And I just19 wanted to know, you know, now post the20 stimulus, whether or not we had some way21 of continuing --22
Well, I don't23 know. You know, in the absence of those24 funds, it may be somewhat difficult, but25 49 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 certainly are appreciative of the fact2 that we were able to increase our3 minority participation, per a lot of4 small businesses, to work.5 And hopefully, oftentimes6 government can be kind of like the7 starter of the engine, that, hopefully,8 some of these businesses who have been9 able to use those funds to start work10 will be able to, with their own11 reputations, go out and get additional12 money.13 But we're not in a position14 probably to be able to sustain them with15 government dollars, and that's what we16 always talk about, is trying to make sure17 that we are the engine of starting, but18 we can't be the final provider of those19 dollars.20 So hopefully, if it's suppose21 to stimulate activity, we hope it did,22 and we think that it has, in fact. But23 we are not going to be able to, on a24 long-term basis, continue to make those25 50 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 funds available.2
I just -- I3 keep thinking of the School Board and the4 drastic halt that those dollars mean, and5 I'm just cautiously -- I'm actually6 pleasantly surprised that we didn't get7 on a diet of that and then it come to a8 screeching halt, where we couldn't manage9 without it.10
Right, right.11 I mean, I think it's a testament to, you12 know, to give -- sing some small praises13 of the Administration's ability to try to14 kind of manage through these tough times.15 It is very easy, you know, to16 try to manage with one-timers, but we've17 had some very good discipline enforced by18 the folks over in Finance, much to the19 regret of some of the operating20 departments who think that sometimes21 finances are -- overrule things that they22 would like to do.23 But, you know, it's very24 important that the City's fiscal health25 51 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 be maintained as a very top priority.2 And I really want to take my hats off to3 the Finance officials who have done just4 a great job, and I think you'll be5 hearing more about them and the6 recognition that they're going to be7 getting for the City in their ability to8 maintain the fiscal integrity of the9 City.10 And I'll just leave it at that.11
And I agree.12 The proof is in the pudding. We received13 close to $2 billion worth of stimulus14 money. As a city, we put together a good15 committee to bring that down. And with16 the help of the IG, the Inspector17 General, we didn't have, to my knowledge,18 any financial defalcations. We argued a19 lot, but we did not run afoul of any of20 that, which is a good thing.21 But I want that model the22 continue because even though there are no23 stimulus packages, there is stimulus24 within the departments, they're still25 52 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 going to do contracting out for services,2 we still will be eligible for certain3 grants, but we can't if we don't look for4 them and don't apply to them.5 And I think in these tough6 budget times, we need to continue that7 model. Maybe we won't get 2 billion, but8 if we got a quarter of a billion, that's9 better than nothing, and I'd like us to10 do that.11 And so, I'm going to continue12 on that until we kind of formulate a13 committee.14
Thank you,16 Madam Chair.17 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:18 You're welcome.19 The Chair recognizes20 Councilwoman Tasco.21
Yeah,22 Madam President, I think, asked a23 question about the National League of24 Cities.25 53 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
You have7 to be a member of the State in order to8 be a member of the national.9
Thank you.13 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:14 You're welcome.15 I think I may have asked this16 question during the Five-Year Plan, and17 I'm going to ask it again because I don't18 know that we got an answer that was quite19 satisfactory.20 Philadelphia County alone is21 slated to receive $2.3 billion in22 Recovery Act funds, which will spur23 advances in science, health, and energy24 efficiency, and create thousands of jobs.25 54 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 I think I did ask how --2
Can8 you tell us how much of the $2.1 billion9 has been spent?10
Council11 President, we can get you -- you know, we12 on a, I guess, quarterly basis, put out a13 report, and we can get that report to14 you. I can't give you the number off the15 top of my head.16
All17 right. And while you're doing that, can18 you give us the breakdown of who received19 the funds, what were the projects, and20 how much money -- or how many jobs have21 been created, permanent jobs?22
Right. And23 we'll get you a copy of our report.24 I just want to underscore that25 55 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 our report deals with those monies for2 which the City -- that the City proper is3 responsible as a recipient.4 The $2 billion, if I'm not5 mistaken, that you're quoting reflects6 the receipt of funds throughout the7 region. So it would include, for8 example, SEPTA and other recipients for9 whom we are not the reporting authority.10 So I just want to caution you.11 So we'll get you our report and to the12 best --13
And20 how many permanent jobs have been21 created.22
Thank25 56 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 you.2
Are4 there any other questions from members of5 the committee?6 (No further questions.)7 Seeing none, thank you.8
And11 when can we expect to receive the12 responses to questions that you were13 going to get back to us on?14
We're getting15 them as soon as we can, Councilwoman. We16 have someone who is taking notes, and17 we'll try to get those to you within 7218 hours.19 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:20 Within 72 hours?21
Thank24 you.25 57 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
Okay.3 MR. McPHERSON: The next4 department is Inspector General.5 (Witnesses come forward.)6
