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ZBA Hearing - May 20, 2026

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)May 20, 20266h 4m

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Council?

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thank you uh dennis you are authorized to speak on behalf of uh 23 1511 llc correct yes

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Thank you.

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Dennis, you are authorized to speak on behalf of .

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and can you just in a sentence or two explain to the board the actual aesthetic inspiration that

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came into this building yeah so the the building was part of the garden um the founding of the

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garden. We have spoken on numerous occasions with the members and the leadership of the garden.

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As you guys saw, when looking at the existing structure, there was a components of red in the

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fence and in the building itself. This was one of the things that we kind of wanted to carry over

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as well. There was a sentiment from the garden that they wanted to retain some of that color

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because originally I think the garden was actually founded and some of the organization early in its early days was held in this building.

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So having that color meant something to the garden across the street.

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And then just very briefly, can you just explain to the board how you intend to manage the property,

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including, importantly, how trash would be removed from this building?

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Yes, so as I'm speaking right now, my office, my business office is located two blocks away

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from the property. I'm currently speaking walking distance from the property. We do have

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several buildings in the area. I do personally manage

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the property. So we do have some staff that is responsible for cleaning up the sidewalk of this

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building. I know that also the folks from the garden have also reached out about engaging in

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terms of maintenance and of the building once it's constructed. So that's something we would

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want to explore. But as far as the trash, Meredith, I don't know if you can pull up the plans. We do

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have a dedicated trash room and we would be hiring a commercial trash removing company to ensure

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that that that trash is removed uh by them and dennis have have you heard all of the additional

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testimony and evidence that i presented in front of the board today i have and do you agree that

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testimony was true and accurate and would you adopt it as if you had provided it to the board yourself

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is that a yes we didn't hear you yes yes yes sorry yeah i would yes happy to answer any questions

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questions from the board what's the units unit mix

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uh the unit mix it's all one bedrooms and then there are a couple one bedrooms with

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dens so they are uh essentially uh just a variety of different layouts uh for one bedroom units

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and are there uh trash chutes on upper on the upper floors because i don't see access

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is to the trash room from that from there's no there's no current trash

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shoots we've been exploring so I don't know Meredith it's I apologize I don't

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know if you have all the floors with you so the the impact of the trash

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shoots would diminish the dens on the upper floors so it is something we're

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open to consider and it's something we've been having a conversation about

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so it's definitely being explored yeah because i mean the way you have it laid out now there's

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if folks are taking their trash they have to come out the building out the front or out the back

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and walk around the corner and go into the trash room because there's only access from the for the

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to the trash room from the outside yeah it is it is something that um if if the board would like i

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could bring on the architects that is something that uh we had actually discussed in advance of

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this hearing i know they are looking into exploring the options including potentially a trash chute

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uh or allowing for access within the building itself uh so i mean again the building itself

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has this is a very large trash room in comparison to many others so there is ample space here to

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accommodate a more efficient way to have tenants deliver the trash into the trash room and the

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trash chute is one of those options that they're exploring all the questions what about uh what

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what about uh storage for the units is there additional storage for the units in the basement

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or is this just what they have in terms of closets in the units just the bike storage

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yeah we proposed it as a bike storage but we could we could definitely consider this as a

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as an alternative for additional storage yeah i think just based on the amount of space that's

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available it's likely dennis can you confirm this is probably more space than you would need

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uh dedicated to the utilities and that there would likely be more than sufficient space to

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dedicated to the utilities and there would likely be more than sufficient space

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also accommodate tenant storage down here that is correct so the company that i run in the area is

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a plumbing company i think that looking at that water utility and electrical room um there's

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definitely room for us to maneuver and add additional storage everything but the pico

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vault in the elevator uh is is up for uh additional review questions do we have washers and dryers in

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these units each each come with a washer and dryer yes yes okay all right a real quick question just

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about the uh the density i know that there's um a bonus for the affordable housing yep but just

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justifying the particular hardship whatever for the density of the up to 20 yeah so again i mean

