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ZBA Hearing - June 10, 2026

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jun 10, 20266h 49m

city um i am on the board for advisory board for paca i'm on the advisory board for um the philly

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pre-k advisory council i'm also a part of the family child care advisory board um so basically

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this is what i eat and breathe every day gotcha and then um why don't you tell the board and maybe

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we'll go to the floor plans and that may make it easier so let's do that how many people work at

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the facility so currently there's four of us i'm in the process of hiring a fifth person um and

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because some things were brought up at the civic association and we try to accommodate some of the

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things that have been said um and we're going to try to make that work um because to me it's a

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process i teach children and um to learn and if i wasn't a good educator i wouldn't try to learn as

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well okay i just want to go to the floor points and by the way beyond uh behind the letter from

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the community there's many letters from people within the community and her customers which

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speak highly of her and there's also a petition but i want to go to the floor plans to kind of

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walk you through those floor plans and then we can go back to that petition um trying to find it hold

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Hold on, one second.

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Sure, slow.

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Oh, I missed it.

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All right, here we go.

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Okay, so you said you have four people working with you

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You said you have four people working with you, and then you're going to add on a fifth, right?

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and then you're gonna add on a fit.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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What are your hours of operation?

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Currently, our hours of operation are 5.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m., and we do make variances for parents if something happens, if they have to work overtime, things like that.

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But I was done today by 5 o'clock.

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Okay, great.

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And, you know, you have, you know, you come in through the front door, right, to go into the facility, right?

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So we do have several doors in my home.

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So we, you can come into the front door, which is our sun porch.

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and that area has cubbies for our zero to three students as well as our school-age students,

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but there is also another entrance coming through the basement and that's where our

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preschool students have their cubbies. And then that's these separate steps that

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have exterior steps, not, you know, so it goes directly in. It's not like someone's

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climbing into something, there's exterior steps, right? That is correct. So I have three doors

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to my property. And so there's several ways of egress. Okay. So you have an infant and toddler

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room. How many infants and toddlers do you have at any one time? So we have regulations. And so

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right now we have two infants. Okay. All right. And then how many, uh, toddlers do you have

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currently? Currently we have, uh, the 10 toddlers. Okay. Because, and you're, and you're limited to

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12 under the zoning classification. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Um, why don't you just say what

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the typical day is? Why don't you tell me what today was like? Sure. My typical day is, you know,

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I wake up and my students are coming in at 530. I do have parents that are prison guards and work

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for the post office and things like that. So we do try to accommodate those early hours. So in

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essence my front door is always open um so the parents come in at 5 30 and between 7 30 and

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8 o'clock i'm either getting uh school-age students to school or i am fixing breakfast

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um so for some of my students today was their last day um or yesterday was their last day

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excuse me and then for some of my students tomorrow is their last day school-age students

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We have a pre-K program, and our pre-K graduation is tomorrow at the Please Touch Museum.

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But my typical day, we were planning for everything.

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We were making sure that we had everything together.

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And when I say we, myself and my staff, and our snack time is at 10, our lunch time is

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at 12, and our afternoon snack is at 4.

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So throughout the day, some of my kids went to a playground and were in the sprinklers today. The other half of my students were in the facility and they were doing things like playing with puppets. My staff was teaching them different elements of our lesson plan.

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All right, great. I'm going to reshare my screen. I kind of want to go through the letters of support that you obtained. And so who are some of these people that you gave us as in support of this, hopefully permanent variance?

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So I have parents. I keep in touch with all of my parents. We become a family. The proverb that

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it takes a village to raise a child is what I stick by. I speak to my staff about that when

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we're doing orientations. We're these people's family, so we want to make sure that we still

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are with them. So some of these letters are from my parents, and these students are probably

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graduating from high school. I have letters there from family. I have letters

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from current parents and I have letters from colleagues that are either above me

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in these advisory councils that I'm a part of or they have a particular status

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within the ECE community and there are letters from therapists

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There are letters from therapists that come into my facility. That is one thing that I want to mention. In this area, there are so many students that have needs and big facilities, oftentimes the parents come and they say they have trouble with the students getting the proper care.