Good7 morning, welcome. 10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Good11 morning, President Verna. 21 Over the past three years, the22 Office of the Inspector General has23 evolved. It has become a more skillful,24 more efficient, more successful agency,25 58 3/28/11 COMM. 3 million6 budget. 10 Thank you for the opportunity11 to present the Operating Budget. 25 59 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 We also manage for the City of2 Philadelphia a contract for surveillance3 services, which will expire in June of4 2011. For reissue of that contract,5 we're working with OEO to develop a6 strategy to maximize the participation in7 the bid process of businesses owned by8 minority, women, and disabled persons9 residing in Philadelphia. 22 Additionally, we'll be increasing the23 surveillance contracts from one company24 to five to increase minority25 60 3/28/11 COMM. 2 We're strongly committed to3 maintaining a diverse workforce. The4 current makeup of the OIG staff is5 75 percent women and minorities. 8 I'd like to start by saying9 that in my experience, most City10 employees are honest and hard-working and11 resent being stigmatized by the small12 number who are engaged in dishonest13 activities. 16 This year, the OIG has achieved17 an unprecedented level of success in18 criminal and administrative19 investigations. For example, in the last20 three years, we helped to get rid of21 nearly 100 City employees who engaged in22 misconduct, and no employee has23 successfully appealed our recommended24 termination and one reinstatement with25 61 3/28/11 COMM. 9 This means that we make decisions about10 what to investigate or what not to11 investigate based on what we think is the12 right thing to do. 16 Second, we've begun to work17 with departments to make institutional18 change and to prevent corruption and19 fraud in the future. 24 Third, we have initiated25 62 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 several proactive projects. 17 Fourth, we've streamlined our18 procedures for savings and recovery. 23 We also have a new procedure to24 recover money from employees who have25 63 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 stolen from the City, and that money is2 subtracted from their separation3 payments. 19 Even though we are an investigative body20 that conducts confidential21 investigations, we have engaged taxpayers22 through providing more information on our23 website and, again, providing an annual24 report that shows our statistics and25 64 3/28/11 COMM. 2 I'd like to briefly describe3 our performance this year, and the4 results have been strong. 10 All of our criminal cases were11 felony cases. In one situation, we12 discovered a scheme that defrauded the13 City of approximately $600,000. A clerk14 in the Records Department had been15 copying accident reports, selling them,16 and pocketing the cash. 20 In another joint investigation21 with the FBI, a former title registration22 aid for the Records Department was23 sentenced to prison for accepting over24 $46,000 to prepare and record fraudulent25 65 3/28/11 COMM. 13 We worked again with the14 Philadelphia Police Department to arrest15 a City health inspector on 85 counts of16 prescription fraud-related charges. 24 I'd like to briefly describe25 66 3/28/11 COMM. 3 We track all of our sustained4 cases. 8 When there were appeals, the9 Civil Service Commission upheld the10 imposition of discipline, and not one11 individual has appealed the imposition of12 discipline and received his or her job13 back. 25 67 3/28/11 COMM. 7 In calendar year 2010, we8 recommended disciplinary action against9 44 City employees. Of these, 3710 employees were terminated and seven were11 suspended or demoted. 21 Several of those are as follows:22 We discovered uncashed wage23 checks from a federal agency, and we had24 the federal agency reissue those checks,25 68 3/28/11 COMM.
3 We also, at the request of the4 Delaware River Waterfront Corporation,5 oversaw an audit and investigation of6 grants that were awarded to two nonprofit7 organizations. 24 Thank you for the opportunity25 69 3/28/11 COMM. 3
Thank4 you.5 The Chair recognizes Councilman6 Goode.7
Thank you,8 Madam President.9 Good morning, Miss Kulrand.10 How are you?11 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Good12 morning.13
The14 questions are the same as I asked15 Mr. Armbrister and they're the questions16 that I'll be asking of every department.17 Your Class 200 request is18 roughly $120,000?19 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's20 correct.21
And almost22 all of that is going toward one contract?23 24 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Two25 70 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 contracts.2
Okay. Well,3 what is the largest contract?4 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: They are5 both -- it's equally split between the6 two contracts.7
So what size8 are the contracts?9 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: They're10 65,000 apiece.11
Okay. And12 who currently holds the contracts?13 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: One14 contract is held by a retired FBI agent,15 and one contract is held by a retired IRS16 investigator.17 And let me correct what I said18 a few minutes ago. It's 60,000 a apiece,19 not 65.20
Okay. And21 are they renewable contracts?22 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: They are23 renewable. They have not been rolled24 over yet; this is the first year.25 71 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
So when was2 the last time they were bid?3 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: If I can4 just have one moment.5 (Ms. Kurland confers off the6 record with staff.)7 The contract period was July8 1st of 2010 through July 30th of 2011.9
So how many10 years has either of these two firms held11 the contract?12 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: One of the13 parties held the contract before I became14 the Inspector General, and that contract15 has been continued. The other party has16 held the contract just for one year.17
So one has18 held it for about three or four years?19 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's20 correct.21
Okay. I22 think you've described the contract23 requirements somewhat. Are either one of24 the firms a disadvantaged business?25 72 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Neither of2 them are.3
Okay. Does4 either of the firms subcontract with a5 disadvantaged business?6 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: No.7 They're all just individual.8
Was there a9 goal for disadvantaged business10 participation in the RFP?11 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes. Our12 goal, as the Inspector General's Office,13 I believe, was 17 percent. And14 unfortunately, we did not meet that goal.15
I'm actually16 speaking specifically about the RFPs for17 two contracts. Was a goal set within18 those contracts?19 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Within20 those contracts?21
Within those22 RFPs, first.23 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: May I just24 have a moment?25 73 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 (Ms. Kurland confers off the2 record with staff.)3 It was set for 55 percent.4
And what7 about the contract itself?8 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We9 received a waiver from OEO when we10 established the steps that we had taken11 to try to find minority businesses.12
So there was13 a goal but not a goal in the RFP.14 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Excuse me?15
There was a16 goal and not a goal in the RFP?17 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes.18
There was a19 goal?20 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: There was21 a goal, yes.22
