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ZBA Hearing - November 18, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Nov 18, 20251h 19m

our vice chair has a few questions for you okay okay good morning did have you submitted your

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documents five days in advance of this hearing? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And this chair just read your

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refusal. Do you stipulate to the accuracy of the refusal? Yes. Yes, I do. Okay. All right. Thank

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you. Okay. Okay. Show me. Oh, I'm sorry. So how this all started, I always thought that my building

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was zoned as commercial at the bottom because when I boarded, it was zoned as commercial at

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the bottom and apartment upstairs. So I recently, a couple of years ago, I became a licensed

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cosmetology teacher. So how I even found out that my zoning was switched is that I went downtown

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to Illinois to try to do the steps to make my building a cosmetology school. They told me that

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my building zoning was switched on me and I had no idea. I paid trash every year as commercial

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property as $500 a month. I mean, not a month, a year because I'm a commercial building. I had no

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idea that it was switched or whatever. I just always thought it was commercial because my plan

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is to do classes, to do different. I have a contract on hold with a healthcare agency to do

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community events and whatever when it comes to the seniors and stuff. And I can't sit here and teach

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and do here okay so i think we understand how this started so why don't so why don't i said

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that's okay so why don't you start can you see your proposal your yes all right so why don't

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you start talking about what you have there and what you want to do it's how long have you been

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there you should i've owned a building for about to be 15 years i'm a young entrepreneur 37 years

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old. And everything is just an open space right now. So I'm just trying to get my zoning

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and together that I didn't know that it was, you know, switch. I don't have any issues

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with the neighbors. I've been a part of the community, a part of the neighborhood. I have

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a good relationship with all the neighbors on all the blocks. The block captain is behind

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me as well. And I was explaining to him how this even started out is because I went down

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on my own self because I was trying to do different classes,

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what you charge and stuff like that as well.

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But they told me that my building was switched on me,

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and I didn't get no notification or nothing.

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Did you post the building?

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Who?

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Posted.

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Did you put a poster outside?

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My zona board?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Do you have a picture of that?

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Yes.

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Oh, I see.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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All right.

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I posted on both sides.

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They told me on.

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Do you stay in the apartment upstairs?

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No.

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All right.

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all right okay i live out delco okay do you have a picture give us some more pictures inside

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um of the first floor yeah well you don't have to i mean on here just showing here

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Well, you don't have to, I mean, on here, just show on here.

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and go back and show the inside

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Ian, go back and show the inside of the place.

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Please, thank you.

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Okay.

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and there was a picture of a bathroom in there too am i right it's only in a it's in a bit okay

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um and in my notes it talks about you had tried to notify a few rcos

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Yes. I don't know if y'all remember me last time I was on the Zoom meeting with all you guys, and I was letting you know I sent over a notification. My zoning had got switched from All in the Family to Swamp Poodle. I took the time, when it was All in the Family, I took the tribe to drive up to the address because when I call, I don't get no answers. And then when you email, they don't respond back.

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So it got switched over to Swamp Poodle.

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Colin, I believe somebody named by the Colin or something was helping me out.

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Like we were communicating through emails and whatever.

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And the gentleman had told me to hop on the Zoom, the last Zoom meeting with you guys

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to tell y'all what's going on because I've sent out several emails.

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They gave me a date for last time.

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They gave me a date.

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They switched my date and was like, I guess they had too many cases that they couldn't

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do it.

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And then I kept emailing them and stuff, trying to get a new date for my zoning board.

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And they was not responding back.

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So the last time I had a zone board meeting in front of y'all on a Zoom, I believe it was you, sir, that told me.

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I think so.

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But I'm not sure, though.

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But I believe it was you.

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And you said, after we finished this call, because I stayed on a Zoom until like 5 o'clock or 6 o'clock to the end.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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So I explained to you guys what was happening.

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I was communicating with these people.

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I was emailing them.

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You told me as soon as I get off the Zoom to email them.

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And if they do not email me back, you told me to use template two and mail it out to, you know, the the the properties that's within 250 square footage.

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But it has been a horrible experience with the RCOs.

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Thank you very much. Questions from the board. You're welcome.

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So your plan is to operate a cosmetology school?

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My plan is to do a cosmetology school with classes because I can't actually do a big school, but that's like doing events and charging them as well.

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And I also plan on doing other events, too, as well, to be honest with you.

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So I have a lot of stuff coming that I want to do with this.

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It's called Helping Hands.

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It's a home agency.

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So I want to do like a bingo situation with the seniors and stuff like that.

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I have someone that's going to come in and do knitting classes as well.

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I have a credit person as well.

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So it's like, it's a mixture of different things that I would like to do to be honest with you guys.

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And I just wanted to do it the correct way.

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But I always thought that my building was commercial and I didn't know that it was switched.

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How many people are you planning to have on site at a time?

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Like, how many are you envisioning in this space?

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Like 40.

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40?

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Yeah.

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No.

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And then for the cosmetology school, is this all going to be sort of like lecture instruction?

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Yes, it's going to be lecture.

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So they're not going to be practice?

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I just wondered because you don't necessarily have other water hookups.

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No, no, no, no.

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It's going to be like lecture instructions and then it's going to be me instructing and it's going to be like, it's not going to be like hands on.

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It's going to be like look and learn.

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And it's like with the curriculum that I do want to do, because it's not actually a school.

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It's like you're doing classes, which you charge people to do.

