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ZBA Hearing - October 14, 2026

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 14, 20266h 39m

right that's your prerogative like whether wherever you live like where i live i get to decide

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where someone else lives they get to decide and there's no hard feelings right you know these are

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you know impactful for a lot of people but you can't create a forum where it's one-sided when

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i talked to mr nelson there was things that were misstated and he was misinformed and that's a very

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frustrating process and you know while you know acca is a very involved group and i respect the

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work that they do, they're also problematic in the sense they don't provide a fair forum,

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which is very frustrating. So anyway, I'm going to present this.

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All right. So we have 11 exhibits. We'll go through them. We do have the letter that was

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submitted to us a little before 5 a.m., and we did go through it. And, you know, Mr. Nelson

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actually gave a lot of flavor, too, to show there's some things that weren't stated in the

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letter that were discussed, including but not limited to the community organizers stating,

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well, they're providing parking. Most apartment buildings of this sort, they don't provide

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parking. That's a good thing. That could be used against us. So let's not discuss parking in front

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of the ZBA. So that's, you know, very frustrating. So again, this is a 22,000 square foot building

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and a lot. And we're proposing to have 42 dwelling units on slab

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accessible with an elevator so this is completely accessible building with 21 parking spaces

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uh and a garbage room a mail room like this is a very sophisticated building a very nice building

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um and we're hoping and which is not also out of character to the buildings that are surrounding us

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there are multiple examples of apartment buildings with no parking which are not accessible which

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don't have elevators and which are not affordable where we we believe that the affordability would

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be like a 60 percent ami and especially for an agey population within this neighborhood this is

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a good alternative which was discussed at the community meeting they wanted us to make a

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commitment to make this completely senior housing we said we can't do that we don't know the market

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but we do envision a lot of people who want to age gracefully in the neighborhood will have an

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but we do envision a lot of people who want to age gracefully in the neighborhood will have an

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opportunity to rent these nice units that are accessible. So let's just go over the ladder,

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right? They're against it. Now, first thing is they talk about the height. There's no height

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variance. We're 38 feet high. And you'll see in the pictures, again, the site plan. And by the way,

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we have Scott Woodruff of Design Blends who'll walk through those plans as well as necessary.

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we're set back 10 feet on the left and there's a there's actually a common driveway for residents

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who the rear of their properties on the intersecting street which i would assume the driveway

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is another 15 feet or more so we're set back 25 feet from their building structures we have a curb

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cut within you know we have a curb cut currently in front of our building we're repositioning it

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so that we're 18 feet driveway where we're separated from the building to the right of us

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and then we're 50 feet set back you want to go over this yeah it'd be nice if we could see yeah

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all right that's fine yeah yeah and then we can go over the letter i mean i'm we'll go over i know

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you're a little hot with the letter but let's just do the normal presentation all right all right

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well i just want to say these are the things we heard from the community

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no i'm talking about in terms of revised plans what we did hear from the communities they wanted

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us to remove the balconies from the left and the right of the building which we did we didn't want

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to like oversee people's houses which also allowed us to reduce the occupied area to 52.6 percent of

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the building of the lots which is again for an rsa 5 property that's more like an rsa 3 type of

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coverage perspective and we increased the side yard because we eliminated the balconies so now

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our side yard is essentially 10 feet to the left. So again, is it out of character to have apartment

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buildings nearby? The answer is no. There's a 50 unit right to the side of us on the other side

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of 17th on Church Lane. There's one at 6001 North 17th Street, which is 36 units. Again,

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no parking. And then there are multiple other instances nearby. Like we're just off of,

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you know, Broad Street, you know, 6301 Old York Road, 40 units, 6302 Old York Road, 69 units,

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6300 Old York Road, 308 units, Conlin is 88 units, Grange is 36 units. So there's many other

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instances. Are there single families and smaller multifamilies? Yes, but it's not out of character.

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Again, what is out of character is the size of our lot, which is 22,000. Well, we're combining

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three lots which are rather deep in size to combine it for 22 000 square feet you can also

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see there is a mix of zoning classifications whether cmx2 two and a half and rm1 nearby as well

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and you can see like we're not that far off from like again uh old york road here again to help

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support the commercial corridor you usually do have multi-family nearby and then photographs of

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the property again a pretty massive vacant lot these this is the driveway of the properties on

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17th street we're going to even be set back another 10 feet here you can see this is the

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curb cut that currently exists for this property we're moving it closer to you know adjacent to

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this building structure to provide windows to the left and and to the right of this building

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our building and also to provide us a setback you know in terms of looking at people's light

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in there even though we're only 38 feet high this is the property since 2015 so it's been a vacant

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lot these are orange notice posters you know proof of posting we've tried to do a tighter shot of

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that church lane to the right of the property to left of the property and then our plans and

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drawings this is a four foot structure so you can see there's a front door here we actually have a

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ramp here for to make it for accessibility purposes as well we got rid of all of the

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regular balconies and juliet balconies here we do have balconies in the front of the building

