We weren't looking for money.
we were looking for what kind of contribution that you can make with the development of the
community that's all right all right thank you very much for taking the time to call we appreciate it
mr chair uh yeah i i believe that you know they have mr out of seven's information but if they
don't after the hearing of course i'll share it to see how you know mr out of seven can collaborate
with the community in other respects all right thank you very much planning commission
thank you chairman and board members david effecto with the city planning commission
chairman and board members the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the cmx2
commercial mixed use zoning at this location this part of the neighborhood still carries
its original 1933 zoning this block face is almost entirely residential with two-story row homes
and a church with non-accessory parking ground floor commercial use would be out of character
with this block base the city planning commission recommends that the board grant the proposed
use variance for two dwelling units and the proposed dimensional variance for rear yard
depth thank you mi2025-005-979-4622 marion avenue i vote yes with proviso maximum two dwelling units
revised plans one page stamped by cba on march 11 2026. michael johns my vote is yes with proviso
cheryl gaston my vote is yes with proviso tanetta graham my vote is yes with proviso
ryan mcadams my vote is yes with proviso iowen my vote is yes with proviso thank you council thank you
Number five, MI2025, 000437, 454 Delmar Street, Sam Elias is the owner applicant.
They're being promoted to panelists.
Oh, here you go.
you could pull it much closer to you too just pull right
good morning hi sir could you please state your name and spell for the sonographer
my name is sam you got to get the mic right in front of you good morning my name is sam
elias spelled as s-a-m-e-l-i-a-s right do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the
whole truth nothing but the truth i do um do you do we have
yes there you go all right so we have everything we need um uh yes mr chair we've received all
required documents for this map so this application is for the erection of a roll-up
fence gate at the entrance up to an existing driveway in residential zoning districts any
fence located nearer to the front lot line than the required building setback or the actual distance
of the building from the lot line whichever is greater shall be no more than four foot in height
fence posts and gate posts that are integrated as architectural features in defense design
are permitted up to four to six four foot six inches in height whereas these the fence proposed
gate is 14 foot our vice chair has a few questions for you sir yes sir good morning have you submitted
your documents and exhibits five days in advance of this hearing okay and the chair just read your
refusal so do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy
okay all right thank you share your screen the procedure case
accept okay
I just accepted it, actually, um, let me just, uh, show it to me.
Sorry, my screen.
try my screen
no it should show up on the screen up top
I see somebody coming your way
to help. I see two people
coming your way to help.
Look at this.
Alright, it's coming up right now.
Almost showing the, uh, the mail that was sent to the neighbors.
You might want to just get the mic a little bit closer to you, right? Yep.
yes so that's your posting this posting and that's the mail you yeah yeah yeah you keep that's it um
let's go back and all right just take your time that's the mail that we sent to the uh neighbors
okay and uh that's the post and we updated the post actually uh actually right before so it's
front door in front door yes right and the tax clearance i just did it actually yesterday these
are neighbors that signed in favor of it uh the next one is yes uh this one and this one and this
one i also updated uh pictures of the zoom meeting that we had with the rco or for the chat and
people were in favor of this fence because we changed the plan from the 14 foot to this one
smaller one this is a smaller one right yeah that's the smaller one and this is what we
offered uh negotiated with the with the neighbors in the rco meeting and uh the majority that i saw
in the meeting and in the chat and pictures and the uh people that signed the uh uh the agreement
okay uh the they didn't didn't mind this kind of gate to be put on
I was originally refused and objected from the RCO.
Do you have pictures of the front of your house?
What we're talking about?
Let me just close this.
this is the 14th so that that's the driveway right and you want to put the fence
there? Yes, and we are cutting these poles. They are 14 foot long. That's where it was originally
going to be? Yes. Okay, so you're cutting it down to six foot? Six foot, yes. And this is the
the document that we sent also. We have your deed. Yes. The zoning notices that we sent to the
RCO and I'm not sure which. Could you show us the fence what it's going to look like now one
more time? All right. And what is it? Is that horses on it? What is that on it? No, that's the
picture that before we bought the gate, but the one's exactly the same one, but it has lines,
smaller lines. Lines? Okay, why don't you show that? Yes.