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And since I'm licensed, I'm able to do like the classes according to the state boards, but I have to have my property structured the correct way in which I thought it was because it always was a hair salon, even previously before I bought it too. So I purchased it as that, and I never knew that it was switched and I'm still being charged commercial for trash. And they said they can't give my money back.

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oh I have a question um is in looking at this picture board member Graham this is a matter

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that you're recused from oh that's right I don't know not this one yeah I think it was this one

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is it this oh I'm sorry never mind I'm looking at the wrong one my apology

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oh my question was if I'm looking at this picture where is the the back door um how would you get

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out of the uh it's a it's a it's a back door where the bathroom is at okay so it's after

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beyond the bathroom yeah okay and the repairs that we're seeing now this is the current state

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of the property right okay yes i'm sorry i didn't mean to say other questions from the board yeah

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one more question is there a kitchen net on the property uh kitchenette yeah i'm just trying to

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Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out this pass through that's next to the exit that has the cutout in the wall.

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figure out this pass-through that's next to the exit that has the cutout in the wall what is that

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What is that leading? That's the door. Those are shutters like the shutter.

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The shutters are down. So that's why it's dark because I took it when I was inside.

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OK, so those are. Yeah, those are windows to the Herald Street into 22nd Street.

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That's the that's the storefront. Yes. OK.

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That's the corner of the property. Yes, it's the corner of the property.

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Yeah. Other questions on the board.

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questions or comments from our attorney um so i just wanted to get a little clarification on what

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you're doing because your refute your referral is for personal services however if you're having

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events that is not personal services that's actually a different zoning category so if you

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want to be having events like a bingo night or something like that you're going you actually

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were going to need to amend the refusal so that it includes what's called assembly and entertainment

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um because that is that is what you're doing the classes that you're teaching that would be

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considered personal services um but having events at the property is not personal services so you

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wouldn't under the application that you have now you wouldn't be permitted to do events so

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you need to amend the refusal to add that use to the refusal okay see they they put person i don't

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know nothing about personal service but when i went down to lni at the municipal building they

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did all the wording and stuff i just told them what i wanted so i didn't i didn't personally

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know exactly what personal service was i just explained to them everything that i was planning

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on doing and then they did the application i did the application and stuff and then i had to get

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transferred over to the gentleman that did my refusal or something like that right right i didn't

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I don't know like what personal service actually falls under.

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I just went, I just explained to them the stuff that I wanted to do and then they categorized

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what I needed and then they sent over the refusal.

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So I didn't, I don't know nothing about like everything that goes under personal service.

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Right.

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No, personal, personal services would be like a hair salon.

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Or if you're having, you know, classes of, of different types, like you talked about,

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that would be personal services.

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But if you're having events, that would be under assembly and entertainment.

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So if you're doing services is not is not events like I mean, if you're having an event related to your classes or something, but you're talking about having a bingo night or something that's separate, distinct, you're having different groups of people come into the property that is assembly and entertainment.

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So it will be different groups coming into the property with personal service too, right?

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Like if you're doing like classes, like say if you're doing a balayage class, like it's

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a class that I plan on doing, that's different people coming into the building too, right?

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Right.

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But you're teaching classes, like that would be considered personal services.

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If you're having events that people are coming out to, like a bingo night, that is a different

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category in the zoning code.

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So if I wanted to do both, what do you, because I explained everything I wanted to do.

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Right.

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Do you need to have the refusal amended?

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So you have to send the zoning ward a letter and ask permission to amend the refusal to add the use of assembly and entertainment to the refusal.

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So add the assembly.

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We can provide you instructions.

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Yeah.

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We'll provide instructions over email so that you can do that.

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But, yes, you need to amend your refusal in order to be able to have events that are not the classes.

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Okay.

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And once I do that, I'll be able to do the hair classes, too?

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Yes.

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The classes, that falls under personal services.

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That's fine.

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It's just the other events that you were talking about, those would not fall under personal services.

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personal services is like you know health and welfare sort of stuff you know gym you know nails

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hair spa you know like those sorts of things okay um so you go beyond that then you need to you're

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in another category okay so i can do that and then amend the other one with assembly yes well we'll

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give you instructions for for what you need to do so um i believe the board was going to hold this

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anyway because you have an RCO meeting in a couple

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of days. I didn't get any

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notice. No. Oh, that's the

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approval. Oh, sorry.

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She can allow us to mix up

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today, huh?

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Hillary, so what I think we could do

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is, tell me if I'm wrong,

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we'll continue normally,

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we'll take testimony from the public today.

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Yes. Right? And then what we'll do is

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we'll make this a resumptive hearing.

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I guess we can do that. Okay.

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All right.

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Questions or comments from the...

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it does say too that there she may be missing a refusal for multiple principal right uses on a

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lot so because you're going to be doing these different things you may need to when you do

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the amendment, you may need to have permission to do, to have multiple principles.

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you may need to have permission to do to have multiple principal uses on a lot the assembly

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and entertainment and other personal service okay so here's what we're going to do somebody's going

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to help you right in get back to her and tell her what she needs to do i have a question because i'm

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a single mom paying for college right now and is this another seven hundred dollars i have to pay

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what's for me will this be another seven hundred dollars that i have to pay because i had to pay

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a lot of money for this. No, no, no, no, no. You're just, you're just, you're just making a

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change to your current application to reflect what you're actually doing. It's not, you're not

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submitting a new application. You're not submitting a new appeal. No. Okay. All right.

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