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ZBA Hearing - July 28, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jul 28, 20206h 57m

together because the proposal is to consolidate the two blocks together and upon those lots

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construct the proposed structure um there's 12 500 square feet the minimum lot area for rsc 3

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This is an RAC3 zone lot. It does call for only single-family use. The minimum lot size is 2,250

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square feet. As you can see, in addition to our lot, and I'll go through, which are right here,

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as I'm circling with the mouse, which is the image number three and this first page of the aerials,

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We are located between two lower attached or semi-detached structures that are set back from West Tioga Street that are used for multifamily dwellings and an eight-story building that's located to the east of us at the corner of 17th, North 17th Street and West Tioga.

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ioga that structure is used for a multi-family building um and um see it's 45 long units

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and zone cmx2 has no parking although it has a large open area to the south of it

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and then there's a permit on the file for that property for a group practitioner on the lower

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floors and here's that building is viewed from 17th street this is image four you can see the

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open area here this is the building that's directly to the east of us a

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stair tower that rises even above the existing stories very very very tall

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building and here's a roll to the next aerials you can see our lot two lots or

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this area here where the red dot is there's a lot of trees you see other

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There's a lot of trees. You see other vacant lots located on the block, located the next block, the 1800 block of West Tioga Street.

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vacant lots located on the block

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As you know, we've been, if you may recall, this is one of several projects with the same different property owners, but the same developer who I believe is on the line.

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Anthony, are you on the line? Can you raise your hand, please?

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And, Kurt, if you could also raise your hand.

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Kurt Raymond is the architect and Anthony Miles is the developer.

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Would that person be attending via telephone?

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Possible.

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Is the number 237, last three digits?

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Give me one minute.

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look we haven't gotten down against this process down to confirm whether they are calling in or not

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i have kurt raymond available to speak but i don't have the other name you listed

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no i don't i don't recognize that phone number

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um let me just check one thing

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I know he texted me earlier on in the in the hearing so in any event we've had a

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number of projects that have come before you with the same developer attempting

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to inject some light, some development, some population into this area that with the article

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that I've shown you in each of these cases has over the last several years been rated as the

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worst neighborhood in Philadelphia. The lack of development, the extent of blighted lots or vacant

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to that condition and my client is looking to do that um this here's a view here of our whole block

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we have already been approved by this board for a development project at uh 17 um

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just see where that is

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included that approval that we came before you last year and that approval was for 1708 to 17

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i mean 1718 west tayoga street and that was also a development for multi-family senior housing

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as we are proposing in this situation.

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So you have this block that has a large amount of multifamily dwellings.

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Most of the dwellings that exist on the block, probably 80% of them are multifamilies.

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Those that aren't are vacant lots.

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There's a church with a large parking lot down here at the northeast corner of 18th Street and West Tioga.

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But again, you can see the vacancies that exist other than where we are proposing to

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develop and fill in the block.

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Broad Street is a couple blocks to the east of us.

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Here's a zoning map.

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Here's a CMX2 zone property, the 8-story building that's located to the east of us.

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South Bouvier or North Bouvier Street is this street right here.

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unlike the property that we brought before you and this board approved for

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the other senior housing development project this property does not back up

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to South Bouvier Street it actually blacks up to backs up to properties that

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run along coming off of North 17th Street so we backed up into the very end

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of those properties and I'm just trying to give you a slightly better view here

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than what is in my exhibit book um here is our here are our two properties right here

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to the left of the purple which shown in purple and red which is a cmx2 and you can see that our

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two properties back up into the backyards of a few properties here

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that one property that we backed up to is this one right here um i'm not positive it's

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occupied. Photographs of it that I can show you do not show it to be in great

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shape. This is a view from the east. Our lots are running along this way to the

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south of Tioga Street, just beyond the tall building located on the southwest

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corner of 17th and West Tioga. Again, you can see that high number

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17th and West Hale. And again you can see the high number of vacant lots in this

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image as well. Exhibit 6 is our application. Originally the application

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was for 60 units in a seven-story building. As part of the community

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process we have reduced the number of dwelling units to 50 and reduced it to a

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six story building again what we have it located right adjacent to us is a building that is eight

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stories plus a stair tower that extends above it a very massive building that we're actually going

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to tuck up up against um so it's very and we're not particularly wide so transitioning down uh

