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ZBA Hearing - July 26, 2023

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jul 26, 20235h 26m

basically for the parking i would believe

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We do have the earth moving variance as well as a steep slope variance.

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Some of these things we can't change because we are on a steep slope.

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So during our presentation, we're first going to review quickly the original notice of refusal.

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I noticed that there were a number of missions in the original notice of refusal.

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So we asked L&I to amend the refusal.

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to account for those additional variances we're requesting for. So exhibit two is the amended

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notice of refusal. And then we have a petition that we circulated throughout the neighborhood

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which shows support for this project. Then we have a correspondence from the Manionk

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Neighborhood Council. So we did meet with them, I believe it was last Tuesday, regarding this

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matter. Originally, we were supposed to meet on a Monday. There was like a confusion with the

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current representative from the group. We had no issue meeting on a Tuesday. But, you know, again,

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it originally was a Monday. Then we have illustrations of the 200 block of Greenock

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Street and nearby of nearby off-street parking. And then we have maps of the area, photographs

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of the property, our original architectural plans and drawings, but then we made some clarifications

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with revised architectural plans and drawings, which is the basis of our amended notice and

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refusal as well. Our RCO meeting notice, our application for appeal that we filed on behalf

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of 251 Greenog ST LLC, our deed to property showing that entity owns the property, and the

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certificate of tax clearance. At the conclusion of this matter, I would ask that Mr. Hardiman,

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the owner's representative, who's also the member of the organization, virtually raise his hand.

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I would ask AB sworn in, and then we can ask him some questions so he can adopt

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my testimony as his own. And Mr. Hardiman may be able to answer some factual questions regarding

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this matter as well all right so the noise refusal again we're not looking to increase density here

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this is a single family uh sony classification what we're trying to do is is erect an attached

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structure including a roof deck roof deck access structure um as well um as a another deck uh

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including a front loading garage size and location um shown on the plans and the only refusal we

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received was about the earth moving plan that we did not provide one i looked at it i said that you

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know we're we're providing off-street parking so base level zoning because of the zoning

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classification we would need a refusal we're also in an nco which uh does not allow for a front

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loading garage so i understood you know that we would need another refusal uh so here is the

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updated refusal specifically for this project. And if this board feels so inclined in October

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to grant the variance request, I would ask that they grant it with proviso, with amended refusal

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dated July 20th, 2023, you know, just for record keeping purposes. So three of the refusals,

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the first three refusals all have to do with parking, as we understood the case would be.

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The fourth refusal had to do with the earth moving plan or lack thereof that we provided.

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And, you know, we'll provide that plan prior to next resumption here.

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And then the last refusal has to do with earth disturbance.

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So when you're on a steep slope like this, when there's more than 1,400 square feet of land area that's disturbed, that requires an additional refusal.

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I will say that the majority of the earth disturbance is the building structure itself that we fall below that amount.

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But for technical purposes, we are above 1,400 square feet.

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So my client took it upon himself to personally go to members of this community.

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And again, really the basic gist of this zoning variance request is parking and off-street parking in particular.

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And you can see from the presentation, there are four other addresses on our block on Green Alk Street in support of this project.

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There are a lot of addresses on RIPCA, which is parallel to us on Greenock.

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ultimately is this, and you'll see this in our materials, this is a situation where we're not

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Ultimately, is this, and you'll see this in our materials, this is a.

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taking a parking spot off the street. And, you know, there was some issue about like, well,

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there's parking allowed on the street. There's not. There's a no parking sign at the end of the

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block. You'll look at the pictures. You'll see that. I even have a video. My client drove on

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the block. And I would like to show that video shortly at the conclusion of my presentation,

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which shows that there is there's no parking allowed on that side of the block so us creating

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a curb cut is not taking a parking spot off the street so the thing is with this project which is

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very particular is that where my client's property is there's not there the street's not paved it's

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not completed so we're actually with this project extending our streets on greenock street where

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we're creating two parking spots across the street so we're in in essence making a net

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positive of three the reason why i'm discussing this is when my client was distributing the

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petition a few a few members of the community that signed this you know stated it was a no-brainer

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like the parking situation in maniunk is really hard it's there's not park there's not a lot of

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parking in maniunk and to take one car off the streets by having a front-loading garage where

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not taking you you're not eliminating a public parking spot on our side plus you're creating two

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other parking spots across the street because we're extending the streets and having a net

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positive of three many members of the community this willingly said of course i'm going to sign

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this it's going to help the parking situation in manioc so anyway that's where we that's well

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the gist of the petition and then here are the letters of support behind it

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and then we got correspondence from the manning up neighborhood council

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uh they did not think too kindly of our presentation um you know again they basically

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it was this we're against front-loading garages this is part of our overlay and we're never for

