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ZBA Hearing - October 14, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 14, 20205h 0m

One, there's not

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only the traffic,

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congested traffic, that also

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comes from the new development that

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just happened,

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32nd and

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Girard, going all the way

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down towards Jefferson.

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towards Jefferson. There's new development there. New Aldi's market. There's the wine spirit.

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This new development there,

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New Old East market is...

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There's Lemon Hill, the park, where people get in and out going to city city. We have the zoo,

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where people going back and forth to zoo. So it's a heavily congested traffic area with new

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congestion added just in a matter of five or six years ago. This development will make it very

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hard for the pedestrians. When they walk around that curb, if one of those cars speed out of that

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location, they will not be able to see the pedestrian in time because they have to watch

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the zooming traffic in front of them. You have two bus lines, the 32 and the 49. It could be a danger

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to those waiting on the bus because if one of those cars skip the payment because they do try

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to cut around each other uh you have in that curve where they're trying to come off for 33rd and

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popular to get on 33rd there's a little delay that has to happen there it's already kind of dangerous

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at that area but those who know the area know about the delay and knows how the area is so it's

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just a matter of safety for pedestrians that concerns me with this project and i don't see

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with it a lot for parking thank you for allowing me thank you uh i the last couple witnesses with

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no disrespect i hear a lot of repeating of what already miss graham uh did a really good job on

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explaining uh the safety issue so uh i'm gonna go back to the board again is any any questions from

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the board no I have a question Frank yeah I'm wondering what did the traffic

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engineer report on the curve cut and a slowing of traffic to get into the curve

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cut can I share my screen to just show the report to that specific section yes

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Okay. So as you can see on the screen, it says for the driveway design, the geometric design of the proposed driveway also reviewed with regard to the appropriate layout for safe and efficient accommodations of vehicles. The proposed driveway is 21 feet in width for two-way traffic flow and intersects on North 33th Street at a 90-degree angle.

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The total curb width opening is proposed for 24 feet in width, which provides for approximately 1.5 feet radii on both sides.

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The driveway width and orientation is appropriate for a low-volume driveway under which this access is classified.

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It's recommended that the driveway be widened to 10 feet to facilitate entering and accident, which we did.

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And the presence of a driveway in this location will not present any safety issues for drivers using the driveway or traveling through on North 33rd.

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The driveway will not impact, nor will it be impacted by increased traffic conditions that can occur in proximity to the site.

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such as seasonal event detours or typical operations in Fairmount Park programs.

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Excuse me, this is Sharon Saleta.

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I have Ms. Pritzker's client on speakerphone, if he could testify.

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Okay, just to hold off, because Tom asked a question, and I don't know if he has any questions.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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I don't see anything in that what you just read, Ms. Pritzker, that addresses the issue of pedestrians.

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Well, it was a study, it was an analysis done based on the traffic pattern.

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We have also talked to the council office that we would be more than happy to be supportive of helping to get a crosswalk or some signs.

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But again, this is a state highway, so we can't in and of ourselves go do all that.

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And we did say, despite what Tanetta had mentioned, we did say yesterday that we would be willing to do that.

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And I've talked to Mary about that.

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But again, it's not something we can do unilaterally without the city's support and was something that should be discussed with the councilman and the streets department.

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I've done that on many other projects where we've worked with the streets department to get either like additional traffic signs or lighting or things of that nature.

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I had tried to explain that this doesn't trigger like a traffic light.

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we've done that on other projects cost about a quarter million dollars and just given that this

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is 17 units it it doesn't really call for that but we'd be happy to and I can have Keith on the

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record say that he would be happy to work with the city the council office and the streets department

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to try and obtain lighting or crosswalks or whatever is appropriate to help with the

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progesterone side of this and we included in our design bollards and things of that nature to help

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in addition to lighting um and painting to help uh and you know in addition to science to help

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make it so that it's very apparent where the pedestrian um side of this would be um so

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where the pedestrian um side of this would be um so we're happy to do all of that we just i just

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can't imagine putting 17 units by right with no parking in philadelphia given all the concerns

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that we're seeing in this neighborhood and other neighborhoods understood thank you uh

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do you have your client yes yes sir please uh identify yourself spell your first and last name

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Keith Allianz, K-E-I-T-H, last name A-L-L-I-O-T-T-S.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Thank you.

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Please proceed.

