Based on my research, I did not see many 3.1 levels of care within Philadelphia, which is why I thought it made good sense to open one.
Okay. And in helping the applicant in trying to open one, you did interact with both state and city officials, correct?
Correct.
Okay. Now, with that, did they indicate that there was additional 3.1 facilities in the city?
i'm sorry i'm objecting to hearsay
my i i for for i i i do i think we want to do is she's to say what she did she can't say what
somebody told her so why don't we concentrate on what she did to help this project get to where it
is important in your efforts to help the client that you you're you're a you have conducted
research correct correct extensive research and your research has concluded that there are no
3.1 facilities in the city correct objection now you're testifying for her and no I'm not
i'm asking her a question steve what let her answer that question okay but it was a leading
question i understand i understand fine so based on my research i could not find any other 3.1s
in philadelphia but it is difficult to determine to categorize what each residential my research
showed that there were 3.5s and above, and I was not able to locate any 3.1s with my research that
I conducted. Understood. All right. No questions at this time, but I do reserve the right to bring
her back. I understand. Steve? Yes. Hey, Ms. Wondolowski, you testify that you were meeting
with um with officials at the state and the local level is that correct
you just said she couldn't talk about that because it was here no i asked i asked if she met with
them i have met uh with the local councilmen via uh zoom and then the rest of my correspondence
has been for research purposes with the different government entities that oversee
licensing via email. Is that on the state level, those government entities?
So it was DDAC, which is the Department of Drug and Alcohol Prevention, I believe,
DDAC within Pennsylvania. And I would have to check my records as it relates to the city level.
But I have communicated via email to following the process that is on Pennsylvania state's government website as it relates to opening up projects like this.
And in those in your in your communications and research, did you happen to talk to people about asking for a contract to.
did you happen to talk to people about um asking for a contract to get referrals of clients
objection that is beyond the scope of the questioning to ask for a contract
steve wonder i think we're gonna i i okay let's cut let's concentrate on what she testified
across on where she was and things like that i think i guess i just i just then just to clarify
fine, Mr. Chair. Ms. Wondoleski, as you're here today testifying, are you aware of any
agencies in the city of Philadelphia that want to contract with this facility to provide
either clients or funding through Medicaid? He just asked if she knows if the city's position,
that objection
I agree
Steve I agree
then I'm
I'll like
reserve for
next witness
Darwin
yes I would like to call
Brittany I mean Bridget
and before
as she's getting
on the call. I'm here, Darwin. Could you state your name, please, and spell for the
stenographer? Yes. Good evening, everyone. My name is Bridget Daly. I'm spelled B-R-I-D-G-E-T-D-A-L-E-Y.
Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Yes, I do, sir.
Ms. Daley, I understand you're going to be the one leading operations for the program.
I have on the screen Exhibit 7, which includes floor plans.
Right now, I'm showing what is being identified as the ground floor.
Can you tell me what's going on here?
And, Mr. Chairman, what I want to do, I just want to go over what the physicality of the program will look like, and then we can talk about hours of operation, staffing, and the like.
So, Ms. Daley, what are we looking at here?
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you so much, Darwin, and thanks for everybody that's staying on late this evening.
And so, what you're looking at at this point is the ground level floor, right?
And so it may be helpful to think from the top to the bottom in this moment, but the
upper levels of the floor will be places where people are living, right, and sleeping, right?
And the big part, yeah.
Bridget, Bridget, if you can see the screen, I just want to, because I'm actually going
from the ground up.
Oh, okay.
Opposite way.
I wasn't sure if we were going to go all the way.
So yeah.
So looking at the bottom floor.
So obviously there are people in residential treatment.
This is a residential treatment facility at a 3.1 level of care.
So this ground floor is where folks are going to be able to eat.
There's a kitchen in that bottom area where the cursor is that Darwin is moving around for me so lovingly.
And then up above that is the area where folks can eat and congregate.
And obviously, when they're in treatment, they still need to be fed.
And then as we look at going down the hallway, there are a couple areas of group rooms, right?
So right there, I think it's hard to see if you want to move in a little bit, Darwin.
But I do see on the upper right, there is a group room, right?
So obviously, like folks would be coming in there to be both in community with each other.
A big part of addiction treatment is community with one another, right?
Right. As well as having, you know, their their facilitation of group therapy, group talk therapy.