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there's there's a couple of things so so first of all um as as this board has seen there there is a

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precedent in this area for supporting additional density uh and just in comparison to some of the

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other requests the the one that i included in the exhibits is two doors down but there have been

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other similar requests in front of this board so we were we were able to compare the density

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that's proposed here to the density that was approved for some other similar projects

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and on a per uh on a lot square footage per unit this falls right in the middle um but just just

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you know logistically speaking here um you know again this this is a a large building the elevator

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is you know again it's a significant investment that is triggered by additional density but it's

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also something that provides a real benefit particularly in an area where most projects

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are smaller and don't have the need for that kind of an investment so again it's really just a

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combination of the building itself supports the number of units it is as you can see here

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on the second through fourth floors here it's five units per floor and it is a corner property here

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with windows on all sides so there's really a combination of you know just general context

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density in the area really trying to bring some additional density back to this area

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the building layout itself and then of course you know again trying to provide some of that

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additional type B accessibility, which was something that the RCO was really, really happy

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to see. Other questions? Questions from our attorney? Not at this time, Mr. Chair. Questions

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or comments from the audience? Come on up. We're going to testify one at a time?

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all right who wants to go first sure take a seat please and if you would get close to the

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microphone so everybody can hear you I'm going to open my phone so I have some notes pulled up

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could you turn on the mic please yes this is better could you please state your name and

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spell for the stenographer sure my name is elizabeth o'caro e-l-i-z-a-b-e-t-h last name

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o'caro o-k-e-r-o do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth

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i do are you a neighbor um i am a neighbor not adjacent to this community but i do um live a few

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blocks from where this property will be and i'm also the executive director of the non-profit

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organization directly across the farm that was referred to as a community garden so why don't

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you start your test yes thank you so much um all for hearing us today and i just want to say i'm

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joined by two of our neighbors on dakota street which is the street that this will be cornering

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on on 11th street um since this property was first acquired it has sat vacant for a very long time

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it's caused a lot of issues for the homeowners on that street from things over growing growing into

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their yards difficulty communicating with the property owners i do know dennis i've been in

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communication with him um he bought this property from the family of someone who helped found the

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farm so i wouldn't necessarily say it was like a a good thing when it happened it happened very

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quickly it sold um kind of under the feet of the previous person who was living there

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although it was owned by his family so i just like want to state that for the record and

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And also that some of the largest concerns that we have, for me, number one, is that

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there are five generations of families.

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five generations of family so miss teresa who will speak after me she is a fifth generation of the

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So Ms. Teresa, who will speak after me, she is a fifth generation.

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jordan family who's been living on dakota street and they're all homeowners and that's a really

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important thing when we think about our community members our our black homeowners in philadelphia

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in north philadelphia i think it's important when we're thinking about making community

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connections if we're building new properties to be reaching out to those folks five generations

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is a long time to be living in on one block of Dakota Street and not be

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communicated once by this developer despite the RCO meeting happening there

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needs to be connections made with the people's whose houses this is going to

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be abutting this structure will be towering over their homes Dakota Street

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is all two level homes other than I believe two new developments that have

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happened on either side just to give you perspective of you know like this will

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be completely blocking the sunlight this will have a significant um physical appearance and

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and take up space uh i didn't realize i was timed i'm so sorry i just have a few more points that

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are really important and i can make it quick okay but i mean the point is you're not for the project

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i'm not for the project but i just want to say these last few points that are very important

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that was more of a personal thing because i think us as humans it's important to also identify how

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how this is gonna affect elderly homeowners on the block.

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20 apartments is a lot.

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The trash is not sufficient.

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This small trash room that they're saying

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is sufficient enough to hold trash

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for a 20 apartment building,

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which I'm assuming will not be all

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be singular occupied apartments.

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It will not do it.

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We have seen dumping at an exorbitant rate

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in this community and the people who are taking care of it

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are the people at the garden that they're talking about.

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The people across the street are folks

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who are from the community, community organizers

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and beautification members

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of our community who take care of that area.

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Before there was nobody else taking care of it, we were.

