ZBA Hearing - February 19, 2025

apartment and then what is the square footage of the bedroom the square footage of the apartment

is 645 square feet. Mr. Canty, do you know the square footage of the bedroom? The bedroom?

Mr. Canty, do you know the square footage of the bedroom?

The bedroom is possibly 20 by 15.

The room is 20 by 15. That's huge.

Can you go back to the floor plan?

Yes.

That would be a huge bedroom.

It also doesn't match the floor plans.

and it's just the garage that's being converted and that's being converted

it's already been done we're seeking to legalize the garage and the laundry room

uh the laundry room is um legal we're just seeking to legalize the conversion of

the second garage into a unit

okay

and the garage was originally a single car garage um it was originally um a two-car garage

and the plan of the of what's there now since it was already done

i'm sorry what was your question the plan a plan of the you know the garage is now

oh yeah i um i can go back to that but that was included in this i probably went through

it too fast because i was trying to save time for everyone um so it looks like it's 17 feet

um across across so the garage would only be 20 20 feet or so deep so you go can you go back to

the detailed floor plan plan yeah so there's no plan so there's no plan of the proposed change

there was there's a plan that was turned it was the third floor plan she went to it it didn't

have dimensions on it which is why i asked okay it's the next one yes this one yeah but that still

has the garage this is um one of the garages and this is the garage on the other side michael

okay to the right is what he redid so the there was a garage on the other side yes yes you know

I'm just, I was trying to get, so just from like basic estimation, um, one, that bedroom

does not have a window, which is not co-compliant, but it looks like it could also not be code

compliant by square footage.

Um, it's 600 and the whole unit is 645.50 square feet.

According to your plans, if it's 17 feet wide, that makes it 37 feet long.

that means that that bedroom is gonna be it's gonna hit somewhere between seven

and a half and nine feet wide to still make enough space for the hallway in the

bathroom it's it's close to like without knowing the exact dimensions there is a

world where it could be below the minimum square footage for a bedroom

because it cannot include the closet and it would still not rectify the fact that

it does not have a window. Hillary, like the other

cases, he'd have to get a CO.

So, I mean, it's already four

units, but I mean, they probably, I'm not

sure exactly how that works if you're just adding one additional unit when you're already in

that occupancy classification, but we could certainly require

a CO. I don't know if this is something where they would require a building permit to legalize

in any way in that case then there would be a co but i'm not entirely sure i think the other

question is is that unit already fully sprinklered because the sprinklers were like it looks like the

sprinklers were installed before that basement i mean before the garage was converted so if we

get approval from the board we're going to comply with the sprinkler requirements for the property

maybe we just haven't yet because it hasn't been legalized

any other questions yes where's trash being stored for all the units

um right outside uh in the driveway at the property line right here trash enclosure

is there currently commercial trash pickup for the rental units

yes i believe mr candy you pay an additional fee to the city for the commercial trash pickup

correct that's correct

questions or comments from our attorney

questions or comments from our attorney

not at this time mr chair questions or comments from the virtual audience

yes mr chair i have a hand up from nick noel they have been allowed to speak

hi nick could you please state your name and spell for the court stenographer

okay they're coming back in as a panelist message okay

nick yes i'm trying to unmute yeah this is nick noel

Hi, could you spell your name for the course stenographer?

Yes, my name is spelled N-I-C-H-O-L-A-S, Noel, N-O-E-L.

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

Yes, I do.

Are you a neighbor?

No, I'm a lead designer for MyFect, and I was trying to get on to help with some of the questions that your panel asked.

Okay, all right, how big is the bedroom, large?

Yeah, so the bedroom is 133 square feet.

And how about the apartment itself?

The apartment itself is 621 square feet and some.

Any other questions for Nick?

821, actually.

Yes, and we do, we are going to, because we are trying to legalize this building,

we are going to have to do some additional drawings and so on to get it up to code,

as far as windows and things like that, sprinkler system so that we can get a permit.

get the work done, and also have L&I issue a CEO at the end of the project.

Yeah, when you do that, I would recommend you look at your layout, too, because based on all the doors that you have, you can't put a sofa or a chair or anything in that living room.

Yeah, so we're going to look at all of that.

we're going to look at all of that um anybody else in the virtual audience planning commission

thank you chairman and good evening david facto with the city planning commission

chairman and board members the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the rsa5 residential

single family zoning at this location this property has a documented history of four

dwelling units with ground floor parking approved by variants in 1963. the appellant converted a

garage into a dwelling unit without the benefit of permits the city planning commission recommends

the board deny the proposed use variants for expansion but non-conforming use by more than 30

hillary can we proviso a building permit we can say that a certificate of occupancy is required

It will be a condition of the zoning permit.

And Ellen and I will, so we can say that a condition of occupancy is required.

That will be a condition of the zoning permit.

Ellen and I will determine what sort of building permits are necessary.

All right.

MI 2024-006-143-7601 Thorne Avenue.

I vote yes.

Say it again, Hillary.

Certificate of occupancy required.

Certificate of occupancy required.

My vote is yes with proviso.

Taneta Graham, my vote is yes with proviso.

My vote is yes with proviso.

Ishmael Shaheed, my vote is yes with proviso.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Erickani, and thank you, counsel.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else in the audience whose case has not been called?

i do not see any further answer mr chair thank you very much uh thanks everybody

thanks for hanging in there back with us the whole time i do appreciate what you do

thank you all um sorry i'm gonna get us in the paper y'all no problem have a good night all right

Thank you.