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ZBA Hearing - December 10, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Dec 10, 20256h 33m

I spoke with the community group leader today, was advised to believe that the issue was the residential component of both of these projects.

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My client was willing to remove those, and we were thinking that we would proceed today.

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However, the leader of the community group preferred that we come back to the community group for another meeting.

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advertise again or send out the notices again and see what and confirm that the removal of the

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residential component does eliminate any community opposition to the project so that they can

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hopefully revise their letter and the council member can then revise his letter so we respectfully

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request a continuance thank you i might suggest that we'd be maybe be an attorney moving party

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i'm not sure when they're going to meet i think maybe in january but i'm not sure

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Okay. So, number seven, MI-2025.

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I think Executive Director Haggerty actually has a date that would make more sense than attorney moving.

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Okay. That's fine.

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Thank you, Hillary, and thank you, Chair. Hey, David, how are you doing?

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So, we've got nothing open in January right now. I think we have a resumption date that's being held, Chair. Is that in February?

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2-3-2026.

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So why don't we put you on for 2-3-2026 at 930, and you can have this cleared up by then, hopefully.

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Yeah, I think they meet at the end of January, so that would be plenty of time. That'd be great. Thank you very much for the accommodation.

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So the record, so for the record, MI-2025-004-494 and MI-2025-004495, both cases are continued for a resumptive hearing on 2-3-20-26 at 2 p.m.

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Thank you.

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Just to clarify for the record.

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No, I'm sorry, that's in the morning, yeah.

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Yeah, well, neither, but it won't be, and it won't be resumptive, technically, we'll be, we'll start the hearing over, but yeah.

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So 2-3-20-26, I guess that's 9-30.

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9-30.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other continuances?

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I see no hands at this time, Chair.

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Okay, thank you.

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Number two, MI-2025-002-368-4821 Garden Street.

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Al Nockmson is the attorney.

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There he is there.

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oh no i'm sorry yep we we have one more no exhibits mi 2024 006 752 45 18 old york road

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third listing we have no um no uh no exhibits whatsoever

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Elizabeth Johnson is the listed owner.

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Martin Boyd is the listed applicant.

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Did not appear the last time.

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I see no hands, Chair.

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Thank you.

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So MI 2024-006-752-4518 Old York Road.

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Third listing, no exhibits.

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I vote to dismiss.

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Michael Johns, my vote is to dismiss.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is to dismiss.

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Tanetta Graham, my vote is to dismiss.

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Ryan McAdams, my vote is to dismiss.

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And we have a couple of add-ons I want to go over. Number one, MI-2025-004-256-753-North 44th Street. I vote no.

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Michael Johns, my vote is no.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is no.

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Tanetta Graham, my vote is no.

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Ryan McAdams, my vote is no.

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Ty Owen, my vote is no.

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Number two, MI 2025-004-388-421-North Preston Street, I vote yes with proviso.

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Maximum of three dwelling units.

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Michael Johns, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Tanetta Graham, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Ryan McAdams, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Iowa, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Number three, MI 2024, 006748, 4283 Viola Street, TA63838, I vote no.

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838, I vote no.

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Michael Johns, my vote is no.

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Michael Johns, my vote is no.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is no.

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Tannetta Graham, my vote is no.

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My own, my vote is no.

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Okay, so Alan, do me a favor.

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Give me, give me, I got a quick case here I got to do for yourself.

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I know, I saw you walk in and I, you know, I got you right away.

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I never lead off.

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Number four, MI 2025, 000025, 6617 Algar Street. Kevin Valentine is the attorney. It's a request for reconsideration.

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That's just a vote on the request, Mr. Chair.

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So I vote no to reconsideration and rehearing.