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it and i can understand conceptually that's the case a couple things to factor in again no parking

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is allowed on our side of the street. We're actually extending the street out where we're

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creating two parking spaces, which makes that even more unique than any zoning variance I've

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ever asked for legalization of a front-loading garage. So that alone, there are particular

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circumstances here. But what you'll see here is that no one in the affected area, at least how I

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read this uh you know this letter no one with the affected area is against this project

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the only people opposed to this project are mnc members which presumably is members of the board

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of the manioc neighborhood council maybe some neighbors but no one within the affected area

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actually voted against this project and if you look at their letter these are their issues a lot

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of them are not even related to this matter the setback requirement there's a there's a reading by

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the by the zoning examiner that stated that we complied with our setback requirement

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the the manioc neighborhood council stated that the lni examiner was wrong and i said you know

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we we actually double checked when we submitted the amended zoning uh application we even said

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please look at this matter please make sure that that you're not wrong with this as well and they're

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like no we're correct so there's no issue in terms of of of the setback and we'll show you on the

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plans the next one deals with the front yard parking um we wanted to be set back in the front

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it's a design element because of our steep slope which we can't avoid we wanted to have

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habitable space like technically it's below but it's really not and how we're creating that light

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and air for that lower level that's all above grades essentially because of the slope is that

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we have holes like you know great a great basically as our driveway so it's a unique design feature

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and we're asking to have it you know the buildings you know set back in the front to be able to

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provide the light and air necessary for those for those other floors which we want to make

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habitable that are all above grade. Then going to habitable space there there's an interpretation

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that this board at the Manioc neighborhood council is making stating that we're not providing

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habitable space in the front of the first floor in violation of their overlay. We don't agree

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We don't agree with that interpretation. Actually, the City Planning Commission reached out to us recently specifically about this, whether we have habitable space, so we're not in violation of code.

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with that interpretation actually the city planning commission

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It was stated to us by Alex Smith and Aaron Hawley of the City Planning Commission that they wanted to make sure that we've dealt with this appropriately because they didn't want a situation where we got ZBA approval for a variance.

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we get to the building permit stage and then we have this open item so we had a very detailed

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meeting with them throughout the whole project I said let's not only talk about the habitable space

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I want to make sure we comply with all the other requirements of the overlay and if we don't then

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I would like to make sure that that's part of any refusal they confirmed to us that we met the

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habitable space requirement because our 4a area which is not really a 4a area is more like a study

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because we would have seating there, we would have maybe a desk there, it is habitable. And

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they were in agreement, given the largeness of the space, given the functionality of the space,

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that's not an item. But again, that's the second item that was brought up to us

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as this L&I missed a refusal. And again, I feel like it's more so that they're missing refusals,

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or we're not happy with the fact that you're doing off-street parking in violation of our

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overlay. But during that meeting with Mr. Smith and Mr. Holly, we went through all of the requirements

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of the overlay. And according to them, because I was there at that meeting, we met all the

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requirements other than the front-loading garage requirements. And that's why we're here today.

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And then the parking. The developer offered a series of off-street parking examples from the

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area. They predate the current zoning, predate the NCO, and are not in a Ridge Park overlay.

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Again, my philosophy in zoning variance law in Philadelphia is simple, and this board has heard

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it before. If I walk by the property built or used as proposed, does it stick out like a sore thumb

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or is it something that fits within the fabric of the community? Maniunk has a really difficult

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parking situation. I take my dog. Every other week, I go to Maniunk and go on Main Street to

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give him a bath. It's really hard to find parking around there, right? So if we can alleviate the

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situation in Manningham by providing off-street parking where we're not taking away a public

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parking spot by creating a curb cut there. Plus, we're adding two parking spaces because we're

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extending the street out. Well, that makes sense. But not even that, it's on that block. There are

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multiple instances on our side of Greenog where parking's not allowed, where there are curb cuts.

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maybe yes they do they predate uh the overlay yes but it makes sense like again i feel like

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the you know the manioc neighborhood council which i respect i think they're great i think

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they're sophisticated i think they ask the right questions and i think most times are reasonable

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here i don't think they're being reasonable i think they're trying to cut off their nose to

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spite their face at least for the community because they're making the parking situation worse

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What they're saying is build a single-family home with no off-street parking, put that car on the street with everyone else where there's a humongous problem in Manioc.

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And the next thing they talk about, any claims related to the street appear to be speculative.

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They talk about us creating that sidewalk, whether it's a public street.

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You know, there was a whole discussion during the meeting. Well, this is not even an open street. This is not a public street. Well, we got records from the city, which shows that that's a public street, you know, specifically for this hearing, because I didn't even think this was an issue, a zoning issue, but we decided to do our due diligence and get that. And we have confirmation in these in open streets.

