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ZBA Hearing - November 10, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Nov 10, 20216h 2m

accordingly the planning commission recommends that the board approve the special exemption

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thank you mr council as it relates to the hours of operation is it fair to say that if we go to

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11 p.m no no events later than 11 p.m that would be friday and saturday yes and sunday i meant to

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say saturday and sunday uh miss reason could you weigh in on on sunday

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because the next day is a work day and that's why people usually don't want

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these events to take place late yeah so it would just be saturday on friday and saturday

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it's considered the weekend okay and nine o'clock uh sunday through thursday all right

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MI 2021-003-219-6114-16 Lansdowne Avenue.

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My vote is yes with the following proviso.

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No events to take place past 11 p.m. on weekends.

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to take place past 11 p.m. on weekends

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and events not to take place

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after 9 p.m. weekdays,

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Monday through Thursday.

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Five-year temporary lease

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to expire December 1, 2026.

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Thank you.

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Carol Tenere.

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Give me the extra six months

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to get up and running.

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Carol Tenere, my vote is yes,

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with provisors.

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Professor Plaza yes with proviso

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James Snell yes with proviso

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Thomas Holloman yes with proviso

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Case number 9 MI 2021

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003233622 North Sedgwick Street

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Mr. Nockamson is the attorney of record

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I'm sorry, Chair, I believe we continued

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Okay, thank you, I wasn't here for that, thank you

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Okay, we go to case number 10. MI 2021-003221, 800 Cotman Avenue. Amy Farrell is the attorney of record. Burholm Community Town Watch and Civic sent a letter of support. And I've also been informed that Councilwoman Parker sent a letter of non-opposition, or is stating that she's not opposed to this.

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Ms. Farrell? Ms. Young, are you the attorney on this case? Yes, my name is Natalie Young. I'm from

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Kaplan-Stewart with Ms. Farrell. I'm the attorney. Okay, Ms. Young, would you please spell your first

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and last name? Yes, it's N-A-T-A-L-I-E, Young, Y-O-U-N-G. Do you swear or affirm to tell the

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truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Yes. Thank you. Ms. Tenere has a few questions

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for you and she's coming in now as a panelist chair thank you do you hello do you agree to

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weigh the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy yes hello i believe i actually got

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disconnected there for a second can you hear me yes so yes you again so do you do agree to weigh

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the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy yes have you emailed the exhibit packet

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with proof of ownership, tax compliance, a copy of the refusal or referral, photos and or plans

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of the property five days in advance of this hearing, and have you met with the RCO, and do

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you have a letter? Yes, to all of that. Okay, great. Thank you. You may proceed. Okay.

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Okay. Are you able to see my screen?

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Not yet.

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Not yet. All right. One second.

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All right.

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You, but not the screen.

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Me, but not the screen. All right. Hold on.

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How about now?

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Got it now.

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Okay, great.

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Thank you.

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All right, so my name is Natalie Young. I'm here on behalf of Newtown Park Association, who is the applicant in this case. I do have, I believe, Dave Waterman on, David Waterman on with me on this call, and possibly Ben Willner, both of Newtown Park Association.

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Okay so this property is located at 800 Cotman Avenue. This property is zoned RM2 and consists

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of a multi-story residential apartment building with a one-story component along Cotman Avenue

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frontage that's historically housed several commercial tenants. This property has a long

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history of small-scale commercial tenants on the first floor that cater to the building

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residents and also provide services to the surrounding area. However, those tenants have

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often struggled to maintain a commercial presence in the community given the location of the

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commercial spaces and the setback from the roadway as the property appears to be residential.

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several tenants in the recent years they vacated they miss young do you have any

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exhibits you can show us aside from the table of contents yes well let me let me start with

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just to put into the record we want to mark all of our uh exhibits that were provided

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and we do have um well here's the refusal and then we will start with where this is located

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so this is located along cotman avenue um here's where the property itself is uh courtesy from the

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um here's where the property itself is uh it's hard to see from the zoning but here's the

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zoning but

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storefront but it's a mix of uh industrial and commercial uses as well as residential uses

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along this area um so it's important to note though that several tenants have vacated in recent years

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because um and that the owner has has undertaken a renovation project to kind of increase visibility

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to the to the site. And these signs that we're here today for are part of that renovation project.

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So here is our application. And so the six, so the application for appeal is based upon a refusal.

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There's the refusal. The refusal was for two rooftop signs on their accessory signs.

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They would be on the first floor unit, not on the rooftop of the larger multi-story apartment

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structure. This would appear on the roof. They're called rooftop signs because they would appear on

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the roof of the commercial structure on the bottom. And then the refusal is also related

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to two freestanding pylon signs, which would have lighting and show the names of the commercial

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tenants who are applying for these spaces.

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Okay.

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So a consistent point of discussion with potential tenants has been the concern of

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visibility from the roadway and the applicant is seeking a variance to install two roof signs.

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These signs will kind of mesh the residential use with the commercial use. They will kind of

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indicate, you know, give a name or give a landmark for this property. The two freestanding signs are

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where the retail tenants names can be displayed in a manner that's easily to read, visible both

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to vehicular traffic and to put traffic, and to gain recognition and support for the new businesses

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that would be coming there into the retail spaces. As you can see, the current

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so let's go to the aerial photos um here again just to orient yourself to the area

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is where we are along cotman um here's the 800 cotman

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and here is the street view of the property from google street view i believe this is during

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the res during the renovations you can see the one sign um on the corner here

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and again here is the the multi-level residential unit here with the commercial space in front

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and this is the other entrance and we'll get a little closer look at the sign but

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here's the other sign that we're seeking to replace

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and again here's another look at that sign

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All right so here's a closer look at the front of the building. These are the six commercial spaces.