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They say that they're taking care of the property

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that you saw photos of.

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We've been taking care of the outside

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to make sure that our neighbors on Dakota Street

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aren't just looking at trash, accumulate,

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and the dumping that you know is prevalent in our city.

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It's a real problem.

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Next, I just want to say that the parking is a huge issue.

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If the aerial footage could be pulled up again,

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you can see that where the farm is,

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we have our own parking lot.

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that parking lot is part of our property we allow the church across the street which is an active

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church to park in that parking lot that is it we've had stolen vehicles come and be dumped there

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we've dealt with that a lot a lot of police presence because we've had to deal with the fact

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that people are dumping cars they're thinking that it's an unused parking lot when really we're an

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urban farm functioning and we allow the church use that space we need to have some way to know that

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there's going to be parking enforced parking laws enforced or what will be

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done about you know 20 units of people if they have cars where are they going

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to park the first place that they will see is the parking lot across the street

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we have a food pantry that as we speak right now is about to open that runs

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every Wednesday from 4 to 6 right at the end of that parking lot we need that

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area to be free so people can walk up to the food pantry we're serving our

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community there um you know when we talk about the the density that's the word that is continuously

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being used right now and um the neighborhood's seen a lot of change i don't know that this

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building is a positive change and um i want to you know honor that you gave me an extension

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of time and just make sure that our neighbors can speak thank you thank you so much thank you so

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much do you have any questions um just just just one um were were you present during the recent

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hearing for 2307 north 11th street just a few doors down no i was not so you didn't object to

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that that particular proposal which also had identical requests albeit a lesser density but

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same same type of variance and let's be specific when you say lesser density what's the difference

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it it's just a yes or no question where you density matters 20 apartments in a three-story

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building is a lot different i just asked if you were present or objected to that i wasn't

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wasn't it didn't affect the neighbors that i've known for all the years i've been there thank you

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next person please

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how are you could you please state your name and spell for the sonographer sure my name is theresa

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marie jordan t-h-e-r-e-s-a-m-a-r-i-e-j-o-r-d-a-n do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole

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truth nothing but the truth and you're what the timeline is when we we always try to give the

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first person more time so she can lay out the issues um you have two minutes and if you would

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start off by saying whether you're for it or against it i'm against it okay and then give

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us a few minutes of the reason i'm against it is because of as was stated earlier the parking

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as was stated earlier the parking okay and then there's also limited parking on 11th street

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okay and then there's also limited parking only

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because of the street signs that are there currently now on the same property that's

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being spoken of it's 11 it's the 2315 and 2317 which is the corner and it's only you're only

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speaking of 15 those are two different addresses that's how big that property is and it goes on

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down to the next end now for the next part of it is that there's a driveway on that same property

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that could be used for parking for those residents who's going to be in this building if it's approved

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but also if it's going to stay at a three-story building what was the original plan it should be

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still in that parking area because that was actually a driveway where the cars used to go

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through when it was repair work being done there all right my family has been there over 40 some

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years so we've seen stuff come and go and this just for this to have changed from what it was

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originally was to what it is now and the question she asked was whether anybody received did she go

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to the meeting for the 2307 our residents did not receive any information pertaining to 2307

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for us to even have a discussion about right all right thank you very much ma'am thank you for

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spending the time here sir how are you sir you got a smile on your face i'll tell you that

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could you could you please state your name and spell it for the stenographer andre mitchell

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a-n-d-r-a-m-i-t-c mr mitchell do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing

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but the truth so mr mitchell are you for this or against it i am against and you're a neighbor yes

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i'm a neighbor i've lived on it is there anything you can add that you haven't already heard no

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nothing but it's just 20 units is all right thank you very much mr mitchell we appreciate it um

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any other persons in the virtual audience yes chair i have a hand up from tina love

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i have a lot of hands do you have just that one mr chair okay thank you

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Tina Love, please unmute and wait to be sworn in.

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Tina Love, are you there?

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I'm here.

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I'm here.

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Hello.

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Hi, Tina.

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