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Without belaboring, you know, all the points that have already been addressed, as Rachel said, we did get a traffic study done.

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And I know that there's a 32-unit project going up a couple doors down right on 33rd.

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And I think there's another one or two projects that are going to be developed within the next 12 to 18 months.

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As far as the community's concerns, obviously, I hear all of them.

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Certainly, safety is our main priority.

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As Rachel said, we can only do so much.

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We're limited as to what we can do based on.

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It's a state road.

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I feel like we've done everything we can do.

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We sent the community the traffic study back last March.

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A tremendous amount of time has been, I don't want to say wasted, but spent rather on this project,

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trying to figure out redesigns and every which way we can do things to work with the community.

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Obviously, with the sewer easement, we are extraordinarily limited as to what we can do

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to the point that basically the site plan where it sits now and the parking only works the way

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it stands now we i've offered to pay the city to move the sewer line myself it took me four to six

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months to meet with the water department and and go over all that they don't even have the records

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of that sewer that sewer was never even supposed to be put there they don't have a record on it

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it's over 100 years old um and they couldn't answer as to me answer me as to tell me as to

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why it was put there that being said with the development that's coming on the block

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when the the one thing i'm having a tough time understanding when the community and i do want

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to say there are concerns about pedestrians but just with the 32 units in my property on 33rd

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49 units roughly 50 cars or more forgetting the fact that there's nowhere for those cars to park

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now on the street if they were all to be on the street because i'm on that block all the time

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there's cars on the sidewalk i see car i see i know there's been some stolen cars in the area

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that have crashed into parked cars on the sidewalk at night i have a gentleman on the phone who's

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who's willing to testify andrew who lives on 33rd but that being said if if all of the 17 cars went

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on the street to me that would be much more of a hazard concern than if they were entering and

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exiting out of my property if these cars are lined up on the street and those videos that

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the community Tanetta had put um had shown us all today um exist on a daily basis how are all these

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cars and people getting in and out of these cars with 50 to 70 more cars and i'm like how is that

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even going to work to me at least all 17 cars you want to get them off the street and as long as we

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light the area correctly and do the things we need to do to to to you know with safety is our biggest

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concern as far as the ingress and ingress of the property to me that's by far a better scenario

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You know, then having all these cars parking, double parking, parallel parking, coming in and out of spots with those cars coming over that bridge.

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It's a much more safe. It's much more safer, as far as I'm concerned, to have the cars entering and exiting out of my project on 33rd Street.

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And as Rachel said, and I'll finish up now, we'd be happy to talk to the streets department and anyone else that we need to in order to figure out the best way to make it the safest way for cars to enter and exit the property, as well as for pedestrians to walk up and down that street and cross over into Fairmount Park.

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I appreciate that. And I was just thinking, based on your testimony and Rachel's, that it seems that there's obviously a willingness on your part to work with the council president's office, who represents that neighborhood, to see if there are any other ways of mitigating some of the traffic concerns, both for vehicles and pedestrians.

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I don't want to belabor this case and continue to keep holding it, but unless I'm misreading it, it sounds like there might be some solution or some way of mitigating some of those issues that have been raised.

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uh miss graham i believe i don't know if she's still on the line obviously took a lot of time

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Ms. Graham, I believe, I don't know if she's still on the line, obviously took a lot of time.

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to do the video and we appreciate that so uh if miss if uh if mary's still on from the council

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president's office um could we uh again uh rachel i mean you have a client i'm i'm just again it's

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Just maybe my instincts tell me that further conversation may, may, may lead to some resolution in this, on this case.

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This is Sharon. Can I interrupt? I believe the Planning Commission may also want to weigh in again.

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Yeah, I'm going to get to them next. Thank you, Sharon.

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I just want to put that out there for the record.

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rather than vote this case today i would suggest that maybe all parties go back

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and give it one more shot to see if there's an opportunity again based on uh with what

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miss pritzker and her client said that they'd be willing to work with the council president's

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office and streets department to see if there's other ways in which we can mitigate the concerns

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of and their real concerns of the community so having said that i'll ask the planning commission

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good morning this is paula brumblow burns with the city planning commission

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do you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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i do thank you last week we gave a recommendation of no objection to residential

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but we would ask for a proviso that the parking lot be designed that there be no reversal of

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movements into the street. Okay. I'm sorry. Can I ask you to spell your name, please, Paula?

