sorry we have no worries no worries this uh peggy valentine with her hand

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raised i have a lotter to speak valentine please spell your full name and i'll swear you in

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so on time please don't mute yourself if you're going to speak

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you can go ahead chair you can go ahead planning commission

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good afternoon chair peter bernard for the planning commission

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our records indicate that i gave testimony on 4-7-21 on this project already there have been

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substantial changes and i just want to confirm that you want us to be on the record again

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uh well maybe i don't know maybe we should wait because they're going to have another meeting

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can the planning commission at least put their recommendation on the record

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we can do that okay okay mr burr please proceed this property is indicated for single family

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residential in the comprehensive plan the neighborhood was built and has largely been

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maintained a single family residential we believe the proposal represents an overuse of property

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additionally there is no hardship to regularly shaped vacant land even if it's large accordingly

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we object to the granting of the variance thank you so emma we just need a resumption date yeah

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MI 2021-000467, 3613 North 16th Street.

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Hearing will be resumed on September.

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hearing will be resumed on September 8th at 3 30. I think there's the RCO meetings on the ninth

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Tanya. Oh is it okay and chair is this for feedback from the community or just the letter

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feedback from the community

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Okay, Chair, we can try it.

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September the 21st at 930.

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this hearing will be resumed on september the 21st at 9 30 a.m at which time the board will

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consider any feedback related to the rco's position thank you chairman members thank you

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all thank you next case mi 2020 does zero zero three four one four four three zero mifflin street

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okay

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Mr. Notkinson has been promoted to panelist again.

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Good afternoon. Again, Mr. Notkinson, you're still on the road. Just please identify yourself for the record.

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Yes. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the board, Alan Notkinson, A-L-A-N.

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Last name, Notkinson, N-O-C-H-U-M-S-O-N, 123 South Broad Street, Suite 1600, Philadelphia, PA, 19109.

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Mr. Nakasim, you agree to waive the reading of its refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

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I do.

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Have you emailed an exhibit packet with the required documents, proof of ownership, proof

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of tax compliance, copy of the refusal, or referral, photos, and plans five days prior

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to this hearing?

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Yes.

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Have you met with the RCO and have a letter?

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Oh, we do.

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Thank you.

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Please proceed.

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All right.

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May I share my screen?

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sure all right thank you all right so i'm here for 430 uh mifflin street uh you'll see my stand

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this is going to be a proposed two unit condominium building on a property of a size that if this is

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an rm1 property uh would be allowed as of right there are no dimensional variances actually if

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you and we'll look at the pictures of the block uh the property to the left of us at 428 mifflin

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Street, and the property to the right of us at 430 Mifflin Street are also multifamily structures.

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