I promise. I'm going to give you one broad one, but I do need to ask something that goes back to my frustration. When you go into -- the specific one is when you go into a house and have to assess it for Built to Last, how long does that process take? And I'm going to tell you I'm asking because the libraries have gone through an incredibly long process that has made them assess very few libraries to decide what rehabilitation, restoration it need? And I don't understand why it's taken them so long. And the second question has more to do with energy efficiency. I really want to know how are we progressing in our efforts to source our electric needs from clean energy? What can the city be doing more to keep energy prices affordable for residents, for businesses? I know that you've been working across departments to improve critical infrastructure while reducing energy costs -- maybe this is a library question -- can you give us an example of the types of projects that are underway at the moment? Are there any projects on the horizon that could benefit the city that PEA can help move forward? Thank you.
Okay. Yes, I cannot speak to the library's timeline, but I can tell you that the libraries are hot on my list of projects that we'd like to develop. I think we could bundle lots and lots of libraries together and do one big project. We've done this with the school district, where we bundle groups of buildings together. Instead of just doing one at a time, we scope them all together and then we execute. And the model that the Guaranteed Energy Savings Act allows at the state level is a much faster way to address these than the typical way that we do capital projects, and it provides the discount of really using energy efficiency as sort of a coupon for how much this costs. So it reduces the cost of all the capital work. We are doing an example like that right now with the Quadplex Plus Community Health project. That's the four city office buildings, including Criminal Justice Center plus health centers and homeless services buildings. The health centers and the homeless services buildings get very little capital investment almost ever in the city budget. I think their budget is $1 million a piece this year, and it's not enough to maintain the buildings in a condition that's appropriate for what the uses are. And so, we were able to bundle those together with the Public Property buildings. And as a whole, that is a desirable project to big energy efficiency company. So we're able to sort of do that capital work. The city's contributing $4 million of capital towards that. We'd like them to contribute a little bit more, but that's okay. And then the rest is being funded by the energy repairs. So that's an example of how we do exactly what you're suggesting. On what we can do to lower energy costs, I'll just say your PECO bill just a couple of years ago was $0.14 per kilowatt hour. Today it's $0.212 a kilowatt hour. PECO has also proposed a new rate case, so that would go up to $0.236 a kilowatt hour. People are struggling. The city also sees the same impacts of energy prices going way up. So a couple of things. One, we've helped the Office of Sustainability reduce the city usage of energy by 49% over these last I guess it's a little over 10 years. Now, there's a lot more work to do there, but that almost meets one of our climate goals, which was 50% energy reduction by 2030. We've also sourced 36% of the city's electricity now comes from solar. Part of that is solar from those big projects that you've heard us talk about, in Adams County and now a new one in Clearfield County, but it also comes from solar on people's rooftops right here in Philadelphia, where the city is able to buy those credits for those projects, help subsidize the project, but also meet the city's needs. So we look for those kind of win-win projects. The last thing I'll say is one major thing that this body can do to ensure that energy prices do not get any more out of control than they already are, is to manage the data center growth that is projected to happen. I know this is an issue that is going to come up and it's something that we're talking about in the Lower South, but we're happy to support City Council as you're looking at how to manage that and ensure people's bills are not going to skyrocket.
Chair recognizes Councilmember Harrity, and then wrapping us up will be Councilmember Dr. Nina Ahmad.
Thank you, Council President. My girl, Jane, how are you?
You know, I love you so much. Little history lesson though. Mural Arts started as anti-graffiti many, many, many years ago, which was one of our first programs to make a lot of kids not have to go through the justice system. It was one of our first programs in order to do that. And I was around back then, because I'm one of the older people here in the room, as a staffer and I remember seeing you, and I don't know how you have kept the energy you have for this long. And you know I'm a big supporter and I will continue to be a big supporter, not only of Mural Arts, but of you personally. So please, I'm here for you. You know that. But I just have a few questions, quick ones for the sake of time. The Restorative Justice program does incredible work supporting returning citizens. How many participants does the program serve annually? What types of skills and job training does the program provide? And what is the job placement rate? And then last but not least, because this is special to me, last year we fought and received money for Mural Arts specifically to expand the art therapy in prisons and our wellness ecosystem. Can you give us a report on the success of the program and how many participants benefited from the art therapy classes? And how can we expand that program?