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we added trees in the front of the building and there's a ton of landscaping to left and and

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and to into the rear of the property as well and it's just different angles of seeing that

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you can see here's the driveway i was talking to it's a two-lane drive driveway a two-lane

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driveway going in and out of 18 feet wide trying to see what else no no roof deck access structure

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other than for mechanicals again you know we can always put a roof deck on there because

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they were complaining there's not enough um outdoor space which we think there's ample but

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you know you can see this is the rear of the property this is the retaining wall we're talking

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about here kind of because there's a huge drop um and you know we we again talked to mr nelson

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And, you know, we, again, talked to Mr. Nelson and we've said on three occasions separately, we'll work with him and collaborate with him on that. You can see a lot of shrubbery to provide natural landscaping and a buffer to the nearby properties. And again, we're 50 feet set back here, 49 feet, six inches, I think, directly.

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and we've said on three occasions

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And again, this is the rear axis to the building as well.

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And then there were questions about sloping. Let me just see. I guess this one would be the one that talks about sloping here. There are questions about our sloping of the property that we're not giving an accurate sloping of it.

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Apparently, there's an architect who says, who stated our plans are not correct, which again, we have a survey. We have design blends, which is a known well known architecture firm.

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um you know everything's been blessed by the survey district by the planning commission by

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l and i um but we actually slope from front to back we go have a slight slope not much so we

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actually go shorter in in the in the uh back as compared to the front but again we're 38 feet high

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and then if you look at it here's the front door for this property this is the ada accessible ramp

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here. And this is the area, which is the outdoor area, which again, we have bollards here because

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what we envision is for trash. Again, Alan owns Liberty Bell Management too. So he self-manages

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his properties. And I think he has hundreds, if not over a thousand properties in the Philadelphia

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region. He's well-versed in handling these types of apartment buildings for himself and others.

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like what he envisions is a minimum of two days a week potentially three days a week of commercial

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trash pickup and you know what he envisions too is probably not even a trash truck that's the big

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trash truck that you wouldn't envision but that trash truck would come here we have bollard set

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up where it would raise you know when when the when it is trash day and it would do basically

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come in you know like make the turn and then come out with a three-point turn and come out this was

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all blessed by the you know streets department too um but like you know here's the trash room

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right here we try to be responsible about having the trash room towards the rear we don't want to

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block anyone's traffic like the street in any way here's the bike storage and we'll go through the

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floor plans as well um but you know and here's the outdoor area where even this area right here

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is 21 by almost 40 so that's almost 800 square feet right here and then in addition to you have

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this little area here which is another 30 by 21 so that's another 600 square feet so other than

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trash day where you may have to like block this area for the trash truck like you know this will

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be an open area for all the residents and you can see there's a huge buffer here um that we have

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for landscaping as well again to make sure that with the people that it's the rear of their

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properties in 17th street like they have some nice landscaping a nice buffer as well you can see the

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buffer back here as well and then again this is the area that kind of is a huge

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drop-off and mr. Nelson can kind of tell you a little bit about that but you can

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also see that there's a you know this drive aisle which is not ours that's

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for the properties on 17th Street and then they're even set back further

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because it's the rear of their houses on 17th Street this is the site plan let's

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see let's go for the floor plans let's try the floor plan all right so floor plans i think maybe

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we'll go back one all right floor plans okay so you walk in you have a common lobby area

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you have a leasing office because we're going to have someone dedicated there

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you have a trash room there's a mail room that's going to be right here as well so a common mail

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room and you have the bike area and the trash room you have four units here like so basically

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the breakdown is um 20 excuse me 15 two bedrooms which range in size from 896 square feet to 1015

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square feet one 26 one bedrooms which with the range of 636 square feet to 200 677 square feet

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and one studio which is 569 square feet so all good size and then by the way here's the elevator

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to the common elevator and we'll go through the floor plans i think more so just showing you the

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different versions of it right so this is the studio right so speaks for itself all washer and

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dryers that are in there um and here's you know a unit type of b floor plan so you walk in right

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here's you know a unit type of b floor plan so you walk in right you have a closet you have a

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8 yab o'clock.

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kitchen a living room and dining room right you have a bedroom and this is the washer and dryer

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bathroom not too far away from the bedroom this is a unit a type of floor plan where you have a

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living room in the kitchen right here you have a closet area you have a washer and dryer and then

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you see the bedroom here and the bathroom's not too far away and again we there's no basement level

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which is going to be used for living there is you know no one's going through a bed like a uh the

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back of their their you know in a bedroom they're not going through like the outdoors this is a very

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responsible apartment building and then if you look at here this is the two bedroom right so you

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walk in you have the living room and the kitchen area you have the bedrooms near the bathrooms here

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and you have the washer and dryer here here's another floor plan which is another two bedroom

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you can see both bathrooms are next to the bedrooms you have an open floor plan as well here

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and then the washer and dryer's there and then here's another floor plan where you walk in you