Yeah, I couldn't find it. So, it's going to go there,
and you're going to cut those poles down. Yes, cut them to six, and just go back and show the
Thank you.
That's going to be almost the same.
going to be almost the same except for the little cattle or the cows will be like closer to the
except for the little cattle or the
middle little small lines small lines instead of what are they cows yeah cattle yes okay so it's
going to be a small lines there yes and what what's the top height six foot seven no seven
five and six these the lower the lower side of it is six right and the top one it's like a little
curve seven five okay um and where do we stand with the rco the rco is not in favor but your
neighbors are uh according to what i heard they uh decided not to continue until we since we have
a they wanted to do another meeting another meeting right but we already did too okay all
right and the neighbors actually plenty of them actually signed it and uh all right questions
questions from the board okay i've got it i've got i've just got to say you wanted to put a 10
foot gate in that location that was your original plan that was the original 14 it was 14 14 for you
want to do a for what what are you doing in your yard that you needed to do a 14 foot that you
needed a 14 foot gate uh i actually don't know we just wanted the gate and we called a few people
and one guy came and he recommended 14 and to with the idea was just in case we needed to bring
in a u-haul it would not affect because it has a ramp so we canceled that one so it doesn't hit
the top so the 14 foot was a roll-up gate yes and now you've decided to put this ornamental gate
i'll call it ornamental is that okay yeah ornamental gate in this place correct right okay
Is this a commercial property?
Is this commercial activity in your yard?
Now, no, not yet.
Because there's also a license for rental.
For what?
Rental?
Like a license for rental is not finished yet?
I don't know.
Rental what?
It's three apartments.
Oh, apartments.
How many apartments are back there?
Three apartments are back there, and you're going to rent them out?
Not yet.
yeah but you will eventually you think yes right and you need this gate to let you in right okay
other questions from the so again what are you what are you doing in this space is this just for
parking for potential tenants and you said something about u-haul truck what no yeah what
are you why would you no that was the suggestion by the by the actually uh the uh i don't know what
it's all gates and that was a like a suggestion if we can do it like this way we'll save space
i i don't know i said okay but then we found out it's a violation then we applied it differently
we presented to to this gate to switch it to go with the uh neighbors and the uh
so the 14 foot was going to be if a truck was moving somebody in
that was the original idea yeah right okay yeah the suggestion but now we're just going to cut
everything uh into short ones and it's going to be this gate do you have a photo of where this
gate is being installed or a site plan that shows it in context with the building right yeah yeah
yeah and like a block something that shows the the building the the you know in context or whatever
because i'm looking at the rest of the block and the rest of the block is very sort of residential
single family residential twins right exactly so just the thought of a 10 foot
roll-up gate and of course you're changing that and even an eight foot
14 14 oh jeez me christmas is taller than the house and then and then i mean i see you're
laughing mike so please okay i'll keep this straight so so eight foot so ed even at a seven
foot six or eight foot close to hike a fence that you're planning now seems to me somewhat
inconsistent with the character of the rest of the block right there's no there's no other fences
that are visible right i mean they're like maybe four feet or something like that um so i understand
the desire and maybe need for a fence but i think eight feet in my own personal opinion is probably
too high six feet would probably make sense and even because you just want to separate the parking
the the allowed four foot would probably i mean the height of your hedges it looks like your
neighbor has a six foot fence next to it i think that would be the appropriate height
or even your hedges look like they're probably about six feet so i don't know that's the
so i don't know yeah that's the uh revised plan to be to be the sixth one not the
revised plan to be to be the sixth one not the
we're going to cut these balls down like here
wait so the finish you're proposing is six feet correct correct okay not the 14. no no no no that's
not that's not the plan that you showed shows a seven foot top to the top of the fence that's what