Sure. Thank you for those questions. I'm going to ask Damon McWhite -- oh, there you are. I'm going to answer about the prisons, and then Damon will take it from there. So I just want to say I'm very proud, as the Council President noted, we have been at the state prison since 2002 which was Graterford, and then when Graterford was closed down, we moved to Phoenix. And many of the people in our class are from Philadelphia and I'm really thrilled to say that some people have gotten out, they've come home, they've worked at Mural Arts and they are leading sort of pretty -- they're leading lives I don't think that they would have expected. I'm just so proud to see that somebody won a Pulitzer Prize, somebody's working for the Carnegie Institute, someone's at Haverford. I could go on and on. If you were to talk to them now, they would credit that Mural Arts class as being just a really formidable experience in their life. And then just last year, we started working with the juveniles on County Road and that's our art education program. And I just want to say, recently we had a dedication there and it was extraordinarily inspiring. All the young people said that they couldn't do it in the beginning. They couldn't paint, they didn't want to paint and then they did it and then they couldn't -- at the dedication, they couldn't speak, they wouldn't speak. And they got up there and they were absolutely eloquent. And as I was leaving, these three young men came up to me and they said, we don't want to stop, what's next. And I thought that's exactly what we want to see. And then through Porch Light, they're doing really great work at the Wellness Center. We see the impact firsthand and we want to continue it. And that's why this 1.9 million that we're trying to infuse into our budget, part of this is for murals and restorations, but it's also to continue doing programs that really deliver on behalf of our city's often most vulnerable residents. And, Damon, I'll turn it over to you. MR. McWHITE: Sure. I need to say my name for the record again, Damon McWhite. In addition to the programs that Jane mentioned, so in the Restorative Justice Department we truly focus on connecting participants to the areas we feel like we interacted with the most. That would be of course working with the City, community engagement, working with other organizations like ourselves, and then the creative economy as well. So the programming that we're doing in both the Guild and the Rec Crew program is to introduce them to the various skills they'll need for that, right. So our daily programming consists of folks showing up between 10:00 to 2 o'clock each day. We're teaching them time management skills. We're teaching them how to interact with folks, conflict resolution, engaging with superior things along those lines, but also working in the community. So the mural projects that we get a chance to work on, the community members that we get a chance to engage with, we feel like we're preparing folks to be able to go out and work for the city and be a positive representation of the City of Philadelphia as well as the creative economy work that we do, introducing them to opportunities to be showcased at the Barnes, work with Creative Philadelphia and various other cultural organizations. We're showing them that there's a pathway for themselves as well working with creative organizations. And the piece that I think is most reflective of the testimony today is working with community organizations. So the same way they contribute to neighborhoods through Mural Arts, there are tons of other organizations that need quality coordinators and equality folks out there doing community engagement and outreach, and we're allowing our participants to get skills in that as well.
And also, I want to name -- these are some of the employers, Sanitation Department, Amazon, Pennsylvania Hospital, the Mann Center, Printer Fly, Edward T. Steele School, the Tech Company, Department of Parks & Rec, Family Dollar, Aramark, Little People Day Care, call representative and construction and landscaping. We're getting people involved in jobs in that area as well. And we have a very high rate of completion and a high rate of people moving on to jobs and a low, low recidivism rate. I think it's 4.8 recidivism rate. I mean, that's 4.8. It's like nothing. Our biggest problem, to be honest with everyone, is nobody wants to leave because what we provide is rigor and love. MR. McWHITE: Yes. And I will add in addition to the employers, we've had a number of our participants be connected to CCP and the I Am More program that they have there. So not only just funneling people into job opportunities, but also thinking about long term in their own educational pursuits as well.
Listen, I said it last year during the budget and I'll say it again. Mural Arts is the least expensive way that we can make our city look even more presentable for 250 and beyond. As you said, we're known worldwide now as a city of murals, and that's something to be proud of. We're proud of you, Jane. We're proud of all the work you and all of your people do every day, especially in Kensington where I live. I'm for raising your budget. I said before, it's the cheapest -- I wish we had more department heads that did as much with as little money as you did. You're the let's-find-a-way person and that's what we all love about you, so thank you. And you know I'm very supportive. And to the gentleman, I hope if he's still here that's in the program, keep coming back. It works if you work it. There's a lot of us out here, brother. We got your back. All right. Take care. (Applause.)
Chair recognizes Councilmember Dr. Nina Ahmad.
