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ZBA Hearing - November 5, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Nov 5, 20256h 5m

so so the so it's still there right and do we know what is what the use is

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I don't know if it's a shower room, but how was it used in terms of the business?

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Yeah, so it was used because there's a lot of oils being used as part of the massage process,

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and some people prefer to clean themselves before they leave

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and actually use the shower for that purpose.

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Other questions from the board?

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Yeah.

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so so so so was there a letter do we have a letter of support from the rco no i mean i i think the

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only letter we have right now is their request for continuance along with they want a continuance

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and at this point they're uh unanimously imposed okay gotcha thank you right so one last question

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so will you um i know the hours of operation uh initially was agreed to uh as a different closure

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but they've been staying open an hour later.

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Had they discussed that with the RCO that you know of?

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When we presented it, we had said that the extra hour mostly also is for cleaning up

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and trying to get the business property shut down.

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I didn't get feedback at that time.

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They had an issue with it.

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Apparently, they took issue with it on their letter.

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But at the meeting, that was just a discussion that, you know, we're operating a little bit longer than what was originally agreed to.

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But that was also, again, the prior operator followed the same hour.

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So we didn't, my current client didn't realize that there was an agreement to close at 9.

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Other questions?

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Yes.

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It says here that there was some fire hazards or some fire conditions.

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So the fire alarm needs to be certified again.

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There's actually someone working on that with the owner of the business.

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Since we got that notification, there was a fire exit sign that needs to, I guess, to be updated or replaced because it's not lighting up.

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And there was some extension cords used for some of the rooms where they had extension cords running from the wall.

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we were told that that is not permitted.

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It's a fire hazard.

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Okay.

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So you're talking the hardwired smoke detection system.

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Certification.

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Annual certification.

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Emergency lighting.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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All right.

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And I guess...

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They're actually in the process of remediating all those items that were listed.

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Right.

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But the shutdown was because of the...

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the shutdown was because of the fact that the temporary permit had expired like two years ago?

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Yes, yes. The temporary permit did expire two years ago. The current operator wasn't,

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because it was an ongoing business when they came in. The prior business owner apparently became

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pregnant and decided that she no longer can take care of the business and transferred it to the

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current operator and because it was already operating and existing he didn't rethink anything

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of it and just continued the same operation okay about how many clients do we have here

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so they generally um that question was asked i think they generally have i believe

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it's by appointment for the most part um and then they said that generally speaking

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they can get it's three workers generally there and each can see probably four four clients to

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five clients a day, minimum. So about 10 to 15 customers per day.

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And the services you're offering, you said it's massage, so it's...

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Right. So facial, foot, body massage.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions from the board?

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um hillary we're going to wind up holding this um questions from our attorney

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not at this time mr chair are there any questions from the virtual audience

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no hands at this time chair planning do you want to wait uh we'll weigh in okay so what i'm going

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to do is um maybe a resumptive hearing resumptive hearing will give a chance for the the community

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to come in, have some say, and Jen, I think some of the questions that were asked would

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be worthwhile if your client could be here, too, to answer particular questions, right?

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So I'm going to schedule this for a resumptive hearing, 1-13-26 at 9.30 a.m.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I have one more matter, I believe, before the board today.

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I don't know if that's ready to be heard or I can wait.

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Why don't we do this?

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Why don't, why don't you, yeah, okay.

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Yeah, we'll be good.

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All right, why don't we do it?

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We'll, I see one of the councils in the audience here who, yeah, but we'll do your, not one

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more, but I'm going to call it your fourth.

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How's that sound?

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Of course.

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Of course.

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So MI 2025-004-926-5017 Woodland Avenue.

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This is a reconsideration hearing.

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I believe that where we are with this is there will be a presentation by you.

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There will be questions from the board.

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There will be public testimony and the planning commission.

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So just for the record, state your name.

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Yes, Zen Jin, Z-H-E-N-J-I-N for the application.

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Right. At the testimony and evidence presented at the original hearing on this matter are incorporated into the record for this hearing.

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The scope of the reconsideration hearing is limited to the revised plans proposed by the applicant.

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But as you start your presentation, you could just give us two minutes on what this case was about and then where you stand now.

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OK, absolutely. Thank you, Chair. Good morning.

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I'm going to share with the board the documentations we submitted for this reconsideration.

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This is a reconsideration based on an application originally for a triplex at this location, which is zoned RSA 5.

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We have, as part of our reconsideration request, reduced that to a duplex.

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One of the main concerns, we believe, at the first hearing is the design of the building of the area is rather unique.

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As the board can see from the photographs, there are porches, there are slanted roofs, and various unique design aspects to the facade, and our building is kind of a filler in the middle.

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The community supported our original proposal, but the board had concerns with the original design being overly square and did not reflect the layout of the buildings in the area.

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We have gone back with the architect to revise the building substantially, particularly in the setback facade area of the front to make sure that.

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of sit back facade area of the front to make sure that the the roof design is one that while you

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cannot exactly match next door has more of the character of the next door building brick facade

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and the sit back porch which wasn't part of the original design all this would help make these

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make this building fit much better into the neighborhood's design which I'm going to go

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back to the photographs again that would much better fit the style of building that you see

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already on the block which is a mix of brick and other materials but they have more character with

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the porches and then this building which would share our the one side of our building has kind

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of a unique slant to the roof. My client's architect tried to redesign with also a stylistic

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slant, which would hopefully give it a much more coherent look to the two buildings once the new

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building is constructed in. So it'll be brick facade, windows styled and sized appropriately

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to match the neighboring properties and a front porch as well to match the neighboring properties.