Right. If you see in that lower right where Darwin's moving around, that is an area where the you know, it's hard for me to read the things, but I know that that is for office spaces.
Right. And for like smaller group therapy sessions on the left, you see the office to office spaces in my vision.
And in my mind here, there's always a space for admissions, those nice referrals that Steve, Mr. Masters was speaking of, right?
People get referred to our facility and they have to have admissions.
And then up in that area is a smaller office, right, where an individual therapist would have their own office to be able to talk to folks.
Okay. And on the second floor?
Yeah, as we go up here, starting from the bottom, you see...
Yeah, as we go up here, starting from the bottom, you see some of the residential areas, right? So there are a couple beds that are going to be on that floor, you know, most of them being on a higher level of floor, but there are going to be some beds in this area.
Obviously, as you can see, what I think is really incredible and really nice that there's bathrooms for everybody, you know, people deserve to live with dignity as well. Over there, there is a classroom setting kind of set up in terms of another group room, right?
Again, a big part of 3.1 facilities are group therapy, right, and group talk therapy.
As you see over there is another office that would be a primary office for a primary therapist.
Those are oftentimes the people that help run groups but have individual therapy with the patients and clients.
And as we go up, there is more and more bets for folks to have comfortable living quarters.
And as well as like you'll see, again, bathrooms and spaces for them to kind of be around and hang out.
Again, just because they're in addiction treatment doesn't mean they don't deserve dignity.
And then again, on the top floor, again, there is also more spaces for residents to live, as well as the middle section there where they can have a little bit more space to kind of congregate and hang out.
Kind of maybe a kitchen area like a fridge.
So they come back from work.
Maybe they they have a sandwich they want to save for tomorrow and they're able to put their sandwich in there and they don't have to go to all the way to the bottom floor of the kitchen.
Great, great, great, great. So thank you for giving us what the physical operations will look like.
Some basic questions to start. How many employees are you intending?
So the ratio that we are, you know, obviously like committing to is seven to one for resident, right? But that's the ratio of like staffing in terms of, you know, actual groups and things like that. It does not include like the security officer that we're going to need. But seven to one is the ratio to clients.
Okay. And what is the hours of operations or how, describe to me what the facility, will it be accessible? Will staff be there just on a nine to five basis?
is? No, they'll be staffed there 100% of the time, 24 hours a day, right? Obviously,
staffing overnight when a lot of the residents are sleeping and they're in their beds might be a
little bit less, right? But there will be security there to supplement in that moment. But during the
day, it's a full moving treatment facility, right? So there's staff that needs to staff
the patients and clients that are in there. There's also the staff in terms of the therapists
and those types of clinicians in behavioral health, right?
And as well as like admin staff, front desk admissions, things like that.
But there'll be someone on site all 24 hours a day.
I mean, that's part of a treatment facility.
It's not that you just lock them up at night and you see them the next day, right?
Obviously, the folks need to be monitored and supported through this difficult time
in their lives, right?
That's great.
So you mentioned security.
Tell us about how that works.
Absolutely.
So, you know, we have decided to work with a camera system and AI technology, as well
as having a on-site security officer.
The AI technology helps us monitor with 14, I believe is what our decision is, around
cameras on the outside perimeter, as well as inside areas of the property, right?
Right. A security officer is also going to be there. Right. A big part of, you know, we're just talking about operations and timing is that residents are not supposed to be out and about after 11 p.m.
Right. That is like the the there's often a curfew that people have to abide by. Right.
And so both with our staff that will be there, as well as security officers, as well as the technology, that's how we keep track of that. Right.
People sign in and sign out, you know, and we have again, we're really trying to provide behavioral medicine and treatment for substance abuse here.
Right. So we're not a fan of people kind of being out till four in the morning, if you know what I'm saying.
And so ideally, like that's not ideally, but actually impractically, that is that is what's going to happen, you know, that we'll be monitoring it.
But again, we'll also be hiring a security officer to be on patrol, and we can ensure that there'll be staff as well to support in those instances.