Thank you, Council President. Good afternoon. I'll start with Jane and add my thanks to everybody else's for making Philadelphia a global destination and known worldwide for our murals. This is amazing for us in so many different ways, including making Philadelphia destination not just to visit but actually to live, because we need our population to go up to 2 million in order for us to have the revenue. We need to support such efforts that you've done. I have two quick questions for you, Jane. One is I heard a whole list of projects you have that are underway. Did not hear anything about a mural around human trafficking prevention and awareness, unless it's actually embedded in something you said already?
I'm really glad you asked because it's connected to our request, because we don't have the funding. We thought we would have the funding for it. We have an artist who's amazing and who has been impacted herself by this world and we have a design and we're honing in on a wall, and what we don't have are the funds. And I think that just brings me back to while we are called the Mural Arts program, the sliver of funding. Again, there's the sliver for community murals, for murals and for restoration. It's just not enough. The demand far exceeds our ability to do the work. And how wonderful that we're in a city where there's a giant appetite for public art and art that is about beauty and art that is about critical issues, Councilmember. And we should do that. We would love to talk to you about it. We're on a mission.
Okay. Second question is, we talked a lot about the impact of your work, and maybe you do this already. Do you have it tabulated in a way -- for example, there was a doctor from HUP or CHOP who did a whole research paper on greening communities and the impact on reducing violence. In order for us not to have this budget battle, it would be really helpful to have data around the impact and with the outcome so that we would actually have numbers. I think I've seen something like that from you, but I just wondered if it's in a way that we can have a short-term and a long-term impact of investment in doing this work?
Well, I'm so glad you asked that question, so I want to just say thank you first. We were -- and my colleague Val Gay knows this because Val was there with us. We heard researchers from Penn present data, really fascinating data on work they've been doing, unbeknownst to us, about the impact of murals on wellness and public safety. And this is a number of years. This isn't just a few months. And what they saw over and over again was a real -- they have data to really back up that murals working in public space this way is transformational. And it is not just a blank wall. It turns into something beautiful. It's how people feel. It's what they carry with them. And then from the Yale study, it's what they term collective efficacy, that communities feel absolutely ready for something else because something came that was beautiful, that was inspiring, that was representative of people's lives at work that is resonant with them, and that means something. And so, I would be happy to sit down with you and share this with you. My colleagues and I would love to talk to you about it. Because I sat there and honestly, I was stunned because when someone says, well, we're going to present our own research, you don't know. I thought, well, this could go either way. And then they were so complimentary of the work and I just find it to be fascinating that it had that impact, especially on public safety. I think that one was really a fascinating one. So I would talk about this forever. I won't take up some more time, but I just want to thank you for that very good question.
Thank you. And I'm going to switch to you, Emily, here. Thank you again for your important hard work. I had a question about energy needs are going up and we need to have a diversified platform of ways to get our energy. Are you the repository of who would bring this to the forefront for the City of Philadelphia? We talked about solar. I don't know if you're working on geothermal. I'm really interested in these small modular reactors for a clean nuclear energy. I wonder where we are with that because anticipating the needs that are going to happen and talking about the rate going up, we can keep our rate down. We can also reduce our carbon footprint by diversifying our energy platform. So I wanted to know from you where we are on this in the City of Philadelphia?
What a great question. We are dipping our toes as a city. We've got some solar now. We've got a little bit of innovation down at the Navy Yard where they've done some battery storage, a little bit of community solar down there. We've done very little geothermal. There's a handful of projects across the city. The cost of geothermal has been the barrier. But I think where we've seen the ability to push costs down is when you do that labor market training, when you attract more businesses that can install it and sell it, you create a little bit of competition and drive down the cost that way. So more volume equals better prices. We're seeing PGW do a study that is hopefully almost done on a rec center plus a school together. There's lots and lots of other opportunities for PGW around geothermal. We're hoping that this project that we're working with them on at the Water Department can sort of help them start to conceive of other ways that they can really add some more diversification to Philadelphia's footprint. So PGW is a great avenue there. We're getting involved in the regulatory process with PECO to try to encourage them a little bit more as well on all sorts of things. They get almost all of their power from nuclear, from brown sources we call them. And then we're also working with a whole host of people about the Bellwether District and the Navy Yard in ways that we can really leverage the unique assets that they have, really diverse for energy. And I think you're completely right, we cannot rely, as we've seen with what's going on globally right now, on a single fuel and you certainly can't rely solely on fossil fuels to make it work. So great question and we're happy to talk about that more.