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And my students flourish because it is a smaller facility. We are quaint. It's a more one-on-one. And I have students that have anything from oppositional defiance disorder. They may be on the spectrum in various stages or they just have speech delays.

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I also am Department of Human Services certified.

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So that means that foster children that are being raised by their foster parents, they do come to me.

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So I deal with a lot of children that have trauma.

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And so I have a certificate in infant toddler mental health.

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And that really helps me maneuver and figure out strategies to help these students.

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My computer died, actually.

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Can you charge it?

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but yeah i mean we have many letters to support uh from members of the community this is a you

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know a facility that has been approved previously by this why don't you show us some photos yeah

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I'm going to show you some photos.

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Not working?

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No, it is.

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I don't think I expected it to be here that long.

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It's not an issue.

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It's just like I should have kept it plugged along the wall

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so my computer sometimes dies.

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Oh, there you go.

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That was quick.

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I just hopefully get back in.

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Uh, let's see.

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I have to get Zoom back in.

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Come on, I just gotta now sign up again.

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I guess you've been invited as a panelist.

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Check your email.

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I don't see the email.

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Not as a panelist.

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Oh, wait.

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Here we go.

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Host invited you.

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Here we go.

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Maybe because I wasn't.

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Let's join.

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let's see

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right

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All right, so let me show you some pictures of the block.

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here's actually some literature all right so a little bit about her we went through

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uh and these are some pictures from you know her website showing the outdoor area

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I'm just trying to find photographs specifically of the property.

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So just, all right, here we go.

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All right, so this is the front of the property.

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There's a common driveway with the owner to the left.

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And I think that's part of the pushback.

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There's an owner to the left.

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I don't know if they showed up.

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There was a controversy of what she didn't show up to the community meeting.

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like we were told that she was on vacation and then we were told that she didn't get the notice

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and you know so it's all in the letter but you know we sent out the person next door the next

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door she's lived they've lived they've owned my client has owned the property for almost over 20

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years and she's been doing this for over 20 years so the person who's lived next door is also lived

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there for over 20 years. And my clients had some issues with that person. So, but here's the notice

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posters. This is hay work to the right of the property to left of the property. Here are the

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interior photos. So, Kelly, what are these photos that we're looking at? Sure. So, this is the

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basement area. I am really big on literacy. You will see books everywhere. I feel as though that

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gives students that don't see certain things a gateway to the world. So downstairs in the top

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left photo is that little barn door goes back to our storage area and my administrator has an

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office back there um there is a set of cubbies the white door is the bathroom um and if we move

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over to the top picture on the right um it's a different angle going forward um that is our um

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you know our circle time rug area um the children have little red furniture so that chair may look

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big in the picture but it's actually for um younger students my preschool students

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um and in the bottom left um it's just a different angle it's the other side of the room

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and um the bottom right is a desk um sometimes school-age children i do uh homework help with

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them. They sit downstairs. That is the desk. There is a boat there. And the children read

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their books on the boat and they rock back and forth. We find that black and brown children

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need to move. But they are the races that go into the fourth grade and can't read at a fourth

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grade level. So what we do is we give them the ability to move back and forth. So they rock in

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the boat and they and they read um and i guess we can go to another picture so that's the um back

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part of the room so that's the left hand side of the room um and we do small um small center

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exercises or activities at the blue table um the on the right side that is uh our bins of everything

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so it's our cubby tower and we have everything in there every type of manipulative you can think of

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is in that cubby tower it has four different sides um bottom left is our sand and water table

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um there's little cubbies and nooks for kids to put things in um and then on the bottom right

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we do have a kitchen set so our dramatic play area is around that area all right and what about here

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what's this so this is actually the bathroom so we have a bathroom on every

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floor and so this picture is I guess just it's showing artwork there's an

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easel there when you have children art children's artwork you need to keep it

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on their level so that's artwork on their level and then this is just

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showing you the bathroom um we were part of early head start our our children aged out

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but they provide diapers wipes and things like that so we have an abundance of them

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but they provide diapers, wipes, and things like that.