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anywhere whether if we were to build to 38 feet you would have the very extremely tall existing

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building that exists at the corner of 17th and west tayoga right next to us or we build our

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building and you obviously have then the buildings to the west of us those buildings will be located

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then between the building that we got approved at 17 18. here's the survey plan at tab seven that

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shows the existing lots as i indicated 25 by 250 very extremely long and narrow that we're

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consolidating into a single lot the A's are original zoning drawings which show

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again a seven-story building called out for 60 units only had seven bicycle

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spaces which was less than what was required we've increased that number to

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50 as the revised proviso plan form and the revised zoning drawings will show

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we basically lopped off one of the intermediate floors. The seventh floor

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still has a floor-to-ceiling height of 11.6. Every other floor below including

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the one that we took off is 11.3.5 floor-to-floor. I'm sorry the 11.6 is floor-to-roof

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not floor-to-ceiling. This is the original site plan and Kurt can go

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through this a little more detail West Tioga to the right below us is the

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existing eight-story building the existing multi-families that are

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located to the east of us beyond that then is where the multi-family senior

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housing project that was developed was approved by the zoning board will be you

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have a stair tower at the front towards the front an elevator penthouse towards

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the middle front and then it's your second staircase an elevator pilot house

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at the rear our refusals our refusals included the use refusal as Paula

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indicated i've stated already the properties under rsa3 so multi-family is not prohibited

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i mean is not permitted um it does cite the 60 that we originally applied for this is a refusal

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dated 2.619 we've reduced that to 50. minimum required parking space rsa3 does have a one-to-one

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parking requirement the other rsa3 properties that we brought before this board granted with

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much less development other than the other project the senior housing project

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on West Tioga that none of those have had parking the part of the plan and the

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proposal of my client is they call it healthy town it's to kind of it's to

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promote and Anthony if we get him on can speak to that at length he spoke to the

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Planning Commission during the CDR hearing about the plans for both the

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building that was approved to 1718 as well as this project at 1708 and 10 and the idea i'm here

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okay great anthony i'll bring you on later on to adopt it and to go on thank you um okay but the

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idea is to promote um well senior living but active senior living um and anthony can talk to

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that the minimum open area is 50 we are at 29 um as in there is we kurt will go through the layout

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of the building where we've provided the open area again we are tucked up against the large

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commercial building to the east and the large open area which right now it doesn't appear to be used

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but uh would probably be suitable for a parking lot but it's not um being it wasn't zoned as such

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and then we do as i indicated back up to small pieces of the extreme rear yards of the properties

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to the south of us um the front yard setback um required is eight feet uh

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The front yard setback required is eight feet.

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We are originally at five feet.

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You'll see in the revised drawings, it's four in chains to the building face.

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We have an awning off the front of our building,

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that awning originally over the main entrance at West Tioga.

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That awning originally extended all the way to the front property line,

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so I'm thinking that the examiner measured the front yard setback to the awning.

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We have set the awning back a little bit from the front property line by a foot and change.

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You'll see on the revised zoning drawings.

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But the large building to the east of us, again, the eight-story building,

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multifamily building with close to the same number of units that we have,

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the 45 dwelling units, granted not by variance, I don't believe,

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but cmx2 does allow for not by variance for the use um because cmx2 allows for residential use

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that building is at the sidewalk um the buildings to the west of us as you can see in the aerial

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are set back we are somewhere in between the two of them in terms of our we're kind of splitting

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the difference in terms of our actual building face but that is a um a refusal uh in the rsa3

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zoning district the rear yard depth is 20 feet we're at 1.21 feet again in order to make the

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project work and Kirk can speak to that we push the building back it is long and narrow it's not

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a wide property particularly in relationship to its length it's oddly configured both individually

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and together in that respect particularly given the zoning classification individually as I

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indicated they're much larger than the typical zoning or lot size for the zoning district and

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but again we back up to we run along the side the west side of that eight-story building

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and then the open paved area which is not being used at the present time or i don't know what

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the plans for the use of that are we are to the west of that building then we are to the north

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of the other buildings that we back up to in terms of rear yard depth the

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buildings to the west of us which are rentals multifamily rentals have large

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rear yards as they are and whenever I've been out there do not appear to be in

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use the height of the structure 38 feet is what's permitted again we originally

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were at seven stories plus the pilot houses Kurt can talk about that the

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pilot houses are a little bit over as you can see in the other refusals the the maximum square

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footage that they can be just in general excited a refusal but also to not count towards the height

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of the structure and Kurt will speak to why they need to be a little larger than 125 square feet

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It has to do with the use of the building, but we have dropped that height down to 66, 5 1⁄2 feet to the roof.