And then23 because the responses did not contain24 meaningful participation, there was not a25 74 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 goal in the contract.2 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's3 right.4
Okay. How5 has the participation goal changed during6 your tenure?7 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: The8 participation goal is the same.9
Okay.10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We11 continue to take steps to try to locate12 and find minority businesses to respond13 to the contract.14
But there15 are no subcontracting opportunities.16 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: There are17 no contracting opportunities.18
Okay. So19 what have you done differently during20 this fiscal year to change or increase21 DBE participation?22 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We have23 contacted the organization known as24 "FLEOA," which is the federal law25 75 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 enforcement organization. We have2 contacted the Association of Government3 Accountants, we have posted our job on4 the Certified Fraud Examiner website, and5 we've worked very closely with OEO to try6 to identify people that they may know who7 could respond to our contracts.8 Additionally, before the RFPs9 were posted, we searched the current10 registered vendors and found none. We11 searched the African-American Chamber of12 Commerce database and found none. And we13 additionally reached out to qualified14 individuals who we knew, but none of them15 responded to the RFP.16
Okay. Thank17 you for your testimony.18 Thank you, Madam President.19 MR. McPHERSON: Councilman20 Jones.21
Thank you,22 "Madam President."23 I have a real quick question.24 Is it the purview of the Inspector25 76 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 General's to investigate political2 activities in general of Civil Service3 employees?4 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We have5 jurisdiction over all citizens -- of all6 City employees in the executive branch.7 There may be misconduct8 regarding political activity. In those9 cases, we would either refer the case to10 the Ethics Board or work very closely11 with them to do the investigation.12
So I guess13 the bookkeeping organizational chart14 piece that I'm trying to find out, is it15 you who investigates and they then follow16 up after your investigation? So it's the17 chicken or the egg?18 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Well, the19 Ethics Board also has juris -- we have20 concurrent jurisdiction in those matters.21 But because the Ethics Board has more22 expertise regarding political activity,23 we would work with them.24 We're in the process of25 77 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 developing a memorandum of understanding2 with the Ethics Board to make sure that3 we don't do the same thing twice or4 overlap and that we're consistent in5 investigations.6
'Cause I got7 a little bit confused about who actually8 does what. That would be, I mean,9 helpful to at least to understand who's10 on first and what's on second.11 Thank you, "Absent Chair."12 MR. McPHERSON: Councilman13 Greenlee.14
Thank15 you.16 Good morning, Miss Kurland.17 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Good18 morning.19
I just20 had a question on the criminal cases you21 talk about. Does your office also make22 recommendations to the departments about23 changes they could make to maybe not have24 these problems occur in the future?25 78 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 INSP. GEN. KURLAND:2 Absolutely. That's one of the new3 initiatives that we have this year.4
Okay.5 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: For6 example, in the Records Department case7 --8
I was9 going to ask that, yes.10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes. Once11 that woman was indicted and convicted, we12 worked very closely with Commissioner13 Decker to basically rearrange the entire14 office.15 Cameras are installed, walls16 were moved, and she has much closer17 supervision over the employees who work18 there now.19
Okay.20 Those recommendations particularly to the21 Records Department -- 'cause, as you22 might know, I've had some history23 there -- are they public? I mean, I'd24 like to know what those recommendations25 79 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 were, is what I'm getting at.2 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Okay.3
If you4 could submit those or --5 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: In three6 cases, we wrote policy reports and7 recommendations, and those are posted on8 our website.9
Okay.10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Two of11 them were with regard to the Revenue12 Department after the $600,000 was13 discovered. And another one was14 regarding the Delaware River Waterfront15 Corporation audit and investigation that16 we did.17
Okay.18 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: With19 regard to the Records Department, we20 didn't write anything up. We just worked21 closely with Commissioner Decker.22
So I23 guess it would be more appropriate maybe24 to ask her, when she comes in, about.25 80 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes.2
All3 right. Thank you.4 MR. McPHERSON: Councilman5 Green.6
Thank you.7 Good morning.8 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Good9 morning.10
During your11 testimony at last year's budget hearing,12 there was discussion about interaction13 between the Office of the Inspector14 General and the Controller's Office. I15 think the exchange ended with your16 testifying that you were trying to work17 things out with the Controller in terms18 of being able to work together on19 matters.20 Could you please provide an21 update on how that effort is proceeding?22 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We are23 basically in the same situation we were24 in last year. My door is open, I welcome25 81 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 any cooperation with the Controller's2 Office, but it has not happened.3
So there's4 still cooperation with the Controller's5 Office or ability to work together?6 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Nothing7 more than we had in the last year.8
Okay. Do9 you know if the Controller is using the10 OIG's investigations to help aid its11 broader, Charter-mandated annual audits?12 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: I'm sorry.13 Could you repeat that?14
Do you know15 if they're using your investigations and16 reports to help them perform their annual17 mandated Charter audits?18 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: I don't19 know, I don't know.20
Okay. So21 they have never -- when they're22 investigating a department, they've never23 reached out and asked about specific24 things that are in any report that you've25 82 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 ever prepared?2 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: No, they3 haven't.4