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So we have an abundance of those things,

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which gave us the ability to use those for other parents.

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And that is the bathroom in the basement.

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And then that next picture is actually the door

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going into the zero to three area,

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but that is my front door.

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Okay. And then these are more pictures.

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So those are the cubbies for the school age children. That is the front porch area. The picture to the right is my deck. We have all kinds of activities out there. That particular activity, the children were learning about gardening. We do have a scientist that comes out and helps us with different things.

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um the bottom left oh well you moved it you moved um but the bottom left we do have a

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no no that's what i'm trying to there's a lot i'm sorry yeah that's fine there's a lot

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yeah and here are the steps the exterior which most importantly is the exterior steps

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that leads to the lower level so as you can see it's it's a safe transition for the house which

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is important obviously for you know for both my client and this board to understand that they're

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not you know in in a place where there's and you know that is unsafe and then we have fire drills

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regularly so they know how to get out every door yeah and then the person that lives on the first

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on the in the single family dwelling above is a family member is that correct it's myself and my

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son okay there you go so you even live on site so yes proof of mailing for the community meeting

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notice or application for appeal the deed to the property as well as the certificate of tax

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clearance and like i said we have some we have some response if there is some people talking

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about opposition because i do know there may be and i'll leave that to if someone is going to

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you know contest this matter right right um what was the whole tenor of the rco meeting i mean you

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talked to mr goldberg well yeah i did actually that good point um so he presented and he actually

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stated is there any issue here uh there were like 12 members of the community there and and five

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board members and no one said anything so we were actually he was actually surprised by you know the

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vote and and the and and the fact that they were not in support especially since there was a

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temporary variance many years ago this property has been used since 2008 this way and um the

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overwhelming support within the community from the members who use the part so questions from

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the board so what is the issue with the neighbor maybe maybe she can explain that and and has there

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been um any kind of uh activity to kind of remedy that you know throughout the years that that we

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have tried well yeah you know kelly it's better for you to say it than me i know the general sense

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um but you know let kelly speak to that miss graham you wanted me to answer the question

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about just just give us an idea of why the neighbor does not want you to be able to have a

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a permanent permission to have the day care and would rather you continue to have some variance,

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I mean, temporary variances. So I'm actually, I can't definitively say

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that the issue is the child care facility. The neighbor has had issues with us since we moved in.

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So there's information in what the attorney presented.

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There have been several issues since the very beginning.

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And even in the letter that she presented, there's issues that have nothing to do with the child care facility itself.

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So I can only say that it's just me living there.

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I don't know.

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I honestly, I don't know.

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it's been since the beginning she said like the drop-off process how what is your drop-off process

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in terms of the cars uh moving uh to get the students uh dropped off picked up how was that

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um and does that like create any kind of um obstruction for the neighbors you know that

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are just going about their business okay so uh we are between two schools and thank you for asking

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the question we are between two schools an elementary school and a high school um hayward

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street is a thorough thoroughway for between both of those schools um so there's going to be traffic

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in the morning no matter whether i'm there or not um but the drop-off process we do have a community

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uh officer and i went through this with him before um before when

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and i went through this with him before um before when we had the zoning hearing into um in 23. um

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the process is our parents are to either pull into the driveway um or find a parking space

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we live on a two-side residency but one side parking one-way street there's not always parking

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this is Philadelphia people grow up stopping in the middle of the street we ask our parents not

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to do so but if we catch them doing it and if there is not a supervision issue we run out get

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the child and bring the child in our parents that are like clockwork the children are ready

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the process in the driveway on average we've been looking this week and last week the process is

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between two and three minutes. And in regards to the driveway, we use the driveway. The neighbor

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uses the driveway. But in that letter, it seems like she doesn't use the driveway and she uses

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the driveway as well. And so my parents know not to pull all the way in so that if she does need

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