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um they talk about mr knockamson mr knockamson could you go back one minute sure the the issue

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about the you had correspondence from the streets department they said they never received it

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what's that about correspond let's see hold on let me see a closer they assert that they they

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they had discussions through the streets department and offers us a copy of the

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correspondent. I don't know. Again, we share everything. So I apologize if we missed something.

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No, no. I'm just curious what the correspondence was about. That's all.

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I don't know. Alex Goldberg from my office.

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Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.

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Yes. So the earthmoving plan report, yes, we're going to provide that. And that's where we're

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asking for the resumption hearing. And finally, about heritage trees. Our building footprint

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is not large and we purposefully put our building footprint where we don't expect where we where the

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And we purposefully put our building footprint where we don't expect, where the trees aren't, right?

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trees aren't

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We actually, one of the benefits of this lot, not only is it a steep slope, but it's surrounded by trees.

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If in any way there needs to be a removal of heritage trees, which we don't believe would be the case, we are required by the building code to replace them.

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And that's what we plan to do.

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We want to create this type of foresty feel.

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So again, I think that's also a red herring where they bring up all these things, but it ultimately comes down to this. They don't want off-street parking on this lot. And they're giving every reason why this project is wrong, but they don't really go to the crux of it. They try to add everything. This is just a single-family home on a single-family neighborhood that has off-street parking where there's much off-street parking similar to this.

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and then here are the examples 283 Greenock Street I try to stay within our block or within

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the block 255 Greenock Street 257 Greenock Street 275 and 277 Greenock Street 279 and 281 Greenock

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Street this is the parking site on our side of the street at the beginning of the block

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no parking anytime this is our hearing notice poster right you can see we're like there's a

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house down on the bottom that's not ours but you'll see from the aerial view what I'm talking

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about like how this is a unique property these are not in the NCO but these are properties that

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are nearby which both would have front loading garages 450 4579 boon 266 cramps and then here

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are all these properties which run parallel to us on Ripka Street, where it's 278-60 Ripka Street,

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all front-loading garages. 304-08 Heritage, 4745-55 Sheldon, again, front-loading garages.

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And then maps of the area, again, very unique property. But here we are on Greenog Street here.

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and then just from a google maps perspective and then this is what we got from the streets

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department so here's greenock street here's fowler we're on the other side of fowler and

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you can see there's a there's a street here same thing here we received uh from the city

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and then photographs the property so we're essentially right here you can see there

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you know another thing they stated was like here you're taking away two parking spots from us

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because these two cars here cars illegally parked at the on the dead end of public street is not

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public parking it's just someone conveniently using it but that's not public parking but it's

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a very unique uh uh lot and then here's green nog street from our perspective right everyone's

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parked on this side we're on this side it's not happen chance that we're like you know that there's

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no one parked on this side. First of all, there's a no parking sign at the beginning of the block.

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Secondly, if someone parked on this side and someone parked on this side, there would be no

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streets. You couldn't go through the streets. And then this is where we are over here, but this is

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the dead end, right? We're extending the street out and we're going to be creating two legal

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parking spots. So hopefully those two cars, which are not parked legally, will have a place to park.

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And then these are original plans, which you don't have to worry about, but these are our revised plans. Again, the rendering. We're trying to really make it pretty because it's, again, a very unique property. But unfortunately, if we don't get the off-street parking, it's going to be fairly difficult for us to sell this property. That means you may never get built.

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And again, as you know, when my client Darren Hardiman

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canvassed the neighborhood and he'll be testifying,

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that was stated over and over.

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It's like the last thing this neighborhood needs

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is another building structure

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with no parking associated with it.

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Here, we're doing a building structure

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where there are three parking spots associated with it.

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Two created on the street, one created off the street.

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And then this is just another angle.

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Again, very unique property

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were nestled in this foresty area

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and we purposefully situated this property

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that we're gonna do as least damage to that as possible.

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And if we have to relocate trees,

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my client's more than ready, willing, and able to do it.

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And again, you just see the slope

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where the front part of the property doesn't look that high.

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You go to the back part of the property,

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it's really deep and humongous and there's four stories.

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And it's just a very pretty, unique property for someone who's really interested in buying into Maniunk with parking.

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with parking. And then this is, again, our site plan. This goes to the earth disturbance variance.

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And then this is...

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So 1,283 square feet of earth disturbance for the building coverage. And then there's an

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additional earth disturbance of 229 square feet at the front of the property, where there is no

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issue with the terms of steep slope. But we get over that 1,400 square foot requirement

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when you're dealing with a steep slope matter so that's a technical refusal and then if you can see

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here too in terms of this is the street extension right we're extending it's going to be wide of 33

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feet 10 and a half inches two cars can fit now across the street and if you want to take it

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