Okay, so let me talk to you about, there was some talk when we were dealing with, excuse me, the RCOs about a zero tolerance policy.
a zero tolerance policy. Can you explain that to me? Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, at the end of
Can you explain that to me?
the day, one of the biggest things that we're going to prioritize as an organization is the
safety and including that the sobriety of our clients, right? And so, you know, we know that
if one person decides to go out and unfortunately use drugs, right, that they can't stay in our
facility, right? They actually have to go to potentially get detoxed or have medical work
done. And that's not something we actually provide. So in the 3.1 level of care, usually how
the referrals and things work is from either 28-day standard, what most people on this call
might think of in terms of rehab or substance abuse disorder facilities. 28 days, they refer
to us. So these people or detox centers that do medically assisted treatment in that moment
to help taper people off potential opioid or alcohol abuse, and then they're referred to us.
So at that point, they're not taking on any medically assisted treatment, right? And so for
us, we're going to be drug testing continuously. There's always random drug tests, as well as when
people, you know, like if there's anything that like is afoot, right, that like staff are worried
about, people will be drug tested instantly. And that's something that is pretty standard and
all 3.1 facilities is to continuously drug test. And again, if someone is using, we can't have
them in our facility for the protection of our other clients, right? It's not just necessarily
like a rule, we want to kick you out, good luck. It's about the protection of the other clients
in the facility. Understood. Understood. So in other words, there's no methadone.
this is not a methadone clinic and, and there are no drugs exchanged at all, whether it's for
their benefit. Correct. So we actually, we cannot like turn people away if they're on suboxone or
methadone or other medically assisted treatments, but we do not provide that care. We're not giving
them, we're not giving them those doses, right? It's not a methadone clinic that people are rolling
up to get their take homes for the weekend. Right. It's a treatment facility that includes group
therapy, individual therapy. And those are all things that are actually required by different
states for a 3.1 facility is a certain amount of hours of care. Right. And so that's it's it's
the goal here is that actually people coming to this facility have a few days under their belt.
Right. In terms of removed from drugs. Right. And that's where a big need that folks have
in terms of recovery, as a person that is in long-term recovery myself, you know, a lot of
folks can't kick a habit in 28 days or three days in detox, right? And so this provides a longer
term level of care for people that are already removed from the drugs. Okay. So the type of
residence that you would include, even though the zero tolerance policy, that there's no active,
no active mem uh you're not looking for anyone convicted of violent offenses correct
no um and we'll also be screening for sex offenders and and other issues like that so
you know again in in my mind that is about keeping our residents safe right and our clients as well
because in this moment they become members of the community as well right we want to keep our
community members around the corner safe and we also want to keep all the patients safe as well
And what about the, well, let's just talk about how would appointments, how do you intend, or will there be a van service?
van services to doctor's appointments or two different yeah so that that's again pretty normal
for any 3.1 facility um or um treatment facility that if you know when i was in treatment i had a
specialty doctor appointment i had to go uh to a special doctor at upenn actually and when i was
traveled there someone took me in a car right it took me in a van and that's pretty normal so like
For folks that are using medically-assisted treatment or, you know, sometimes you have a doctor's appointment, right, things like that, there will be transport vans.
And those vans also will transport folks to meetings in the 12-step programs and fellowships that are around to be able to allow people to expand their recovery networks.
Great.
Great, great, great.
um at this time oh let's let's talk about community service and contributions to to the
community what's your intention yeah I think that that's like a really incredible part of
Yeah, I think that that's like a really incredible part of when you get into recovery, right? You want to owe amends to the community around you. And so, you know, our plan is to work with some of our folks that we've met through this awesome process within the RCO that have businesses in the area that have a kitchen and corner store, right?
when you get into recovery
recovery.
like you know not too far um from the last community meeting right and and allow folks to
to be able to give community service hours and and support the community in the area right um
when i was in treatment something that we did was we planted flowers right at a a nearby hospital
um we also worked with a dog shelter right like these are all options and things that we can offer
to our clients um there's not many things that we can like absolutely make them have to do in terms
of like part of their program of treatment but you know i found that lots of folks really want
to be involved in this because they do want to show amends to their community that they're in
okay um at this time no no further questions but i do miss the masters um yes okay um
Um, Ms. Daly, how many, uh, you first were testifying about the floor plan, um, and you
were identifying certain rooms that you said were group therapy rooms and certain rooms that you
said were small group therapy rooms. And then was there one room that you said was an individual
therapy room? No, there was two. There was one on the lower floor and there was one upstairs. Um,
And I think one of the smaller group rooms can also be converted into, like, I think
the way the plan looks, it can be converted into an individual therapy room as well.