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We also will reduce the overall use from three units to two units by essentially taking away

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the proposed third floor unit and enlarging the second and third floor combined unit to have

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a much larger living, kitchen, family area, and the bedrooms would be part of a single unit rather

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than having two separate units. The first floor unit would stay and continue to be structured

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as originally proposed. And there is, again, a small setback roof deck for the upper floor unit.

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so both units will have access to outdoor space as well.

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So that is essentially the primary changes that were made

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as part of our request for the board to reconsider this application.

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We do want to point out again,

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the community was in support from the beginning of this filler project

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because they do want to see that this lot get developed.

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And they originally actually had no issue with even the three-family design, mainly because it is not inconsistent with sizes and types of uses that they see in that area.

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But we understand that a triplex might be too dense, and my client, again, has revised it to a duplex design at this point.

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So that is our revised proposal we're presenting to the board today.

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Do you want to bring your client on and adopt your testimony?

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Yes, sure.

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Let me see if...

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Azik or Sam, can you raise your hand virtually to be identified?

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There are no hands at this time being raised.

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I counsel you.

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You're an officer of the court.

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We'll take your testimony.

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Questions from the board?

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Yes, I have a question. So the RCO was okay with the two units too, right?

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Yes. Well, they were okay even with the three units. So they are still in support of RCO.

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But they've seen the revised plans and everything. Okay. And thank you.

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What's happening with the basement? I didn't see anything labeled.

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Oh, my apologies. Let me put that back up.

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yeah so one one of the uh the basement will be let me put up that again

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so that'll be a utility and storage and washer dryer they

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they're not going to there's no living in the basement um one second my apologies

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yeah so there's washer dryer um utilities it's it's basically a water closet uh there's

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it's just going to be a essentially a storage space at this point um no proposed living in

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the basement but the it's it's so the is it going to be finished um it well it's going to be because

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it's a new construction so it will be there will be i don't want to call it finished but it's

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you know concrete concrete and everything else would be in the basement it's not a

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like a like when we look at older houses they tend to have a pretty rundown looking basement

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this is still be a fully fully set up basement the plan the point your plan um is showing

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the plan the point your plan um is showing a furred out wall in the basement all the way around

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yes so it would be in a sense finished finished yeah yes so you so so if you're if you're not

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utilizing the basement why is it finished i think the original the original plan also had it as a

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finished space for whatever the uh person who's going to occupy want to use it for whether it's

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workout room or anything else uh but again we understand that the board generally do not wish

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to have uh living in the basement and we we have no issue with that all right other questions

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is there outdoor space for the first the first floor unit uh yes there's a rear yard um for the

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first floor um i believe there is a site plan um i see it 10 foot rear yard by 16. thank you

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thank you other questions questions from our attorney

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not at this time mr chair questions or comments from the virtual audience

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no hands raised at this time chair play any commission uh chairman we'll stand on our

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previous recommendation okay um

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so mi 2025 004926 5017 woodland avenue i vote yes with proviso maximum two dwelling units

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Revised plans, two pages, stamped by ZBA on November 5th, 2025.

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And no living in the basement?

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No household living in the basement.

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Michael Johnson, my vote is yes with provisos.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes with provisos.

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Tanetta Graham, my vote is yes with provisos.

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Ryan McAdams, my vote is yes with provisos.

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Thank you.

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number three mi 2024 006 815 2000 west venango street um sherman tompin is the attorney

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no rco letter do we have an rco letter hillary

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or is a letter of opposition from tayoga united

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Okay, so this one, so there were earlier letters submitted earlier this year, one in support and one in opposition.

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Yes.

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But from your packet, it looked like there was another community meeting, I believe, in September.

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And we have not seen any updated communications from the RCO from the time of that meeting.

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Okay, just for the record, counsel, could you please state your name and spell for the sonographer?

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Yes, my name is Sherman Toppin, last name T-O-P-P-I-N.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Could you identify your client, a relationship to the property?

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Yes, my client is Mr. William Cook.

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He should be in the audience.

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He can be, I believe he's reflected there.

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And our vice chair has a few questions for you, okay?

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Yes.

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Good morning.

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Have you submitted your documents five days in advance of this hearing?

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I have.

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And do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

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I do.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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you share your screen and proceed with the case okay so we are here um it should be right there

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in front of you there it is so we're we're here to talk about 2000 west venango street and this

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my client is william cook he is the individual owner of this property this property as you can

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see by the picture is a industrial property but it is a series of just carriages that roll up in

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the front uh we'll go we'll be talking to we'll be looking at the plans lower down let me just

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go ahead and begin to scroll down to my typical all right so our the exhibits that we have here

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include the this typical things that i generally present refusal deed application for appeal to

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the cba the project information sheet the cba map um photos of the property as well as the plans

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a notice of the hearing, the addresses we mail to, certificate of mailing, the notice of this

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hearing, as well as photos of the posted hearing, as well, tax certificate. And the last thing we

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don't have is the support from the RCO council person. Now, we know that Cindy Bass's,

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