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ZBA Hearing - December 11, 2024

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Dec 11, 20247h 26m

And this is what you see.

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Thank you.

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And then with the, was there, and again.

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uh was there and again there was then and there was a letter that was

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attached yes and i'm going to move into that here here is the letter that is that's the initial

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letter this is the initial letter it says as coordinating rco strawberry mansion cdc is

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issuing this letter of support of the meeting held for the above reference preference uh reference

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um property referenced above to family use and it goes into it and it did also say that

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okay we so then the letter in opposition was there a summary uh form with that um i i don't

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the vote count in what have you it's the there's they did not revise from my understanding the

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letter of support of opposition that was issued yesterday simply sort of repackages some things

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that mr williams has said about the neighborhood and and it presents no new vote count it's simply

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a different letter with the same with because there was no new vote count and there was no

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polling and there was no petition that would support a total change of position from one in

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the 10 days that between you know yesterday and and the sixth so we're perplexed by what took place

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and and who contacted mr williams and or and how and mr williams said that people did contact him

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i'm not sure if mr williams was one of them um sorry there's two there's reverend williams i

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should say so i don't know exactly what pressures he had but he felt so inclined to to reverse the

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position which was perplexing to us um mr chair we we don't have we don't have a copy of the of

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that second letter up and and i haven't seen it so i'm hoping that that someone can display that

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the second one was signed by reverend williams yes yes so i think i'll make sure you get a copy

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okay yeah you should you should have a copy since it was signed by your client and and i apologize

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i do have a cop an email with it i didn't put it in this presentation i thought mr masters would be

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putting it into perhaps his with with but he's recently engaged so

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thank you um and and that's that's my questions thank you any other questions in the board

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question has there been any um issue raised uh that there was an improper mailing or folks

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weren't notified of the original rco leading there's there's always no one in the rco meeting

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said that they did not receive the letter. In fact, everyone that was there did. We presented this. I don't just do the one page. I actually physically, personally do these certificates of mailing. So when they come out of our office, I mean, I have every letter that went out physically handed to. So I know they went out. It's not, you know, I presented this to Mr. Reverend Williams a week before 10 days or 11 or 12 days before the RCO meeting.

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so there was no objection as to that

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I don't think that was the issue

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that was it

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that was my question

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questions from the board

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questions or comments

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from our attorney Hillary Emerson

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not at this time

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Mr. Chair

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questions or comments from the virtual audience

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yes Chair

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I have a hand up by the name of

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Whitney Blake they have been allowed to

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speak

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could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer hi can you hear me i can hi good

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morning my name is whitney lake do you need my first and last name spelled out please could you

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please do that hi my name is whitney blake uh first name uh letter is w as in walter h as in

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harry i as in igloo t as in tom n as in nancy e as in edward y as in yellow and my last name is

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Blake. Last name B as in Boy, L as in Larry, A as in Apple, K as in Kevin, E as in Edward.

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You swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

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I do, sir.

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Are you a neighbor?

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Yes, sir.

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Please proceed.

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Hi, I am a resident of 1818 North Nutrona Street. I am directly across from both residences

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that both Mr. Tippin and Mr. Watt are petitioning for. First of all, I want to say that Mr.

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Mr. Calvin, Mr. Calvin, who I call him Mr. Calvin Daly,

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he is one of the elders on our block

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and I am one of the children.

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One of the things that Brian Watson has brought up in previous meetings that we have had with the RCL and the zoning board and through the Starry Mansion meeting is the fact that he is a child of the block.

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One of the things that Brian Watson has brought up

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in previous meetings that we have had with them

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I currently live on this block. I was raised on this block. I am currently 37 years old.

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And I just want to refer back to the exhibit that Mr. Tiffin had shown on his screen a few minutes ago, stating those on the RCO board or those in the meeting that agreed upon this message that all those people, no, no, it says current resident.

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If you want to go up, keep going.

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And when I list all the addresses of those who attended the meeting, who approved the building, keep going, please.

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Keep scrolling up, please.

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scroll faster please so i can i want to make sure everybody can say what they want

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so if you once he gets to there you'll see that a lot of the addresses listed are all of those

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addresses are for current residents of other blocks i am a resident of 1800 metrona street

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um and i want to say i have a few things my main concern and this has been exhausting overall from

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those on my block, specifically for me because I live across the street, and I have heard the

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barrage from both Mr. Watson and his previous counsel, along with the ethical practices. I

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have concerns about from everyone on the petitioner's side regarding how they have

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carried themselves from this meeting and prior meetings. During the last meeting, the petitioner

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included individuals who voted in favor who are not residents of this block. I live here. I'm a

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resident here. My mother owns the lot next. So him touting that, oh, Mr. Calvin owns a property.

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I live here. We see the effects of building and property on our street. And I won't stand for it.

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I question the intentions of why they're doing this. I question also the underhanded tactics.

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Those who approve. Okay. So why don't, listen to me. So why don't, so you're against this project?

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absolutely and mostly before the plea of reservation for excuse me for preservation

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for this block a lot of what they're going to tell is that they went around about this the

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right way they did not those who approve and he's still not showing it if you can scroll up there is

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i don't i don't have that document yeah i don't have that document is on there if you scroll up

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sherman sherman hold on hold up she's talking about your mailing oh oh i also want to say

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that I'm a resident of this block

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and not one letter was sent

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to anyone. I did not receive it.