Okay. That5 doesn't seem to make a lot of sense,6 considering the work that you guys are7 doing.8 Your 2010 annual report9 indicates that your financial10 accomplishments -- and we went through11 this last year. Your financial12 accomplishments include $3.1 million in13 salary savings from terminations which14 are based on two years of salary15 projections.16 And what I suggested last year17 was that the only fair way to look at18 this is whether or not positions were19 permanently eliminated or whether or not20 they were filled; or, you know, they21 hired a different person to perform the22 work, say, at a lower level so the23 savings would only be the difference24 between the higher salary and the lower25 83 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 salary; you know, the supervisor's gone2 but there's now, you know, another person3 performing that function, et cetera.4 Can you explain why you5 continue to count this as -- and tout6 this as what you've saved the City as7 opposed to, you know, what I and many8 others think would be a much more actual9 accurate measure?10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Okay. In11 my testimony, I believe that I said that12 our savings was over $6 million. I13 didn't include that $3 million because14 there really is no way for us to15 determine exactly whether a position has16 been eliminated; whether somebody moved17 into that position, thus eliminating a18 different position.19 The savings that would have20 occurred in pension because of a newer21 employee, whether DROP was involved,22 there were too many variables. And so,23 we really need to just stick with that24 estimate.25 84 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 But I did not include it in my2 testimony when I said that the savings3 were over 6 million.4
So, for5 example, in -- I understand what you said6 in your testimony, but what you're7 sending around and is available in your8 office as people walk in and what the9 Administration gives to people who are10 asking what's happening in the Office of11 the Inspector General is your annual12 report.13 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Right.14
And your15 annual report has terminations,16 $3,113,480.17 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's18 right. And I dropped a footnote to19 explain that this is a very conservative20 approach to documenting the savings.21
It's a22 very -- it's not conservative; it's a23 very aggressive approach to documenting24 savings, right? 'Cause you're assuming25 85 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 positions remain unfilled for two years2 as a consequence of a termination.3 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's4 correct. But compared to the way these5 estimates are done in federal government6 and in other government entities, it is7 conservative.8
Well, I'm --9 I'm only interested in accurate10 information and not how other agencies11 measure what they do.12 And so, I'd ask that in the13 future, since this is the second year14 we've had to discuss this, you simply15 either don't include it, or you provide16 actual data. Now that, you know, you've17 been there several years, it should be18 available at least for 2009.19 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Okay.20 Thank you. I'll take that into account21 for next year's annual report.22
Thank you.23 Miss Rhynhart, did you have24 anything to add?25 86 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
Okay. Your3 testimony noted the proactive efforts of4 the Office to make institutional change5 and prevent corruption and fraud in the6 future. It references policy reports7 recommending changes the OIG has issued8 to departments where you uncovered fraud9 and corruption, and says the departments10 have enthusiastically adopted these11 changes.12 How many and which departments13 have you issued policy reports to?14 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We issued15 two policy reports to the Revenue16 Department. One involved the case where17 federal wage tax -- I'm sorry. One of18 them involved the case where a Revenue19 examiner or a Revenue employee was able20 to steal money. And as a result of that,21 we discovered the uncashed federal wage22 tax.23 I don't have the exact24 recommendations off the top of my head;25 87 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 they're on our website. But, for2 example, we recommended that the City3 pursue using direct deposit with regard4 to money coming in from other agencies,5 and I believe that that has -- I think6 the testimony was that's the case in7 approximately 90 percent now.8 We also made recommendations to9 the Revenue Department regarding10 overtime. Supervisors had been giving11 overtime to people before the overtime12 actually happened, had been signing off13 on the paperwork.14 And we made recommendations15 about how they should approve overtime16 beforehand, make sure the person actually17 did the overtime, and then document that.18 And those changes were made in the19 Revenue Department.20
So for the21 record, it wasn't departments; it was a22 department.23 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: No. That24 was the Revenue Department.25 88 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 We also made recommendations to2 the Records Department, after the3 $600,000 was stolen, about how to more4 closely supervise the employees, install5 cameras, move walls so that employees6 were not alone with somebody coming in7 with cash, and to take greater control8 measures over the cash coming in. And9 those recommendations were adopted.10
So why not,11 as many organizations do, not accept12 cash?13 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's14 something you would have to ask the15 Records Department.16
But that17 wasn't one of your recommendations?18 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: No, it19 wasn't.20
Okay. With21 respect to the computer systems and the22 way things get recorded in the City, with23 respect to those, did your24 recommendations include any changes in25 89 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 workflow processes involving computers2 that would prevent people from being able3 to see somebody until what they were4 there for was in the system?5 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: I'm not6 sure I understand.7
Well, for8 example, if people are required to9 register on a computer to go see somebody10 as to what the reason they are there11 for -- to pay cash for whatever -- or12 there's somebody in line with an iPad or13 an iPod or some other electronic device14 that can communicate with our servers,15 and they basically find out why people16 are there, then someone giving cash to17 another person, it will be recorded as to18 why somebody was there, and it will be19 much harder for people to take cash.20 Our computer systems themselves21 and the way our workflow processes work22 in the City, all being paper-based, make23 it harder to hold people accountable who24 deal with or accept cash.25 90 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 Would you agree that that is a2 true statement?3 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That is4 true.5