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have the kitchen and the living room you can see this there's two bedrooms two baths and the

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bathrooms are right there and here's the washer and dryer and then finally you have the two bedroom

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here you walk in you have the washer and dryer here you have a bathroom right next to a bedroom

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you have a kitchen with a living room and open floor plan and you have the other bedroom next

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to the bath the other bathroom and this is just a survey of the property so one of the things that

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the community group asked for was the was you know that a survey which we did do and we did a site

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plan so we met with the community once right so we actually had to send a 45-day letter where they

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wouldn't get to us we were like please we have a meeting you know so we sent out a notice on may

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22nd to the community basically saying hey we have this project here like we would like to present

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to you we eventually got a meeting on june 24th at at 6 p.m we didn't present till 7 p.m they

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presented with our poster boards at 6 p.m for an hour um then we were supposed to have a hearing

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on july 8th and they asked for a continuance because they wanted to have further discussions

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we said of course we'll do further discussions we've been begging for a meeting since then now

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we found out there were three separate meetings that we weren't involved in you know so i i can

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only that's why i'm a little bit heated up about this notice yeah so we mailed to 102 addresses

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nearby um and i don't know if mr nelson received it but you know we we always are more than happy

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to talk to community members you know during you know during the community meeting after the

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community meeting and before the hearing proof of mailing

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our application for zoning variance our deed to property showing germantown

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acquisition llc allen's llc owns the properties 22 000 square foot property

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and our certificate of tax clearance for each of the properties 1631 33 and 35

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church lane let's go now to to the letter

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let me get let me just go maybe just move this up a little bit's a lot

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okay let's just go over the petition right which by the way mr nelson signed because he didn't

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know we're in communication with uh with with the community organizer but if you look at even the

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petition we we do these petitions too and we keep it up front we're like we take the notice of

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refusal language and say this literally track and say per the attached notice refusal i don't

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flavor these at all right you know and we have someone walk the neighborhood and you know we

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do have bullet points for them to say this is what the project's about if they have follow-up

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questions but oh geez i gotta get my my computer's about to die but it's it says the undersigned

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neighbors, the 1631-1635 Church Lane, state to the ZBA that they oppose granting lock

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consolidation and zoning variance to allow the erection of a proposed four-story, 42-unit

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apartment building at this location due to the numerous overlooked, ignored, and unaddressed

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burdens shall the, I think it says shall, the proposed building will place on the surrounding

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neighborhoods well when you have inflammatory language like that of course someone's going to

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sign that we're being overlooked ignored and unaddressed that's not a proper form that's not

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that's not a proper form that's not the way you do it like if people are against it that's fine

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the way you do it like if people are against it that's fine like let's

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like let's have a conversation and maybe we never convince them that's fine too like you know it

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happens I think this is a responsible project though so let me uh well hopefully my computer

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doesn't die um but here height right the proposed property is oddly configured on a high elevation

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that towers over residential blocks below well we talked to james about that i said you know james

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do you have any issue with the height and you know we're i just want to let you know we are 50 feet

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setback and we're set back on the sides as well but the what would be the most important to him

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is is the back he's like no i'm not gonna be able to see your property what i'm concerned about is

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the retaining wall and you know we haven't gotten a straight answer from the group that you're going

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commit and i said james we spoke the day of the community meeting we spoke when he came the first

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time the first hearing and we expected to have future communications with him when we never did

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but i said so make sure you understand we're making that commitment he's like oh okay you

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know a light study was requested at the meeting at as multiple blocks will have their air visibility

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surroundings obstructed by the enormously elevated building it's only elevated towards the people in

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the back. To the left and right, we're in the same plane as everyone else. And we're set back 25 feet

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to the left and 18 feet to the right. And we're 38 feet high building. An independent architect

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advised that the blueprint circulates. The rear elevation extremely lower than actuality. All we

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do is rely on professionals. Again, we have design blends. I think, what was it, Cornerstone that did

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the the civil engineer that did this the survey everything was blessed by the survey district

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everything was blessed by the planning commission and lni blessed in the sense of okay this is

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appropriate not that they support this um so i don't know what they mean the topography is actually

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we're a slightly higher in the front than in the rear at the rear of the properties an elevator

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rear drop that's unaddressed in the applicant's plans we told them the first meeting like we're

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going to address that. And we told James three times we're going to address that. Applicants

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rendering show a neat finished wall at all around the rear of the cliff where the parking lot ends,

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but that's not the actual plan. And again, I'll ask Scott to speak and, you know, Alan to speak

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as well. In actuality, there's an existing crumbled retaining wall being uplifted by tree

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roots, accumulated earth with massive overgrown towers over the wall and extremely elevates the

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property in the rear we don't disagree with that and we told them we're going to address that

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obviously it's a responsible thing to do and it's a fair ask water runoff drainage flooding erosion

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unattended growth in a child in all caps child falling off the cliff are among the concerns

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we have fencing right there's no children are going to fall off a cliff and you know we have

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