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The space on the end, the right end, let me see if we get a better look up here, I believe is used

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as the office building for the Regency Park Apartments and the one roof sign we're looking

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to put would be right here on this first floor commercial space.

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Here's the existing freestanding sign at the one entranceway that is kind of outdated

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and doesn't really fit with the modern look.

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Also it's very difficult the way that this sign was placed in order to read the retail

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names that are in there.

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Same thing with this view, the passing cars cannot read the names of the properties that

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are in there.

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And then this is the other sign on the other entrance.

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It does not display the names of any of the tenants.

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So again, our goal is to increase visibility.

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We will come back.

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these are some of the neighboring properties along Cotman Avenue and the 800 and 900 block

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that have similar uses and signs, but we can come back to those. I want to show you the site plan.

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So just to blow this up right here, you can see

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where we're looking to put the signs. This right here is along that first floor

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where we're looking to put the signs. This right here,

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the front side one of the two roof signs would be along here. The second roof sign

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would be along this side which is also visible from a small street or parking

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lot and entrance here. These are the two signs on either side of the parking lot

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at either entrance. Okay and here are the plans. So I'm going to keep them blown up

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a little. This is currently the way the conditions look here. I don't know how big this is on

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your screen if you can see that. Without the sign, this is what's visible right now from the roadway.

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We are proposing a roof sign right here that says Regency Park Apartments. This

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location here is the office building, I believe, for Regency Park Apartments.

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My client can clarify that, but I believe that's where it is located.

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And then this is the side of the building. Again, it would also say Regency Park.

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Now this was on the far corner. This smaller sign here is what is currently visible

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from the roadway. We are proposing a change to the square footage and a modernization of

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the sign which would make it more visible from the roadway, gain more attention by

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the public and the foot traffic as to the tenants that are located within this strip,

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and it would be more modernized and easier to read and include graphics for the retailers

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that are applying. Now I'd like to point out, again, that this is zoned RM2, so anything

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that we do that's a commercial use, including signs, we have to seek a variance. So for

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For each commercial tenant that's going to come in, we will be back to see variants for

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these signs because it's zoned RM2.

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That's why it was refused.

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And then here is the other large sign, which is on the other side of the entrance.

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This is what currently exists.

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This is what we can expect to see.

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And just so that you can get an idea of the size.

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This is what we anticipate the signs will look like. It's currently roughly about the same size,

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but it increases the area that can be used for graphics and for advertising.

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And we did meet with the Bermhold Civic Association, as was noted earlier. We had a

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a pretty well attended meeting and it was 14 individuals within the near neighbor

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proximity who voted in support of this of the sign project and they were interested in seeing

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they were interested that this area was recently remodeled and modernized and they're interested in

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having long-term tenants there and we feel that by improving the visibility from the roadway

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given the setback of the space from the roadway

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that these modern signs would really do well

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to bring in and bring recognition

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to what would otherwise not be visible retail spaces.

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Ms. Young, I think you can summarize

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if that would be helpful.

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And if you have your client,

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we'll have your client adopt your testimony.

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Yes, Mr. Waterman, are you there?

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Can you raise your hand, please?

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yes and he's been allowed to speak good afternoon sir please spell your name and i'll swear you in

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we may be having technical difficulties uh you being an officer to court will stipulate that

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your client would have adopted your testimony yes correct he would have been adopted that's right

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any questions from the board no mr chairman no no anyone else would like to testify in this case

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if so please raise your hand yes chair we have a calling user ending in one three zero zero

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calling user you can unmute yourself and wait for the chair please identify yourself by spelling

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your name hi there this is david waterman i apologize i'm

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hi there this is david waterman i apologize i might have had some technical issues uh chairman

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chico so you're absolutely right i uh let me do this if you don't mind uh spell your last name

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and i'll swear you in yes sir waterman w-a-t-e-r-m-a-n you swear for him to tell the truth

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the whole truth nothing but the truth i do thank you ms young hi david were you able to hear my

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the testimony i presented yes i was i heard it from the very start okay do you agree that it

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is correct or do you have anything you need to add no i think you did a good job on the summary

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and presentation i have nothing to add and i agree with your testimony okay so you adopt my

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testimony i do thank you anyone else to testify in this case please raise your hand

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no more hands here thank you planning commission

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good afternoon chair peter bernard for the planning commission

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the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the rm2 residential multifamily at this location

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we feel the applicant has failed to demonstrate a hardship for the roof mounted signage

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but feel that the other proposed signage is largely in keeping with the regulations for

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CMX2 commercial use as the property is used and the proposed variances are de minimis accordingly

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the planning commission recommends the board deny the variance for roof signage but has no

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opposition to the board granting the variances for building mounting and freestanding signs

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thank you MI 2021-003221 800 Cotman Avenue my vote is yes

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Carol Tenere, my vote is yes

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Professor Plaza, my vote is yes

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James Snell, my vote is yes

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Thomas Holloman, my vote is yes

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Thank you, that concludes the two o'clock list

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If anyone, Phil, they've not been recognized, please raise your hand

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No hands, Chair

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Thank you. It is 3.55. We'll come back at 4.05. Does that work for everyone?

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Sounds good. Yes. See you all back here at 4.05.

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