you showed yes but are you sorry did the maximum height that the maximum height of the fence that
you showed is like seven feet not six feet it has a curve i understand that but the height of your
friends is seven foot yes exactly right seven foot eight so it's essentially almost an eight
foot foot fence right where your neighbor's fence next to you is six feet it looks like
a six foot fence next to you next to you and the purpose is is this fence going to be kept locked
is it going to be an electric fence tell me what it's going to be this is a gate yeah so yeah so
people would open the gate get out of the car and open the gate and go in uh the plan originally yes
will be opening and closing but in the future maybe we'll put a little motor and maybe make
electric but i have no idea yet you know no ideas okay all right now no as of now no it's going to
be opening like okay manually all right other questions questions or comments from our attorney
um i would just um ask the board to to hold this um it's because if um if the board does decide to
grant this request i need to talk to l and i about what they expect for revised plans um because i
don't know what was if what was shown today would meet their requirements for revised plans and how
many pages they would expect so i yeah so i just asked the board the board could hold this for a
week all right questions or comments from the virtual audience no hands at this time planning
commission thank you chairman and good morning david fecto with the city planning commission
chairman and board members the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the RSA 5 residential
single-family zoning at this location the city rezoned this neighborhood in 2018 in a community
supported map change there is no unique physical condition or circumstance of this property that
would prevent it from being used in strict conformity with the zoning code the appellant
has not shown that they will suffer an economic detriment if forced to comply with the dimensional
standards for height uh for fence height in the rsa 5 zoning district the city planning commission
recommends the board deny their proposed dimensional variance for fence height so we're
going to we're going to research you want to say something go ahead yes uh is the denied because of
the seven five well they denied they denied but okay so so so listen to us we're going to research
this a little bit and the board will vote on this next wednesday morning at 9 30. okay okay do i
need to attend uh you can come online okay all right okay all right thank you thank you i was
just you know i wanted to put a gate we had a little few problems uh if the height is still
too much we can fill them all right thank you very much thank you all right um well number eight
mi20250038455558 krausen street joseph consul is the attorney there's a letter of support
from the 12th ward democratic and also 32 signatures from neighbors
they're being promoted the panelists here okay and we're really behind here guys yeah
Hey, sorry, I got thrown off a second ago, I apologize.
Mr. Consul, just for the record, state your name and spell for the sonographer.
Joseph Consol, that's J-O-S-E-P-H, last name is Consol, C-O-N-S-O-L-E.
Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?
Do you identify your client, a relationship to the property?
Yeah, I've got Ms. Charbonne Anderson, and she is the owner of both.
And yeah, this is a lot line reconfiguration, and she owns both properties.
All right, our vice chair has a few questions.
Good morning.
have you submitted your documents and exhibits five days in advance of this hearing
yes except for the rco letter of approval which came in earlier this week okay great and do you
yes except for the rco letter of approval which came in
waive the reason of the refusal and stick late to its accuracy i do okay thank you you can share
your screen and proceed with your case all right my packet should be up for uh 5558 crowson street
um joe consul here uh charbonne anderson is on the call with me along with their architect and
Mr. Moyer, we're here before you today
to deal with the properties that,
I mean, the refusals under 5558 Crowson Street,
but this is an application for the combination
of 5556 and 5558 Crowson Street into one lot
that mentioned on here,
one parcel from two existing lots
and the construction of a building on the property with five units.
We're requesting this adjustment to consolidate these two empty lots into a single 1,611 square foot lot
and erect a four-story structure.
And to do that, we require two variances, one a use variance for five dwelling units
and the other are dimensional variants proposing 40 feet and 8 inches in height.
Board, this is a result of an extensive collaboration process,
and we're presenting a project that's been in front of the RCO a couple of times,