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ZBA Hearing - May 28, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)May 28, 20257h 56m

office of councilwoman cindy bass i was a little surprised with the low attendance for that meeting

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um and as uh cheryl had mentioned allison comes to everything and uh they did not show up so you

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You know, they have no representation here today either.

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So I'm kind of wondering whether or not they actually received the notice.

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And if you're going to hold this, perhaps we might want to try to see if we can have something else with the community.

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Because it really was a very low attendance at this meeting.

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I don't object to that, Mr. Chair.

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i mean again this is the community's plant that uh that they were busted so i'll be happy to meet

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again okay um we have the time okay do we want planning to take a position or you want to wait

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okay um maybe you're with the planning commission yes i can speak to the new proposal

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um the planning sorry the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the rsa5 residential

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single-family zoning at this location this property has a documented history of gone for

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commercial and second floor residential the conversion to residential is more in line

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with the residential zoning of this property however four units is not the least minimum

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the planning commission recommends that the board grant the proposed variance for multi-family with

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proviso max two units. Mr. Chair, I appreciate the input from the Planning Commission as always

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to ask for two units on the property this large would basically give us two single family homes,

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which would not at all be affordable for this community. Okay, thank you. So

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at all be affordable for this community. Okay, thank you. So, Hillary, the way I look at this

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So...

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would be a resumptive hearing, am I correct? I don't think we need to do that because we have

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had public testimony today as well as the recommendation of the Planning Commission,

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but I think we can leave the record open for any additional feedback from the public based on the

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revised proposal as well as the question i'm having really is the date um at least probably

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about 30 days before we voted we would vote this um it should take no more than that to get a revised

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refusal so yeah yeah um and so in the first week in july we do not have hearings um so july we

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could say july 9th at 2 p.m all right we're going to continue this to july 9th at 2 p.m

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it's closed other than additional information from the rco am i correct yeah for it then the

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information from the public regarding the revised plan and then the revised use proposed use and

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then the amended refusal okay okay thank you thank you and um verne i think i have one more here yep

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MI 2024-006-537-3740

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North 18th Street

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There's a letter of unanimous opposition

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from the 13th Ward RCO

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Vote was 7-0

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Why not just state your name

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and our vice chair has a few questions

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good afternoon counsel do you agree to either read another refusal or stipulate to its accuracy

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i do have you emailed in all the required documents and exhibits that's needed to

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proceed with this case five days in advance of this hearing i have thank you uh council please

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proceed thank you i believe i'm sharing my screen already this property is here's proper posting

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This property was initially proposed to be a three-family dwelling.

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It's a three-story building on a street with, although a significant number of single-family

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homes, also two- and three-family dwellings.

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We had a series of meetings.

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After the first, it was requested that we reduce the size to a duplex, which we did.

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We had a second meeting with the same folks who proposed it.

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The idea that they've sent a letter of opposition is inconsistent with the feedback that we've received thus far.

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So I'm not. Of course, we did not. I did not get that letter.

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But 137 households were, in fact, mailed.

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And let me show you the.

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The rest of the.

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Property.

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Mr. Chair, just for some housekeeping, there is a tax certification issue that needs to be

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clarified. Attorney Emerson has informed me that the vote would be held until that is sent over to

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you. Here's the basement. Basically, it's no living space. That's about, here's your washer

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and dryer and it's stairs for the first floor apartment. Up the front of the stairs into the

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porch there's an entry. If you make a right after when you get to the entry and up to the hallway

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you'll be led upstairs to the second and third floor. If you go straight you'll be led into the

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first floor unit, where you'll have a large living room, large eating kitchen, full

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bath, and a bedroom. Trash storage in the rear.

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we go to the right and go up the stairs

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we'll be taken to the second

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floor unit

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which leads you into the eat-in kitchen

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we have a little

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study nook

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and a living room

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the full bath

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and a bedroom

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in the back of the property.

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The top floor

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is a little family room area

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for TV, for gaming,

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For TV, for gaming, and the master bedroom with the master bath at the top.

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and the master bedroom.

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So these are the revised plans as a result of the first meeting.

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And it was my understanding that that was the request of the community.

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Vern, can I interrupt for one second?

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I have a letter from the 13th Ward and a meeting summary that was received as of the 28th, and it says that seven support, support with provisos, seven individuals supported from the RCO committee.

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and uh that was my understanding as well i don't know if mr richardson has to be identified for

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the translator for the trend i think our translator knows okay good and i just wanted

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to confirm that we did receive that letter just this morning and i was going to mention that in

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my comments that wonderful okay that we yeah they changed it was initially opposed okay so then

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that's consistent right yes then after yeah then yes we just got that this morning that they are

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okay so that makes more sense all right great thank you mr richardson thank you mr richardson

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thank you attorney emerson yeah that makes sense then i'm no longer scratching my head internally

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so which is great so um that's the property here's some interior

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property is renovated uh when my client purchased it he's tearing out one of the kitchens

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to make sure that

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this is a duplex.