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Paula, spell your last name. Paula, P-A-U-L-A, Burns, B-U-R-N-S. Thank you.

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Just the FYI, Chair, if we could get everybody to kind of spell their name. We don't, we're not

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working with the court reporter currently. Oh, I forgot you had to check out. Thank you.

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Okay. Thank you. I didn't realize that. All right. Is Mary Jones on? Ms. Jones?

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Yes, I'm here.

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Yeah, I don't want to, you know, I know what you guys go through. I lived the life of a district council person for a number of years.

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Again, maybe the way I'm hearing it, it seems like there's some potential to have further conversation about the issues.

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I think you heard what I said about the issues regarding pedestrian safety issues.

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So I'd like to see this case continue.

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Rachel, if that works for you, I don't know when the next RCO meeting would be.

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I think Ms. Graham is on the line as well.

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Yes, Ms. Graham is still on the line.

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Ms. Graham, would you be opposed to having further conversations?

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No, we would not be opposed.

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Okay.

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So, Ms. Graham, when is your next RCO meeting?

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We normally have them at the end of the month, so it would fall in October.

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Or with this one, but we'd be willing to make a special acceptance,

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as this is a very important issue that needs to be addressed.

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Okay.

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So, I mean, at worst, and I'm going to go to Tanya now.

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Maybe we can do something right after election.

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sometime in november early november um i don't have anything early november um

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no i don't think i'm thinking is

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we can do the 17th of november

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uh rachel does your client have any uh financial deadlines or anything to meet

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um besides the fact that this has been a year and a half i know i know but um i i hear a willingness

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yeah my only concern and i've talked to mary about this is that um you know

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we can say we'll be supportive of anything but we have the city has to play ball with us as far as

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moving that forward so i don't know that we can get anywhere with the streets department with a

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solid commitment in a week or two weeks or a month well i think the council president's office may be

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able to uh expedite that uh those issues with the streets department a lot quicker okay i mean that

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would be really helpful and like we said we're open to um addressing you know pedestrian concerns

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anything is better than people parking on the sidewalk which is what goes on there now

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i understand that and it's what one of the reasons why i think that maybe further conversation might

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hopefully maybe come to some resolution uh for both sides so again tanya what is that date

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um for both sides uh so again tanya what is their date we can do november the 17th at 9 30.

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and will you let me know tanya if there's an opportunity to

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do it sooner than that if it the opportunity arises

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um we really don't i'm with bulk salad and we're off the week before so

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okay and then we off i'm trying to squeeze you in actually

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okay um okay thank you tanya calendar number three nine i'm sorry start again calendar number

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three seven hi i'm gonna hang up now okay yes thank you thank you calendar number three seven

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nine six seven one five oh one dash oh five north 33rd this hearing will be resumed on

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November the 17th at 9 30 a.m. at which time we will uh we will uh consider any feedback

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related to the RCO and the council president's office. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all.

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Ms. Graham thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Um this is Sharon Saleta. I have um

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Mr. Ward is now available. He has signed on. If you can go back to the case that was called this

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morning it is number eight on your hearing list um north 23rd yes and following that um mr matione

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i i also have the information on the case that he discussed this morning okay thank you all right

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so let's go to calendar number three nine zero nine three two nine six four north 23rd street

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mr ward i'm sorry confessor are you back

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yes i'm back i'm having issues it cuts off no it was me i'm sorry i've sent you to

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as an attendee but i brought you back as a parent okay i'm back now i'm going to promote sean ward

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good morning mr ward please identify yourself with the record and i'll swear you in

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Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Sean Ward, 331 East Street Road, Trevos, PA, 19053, attorney for the applicant.

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We're going to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Yes, I do.

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Thank you. I think we were waiting for you to come back to us about your attempts to meet with the RCO, correct?

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That is correct.

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I'm attempting to share my screen.

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i don't know if everybody sees it not yet

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oh sorry

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how's that not now yeah yeah you got it yes okay uh mr chairman uh following the hearing

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on october 1st uh we we agreed to hold the case for two weeks uh pursuant to an agreement with

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the councilwoman's office and

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Charles Richardson.

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I did notify the RCO by

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email that the

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case was held for two weeks

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pending a meeting

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and the response I got on

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October 1st was that they would

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schedule it ASAP

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and I have heard

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nothing since.

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I would ask that this case be

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voted.

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Is Mr. Richardson on the line?

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