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michael johns my vote is no to um reconsideration and be hearing

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charles gaston my vote is no to reconsideration and rehearing

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okay tayo in my vote is no to reconsideration and rehearing

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and i mcadams my vote is no to require reconsideration or rehearing and now we'll hear mr

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knock them soon

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i think i did the last time now you want me to recertify on didn't vote on that matter before

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no but i thought i'd recertify that i'd read it no i heard it no we wouldn't have because

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we didn't vote on it yeah so we'll just re-vote that quick yeah okay thank you

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a lot of pages here boys

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mi 2024 006748 4283 viola street ta 633838 i vote no and i certify hold on here

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i certify that i watched a video recording of the february 26 2025 hearing in this matter

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Michael Johns, my vote is no.

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And I attest that I watched the video and I can't remember the date.

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September 16th.

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Right, 16th.

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2025, yes.

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I attest that I did watch that.

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In fact, this morning before all of our hearings.

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And my vote is no.

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Cheryl Gaster, my vote is no.

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Sonetta Graham, my vote is no.

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Hi, Owen. My vote is no.

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Do we have a short one I can do real quick?

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Here he is. Here he is.

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mr knockamson we'll go again mi2025 002 368 4821 garden street would you state your name

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is spelled for the stenographer alan knockamson a-l-a-n last name knockamson n-o-c-h-u-m-s-o-n

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do you swear or firm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do to identify your

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client and relationship to this property uh my client is 1934 diamond estate llc the owner of

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the property and to my left is one of its members uh gentian cadrew and our vice chair has a few

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questions good afternoon um have you submitted your documents and exhibits five days in advance

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of this hearing i have okay and do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its

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accuracy i do okay thank you you can share your screen and proceed with your case and just for

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point of information your unanimous opposition from bridesburg community councilman driscoll

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state representative hohenstein senator christine tartaglione and um numerous other people have

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send in opposition yeah so accidentally when I uh when I shut my computer you know fold it down

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it just disconnected me so just give me one second sure you know and I and I I know that there's

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opposition although I do believe there's grounds uh for this variance request um let me just get

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get back on here for two seconds and I am back so I just got the elevated to a panelist I am

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thank you

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all right let's get to the right screen

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Hi, I'm going to share my screen.

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I'm going to share my screen. Along with my client, Mr. Kadru, I also have Chris Karakoff

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with Studio C, who's the architect for the project. He'll walk us through with a lot

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of the architectural drawings. So I don't think that's working today.

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It's not working. Okay. Yeah. And I understand we might hold this for something here.

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Yes. And that was the other thing. I was going to do some housekeeping. I just want to make

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sure you can see my screen yeah we can okay so this is 4821 garden street so we have updated

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our our plans significantly for this project um and we'll go through that but right now it's a

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three-story apartment building that we're proposing 24 units of residential use three commercial use

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units and 57 parking spaces which increased so we decreased the amount of units and increased the

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amount of parking, as you'll see. So during my presentation, we'll first review the notice of

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refusal, the original one. We had a placeholder for the revised one. We've been begging L&I to

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give us an updated refusal, but I'll tell you what we have in terms of how the changes are going to

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be, and we would ask that the board hold the vote for the updated notice of refusal.

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Then we have correspondents from Bridesburg and other groups. I don't know if the council

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member sent the letter i did i didn't get it so i didn't include my packet maps of the area

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photographs of the property surrounding area our plans and drawings which we'll go over with chris

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our rco meeting notice or application for appeal deeds of property and certificate of tax clearance

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so as you can see here um we are an icmx property we are a lot size of almost 30 000 square feet

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um and what and you know my client purchased this property a few years a few years ago this

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property was on the market for some time um you know he'll testify to the fact or he'll at least

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adopt my testimony that this there's no use for this property as icmx like there's another property

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to left of us which is also icmx but what's surrounding us is residential and while the

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community may be opposed to this configuration of the residential use. Maybe they want to have

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single-family homes. I don't think there's a dispute, and maybe I'm wrong about this,

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that this should be a residential use of some sort on a 30,000-square-foot lot.