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It was originally at 76, 9, and then there's a pilothouse that extends 10 feet, 4 1⁄4 above that.

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So that would put our present height at 76 feet, 10 to the top of the pilothouse.

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again 66 five and a half to the primary roof again shorter and stories in the building to the east

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and then again we have the roof deck access structures at the front and rear which kurt

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can speak as to the reasons for those i believe initially there should have been a refusal for

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the number of bicycle parking spaces it doesn't matter now because we've we're well in access of

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what's required um it's uh one for every three units and we're at 50 and 50 or one to one and

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that goes again back to the the concept that's being promoted here um i thought when i spoke

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to the refusal and the the refusals and whether i can stipulate to its accuracy um the front

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the front roof deck they said front for both access structures i believe this this one that

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had the required five feet applies to the rear and that does not have the setback didn't have

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the setback originally it's right to the back of the building and then the revised drawings

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it doesn't either and then at the front i said two feet and i think it was one foot three inches

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something along those lines so minor irregularities in your refusal both in terms of designated which

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pilot house they were talking about and what the actual dimensions were but this was all

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um the plans were the plans in this book for themselves and then our appeal project information

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form um i we do have revised zoning drawings as i indicated um they are here at tab 11 of our exhibit

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They are here at tab 11 of our exhibit book, and then the exhibit itself starts at page 51.

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book which

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And, again, you can see that per the RCO, I was not at the RCO community group meeting.

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My client was there with the architect.

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We do have a letter of support from that coordinating RCO, Tioga United Incorporated, or Inc.,

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and also we have a letter of support from um uh state representative uh shereef street

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and those are later on in our exhibit book um you can see we've indicated the difference between

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the building face and the awning that i i mentioned earlier on in the revised drawings

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the height to the primary roof um the number of uh dwelling units the number of parking spaces

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or a number of bicycle parking spaces here is very similar to the original zoning drawings

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uh shrink that here is the the layout of the building uh it is a semi-detached structure

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here's the awning in the front that was relocated from the center of the building to the west side

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there is a landscaped area that leads along the west side of the building that accesses at

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different points. Plantings have been added. Street trees also, there should have been a

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refusal for not having street trees in the original plan, and we've added those street

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trees. Pilot house at the front, elevator pilot house a little bit back, and the rear pilot

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houses so the revised drawings basically other than taking off the top floor

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lowering the height of the structure reducing the number of dwelling units

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this deck which was above the sixth floor roof at the seventh floor level is

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now above the fifth floor roof at the sixth floor level to walk out community

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deck Kurt will be able to go to the floor plans and answer any questions as

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of those pool and gym bike storage in the rear all the floors are served by elevators throughout

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and again i can have kirk go through the different layouts of the floor plans and answer your

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questions regarding the same there's the tall building and then our building which is basically

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going to tuck up into the side of that building we have this area right here which is further in

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the forefront of the existing three-story buildings is where we are going to be building

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the building that's already been approved by this board and is similar in most respects to the

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building that we are already that we're proposing today elevations that have 14 shows the material

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this is the west elevation that shows a lot of the plannings and the materials this is what was

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presented to the CDR for CDR and the landscape plan that we have for the open

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area to the west to the in front to the west side into the rear of the building

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again what was presented to the CDR and that is a tab 15 and tab 16 shows the

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massing of our proposed building as it compares to the building to the east of

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us and other buildings across new 17th street i don't know how that slipped in there uh if you

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would like to see photographs of this subject property in the surrounding area starting at

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tab 17 the first page of which which is at page 68 of our exhibit book bladed property as you can

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see um deteriorating front wall this is the building to the west of us i mean i'm sorry yes

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And here you have at the bottom of page five, those buildings that are to the west of us.

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Extending further to the west, the vacant, existing vacant lot that we've already been approved to build on.

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Other existing multifamilies.

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The building at the top of page eight, I believe, to the left of the one with the red awnings, is a single family.

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Bottom of page eight, another multifamily.

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Top of page nine, vacant lots at the corner of 18th and Tioga,

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