keith davis provided so um you know i may overlay it and i may interpret it at one location and
keith may overlay interpret at a different and ultimately it's based upon um you know the the
available you know i think keith had a you know gis data he had the map overlay and he took our
plan and i think his interpretation uh would it would have been the one that we were taking because
he is they are the city planning department miss tancredi just to help you i did finally receive
the email that mr galante just forwarded so i have the map if you want to see it that he's referring
to you may share your screen okay and you could send that to me by email when you get the chance
of course i'll circulate it around and and i would indicate that there are two versions this is not
exactly the same map but i think we're all showing very much the same things that were in the city's
exhibits that were previously produced and that i believe mr davis had previously testified about
okay so all right the screen the map is up mr galante quickly yes is this the map that you were
just describing that yes and you received this map from city planning city planning provided
this to me in an email correct and this is the map that you ultimately used to develop the plan
Yeah. Developed the plan that became the stamped approved plan. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Sorry,
Ms. Tancredi. Go ahead. And Mr. Galante. Yes. You deal with maps regularly in your work?
All day. Yes. Okay. And are they usually stamped or sealed or signed?
or signed? Not always. When you have a zoning map, it's not always stamped and sealed. Zoning maps
not always when you have a
are depictions of where zoning lies on a plan, and this is a zoning style map. It falls within
the zoning ordinance. I don't typically see these maps signed and sealed, like a zoning
interpretation map, to be honest with you. So when you deal with maps, do you know who prepared
the maps? They'll have a name of
whoever prepared it, whether it was, say you're in the city of Philadelphia, it could be the city
planning commission. If you're in a certain town, it'll list the engineer
or the planner that prepared it, but they're not necessarily stamped
and sealed. Is this particular plan,
the city's swales and streams map, stamped or sealed?
No, it's not.
is it signed no but it was provided in an email correspondence from the city which i would take as
um in in my professional opinion i would i would accept that coming from them it's not it wasn't
handed to me over the counter it was emailed from an email uh that basically stated you know this is
the um you know the overlay essentially so because you received this map in an email perhaps from
keith davis or someone else that doesn't mean that that person prepared the plan though correct
um well they would did that i guess there's i don't i mean as far it's coming from keith
he's the planner that i was dealing with at the time uh and for him to send it to me i would i
assume he at least over took a look at it before he sent it and and verified its accuracy chair
i would briefly object to the forum i believe miss tancredi is talking about the square inlay
in the center of the map which is the representation i i agree she is and i
believe mr galante is talking about the entire uh image that he received
i'm talking about the city's swales and streams map um as the question is whether mr galante
knows who prepared that map
um i am unaware who actually prepared that specific map okay is there a compass on the map
um yeah i i don't i'm trying to see here isn't that the end there's a north arrow
yeah north arrow yeah can you show us where that is it's right on the screen here
right here in the bottom right corner yeah okay okay that's not on this city's
yellow streams and swales map is it
Objection what we're looking at right now is simply a very small excerpt of the city streams and swales map, not the entire thing. So we have no idea what the representation is as to whether there is, or is not a legend, a compass or anything like that.
The map itself was here at the 1st hearing, and this was never raised or no questions came up about it at that point. Well, the question is for Mr. as to whether or not he knows whether on the city's streams and swales map that if there is a compass.
I would have to get a copy of the entire map. I don't have it in front of me right now. I mean, I'm going off of the various maps that were used to develop the 200-foot buffer, and it was ultimately provided to me from the planning department.
Just like a zoning map would be provided from the planning department, just like any map would be provided from the planning department, and we would use that to proceed with our plans.
What were the various maps that you received?
We, well, we had that stream map, the map that you see there with, it's like a USGS map.
And then we have this GIS map that's behind it.
And then, you know, any other zoning maps that you find online on Atlas, we use them in preparation of plans.
And, you know, I mean, I don't have every single list of every map that I could look at a city.
but if you go to atlas you can find pretty much a lot of different maps that the city prepares
and did you
corroborate or did you find any discrepancy between the city's swells and stream map and the atlas map
the the atlas with the city the atlas the atlas map is is essentially a zoning map that stream
map yet to get from if i recall you had to actually physically go to city planning to
get to see a copy of it um and they essentially would do the interpretation and and the wissa
And they essentially would do the interpretation. And the Wissahick and Overlay District, you have the 200-foot buffer from a stream, and I believe it's a 50-foot buffer from a ditch or a culvert, correct? Isn't that the zoning there?
hick and overlay did
I'm asking the questions.
I don't know. I mean, I'm sorry. I don't necessarily have an answer for that one.
Okay. So you don't know if there was a discrepancy between the Atlas map and the city's
swales and streams map? Well, I don't know. I don't know if the Atlas map, I'd have to go back
and look. It's been, you know, since five, six years ago. And like I said, when we as an engineer
prepare a set of plans and we go in for a zoning interpretation, which is essentially what this
was it was a zoning interpretation we rely on the professionals in the in those positions to
tell us you know this is this is our interpretation this is where the line goes
mr glanta you did mention the atlas map did you measure the stream from the atlas map to this
particular property at 118 Hillcrest? We looked at aerials, we looked at different mapping,
and ultimately this is the map that governs the one that we got from the city. I mean, that's
really, I mean, I look, when we design plans, we look at multiple different maps, but when it comes
down to interpretation from a zoning standpoint and a buffer and the city gives us a map that
says here's your buffer that's what we went by did you do a physical tour of this location
did you walk around the area to look for a stream i i perform site visits um you know i i generally
stay within our property boundaries um and ultimately i can't say exactly where i walked
when I was at my site visit Council I have no further questions all right thank you um
is there any questions to the board by the way okay so why don't we talk off our dates do you
have all three dates to give them yeah again it's but I just want to say um Council can you make
sure that that map is submitted as part of the record because i just forwarded it around everybody
thank you all right um the date we have is her the report from her witness would be august 12th
right closings august 19th right and then the vote at 9 30 on august 26th and everything's closed
here other unless unless there's a discrepancy with reports okay but mr chair is close what was
the august 17th date there was no august 17th it was august 19th the closings are august 19th
okay thank you and how would you like the submissions submitted do you want them as
exhibits through the uh just by email or
hey sorry this is uh executive director hegarty please submit all exhibits up through
the zba calendar through the portal thank you and i would ask that all the exhibits that we've
submitted be incorporated into the record okay all right i think we already did but the city
would in case we we didn't at the last hearing the city would ask it all of the exhibits that
that Mr. Davis had testified to also be submitted for evidence on the record.
Sure. Thank you.
And like this.
Thank you. And thank the three of you, and hopefully we'll vote on this shortly.
Thank you.
Well, maybe not shortly.
What's it, three weeks?
Is it three weeks?
Oh, four weeks.
Four weeks.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your time.
You both did double duty today.
I noticed that both of you were here the whole day.
Yeah, I didn't know what was going to happen on the earlier one.
Right.
okay thanks everyone is there anyone in the audience whose case has not been called
no hands chair all right thank you all see everybody tomorrow morning