building services is commercial. I'm not sure that it still doesn't because it's building
supplies that it still doesn't fall within an industrial type of use.
Wouldn't the proviso that speaks to no manufacturing address that issue?
I think it addresses that industrial aspect of the application. I can't say right now that I
necessarily agree that anything that's remaining is still not industrial which is why i would just
rather leave it the way it is and that's my request and we just simply eliminate that one
thing that we know is an industrial aspect of it that may be of concern to some of the board
members for a variety of reasons and we're willing to remove that i agree can i cut in
no what's that uh yes i think the question i think the question's been asked and answered
Yeah, you're all set, Ms. Wang. I'll move on. Again, I'm not trying to jam up Mr. Orphanides on the, you know, industrial commercial use.
Ms. Wang, can you describe for us how trucks currently access the first floor of your property?
Mostly it's from the front and just the truck's coming from the front of the Washington
and loading and leave also from the Washington Street side.
Okay, so at present a truck comes in off of Washington, enters into the first floor of
the building and then at some point turns around and goes back out the onto Washington yes most
of the time yes okay and you agreed that Kimball Street was too narrow for trucks to pass through
correct i agree okay um do you miss wang does your business use the kimball street curb cut at all
not a lot of time
okay can can you describe uh in what circumstances you do use it
Only since Kimball Street is a small street, it's hard to access with the truck, as you stated, but the small truck or sometimes we, you know, a small car, we can access ourselves.
uh remove the uh fabrication part so we don't have a lot of truck uh you know we
not are loading and unloading on the um the final washington
so so the trucks now if approved they would actually just pull up and park on washington
and unload or are they still going to access the property to unload
Sometimes we do want them to access to the property unloaded because it's easier if we have a material on the second floor, let's say cabinet, we use an elevator down if they can load inside the building or be easier for us to load it.
Okay. So with when a truck accesses the first floor of the property to load or unload for your showroom.
how would it then get back out of the building if approved because all of the parking and
turnaround space will now be used for residential parking i was expecting to be in from the
washington and out from the uh kimball street because a lot of time it's it's not our enforcement
because back out the uh kimball street uh it's kind of narrow but still accessible and the uh
but the a lot of time the parking is very close to our building and even though they leave a driveway
but the uh it doesn't it's not wide enough for the truck to go out so i was expecting you know
once this is done and the uh you know the uh driveway area can be wider than can access in and
out easily but not like a big big truck yeah you know the car or you know small truck they still
can be accessed okay but but a truck would not be able to turn around inside
the interior of the building on the first floor if the residential parking
is put in place correct yes and no the we would design if I think can be both
week uh david can you answer me for this part i'm not being asked the question so i mean i
i would i would i mean i don't i don't want to jam it no i wasn't no miss wang maybe i can maybe
i can direct you better um david for the board can you put back up your revised plans and just
show the floor plan of the first floor right here i have it up for you that way everyone can see
what i'm talking about right and i want miss huang to answer your the questions but but but you wish
you could answer them for no but i just don't know that i mean i don't want to object because
you were very you know considerate during my presentation and understanding but she's not
a truck driver she's not a traffic I don't think she's a truck driver I will
I will accept listening to David's objection I put it to the board she's
not a truck driver but she is the owner and operator of a business which has
all the trucks come into and out of her business and she must witness whether
they turn around and how they turn around I agree so I don't know if the
board now has in front of them the revised plans I'm not seeing it on my
screen i don't see them oh sorry maybe i need to share my screen again i'm sorry yeah there you go
is it now uh perfect thank you david sorry yes i was i was i was reprimanded before by
my our secretary about that i was going through emails and everybody could see it so i i thought
I was I thought I was still out there so okay um so miss Wang yes that's discussing the how the
industrial vehicles will access the property how will the customers of your business access the
the property when you uh are approved here you may alter the approval yes assuming that the
building is approved and built uh how would a customer come to your showroom come to your
business oh um for loading unloading material is that what you uh questioning about right
or or someone who wants to access your showroom anybody who's coming usually a lot of customers
do they park out on the street and just coming walk into the showroom they really not parking
to the building only time using you know uh driveway area that when we loading or unloading
stuff okay so so there's no commercial parking in the building as it's proposed correct
uh um i think the parking can be when you say commercial
I think the parking can be, when you say commercial, that means my understanding would be, it can be parking for residential and the commercial at the same time.