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But what you would see from this refusal is this. There were 48 dwelling units. I don't know if I

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stated the right amount before, but 48 residential dwelling units and three commercial dwelling units

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after we heard from the community how upset they were with the density we half that to 24 we and

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you'll see from the refusals we were doing a height as if icmx of 60 feet high we decided to go more

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in line with the community what's surrounding us is rsa5 and our height is 35 and a half feet

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we also increased the amount of parking spaces we went from 54 parking spaces to go to 57 parking

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spaces. So if you have 24 residential units and three commercial units, that's 27 units. You have

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57 parking spaces. That's more than a two to one ratio. We're not creating a curb cut out of thin

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air. This is we're repurposing the curb cuts that's currently there. So if you look at this

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refusal, the only thing that's going to remain on the new refusal is the multifamily household

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living. And again, 24 residential units and three commercial units for a 30,000 square foot lot

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is really a de minimis request under the circumstances. And again, my client is going

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to be one of the commercial units. He's going to propose to have office built. He's going to have

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his office there. And the other one, the updated refusal is going to say, specifying that the

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commercial use will be for business and office use only. But the other refusals are these,

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which will be eliminated. The height of the property, it's more of a technical refusal of

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68 feet. I think we're at 55 feet from the roof line, but now we're going down to 35 feet, six

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inches. We're also reducing the size of the pilot house where we are going down to 60 feet

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in the area of the pilot house from 165 feet. We're getting rid of that refusal. And the final

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refusal is about a front setback for a roof deck we got rid of that roof deck because you know the

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community felt that was inappropriate because the roof deck was really facing i think it was one of

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the residential units um or the residential property so we got rid of that so the only

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thing that remains is essentially the use we're in a we're we're embedded in a residential

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neighborhood we're trying to build a residential apartment building so then you know obviously we

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have a placeholder here where we were expecting to have the refusal but we don't have it in time

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and here's the correspondence and you know they lay out the legal standard of like why they're

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against it ultimately again this property has been vacant for some time it was

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um ultimately again this property has been vacant for some time it was on the market for some time

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we think an appropriate the appropriate use is residential given that and have a mix right and

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to have the least impact on the community we're repurposing a curb cut and we got rid of the height

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issue that's not out of character and we're providing 57 parking spaces for 27 units which i

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like again i don't know many developers who would do that this play a first i've done the two-to-one

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parking ratio so again communities against it i think the two and i think the two reasons well

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two reasons i understand it to be i didn't handle the community meeting mr goldberg from my office

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did two reasons was they were concerned that the previous use of the property was icmx

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they're concerned that there was an issue in terms of whether the site's dirty we have a phase one

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report it's too big for me to like well it was like a thousand pages i have it but the phase one

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came up clean so that's not an issue and you know i think we'll be responsible in terms of

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construction and then the second issue was the width of garden street they felt that it was too

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narrow to have the amount of 24 units there even with the off-street parking again previously there

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was off-street parking there it was an icmx building so and the truck the vehicles you would

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see from an icmx which is next door to us are more pickup trucks and bigger trucks so it's actually

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going to be a lighter load for the community in a lot of respects because we're just having

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very regular consumer vehicles of a sort and the street itself is 20 feet wide is it the ben

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franklin parkway right here no but is it a reasonably wide street it is and we're not

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affecting the community by providing 57 parking spaces so that you know they have a opposition to

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this and then you know we got the the letter from the state rep as well you don't have the

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letter from the city council member and again you get to see we're just off the water here

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and we are really surrounded by these rsa5 properties and this is garden street as well

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this used to be i think a paint manufacturer so i think that's the how we got the inspiration

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the name and we'll go over that but this is the property at the front of it

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from different angles but you can see there's a lot of parking uh back there but you can also

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see there's lots of trucks not from us but by the next door neighbor i would presume this is our

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hearing notice this is garden street to the right of the property and to left of the property and

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then these are our plans so i would just ask that mr karikoff come on be promoted as a panelist

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and then he could be sworn in and then he'll go through the plans with you i'm here can everyone

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hear me hi yes you can sir could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer

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yes sir uh christopher karakoff uh it's c-a-r-i-c-k-h-o-f-f do you swear or affirm to

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tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do counsel all right so um chris i figured

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while we have the front rendering up here.

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Why don't you just go over the materials

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