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ZBA Hearing - September 17, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Sep 17, 20256h 43m

Chair, excuse me, Chair.

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We have Alice Udovich with her hand up.

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Sure.

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She has been unmuted and allowed to speak.

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Good afternoon, Alice.

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Good afternoon, Chairman, members of the board.

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Just for the record, could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

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Sure.

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Alice, A-L-I-C-E, Udovich, U-D-O-V-I-C-H, on behalf of Councilman Brian O'Neill.

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Sure. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do. Please proceed.

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Chairman and members of the board, the councilman has no objection to the granting of this variance as long as this property remains as a two family dwelling and that a garage space not be converted to a third unit.

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Alice, thank you very much for taking the time to call us.

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Thank you.

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So, Miss Siegel, we're going to hold the vote on this and we'll get back to her.

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we'll get back to you when we're ready to move, okay?

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Thank you. Thank you for your presentation.

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Thank you very much. Mr. Chair, before we move on, I just need to

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correct the record on number 12

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MI-2025-002-666-9313

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Old Busselton Avenue. That case was actually

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rescheduled to, sorry, one second,

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was rescheduled to november 18th at 9 30 a.m so i'm sorry we had that was that was a miscommunication

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on our part that had been already rescheduled as i said is that okay yeah so so not it's not

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going to be scheduled for february it's november 18th all right good at 9 30 thank you and sorry

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one board one more administrative item can we please let miss siegel note the date of the vote

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um i well i don't we don't know yet because um i we have to get an amended refusal from l and i

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get an amended refusal from l and i oh my mistake thank you yeah no problem we'll get it we'll get

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oh my mistake thank you yeah no problem

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her back as soon as possible so so mr knockamson not i don't want you to come up yet but we're

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waiting for a leonard all right so as soon as leonard gets here we'll hear your three cases in a row

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sure uh let's see here

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all right um number nine and ten we're going to hear together number nine is mi 2025 002 585

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and number 10 is mi 2025 002 592 6103 cal hill street to make it mccoy is the attorney for both

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There's a recommendation of support from HMC Squared RCO.

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The vote was seven in support.

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Five abstained for both.

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Chair Tameka McCoy is coming back and is a panelist now.

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Okay.

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Good afternoon.

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Hi, counsel. You've already been this form, but just for the record, could you please state your name?

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We're going to hear both of these at the same time.

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Sure. Tameka McCoy, T-A-M-I-K-A. Last name is M-C, capital K-O-Y.

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Counsel, could you please identify your client and the relationship to these two properties?

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Sure. My client is Ms. Eloise Jones of Booker Investment Group, LLC.

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see. Ms. Jones actually is not attending today. She just had the passing of her grandson and she's

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mourning that. I did share my screen. Yeah. So Tanetta Graham has a few questions before you

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start. Okay. Yes. Good afternoon. Have you submitted documents for both cases

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five days in advance of this hearing?

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Yes, I did.

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Okay.

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And do you stipulate to the reading of the refusals

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for both cases?

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And I mean, the reading and their accuracy.

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Yes.

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Okay, thank you.

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Let me begin your presentation.

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Sure.

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So I'm showing now the refusal

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and it basically shows that a hearing

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addressing the multi-unit was had

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on January 17th of 2024, it was approved each of the units for six dwelling units within

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it.

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The matter before the board today is essentially to address an addition that would be required

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on the third floor of each unit for the previously approved six dwelling units.

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I'm going to go to the pictures so that it will make a little bit more sense.

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So these are the two adjoining properties that we are addressing on Callan Hill Street, 6101 and 6103.

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Ellen and I specifically requested that we present to the board the approval of this portion of the third floor.

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they specifically wanted a approval separate from the one that had already been presented to show

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that the board was in agreement with allowing for this third floor to be built out completely rather

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than have it be a partial third floor as the existing structure is these plans were the

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original plans that had been submitted when it was previously presented in 2004, it's just to

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address that one particular area for you to address today for both buildings. I'm going to go to 120.

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to make it to make was that 2004 you said 2024 okay oh okay yeah i think it

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everybody was thought it was 2004 we thought wow

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no so as it currently exists it's a partial third floor and the plans require for the third floor to

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be one full length. But as I said, the request from LNI was to just have the addition to that

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third floor approved.

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Do you have plans for that today?

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Why don't you show the plans?

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This is for 6101.

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These are the proposed elevations.

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Can you enlarge your screen and maybe reduce the sidebar?

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the sidebar helps me kind of move through

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sorry

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can you go back to the

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you're saying the units were approved

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yes but what l and i

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saying the addition wasn't approved

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Yes, they specifically wanted the board to address the addition.

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So the addition is the third floor addition?

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Yes, that's correct.

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This rear part.

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Right, and so go back to the third floor plan.

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It's like the third floor and the second floor has an addition too.

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Correct.

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Right, so can you go back to the plan again?

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Sure.

