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ZBA Hearing - October 8, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 8, 20258h 7m

So we're going to continue this to 11.19 at 2 p.m., okay?

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Our clients are-

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I totally understand, but each time we come, it gets longer and longer.

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So we're moving on.

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We're moving on.

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I understand your position.

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Absolutely understand it.

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But next time, we'll get it finished.

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I think that we've-

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We're done.

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We're done.

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Okay.

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We're done.

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Thank you, sir.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Okay, so number, we're going to go with number six and number seven, which can be heard together.

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MI 2025, 002-794-1240 South Broad Street.

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Vern Anastasio is the attorney.

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The second one is MI 2025, 002-800-1242 South Broad Street.

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Both of them will have a Cantonese interpreter.

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There are several provisos, but there's unanimous support from South Broadstreet Neighbors Association.

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Mr. Anastasio.

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Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

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Good afternoon.

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I think I already swore you once this morning, right?

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You came on earlier this morning. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. So could you identify your

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clients in the relationship to the property? My client is Isu Zhao. She is the owner of

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the property. It's two separate parcels, but it is connected. Right. So is our Cantonese

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interpreter available? Now, Vern, you mentioned to Hillary that you would only need the interpreter

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when he's tested, when the person's testifying. Is that right? That's correct. Okay. Do we have

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our interpreter here here i'm here oh good good good could you please state your name and spell

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for the stenographer yeah sure my name is bun wang uh b-u-n and then w-a-n-g do you soundly

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swear or affirm that you will interpret accurately completely and impartially from english to

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cantonese and from cantonese to english to the best of your ability yes okay thank you very much

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um um so verne explain to me you'll use her when he's going to when your person is going to

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testify yeah mr chair my plan is to just present my case as i normally would uh and then at the

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end of my presentation ask my client to raise her virtual hand uh and when i uh do that the

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interpreter can uh sure our vice chair has a few questions for you thank you good afternoon

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Good afternoon.

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Have you submitted your documents and exhibits for both cases five days in advance?

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Yes.

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And do you waive the reading of the refusals and stipulate to their accuracy?

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I do.

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Okay, thank you.

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You can proceed with your case on your screen.

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Thank you.

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And Vern, you're handling both at the same time.

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Yeah.

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But I'm only going to, it's one packet, at least for here, for this presentation.

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Okay.

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But I'm only going to, it's one packet.

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Yep.

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At least for here, for this presentation.

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The application is for, second, there it is, is for visitor accommodation.

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This is a very large property for generations.

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It has been either a convent or a rectory for nuns and priests and things like that.

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So now Ms. Zau would like to use it for visitor accommodation.

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It's tailor-made.

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It's already outfitted for that.

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So and that's what we've been spending the last eight months trying to work through with the RCO.

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We have a CBA.

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There are some provisos that we can talk about if you'd like at some point, all of which we have no objection to, of course.

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So that's the refusal.

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we're here to seek the uh the zoning variants for the visitor accommodation i'm going to stop

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sharing this screen i'm going to share another uh there it is hold on

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okay and these are the plans and i'm going to be zooming into them so you can see them better

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okay 1240 1242 or the other way around uh the uh you're going to see a shared business center

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uh upon entrance you're also going to see a shared lounge and dining area

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and then of course a kitchen on the other side you're going to see unit one hallway unit two

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and Unit 3. Go up the stairs here to the southernmost property and you'll be on

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the second floor for Units 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Again, all existing conditions. And then

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And going up the stairs again, you'll have units 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13.

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We've agreed to commercial trash pickup.

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We've agreed to plant some trees.

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We've agreed to have contact information available not only to the RCO, but on the property itself.

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In addition to having a South Philadelphia property management team.

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And with that, I'm going to just call my client.

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uh on obviously this property because of its long history you got photos of the property

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oh sure my apologies i should have sent you those

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i had them hold on for one second

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I'm trying to clean up my opening, my open boxes here, so just give me one second.

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it yeah properties the photos are awesome you don't want us there we go here's the basement

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and we'll take you through some photos it's all very well appointed

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Here's the flyer that was mailed to all folks in 350 feet.

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Here's the proof of mailing.

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And we have, of course, the deed and tax documents have already been sent to the staff at the zoning board.

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And with that, I'd like to have Ms. Zhao raise her virtual hand.

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Is this the old St. Reedus?

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Yes, I think

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You know, I lost track of the parishes

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But it is certainly a former archdiocese property

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That was used for nuns

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Okay

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Interpreter, could you please call the person?

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Yes, you are in what way?

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你在這裡嗎?現在要到你身邊,你在這裡嗎?

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You are in what way?