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I work from home. I am home

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all the time. Mail comes to me,

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I bet, those right there, current residents,

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33rd,

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33rd and Montgomery.

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People who are not residents of this block are making

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decisions for those who are on this block

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and I don't appreciate that.

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Listen,

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that's where he mailed, that's where he mailed

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to and I guess

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the question,

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Listen to me. We have other people want to testify. It's real clear where you stand with this. Am I correct?

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Yes, I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm very passionate, and I don't appreciate how...

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I understand. So we thank you very much. We understand where you stand.

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Thank you.

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I have a question for Sherman.

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I just wanted to know if she intended the RCO meeting that we had, Ms. Blake.

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i think she said she didn't receive the mailing oh okay no further questions

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other hands tyrone williams has been allowed to speak good morning reverend williams please

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state your name and spell for the stenographer good morning chairman bergman and the board

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good morning to both attorneys and good morning to a one on the line my name is tyrone reverend

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tyrone williams tyrone t-y-r-o-n-e williams w-i-l-l-i-a-m-s you swear or firm to tell

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the truth the whole truth is nothing but the truth reverend yes i do please proceed okay uh first

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off uh the letter that was up was for 3144 euclid it was not the letter for 1819 and he put that

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letter up as evidence. So that is not the original

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letter of support that I sent. That is for another

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property. He presented on two properties that night, one of

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them being 3144 Euclid. So that's the

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letter. That is not the correct letter.

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Secondly, our conversation, excuse me,

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secondly, I never asked y'all to withdraw.

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what our conversation was

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because I was getting

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so much

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pushback from the nearby residents

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who felt they were being ignored

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I asked you to ask your

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client would he consider

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building a single family.

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building a single family

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and I said to you

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And I said to you that it will sell

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that it will

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because Habitat for Humanity just did a huge project

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around the corner with a bunch of single families

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and they all sold.

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You expressed to me that your client

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wasn't interested in doing that.

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And the clientele he was interested in it written to,

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Section 8 and students and others.

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And I explained to you that, you know,

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the block has been the way it's been for years. Secondly, I want to talk about the 12 that voted.

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Prior to voting, and anyone on this line can confirm this, I ask everyone to identify themselves

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even through their phone numbers. I call out last numbers. I call out names. I try to make sure

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everyone in the RCO meeting know who is on the line for transparency. I also, when I host these

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meetings, ask for the nearby residents to have a say, and which they did. Thirdly, the reason for

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the retraction is because I didn't do due diligence, and I will say that. I didn't go back

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to my records for 1821 North Neutrona, which I believe I may have been the chair of that

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meeting as well.

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And the same pushback came at that time in 2023 because I looked through the paperwork

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and checked everything out, including finding the letter for former Council President Darrell

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call it. I spoke

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with my boy

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here at the CDC about

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this because it was complexing to me

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and I was, they

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instructed on me what to do.

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I will say

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this.

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Mr.

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Toppin

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did talk to me about

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how is it fair that 12 people

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could support it and

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you not get it. Well, you have

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five abstains

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that didn't want to even bother with it and four opposed and the others that voted i can't tell you

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where they came from because i don't have anything on zoom that told me anybody's address or give me

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anything i go on people being honest while they're on the line identifying themselves saying who they

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are so everyone in the meeting know who they is. The reason for the retraction is because we at

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the CDC is supporting the nearby neighbors of that block because it's a block that can be easily

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densified and we are currently dealing with that in Strawberry Mansion and we don't want to see

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more density if we could prevent it. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Williams.

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and sure sherman you have questions i think mr williams was very accurate in in how he conducted

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the meeting was actually the rcu meeting was actually well conducted and that was notable

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and but the issue still remains mr williams that only four raised their hand to oppose

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in that meeting of a block of 28. four one of we're going to object that that's not a question

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for cross-examination well well mr mr williams you but i yeah so so i think you can ask the

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question if sure relative just four people on the paperwork so mr williams that that that is correct

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what you indicated on as far as the vote count for in as far as directly opposing when you ask

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for the vote that is correct isn't it that's correct but i also want to just uh bring miss

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whitney's testimony to light and which she said did she did not even receive a letter of the

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meeting and she is a current resident in the block and i don't know how many others may not

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have received the letter and that well well what what is what is true mr williams and you know this

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for a fact that calvin williams who is on the is the block captain and he was very job to mail

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mr top and it's your job and i did to mail to all the current no ideas and the block and

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and it's reverend reverend reverend reverend yes sir let's let's go back so the position

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reverend williams so where you understand your position right now you're in opposition

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we are in opposition correct does anybody else have another question for the reverend

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I don't turn the world to your you're through. There's no, there's no thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you, Reverend. Anyone else in the virtual audience? Yes, chair. I have three hands remaining.

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Gwendolyn Blake has been allowed to speak

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Gwendolyn Blake has been allowed to speak.

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I could

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Hi, could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

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Hello.

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Hi.

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Can you hear me?

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Good morning.

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I can.

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Could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

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My name is Gwendolyn Blake.

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As G as in girl, W-E-N-D-O-L-Y-N.

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