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it's just kind of hard to tell on the plan what's the addition

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right it's not kind of designated i guess the lighter gray is the addition on the third floor

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that is correct the lighter gray is the addition on the on the second floor okay correct all right

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we're gonna just zoom in once more so that that makes it easier for you soon okay

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so there are two there are two units on the third floor and one is an efficiency in the back and the

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other is an efficiency in the front right okay all right and then the same thing on the second

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floor is two efficiencies all right okay and what was approved where were the where the four units

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is a total of four units in the building it's a total of six units in the building that was what

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was previously approved um ellen i just wanted a specific approval for for the addition okay

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okay and i guess that makes sense because they don't work unless you have the addition

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you can't get six units in there right all right thank you um can we walk through i know this is

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before I was on the zoning board can we walk through the history of this property trying to

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so there's six units in 6101 and in 6103 that is correct okay and but 60 they both had a former

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commercial space on the first floor correct the owner actually grew up in the building so it used

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to be a bar and it had residential living at the top and the owner had lived there pretty much all

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of her life and so the prior presentation was for the actual multi-unit living and when L&I

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reviewed it they just wanted for the board to specifically go over whether there would be an

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approval for the addition in the back to allow for the units

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to be erected. That part I understand. I'm just trying to understand

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how we got to 12 units and two row houses on the corner

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in a neighborhood. So how many

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units were in the building when there was a

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commercial space on the first floor of both? So this

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is the existing and I believe

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I could just have a moment.

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I'm looking for the

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previous plan. I'm not sure that it's depicted what the existing was it has just the proposed

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was it has just the proposed

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you don't know the property zoning

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was it already a multi-family with a commercial space?

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yes

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do you know how many units there were before the commercial space was converted?

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let me see if I can go back

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And then can you know I just have a sense of me that it was reducing from seven to six units in each building.

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This was back when it was originally presented.

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Were they units or was it a rooming house?

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Because I see there's a change of use that was filed.

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Because it was a tavern before.

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It was a bar tavern before.

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And do you know, when was the last day that the tavern was in operation?

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Oh, it was quite some time because it had been dilapidated for many years.

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I want to say more than 20 years.

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More than 20? Okay.

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And then walk us through, because you, I mean, you've already had an approval to move forward.

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Walk us through the decision-making around the addition.

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So in order for the plan as it was presented to be effectuated, that third floor has to be extended.

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So I understand that as you presented it to us, but walk us through your client's plan, like what led to them making the decision to do the extension.

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Okay.

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So essentially, the intention was to have for additional living quarters to be available in this particular community at the 6100 block of Callahan.

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and their plan essentially was to essentially make a dilapidated property habitable and so

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that's what the intention was for why they presented what they presented. I understand that

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but this could have been habitable as a single family home so I'm trying to understand

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how we got to six units with an extension in the structure.

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okay but what just what but i guess what i'm trying to understand right is that

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this the six units have already been approved so we're not really is am i right correct six

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units were approved but they now need the extension so i'm trying to understand

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the plan around the extension like what drove the decision for this extension oh there's no way

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i can tell you there's no way you can get i don't mike i'm asking i'm asking i know what you can see

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at the time this plan was originally presented for the units it contemplated for the third

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floor to have the addition l and i wanted it to be specifically addressed so there was no way that

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the six units could have been accommodated without having the extension on the third floor and the

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plan that you see now was the plan that originally was contemplated when six units were presented

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you say contemplated you mean that this plan had been presented to the zba yes prior yes so i can

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actually um ms mccoy if you don't mind i can i can jump in and explain a little bit here so

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So when the six-unit proposal came before the board for both of these properties, it was presented to L&I as a change of use.

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The addition was planned at that time.

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Unfortunately, it wasn't included in the application, so all the board could consider was the six dwelling units.

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And now that you are expanding a use that was granted by variance, you need to extend the variance essentially into the new portion of the building that you're proposing.

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So the addition was previously proposed, but it could not be considered by the board because it was only a change of use application.

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So now it is under consideration by the board.

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Okay, other questions?

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Can I ask a controversial question?

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If you are not granted the extension, what is your client's plan with these properties?

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um it would essentially create a detrimental hardship to her and the property will probably

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It would essentially create a detrimental hardship to her.

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remain dilapidated I you know I don't know that she would be able to continue without

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um the units you know as they were so as as the argument is that the hardship is that without

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putting 12 units in these properties that they're not financially viable

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well in terms of the cost in in in doing the project yes okay so tamika let me ask you this

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why don't you explain what happened when you went to the rco sure the rco voted what seven

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nothing for it in favor yes how do you talk about that so a part of the um

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development of the community was to have people who are vested in the area actually improve the

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properties that are there. That's why the overwhelming support with the RCO, as it was

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documented in the letter that they had submitted, is also there. There are multiple other buildings

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on that block that have a similar extension.

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And so it will essentially reflect the

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design of

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pretty much what's already there. So it will be a continuation of what's

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developing on this particular block.

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Other questions? Questions or comments

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from our attorney, Hillary Emerson? Not at this time,

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Mr. Chair. Questions or comments from the virtual audience?

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I've seen

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no hands, Chair. Planning

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Commission.

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Amy Boyd with the Planning Commission.

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This testimony is for

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6101 and 6103

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Callow Hill Street.

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The comprehensive plan recommends no change

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in zoning to the current RSA

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5 residential single

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