But when you say the big truck, it depends how big is it.
But if it's a small, like, you know, it's a, like a pickup truck, it can be accessed.
It can be commercial or residential at the same time.
And do you also have larger trucks than pickup trucks access your property?
If it's very big, we're not letting in. We just usually load it outside and we bring the material out and load it outside.
Like a big box truck, you know, we're not letting it get in. We just load it on the street, actually in front of the building.
Right. Okay. And how will trash be handled when you, assuming that this project is built as proposed?
I think the charge does it shows on the print, isn't it?
Handling, you mean commercial charge or the residential?
Both, including how would it get picked up by a trash collection truck?
Uh, right now it's like we have a real, uh, dumpster.
We, the real dumpster will, uh, when the truck comes, the real dumpster will...
I think the question, ma'am, is going forward, if the project were approved, where will the trash be stored and where would it get picked up, uh, by a commercial, uh, trash hauler?
Where, in the front of the building.
Washington Avenue, obviously. Yes, yes. Because that's the best way to have a
charge truck to access in the fund and then take it out and then dump it and then bring it back in.
And you will be using private trash collection? Yes. And then if you could describe on the floor
plan, where will the granite storage be? Mr. Orfaniti showed a lot of interior photos that
showed quite a bit of granite storage. I'm just wondering where those would be. You mean in the
future? Yes. In the future we will probably show most of them in the on the showroom area and some
of them will be on the second floor. Okay so how would if you had granite that was getting delivered
to be loaded and shown in your showroom how would that happen no in the future once we have a more
residential up there and then the down on the first floor commercial we more like a showroom
area not a lot of operating uh stuff it will be reduced reduced a lot okay if we if we consider
where or not will be a small pieces of granite will be picked up on the showroom yes it will
we're on a small piece of the cabinet or a few piece of cabinet will be picked up yes
it will be still and i just we just don't do that heavy not that much as much as right now
and how is the second floor showroom accessed by customers deliveries
we have a elevator and we have a stair from the showroom goes up
okay um where is the elevator
sean can i help since she can't point to she hasn't had control of the screen
how do we how do we want to do this i mean i don't want to do her work for you since you're
you can you can just show me she said that there's an elevator from the first floor to the second
elevator i don't see it on the plant it's right here so you would enter so here's the lobby and
elevator that comes here elevator lobby and then comes up to here and here's the elevator lobby
and then they can go into the second floor showroom here's the doors or they can enter and then the
stairs are you come in here i mean there's actually two stairs you can come in off the lobby over here
and come out here or this is where their showroom right is now and there are existing stairs right
now that in the interior photos where you go upstairs and then you're into it so you can
either stairs within their existing showroom on the ground floor to the showroom upstairs,
the new elevator and new stair. Actually, I think this is the existing elevator
that there may modify. I don't know. Jenny might be able to speak to that, but elevator and stairs
over here leading up to this elevator lobby and stair lobby that you can also access.
so two stairs and one elevator okay this is a central so this is another this may be another
Okay, this is a central. So this is another, this may be another different commercial unit over here, or it may be theirs as well. But there's a separated access or lobby that comes in here. And that's how also you get up to the residential units as well.
different
That feeds all the way up.
So all access to the elevator has to come off of that hallway from Washington Avenue?
Do you want me to answer that?
Ms. Wang?
All access to the elevator has to come off of the Washington Avenue corridor, correct?