Yeah, we'll talk more because I heard we have these small modules around us outside, not in our county, outside, so we might as well take the lessons learned and there needs to be a community engagement, because people have a fear about nuclear energy. And we really need to get community at the onset, rather than later, rolling it out to actually work through what does it mean, what does a diversified platform mean. What are the costs of the geothermal that you mentioned? There's an economy of scale for everything we do, so it's really important we get on top of it so that we are not talking about rates after the fact. We need to get ahead of it and I think we need to be the lead just like we are with our murals. So I thank you both for the work you do because this is foundational work that we need to continue and happy to advocate for both of you and we'll talk offline. Thank you, Council President.
Thank you. I just had another question regarding workforce for Emily. Just give us a brief update on how many young people PEA has actually put to work. And I know there's an overall significant number. Can you state that for the record? And then also, Jane, there was a question regarding how to quantify the work you are doing short-term and long-term. Could you give us numbers on the impact you have done regarding helping individuals who are impacted, right? Because that's something you can kind of measure in terms of people coming home, people working in your program, the recidivism rate from that aspect as well.
Okay. So, Damon. I have numbers here. I just want to make sure they're up-to-date. MR. McWHITE: You want me to start with the --
Participant numbers. MR. McWHITE: Yeah, absolutely. So for this year we've engaged so far with 32 participating who are returning citizens. So in addition to returning citizens in our program, we also work with individuals who have been indirectly impacted. So they may have had parents or loved ones that have been previously or currently incarcerated. This is just the number of those who have been returning citizens, but there's a number of more who were indirectly impacted. And then for the participants that we place, we have 80% placement rate amongst those participants who are in the program. And as Jane mentioned earlier, the recidivism rate is around 4.8%. And mostly when we have that happen within the program, it's usually a parole violation, drugs or some type of altercation that requires that returning citizen to go back.
I want to say for Phoenix it's about 25, 30 people in our class. But I'm really happy to announce that we're opening it up to the other side. So actually, there'll be more people in the program, Council President, who have shorter sentences who will come out and then they'll be able to work with us, so that pipeline will just stay robust.
It's good to hear those numbers because we talk about impact, right. It translates to the impact that your organization is having in regards to making sure we're addressing recidivism, people going back to prison for lack of opportunity, people going back to prison for not being able to adjust. So I think that is critically important. Chair recognizes Councilmember Mark Squilla.
Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you all for being here and having your testimony. And, Jane, thank you and congratulations on all the great work you did. Mural Arts will always be Jane Golden and we really appreciate stuff that you have done. But last year, we spoke about the uptick in graffiti and what was going on throughout the city. And you had mentioned coming from anti-graffiti when you started with Tommy Conway years ago. You had mentioned how we worked with some of those individuals to get them to participate in some of our murals. And you had mentioned an individual that was one of the big graffiti writers last year and you said you were trying to engage him to be a part of the program. Have you been able to get that person to help out?
I'm so glad that you asked. Actually, that was somebody who I called him on his cell phone, and he was rather surprised to be hearing from me, and he is somebody who's really, really talented. And Phil Asbury, who's going to speak in a minute, the Director of Community Murals, and we cooked up a plan and offered him an opportunity. And he went to 5th and Cambria and he worked on this mural and he did a great job. And then he emailed me and he said that he wanted to come see us, and he said that his dream would be to do murals on day care centers, because day care centers are like -- really they're beacons in communities. And so fast- forward, Phil Asbury.
Good afternoon. My name is Phil Asbury, Director of Community Murals. We are poised and excited to continue this legacy of offering barrier- free educational opportunities for graffiti artists that are self- identified. I think this person --
He's a legend. How many people know he's a legend? I got the book. I have his book in my office. Very legendary individual. So an honor to have you in our presence, sir. (Applause.)
Similar to Cornbread, for this artist graffiti was a gateway, a way to get exposed to the various forms of art, to vocabulary, to define the skills that they had learned through matriculating through graffiti. And I think he identified an opportunity in his neighborhood to adorn a day care center, to learn community process, to allow us to work with him, to be coached and mentored by a professional artist. The same artist who's actually working on the CSX mural has taken time to mentor him and take him to coffee shops and work on the iPad and teach him Procreate and how to design as well as incorporate the interests of his community members to have him be seen using his art skills in a more socially acceptable way by his peers and neighbors. So that mural will be going up. It will be celebrating the power, the magic of motherhood. He's expecting a child next month. He also sadly lost his mom early and wanted to celebrate and lift up this idea that we can all be nurturers and mothers of our own communities.