And did your6 recommendations involve updating the7 systems so that it is harder to do that8 and easier to hold people accountable and9 have an actual record of everything that10 comes into the City?11 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We've12 spoken with all of the departments about13 the need to upgrade the computer systems.14 For example, the computer15 system in the Water Revenue Department16 doesn't really speak to the computer17 system in L&I, and that can cause a18 number of problems, and it has caused a19 number of problems in the past.20
That's21 right. And so, when you're looking at --22 for example, have you looked at the23 computer systems to determine whether or24 not changes can be made to people's25 91 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 records without leaving an audit trail of2 who made that change?3 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We've4 found situations where you can go back on5 the computer and determine what computer6 was used to do something, but we can't7 determine what individual used it.8 Somebody could have been sitting at9 another person's desk.10
Somebody11 left computer on --12 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Exactly.13
Like, for14 example, if somebody was at the basement15 in MSB, at a main terminal, they could16 have -- and a lot of people go to the17 computers at the desk. Any person could18 have changed that; there'd be no way of19 determining because there's not specific20 log-in information, say, as there is, for21 example, even in restaurants, where each22 server has to swipe a card before they23 can make any kind of change to the menu24 or a bill or something like that.25 92 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: This is2 one of the changes we'd like to see.3
Has it been4 a part of your recommendations to any5 department?6 INSP. GEN. KURLAND:7 Specifically, as it relates to individual8 cases, we have not made broad9 recommendations to the Department of10 Technology in that sense. Really, all of11 our recommendations are case-specific.12
Doesn't13 that -- I mean, for three years, I've14 been asking the question, you know, is it15 possible to do what we just described,16 change people's accounts. There are many17 stories that, you know, people's water18 bills accounts have gone from, you know,19 20,000 to 500 and other things like that.20 And I'm told that at Water Revenue, the21 new computer system prevents that from22 happening.23 I don't know that 'cause I24 don't know that -- you know, as you say,25 93 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 you can only identify the computer, not2 the user that's putting in information.3 And there's no alert that if a certain4 percentage or other kind of change made5 that automatically goes to a supervisor6 or something like that, right? You7 either have access to the accounts or you8 don't.9 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: I'm sorry.10 I don't really know all of the details11 about how the computer system works at12 Water Revenue.13
Or anywhere14 else.15 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Again, you16 know, it would be, when we were in the17 middle of an investigation, we would18 determine a problem, and that's when we19 would recommend a change.20
Well, I21 think it's a huge area of a lack of22 accountability and transparency that23 still exists that only modernizing our24 systems will allow.25 94 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 We've appropriated the money2 for that, and I'd certainly be anxious3 about your input, as we look forward to4 spending that money, to put in place5 systems that will make it clear who made6 a change to what account -- when, why --7 so that there is a true trail for8 supervisors and your office and the9 Controller's Office, et cetera.10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Right.11
So I hope12 that's something we can work on over the13 next year or so.14 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: I hope so15 too. And thank you for that suggestion.16 We will be working with the Department of17 Technology to do that.18
The19 Administration testified that there were20 1.5 and 3 percent budget reduction21 scenarios. Did your office prepare those22 scenarios?23 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Prepare it24 for this coming year?25 95 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
It their7 testimony that every department was asked8 to prepare a 1.5 and 3 percent budget9 reduction.10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We have11 not been asked to do that.12
Okay. For13 FY '11, $1,379,000 was appropriated for14 the IG's office, an amount that was15 reduced by $100,000 in its revisited16 Five-Year Plan submitted to PICA. The17 projected spend is $1,281,000.18 As of September 10th, the19 increment run noted, in the budget20 detail, that you had 14 staff. The21 detail indicates that you plan to add 422 new Investigator II positions in FY '12,23 bringing staff total to 18.24 I understand that department25 96 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 heads managed the -- managed to the2 dollars budget, not to position levels,3 but just wanted to hear from you about4 how you're going to be able to hire these5 positions with the same funding level as6 FY '11.7 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: In FY --8 last year, we had 19 positions, and this9 year, we have 18. We have had a lot of10 attrition, and we've kind of reorganized11 who we hired.12 We lost a supervisor and we13 replaced that supervisor with a regular14 investigator, which give us additional15 funding, plus some of the surplus to hire16 another investigator.17 On the whole, we just look at18 the dollar amount, but we do have one19 fewer position this year from last.20
Well, you21 had 14 people in December 2010.22 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: It was a23 very short time that we had 14 people.24
Okay.25 97 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: As I said,2 we had a lot of people come and go.3
So how many4 people do you have now?5 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Now we6 have 18.7
And so, you8 don't have money for new Investigator II9 positions --10 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: No, we11 don't.12
Okay. The16 detail indicates that you plan to add17 four new Investigator II positions.18 That's why I asked.19 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: What20 happened was, we used to have a position21 just called "Investigator." We divided22 that into Investigator I and Investigator23 II. We had some internal promotions, and24 then we hired some new investigators.25 98 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