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You know, but

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can you hear me?

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I thought you were sending me something.

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Here's the letter that was

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mailed. The address is

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to which the notice went.

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And 137 households met.

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Because my client worked tirelessly with the neighbors in this

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particular one to reduce the number to a living space that

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makes sense for both the community and the owner because my client purchased this as a triplex and

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is willing to convert it to a duplex and because we enjoy now overwhelming support of the neighbors

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and I'm assuming the support of the community council member's office supporting the RCO's

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position I'm requesting respectfully that this board grant the variance with that

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Mr. Travis Glover, if he could raise his hand

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and be recognized, I would appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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We should be coming back in as a panel shortly.

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Thank you.

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hello

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sir could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer

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my name is travis glover that's t-r-a-v-i-s glover g-l-o-v-e-r

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth,

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tell the truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Glover, did you hear what I said

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to the zoning board today?

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Yes, sir.

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Is it true and accurate, to the best of your knowledge?

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Yes, sir.

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And do you adopt it as your own testimony?

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I do.

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I thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'm looking further.

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Questions for the board?

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Yes, I have a few questions.

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One, how are the second floor unit going to have access to the trash that's stored at the rear?

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Let's take a look at the plants.

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They're unable to get to the rear from the outside. I believe that trash will be

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held inside based on the community request that there be a closet somewhere built out

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on the second floor for the trash okay i didn't see one and you didn't it wasn't pointed out yeah

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i usually highlight it if it's there um but that was the request of it and

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um but that was the request of it and that's the that is the trash plan for the second floor unit

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okay so the three bins that are shown on this on the first floor plan are only for the first

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floor unit that was that was originally uh with one for each unit originally we didn't pull out

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one but yes generally it's to show where the first floor would put their trash okay then my

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second question is what is going on in the basement now that it's been revised to a duplex

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because we didn't talk about it in this presentation first floor will have access for washer dryer

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and i'm assuming maybe some storage but no living no living space is that mr glover if you could

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just confirm what i just said to the board that is correct thank you and then so uh just trying

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to recount how much work has been done. It looks like the property was purchased in 2023 and all

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of the listings show it being listed as a single family property with six bedrooms and three

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bathrooms. So I just want clarity on like what has happened since sale. Well, since purchase,

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when he purchased it, it was all built out for the multi. Mr. Glover, would you like to explain

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this to the board member as well that's that's exactly as it was when we purchased it everything

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was already separated what we're doing is taking out a kitchen to accommodate the community thank

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you so all the lni violations had been cleared before purchase

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to the best of my knowledge okay so there was like no structural no nothing when

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purchase? No. Oh, no, no.

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They should say closed out.

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They should. They do, but they say that

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it was sealed, so I'm trying to wrestle with the fact that

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the listings show a property that has not been

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renovated, and the photos that were being shown of a renovated property are saying that's what they were

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at sale, and that's different than every listing at the time of

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it's there on the internet so yeah other questions well the one issue that i bring up every time i

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see plans like this is that you've got to go through the bedroom to get to the backyard which

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is a horrible living situation to have friends and family having to go through your bedroom to

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uh to access trash now your trash is in your backyard you have to bring it through your

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bedroom. It's just a horrible layout to have it set up that way. So you clearly have a breezeway.

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There's an opportunity to get a doorway out to the side and not have to go to one's bedroom to go

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to access the yard. Well, actually, as a correction, if you would, Vern, if you would

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show the entrance to the first floor unit.

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When you come in and you turn to the left,

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I mean, you turn to the right before the entry into the unit,

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right to your right between the first and second floor

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is space for a vented closet to go for first and second floor.

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And it's right next to a window as well.

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That would be right in the front there where the first entry door is to the right of it.

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Here, Mr. Glover?

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A little further over to the right into the corner.

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That corner there is enough space for two garbage cans and a vented unit.

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I mean, a vented closet.

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That is what we discussed with the RCO.

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okay i'm just not based on the scale of your plan though that that what you just described won't

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work but nonetheless the issue is not having to go through the bedroom to go access the backyard

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and perhaps used to that breezeway might be something we can do as well

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once we get to the building code the building plan uh building permit uh phase of this

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uh questions or comments from our attorney

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Not at this time, Mr. Chair.

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Questions or comments from the virtual audience?

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I do not see any hands, Mr. Chair.

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Planning wants to take a position now.

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Am I correct?

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The only thing we're going to hold for is taxes.

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Am I right?

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Amy Boyd with the Planning Commission.

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The comprehensive plan recommends no change in zoning at this location from the existing

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residential single family.

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The appellant has shown that there are unique physical conditions or circumstances that

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would prevent the property from being used in conformance of the zoning code.

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The Planning Commission recommends the board grant the request variance for two families.

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the planning commission recommends the board grant the request of variance for two families

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okay um hillary are we going to give a date or they'll notify us when they have the taxes straight

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once we receive it then we'll okay good okay thank you ver but mr richardson has his hand raised

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