Just to say, you know, the one thing that I learned in working in anti-graffiti was truly a gift. It was like getting three graduate degrees, but it was like the amount of talent in this city is phenomenal. It does not equal to the amount of opportunities that young people have. So it's our responsibility to try to find young people like that and create a pathway for them. So that's why we're so proud of our art education program because we're on a mission to do just that. I also want to say we did make a mistake and I would like to clarify the record. We actually see 70 participants a year, not 42 in our Restorative Justice program. That is the Rec Crew and the Guild.
What's the procedure for individuals who want to participate?
Is it court-appointed? Is it probation officer? Is it --
It's all of that. It's the DA's Office. It's coming out of county jail. It's coming out of the state sometimes, and that's how people come to us. So sometimes it is court-appointed and sometimes people hear about us who are on probation or they've been incarcerated and they're coming home. So it's a mix. But it's all justice-impacted young people, and it's ranging in age between and 26. 17
Yes. In addition to that, we also work in the Juvenile Justice Service Center. And like I said, we're working on State Road now.
I just want to address one last thing with the Philadelphia Energy Authority. It was a conversation regarding the back and forth regarding the Administration's budget and your budget proposal. But just clarify for the record the difference between, what is it, Built to Last and Basic Systems Repair? Because some folks think because they overlap, why are you investing in Built to Last when you already have Basic Systems Repair, and they both go toward the rehabilitation of homes. And I think you probably can clear up if there's any misconceptions regarding overlap and basically supporting both initiatives.
Absolutely. Thank you so much for asking that question. These programs are designed to overlap. So Basic Systems Repair often comes into a home that has multiple major systems issues. It's a homelessness prevention program. And so, it's meant to just do kind of the minimum thing that is required to keep people in that home. So if you have to have a football-sized hole in your roof to get a roof replacement, that's still extremely helpful. Basic Systems Repair does incredible work across the city. And when they leave the hole, you might have had 10 years of rain in your house now because of that hole in the roof, you likely have mold, you likely have ceiling collapses. You likely have all sorts of other issues that have destabilized your foundation that Basic Systems Repair is not able to address. And so, we designed the program specifically to be able to pick up where they leave off and to collaborate with them on homes where there are multiple systems and they don't have enough budget to cover those. So we actually found an interesting statistic recently. When Basic Systems Repair treats a home by themselves, without collaboration they're spending on average about $11,000 per home. When they partner with Built to Last, they're spending $18,000 on average per home. So we make them more efficient, more effective and able to better spend their dollars and we complete the preservation of that home. So we go above and beyond what is happening. We'll do that mold remediation. We'll fix the ceilings. We'll fix the health conditions and the structural conditions in there. We see all kinds of issues, from simple to complex and we add the energy efficiency. And in most cases where we're doing heat pumps instead of old systems, we're adding solar to that as well for long-term affordability. So these are programs that work extremely well together and should both have the funding that's needed to do those components of the work.
And when you say solar, right -- and I know at one point in time, similar to how AI is right now, when we talked about solar, especially under Obama, it was like, yo, we have solar jobs, we're going to cut down on using oil and gas because we're going to have solar. Now, I was just in the Poconos and I saw a whole -- anyone ever been to Kalahari Resort? Well, anyway behind Kalahari Resort in the Poconos it's like nothing but 10, rows of solar, right. 6 What does that look like in the 7 City of Philadelphia? 8 And I remember Darrell 9 Clarke created your agency. What 10 does that look like? And I also 11 visited OIC who has a partnership 12 with PECO helping young people put 13 up solar panels. But I don't know 14 when I go down the streets of Point 15 Breeze, just being frank with you, how many of my neighbors have solar panels on the top of their roofs? So how does that work and your success in that area?