Okay.2 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We do have3 four Investigator II positions at this4 time, and part of that was because of a5 reorganization.6
Okay. I may7 have missed contracts for investigators.8 Was that covered?9 Okay. In your testimony, you10 noted planning to increasing surveillance11 contracts from one to five, to increase12 minority participation.13 The detail shows that you had14 two contractors for FY '11, and you'll be15 using the same two contractors for FY16 '12. Is this just a typo in the detail?17 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: We have18 two investigative consultants; that is19 the retired FBI agent and the retired IRS20 agent.21 In addition to those two22 positions, which is -- that's our Class23 200 money -- we manage the surveillance24 contracts. And right now, we have one --25 99 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 I think we have two surveillance2 contractors now and we intend to increase3 that to five.4
And that's5 where you're going to increase your6 minority participation?7 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes.8
By focusing9 on trying to get qualified minorities to10 fill -- to perform those other four11 contracts?12 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: That's13 correct.14
Okay.15 Where is that in the budget, the16 surveillance contracts?17 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: The18 individual departments pay for19 surveillance when they request it.20 For example, we'll have an21 investigation and get to a certain point22 where we believe that we can't go any23 further unless there's surveillance.24 If that individual that we're25 100 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 investigating is in DHS, our Integrity2 Officer will ask the Commissioner if they3 would like to pay for surveillance. And4 then the individual department pays for5 it.6
Okay. Thank7 you very much for your testimony.8 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Thank you.9
Good12 afternoon.13 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Good14 afternoon.15
And thanks16 for you and your organization's good17 work.18 I just have a quick question19 just so I understand. There's a lot of20 different types at the IRS,21 investigators. Is this person a Criminal22 Division IRS, or is he just -- or not23 "just," but is he -- what specifically --24 when you say "retired IRS," boy, there's25 101 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 a whole range of folks.2 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes. He3 was a criminal investigator.4
The Criminal5 Division of the IRS?6 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Yes.7
Thank10 you.11 Any other questions from12 members of the committee?13 (No further questions.)14 Thank you very much.15 INSP. GEN. KURLAND: Thank you.16 MR. McPHERSON: Our next17 department is Mural Arts.18 (Witness comes forward.)19
Good20 morning, welcome. Identify yourself for21 the record and proceed with your22 testimony.23
Thank you. My24 name is Jane Golden, and I'm the25 102 3/28/11 COMM. 3 Good morning President Verna4 and members of City Council. 8 The Mural Arts Program's9 mission is to unite artists and10 communities through a collaborative11 process rooted in the traditions of12 mural-making to create art that13 transforms public spaces and individual14 lives. 18 Throughout 2010 and in 2011, we19 have been working diligently to implement20 elements of our five-year strategic plan,21 with the goal of claiming on our role on22 behalf of the City of Philadelphia as a23 national and international resource for24 mural-making and community-based public25 103 3/28/11 COMM. 2 The establishment of a new3 project management office has given us4 the capacity to streamline our programs5 and oversee all new projects to ensure6 that they remain aligned with established7 organization-wide goals. 23 We intend to achieve this by making24 considerable strides in the following25 104 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 areas:2 One, jobs and economic3 development. Mural Arts contributes to4 the creative economy of Philadelphia by5 employing more than 300 artists each6 year. 23 Working in conjunction with the24 Philadelphia Convention and Visitors25 105 3/28/11 COMM. 5 Citizens and delegates from6 cities all over the world visit us to7 view the work, often with an interest in8 replicating our programs of. 13 Education. In FY '10, our free14 art-education programs provided more than15 1,425 underserved Philadelphia youth at16 40 sites, with access to quality art17 education and youth-development18 experiences through mural-making. Our19 programs engage these young people at a20 critical out-of-school time through a21 variety of projects and programs that22 focus on presenting them not only with23 creative opportunities but also24 constructive alternatives to juvenile25 106 3/28/11 COMM. 2 Our three distinct programs3 are: Big Picture, which serves kids ages4 10 to 14; our Mural Core Program, which5 is our teen program serving young people6 ages 15 to 21; and Art Works, serving7 severely at-risk delinquent and truant8 youth. 24 Throughout 2010 our Mural Core25 107 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 students have been working with artists2 to transform Bodine High School for3 International Affairs. 14 In 2011, our Mural Core15 students at E-3 power centers are working16 to address the serious issue of housing17 and homelessness faced by many local18 youth through a project called "A Place19 to Call Home," combining photo20 elicitation, educational meetings,21 awareness-raising, and a large-scale22 collaborative work of public art. The23 project will publicize the unique housing24 challenges facing young urban youth while25 108 3/28/11 COMM. 5 Public safety. 12 During the three-year grant13 period, Mural Arts is providing critical14 job-skills training and temporary15 opportunities to 125 individuals who are16 recommended to the program by the court17 system. 23 In conjunction with the24 Philadelphia Prison System, our ongoing25 109 3/28/11 COMM. 12 In addition, through our13 ongoing partnership with IBM, we have had14 the distinct opportunity to facilitate15 the invaluable IBM Reading Companion16 Program within the Philadelphia Prison17 System through participants in our18 Restorative Justice Program. 23 Mural Arts also contributes to24 public safety through our previously25 110 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 mentioned art education and youth2 development programs; specifically, the3 Youth Study Center in St. 9 Healthy and sustainable10 communities. 20 In 2010, we created 169 murals,21 hosted hundreds of community meetings,22 held paint days throughout the City, and23 cleaned up lots. 25 111 3/28/11 COMM. 6 Our ongoing partnership with7 the Department of Behavioral Health and8 Intellectual Disability Services.