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廣東話的講完

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是不是?趙先生,你在這裡嗎?

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Hai Su Zhao

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Hai Su Zhao,你是不是姓趙啊?你在這裡嗎?

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Chair, they're answering as a panelist.

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Thank you.

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Interpreter, introduce yourself first.

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Hi, you're welcome.

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I'm going to help you with all of these things.

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I'm going to ask you to use a simple,

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a simple word to translate.

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Do you hear me?

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She might be taking a while to get on.

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Okay, she actually speak Mandarin, but no problem, I do both.

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Okay, you may go ahead.

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Thank you.

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Well, does Ms. Al need to be sworn?

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Could you, I'm going to get her to state her name and spell for the interpreter.

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你把你的名字讲出来,然后拼出来,哈?

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我的名字AICIDOU

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周爱慈

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Thank you.

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Miss Al, I have three questions

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Hold on, ask her

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Does she swear or affirm

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To tell the truth

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The whole truth is nothing but the truth

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你举起手

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就是今天你所说的

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这是真实无物所知的全部

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没有隐瞒是不是

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是

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Yes

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Okay, please proceed

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Thank you, Mr. Chair

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Miss Al, good afternoon

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Did you hear my presentation

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to the board this afternoon?

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你好,下午好啊

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那你刚才有没有听到我刚才所讲的

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就是关于那个房子那个东西

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你有没有听到

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听到了

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Yes

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And is it true and accurate to the best of your knowledge

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对于你来讲

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我所陈述的都是

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根据你自己的知识来讲

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都是正确的对不对

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Yeah

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Yes

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And do you adopt it as your own testimony

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你会把我刚才讲的

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成为你自己今天的见证吗

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你的证功

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Yeah

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it? Yes. Thank you. I have nothing further. So Vern, just before we go on, we have what we believe

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are four enforceable provisos. Must obtain a certificate of occupancy, three-year temporary

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variance, trash stored inside or in rear yard, no household living in the basement. Yep. We have,

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again, all the provisos seem to be reasonable. We certainly don't object to the temporary

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variance, although we do recognize the board's reluctance sometimes, considering that she may

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have to put in $100,000 in fire mitigation upgrades prior to that CO. But we're not going

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to object. We'll leave it up to the board's discretion. Questions from the board? Yes.

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How many units per building are you going to use? 13 units total. So it's 13 between the two

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buildings that's correct with a shared office space business space in the front and also a

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shared dining area as well and a kitchen okay and what size units are these one bedroom two bedrooms

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what do we they're all one bedroom i could bring them back up if you'd like there it's a it's a

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former convent so i'll be happy would you like me to bring them back up yes yes because i think you

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went by them pretty quickly i'm not going to disagree with you there madam secretary

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um but yeah as you can see here there's the shared business center the shared dining area

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we can't see it yet very oh yeah nothing my bad sorry it's okay there we go

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Left to right, we're talking shared business center, dining lounge, kitchen.

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Here's our units, one, two, and three.

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Second floor, four and five.

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The larger ones are 27 feet deep.

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And then, of course, the smaller ones are about just under 13 feet by nine.

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So who's going to be manning or providing these meals?

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So who's going to be manning or providing these meals in this shared kitchen?

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Oh, no one provides meals, right?

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This is a, there's an accommodation.

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So they, people, people have their own meals.

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They go out, they grab stuff, they put it in the fridge.

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They could fix their own meals.

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Yeah, I think that you, you mentioned there's a big dining room.

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What's that for?

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Right.

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Well, people, this way they don't have to necessarily, this way they don't have to necessarily

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eat in their room, right?

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there's a there's a kitchen take it to there uh okay so the units themselves don't have like a

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kitchen in them no no no no um some of the larger ones i think we saw some photos maybe a little

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side table but that's about it okay so this is more like a hotel kind of thing yeah that

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ostensibly is what a visitor accommodation uh kind of is right i mean technically technically

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right i mean even though we don't like to say that um that's that's kind of what it is well i

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mean you know usually they they're like one bedroom sort of apartment right units well we

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definitely have a unique condition and living room and that kind of thing and okay yeah i mean this

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obviously is a unique physical condition here you know an old nunnery for the work not a whole lot

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we can do with a nunnery yes i mean i think i'm following the same vein of questions i feel like

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typically when you see buildings like this laid out they're operated by a company for example

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sonder where they're operating a bunch of these units at once but they are operating as boutique

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hotels um for this unit i'm wondering for like the things that you would find in a hotel there's

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usually other back of houses spaces that this plans don't seem to show where you're putting

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the linens where they're putting all the mini soaps um how are what's the plan for the management

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