I love this question the most. Okay. 4400 homes in Philadelphia have put solar on their roofs through our Solarize program. Of those, more than half, I think it's 70% are low- and moderate-income households. We've been subsidizing low-income households to go solar for the last eight years. And what we're finding is that people are using solar for long-term affordability. Instead of paying PECO, you're just paying yourself. You're investing in your own home. In some cases, we're able to give $0 solar leases to people who are part of Built to Last. As utility rates go up and they are going to keep going up, we need to make sure that people can stay in their homes. And one of the biggest reasons people abandon their homes in Philadelphia is utility shutoffs. So this is a key component of affordability, especially for lower-income and middle-income homes. So we are seeing a big shift. We actually did a study a few years ago with the folks waiting in the Social Security line in North Philly and said, are you interested in solar and is this something you've heard of and know about? At first they said, no, we're not interested, we don't know what that is, we don't care. But the thing that changed was when we did training and we saw then people's neighbors and nephews and cousins being the people who install the solar on people's homes. And that changed everything. We went back to that same line and asked again a couple years later and the sentiment was completely changed.
I know we have to wrap up, but I have just one last brief question. If you could just summarize real quick because we are at o'clock. The number of workshops you're doing in terms of weatherization of individual homes during the wintertime, right, just to make sure you're not losing a whole bunch of energy and your bill's going up, you're paying a higher gas bill. At the same time if you weatherize your home, on average you would save about how much?
So we don't run the weatherization program. Now, that's back to PHDC. They're serving a couple -- hopefully this year they'll serve about 1000 homes, maybe a little bit more. And the idea of weatherization is that it's a slice, so it maxes out at about $7,500, $7,600 I think and is meant to be a piece. So that is one of the components of Built to Last. We include them in everything. And I'll just give a quick example. In Kensington, we recently did 60 homes with private funding from Fannie Mae and from the Green Family Foundation. And in those homes, that $600,000 that we got there leveraged another $450,000 in those same homes of other programs, including weatherization. So we leverage every other program that exists.
Good. Thank you for the job with the lights in the neighborhood. I've been hearing people talk about them. Well, listen, thank the two of you for your testimony. Thank you for being here -- Chair recognizes Councilmember Mark Squilla. Sorry, Mark.
Thank you. I know you had some questions. I just wanted to finish my one question. And thank you to asking the one about Basic System Repairs, and that's important to understand because we get that all the time too, how do those programs relate to each other, and that was going to be my question that you asked. So my last question was, you talked about community murals and what that means. But there are always people asking for murals. And how many projects are asked? How many are you able to do? And how long does it take really to get funding in place by the time somebody asks for a mural until it gets completed?
We do about 80 to 120 murals a year and that really depends on the funding, but we work pretty quickly. Once we have the funding, we can get up and going. A mural can take a month or it could take six months to a year if you have to find a site. You can have some complexity around the design process, but we're pretty speedy once the funding is in place. And again, if we were able to secure this 1.9 million, there's four buckets that are part of that. One is community murals. One is restorations, restorative justice, and Tacony Lab. And community murals, I think that's so important because it's really -- one thing that we've prided ourselves on for years, and I think all of you here know this, is that we're highly responsive. You can call and we can go out and we will do it. And we will work with the community with integrity. We will have a great process of selecting the artists and the murals sit there as beacons for years to come. And just like I said before, the demand absolutely exceeds our ability to do it. And when people ask me this, and they ask me this all the time, what prevents you from doing more work. It is funding.
Well, that's why we need to support more funding. Thank you so much.
Thank you. And so, some of the members who weren't here all day, just for the record, this is Jane's last budget, Member Jones. This is Jane's last budget, Majority Richardson. We'll give you some more flowers. (Applause.)
We thank the both of you for your testimony today. Any other questions from members of the committee hearing? (No response.)
Hearing none, the Chair recognizes Majority Leader Katherine Gilmore Richardson for a motion that the public hearing and meeting of the bills and resolutions before the committee today stand in recess until Monday, April 20, 2026 at 10:00 a.m. in Room 400.
So moved, Mr. Chairman. (Duly seconded.)
It has been moved and properly seconded that the public hearing and meeting on the bills and resolutions before the committee today stand in recess until Monday, April 20, 2026 at 10:00 a.m. in Room 400. All those in favor signify by saying. (Aye.)
The ayes have it, the motion carries and the committee will stand in recess until Monday, April 20, 2026 at 10:00 a.m. Thank you all very much. (Committee of the Whole concluded at 3:35 p.m.) C E R T I F I C A T I O N I, hereby certify that the proceedings and evidence noted are contained fully and accurately in the stenographic notes taken by me in the foregoing matter, and that this is a correct transcript of the same. ________________________________ TANEHA CARROLL