To9 help reduce the stigma around behavioral10 health issues through, through a series11 of meaningful and transformative mural12 projects and three North Philadelphia13 neighborhoods. 25 112 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 Innovation. Over the last few2 years, Mural Arts has been embracing3 innovation and considering what muralism4 means in the 21st century. 12 Among these projects, a very13 exciting one is "How Philadelphia Moves,"14 which will be at the Philadelphia15 International Airport. 22 At nearly 55,000 square feet,23 the mural will be the second-largest in24 the world. It is being created in25 113 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 partnership with the Department of2 Transportation and will be visible to3 traffic entering and leaving the airport4 as well as from 95. 7 In addition to this, in8 February of 2011, we launched the Albert9 M. 21 To continue our focus on22 innovation, we are also planning several23 major corridor projects at Germantown and24 Lehigh and Manayunk and along Chestnut25 114 3/28/11 COMM. 15 Funding needs and uses. The16 Mural Arts operates as a public/private17 partnership, with an annual operating18 budget of 7 million, one million of which19 comes from this allocation for which I am20 testifying today. This allocation from21 the City funds the salaries of 1222 employees, including my own; a great23 mural operations crew member, an24 executive assistant, a reception manager,25 115 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 and two staff muralists. 10 The Office of Economic11 Opportunity. The Mural Arts Program is12 committed to supporting the13 Administration's goal of 25 percent14 minority-, woman-, and disabled-owned15 business participation in City16 contracting. 19 I would like to thank the20 Office of Arts, Culture and the Creative21 Economy as well as the Managing22 Director's Office. After 27 years of23 Mural Arts, I am more certain than ever24 that art has the unique power to ignite25 116 3/28/11 COMM. 20
And21 we thank you.22 On of your testimony,23 you mentioned that you were requesting24 $562,614 in the Grants Revenue for Fiscal25 117 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 2012. The funding source for this grant2 appears to be federal ARRA funds. Isn't3 this the last year for these grants?4
We are in the5 last -- we have a year-and-a-half left6 with that one grant. So I think we7 are -- I mean, we're in the final stretch8 of it, yes.9 But I thought -- I can get back10 to you. I can check on that. I thought11 there was a year-and-a-half left.12
I'm13 just curious. Does the proposed14 Five-Year Plan increase your General Fund15 budget for Fiscal 2013?16
It's a great24 question.25 118 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
Thank you,4 Madam President.5 Following up on the Council6 President's question, your Class 2007 request is $514,000.8
Your Class10 200 request is for $514,000. What is11 that money for?12
That is going for13 projects -- mostly projects, some staff.14 But that's -- and some art education.15 It's a variety.16 It's divided up. One part of17 the City request is for salaries, the18 City employees, the 12. The other part19 goes for -- it's a combination of20 large-scale projects, some art education,21 and some staff.22 And I can get you a detail of23 that if you'd like.24
And is any25 119 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 of that money contracted out?2
Okay. Thank4 you.5 Thank you, Madam President.6 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:7 You're welcome.8 The Chair recognizes Councilman9 Kenney.10
Thank you,11 Madam President.12 I don't have a question but I13 do have a comment.14 I would venture to argue that15 your organization, your private/public16 partnership, probably maximizes more than17 any other entity in the City the best use18 of tax dollars.19 If you look at what you get20 from us and what you generate, if you21 look at every single action that you guys22 do, it has some effect in multiple23 departments and multiple issues, whether24 it's neighborhood improvement, economic25 120 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 development, ex-offender and current2 people incarcerated, mental health,3 children and youth, public safety,4 international and national tourism,5 'cause we have people coming from all6 over the place.7 It's just an amazing set of8 circumstance and actions that you9 accomplish every single year. And I just10 want to commend you and your people.11 I've been on the Mural Arts12 board now for about a year or so, and13 I've seen even closer -- closeup the work14 that you are able to accomplish. And it15 is amazing with what we're give you and16 what you generate the work that you turn17 out and the reputation that the City has18 internationally -- I mean, we have19 muralists from Paris coming to20 Philadelphia to see how you do that.21 And then not only that, as time22 has gone on, we've come from just the23 kind of flat painted murals to much24 different types and techniques, different25 121 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 types of materials, the use of light, the2 use of computers. I mean, it's just --3 it seems like the possibilities are4 endless.5 So you "thank you, thank you,6 thank you" to us, but thank you to you7 and your folks because it's just a8 tremendous thing. I'm so proud to be a9 part of it and so proud to watch what you10 do and how you change people's lives and11 people's neighborhoods. It's wonderful.12
Well, thank you13 very much, thank you. It's a labor of14 love.15
The16 Chair recognizes Councilwoman Blackwell.17
Thank18 you, Madam President.19 I certainly agree with20 everything my colleague has said. You21 know, Jane Golden always says, "Art22 changes lives," but we know why. She's23 saved so many kids in trouble, so many24 people, homelessness, people in trouble,25 122 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 adults and youth alike, employees,2 inmates, and kids who have problems, and3 has as, we heard, an age group for4 everybody in our society is.5 I know why she says that art6 saves lives: because she's made it save7 lives in her approach.8 And what's ironic to me is that9 she raises more. What she asks for is10 such a small pittance compared to all of11 the money she raises. And I am proud to12 support her, her request for this raise.13 And I would like to ask her,14 and I hope that Clay Armbrister is15 listening, because we want to ask again16 about the Tiberino Museum. I'm going to17 ask about this until we get an answer.18 And we want to be able to fund it, their19 program.20 And, Miss Golden, if there is a21 way for them to fund -- to put funds in22 your area, would you believe to work with23 Mr. Tiberino to make this project a24 reality?25 123 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81
Oh, absolutely.2 And I have conferred with the Chief3 Cultural Officer, Gary Sawyer, and I know4 that he's open to working with us; it5 would be a nice team effort.6 And we really -- Mr. Tiberino7 has -- you know, he's an institution in8 the City, and I think that we're all in9 agreement that we would like to support10 and help him however possible.11 The idea is a good one, and we12 just have to figure out a way to do it so13 that it's fiscally possible.14