Yes. Okay. Am I hearing it correctly? Have I heard that that elevator is the elevator that
will be used for the residential units or no? Yes, it will be mostly used for the residential
unit. Is there another elevator for the residents or is that the only one?
that's only i think that's a two elevator in that jenny elevator but that's the only bank
right the two elevators yes either two elevator or one with the big one one big elevator
because it's it's kind of small to see on the plan that's going to handle the pedestrian traffic for
your showroom and the residence uh showroom will be mostly we will access inside our stairway unless
we sometimes we might use some uh things to you know carry from the uh uh can i just interject
i think some of these questions might be better addressed to the designer here that david that's
where i'm going next so i just wanted to make sure i got everything for ms wang yeah she's trying her
best to go through the plans as she understands
it, but there are some things that I think.
All right. I'll wait.
Okay. In that case,
Ms. Wang, thank you very much.
Those are my questions for you.
And Ms. Wan,
I would like to ask you some questions
if you're still on. Mr. Whalen, if I can
just interject. Should I, Mr. Chairman,
should I wait until Mr. Whalen
is done to go back
and to
any of these witnesses to address anything
raised by Mr. Whalen, or would you like that to happen as we're going?
Maybe as we're going. Yeah, let's do it as we're going.
I'll try not to take too long.
Ms. Wang, real quickly, just to restate,
most of Mr. Whalen's questions were regarding the
existing and the proposed industrial use, not the residential use.
but you were saying currently trucks drive in and they'll either turn around
because there's so much space and drive out nose first or they back out.
Correct.
To me, right?
Yes. You.
Oh yes.
Okay. And, and again, like I joked before, you know,
in terms of how trucks function, Mr. Whalen is correct.
You are the business run the business there and see trucks picking up and
delivering all the time, but you're not a truck driver yourself, correct? No, I don't. And is it
in the current design, I believe you had mentioned that trucks will either pull up to the loading to
the area in front and pick up or may pull in to that drive aisle that we're showing between the
two non-residential units to pick up, correct? Correct. And if they can't drive through,
let's say the truck is too big to navigate down Kimball because you're
gonna know basically how big of a truck can get out and if they can't turn
around is it possible that they might need to back out onto Washington yes
okay and you when you've been on Washington you see other businesses where
vehicles drive in nose first and back out of the curb cuts rather than coming
out those first you see them back out onto washington as well i see a lot of them we
we're in a similar business and a lot of them doing the same thing or sometimes we just back
it into the building and load and leave and back but do they back out that sometimes right many
times yes okay um in terms of how that works um i know i have the little citizens app because i
I live in the neighborhood, I live a couple, just a couple blocks from you and I get alerts
when there's an accident or somebody's jumping on somebody or something.
I don't see any vehicle accidents down on Washington Avenue come up much of it at all.
Have you seen any accidents with vehicles backing out, you know, construction type
vehicles, delivery vehicles, trucks with building supplies if they need to back out onto Washington?
Have you seen any accidents?
I don't, I don't see any.
And then one thing was a question, this will be my last question.
Mr. Whelan had asked you about the ability to use the residential parking spaces for the non-residential use.
Mr. Whelan had asked you about the ability to use
And I just wanted, you gave your answer that you thought that they could be used for both.
If you understood that you could not, that technically by the code those spaces are dedicated to the residential use,
understand then you would then trucks would not be able to park their trucks
would not be able to use them to turn around that doesn't impact your
business or your decision to proceed with this development project as it
presently stands correct I just wanted to make sure she understood that moving
forward and again I just want to be clear you're we've shown where the trash
is stored I'm circling it on the drawing right now there's trash room on each
floor above and again you'll either have a trash truck pull up in front of the building or pull
into the building a little bit and then the dumpsters brought out is that the plan as opposed
to a truck actually driving all the way in yes that's what we're expecting to do okay so the
dumpsters will be kept indoors until the night of before whatever i don't know how many days you're
going to have pickup they're not even going to put them out they're going to stay inside the
building and they'll come in. Okay. Yeah, they're going to stay. And thank you for bringing that up
because I thought when she said trash collection from in front. Right. He was talking about the
vehicle. The dumpsters themselves will remain inside. They'll come inside, retrieve them,
and take them back outside. Thanks for clearing that up. They won't be put outside for pickup
on the sidewalk. They won't be stored in general on the sidewalk. The only time the dumpsters should
be on the sidewalk will be when they're pulled across from the inside of the building to the