Rebecca Rhyhart,17 Budget Director.18 Just to add that, following up19 on our conversation, the answer to part20 of the testimony in the Five-Year Plan,21 that that is something that we're talking22 about, and we'll get back to you. We23 know that it's important to you.24 COUNCILWOMAN BLACKWELL:25 124 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 Absolutely. Thank you.2 Thank you, Madam President.3
Any10 more questions from members of the11 committee?12 (No further questions.)13
Could I correct14 the record from the IG's testimony if we15 have just a moment?16 I just wanted to say that all17 departments were asked to do 1.5 and 318 percent cuts, and they did provide 1.519 and 3 percent cuts.20
Thank21 you.22 Very good, we're right on23 schedule.24 The committee will stand in25 125 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 recess until 1 o'clock.2 (Lunch break taken.)3 (Proceedings resume.)4
Okay.5 This is a continued public hearing of the6 Committee of the Whole.7 Mr. McPherson?8 MR. McPHERSON: Our next9 department is the Mayor's Office of10 Community Services.11 (Witness comes forward.)12
Time19 goes by when your having fun.20 Please identify yourself for21 the record and proceed with your22 testimony.23
25 126 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 Good afternoon, Council2 President Verna and members of City3 Council. I am Otis Bullock, Executive4 Director of the Mayor's Office of5 Community Services. 8 The Mayor's Office of Community9 Services requests an FY 201210 appropriation of $9,006,887, all deriving11 from grant funding. The Mayor's Office12 of Community Services is the community13 action agency for the City of14 Philadelphia. 18 It is important to note that19 our CSBG funding may be impacted by20 conversations currently happening in21 Congress. MOCS major grant requires that22 the agency provide service to low-income23 individuals and families that live at or24 below 125 percent of the federal25 127 3/28/11 COMM. 18 MOCS has a staff of 72, ten of19 whom are bilingual. Our Community20 Engagement Unit staff is deployed to21 targeted high-crime, low-income22 neighborhoods to facilitate and support23 the wide range of activities related to24 mayoral initiatives which are designed to25 128 3/28/11 COMM. 13 The CEU staff also provides14 residents with the necessary referrals to15 emergency services and/or linkages to16 meet their needs. 22 This is accomplished by23 developing formal and informal24 partnerships with community-based25 129 3/28/11 COMM. 22 FEP will help low-income,23 noncustodial fathers and their children:24 advance out of poverty by providing25 130 3/28/11 COMM. 6 Our Foster Grandparents Program7 (FGP) is charged with meeting critical8 community needs for two of our most9 vulnerable populations: senior citizens10 and special-needs children. 18 Over 130 foster grandparents19 volunteer, representing the diversity of20 Philadelphia's neighborhoods. 24 Our WorkWise program, a25 131 3/28/11 COMM. 18 Work Ready targets TANF19 recipients in danger of losing their20 benefits. 25 132 3/28/11 COMM. 5 The Mayor's Office of Community6 Services is committed to supporting the7 Administration's goal of 25 percent8 minority-, women-, and disabled-owned9 business participation in City10 contracting. 19 We subcontract with the Office20 of Supportive Housing. 23 We contract with the Department24 of Heath's lead-abatement program. And25 133 3/28/11 COMM. 4 We also subcontract with the5 Department of Recreation. 22 So if any Councilmembers wish23 to engage in further discussion on any of24 these matters, my staff and I are happy25 134 3/28/11 COMM. 4
Thank5 you.6 You mention on of your7 testimony that your agency provides8 services to low-income individuals and9 families that live at or below 12510 percent --11
-- of13 the federal poverty level. Can you state14 for the record what those income levels15 are?16
Yes. For a17 family of four, those levels are at18 $27,938 or less. A family of one is19 about $13,613. There's actually a20 federal chart that outlines --21
There's actually24 a federal chart that outlines all of25 135 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 these guidelines.2 But for a family of four, about3 $27,934.4
Thank5 you.6 You mention also on of7 your testimony that your CSBG funding may8 be ended by actions taken at the federal9 level. What programs and services do you10 see that might be impacted?11
You know, at this12 moment, it's hard to say. Right now,13 we're trying to plan for, you know,14 what's a moving target.15 We know that the -- in16 Congress, the President had put a17 proposal, you know, on the table to cut18 CSBG by 50 percent and possibly make it a19 competitive grant. Right now, that's20 been, you know, debated and fought over21 in Congress.22 So we really don't know what's23 going to happen at the end of these24 negotiations in Congress. It's still25 136 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 there. We we're planning for a moving2 target right now.3
And4 you say it's being said that it may be5 cut by 50 percent?6
I9 know that MOCS used to have an office at10 South Broad Street, at Reed.11
Have20 they relocated anywhere in South21 Philadelphia?22
Is it24 throughout the City, or are we just in25 137 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 certain sections of the City?2
It pretty much3 happened throughout the City a number of4 years ago, and this was in the previous5 administration.6 There once was, you know,7 twelve branch offices that MOCS held8 throughout the City. We no longer hold9 twelve. Right now we have two: one at10 Sixth and Lehigh and another at 22nd and11 Sommerset.12
So13 how many clients can you serve with two14 offices being open?15
Well, not as many16 as we could with twelve.17 COUNCIL PRESIDENT VERNA:18 That's obvious.19
But our total20 count for last year is roughly 34,00021 clients that we served. And from my22 understanding, these offices were closed23 because of, you know, lack of funding.24
Okay.25 138 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 I just have a couple of other questions.2 Okay, you say over 130 foster3 grandparents volunteer. Now, can you4 explain all of that to me, about the5 foster program? I thought that came6 under DHS. Tell me how this differs from7 what happens with DHS.8
Actually, this9 foster grandparents grant is a separate10 grant, separate from CSBG, separate from11 DHS. It's actually a national program12 through the National Office of Community13 Services.14 And basically what the program15 does is, you know, we take 130, you know,16 senior volunteers. We provide them with17 a stipend. And they provide, you know,18 services and help to at-risk children who19 are either, you know, in school or20 daycare special-needs kids. And some of21 these children are even in our hospital22 beds. And the really, you know, help23 these kids on it.24 We service over 6,000 kids per25 139 3/28/11 COMM. OF THE WHOLE - 110135,6,7,81 year through the use of these 1302 volunteers.3
They receive a6 very small stipend. I can get you the7 exact amount at a later date.8