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Committee Hearing, April 10, 2012

Philadelphia City Council Committee HearingsApr 10, 2012

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COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE Room 400, City Hall Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:16 a.m. PRESENT: COUNCIL PRESIDENT DARRELL L. CLARKE COUNCILMAN CURTIS JONES, JR. COUNCILWOMAN BLONDELL REYNOLDS-BROWN COUNCILMAN BILL GREEN COUNCILWOMAN CINDY BASS COUNCILMAN KENYATTA JOHNSON COUNCILMAN DENNIS O'BRIEN COUNCILMAN BOBBY HENON COUNCILMAN W. WILSON GOODE, JR. COUNCILMAN MARK SQUILLA COUNCILWOMAN MARIA D. QUINONES-SANCHEZ COUNCILMAN DAVID OH COUNCILMAN JAMES KENNEY COUNCILMAN WILLIAM K. GREENLEE 2 NO. 120164- An Ordinance to adopt a Capital Program for the six Fiscal Years 2013-2018 inclusive. NO. 120165- An Ordinance to adopt a Fiscal 2013 Capital Budget. NO. 120166- An Ordinance adopting the Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2013. NO. 120167- Resolution providing for the approval by the Council of the City of Philadelphia of a Revised Five Year Financial Plan for the City of Philadelphia covering Fiscal Years 2013 through 2017, and incorporating proposed changes with respect to Fiscal Year 2012, which is to be submitted by the Mayor to the Pennsylvania Intergovernmental Cooperation Authority (the "Authority") pursuant to the Intergovernmental Cooperation Agreement, authorized by an ordinance of this Council approved by the Mayor on January 3, 1992 (Bill No. 1563-A), by and between the City and the Authority. 3

Councilman Jones

Good morning. This is a continuation of the Public Hearings on the Committee of the Whole regarding bills No. 120164, 12165, 12166, and resolution No. 5 12167. Good morning, and the first Department to -- I would like to ask Ms. Lewis to please read the titles of the bills and resolutions.

Ms. Lewis

Bill No. 120164, an Ordinance to adopt a Capital Program for the six Fiscal Years, 2013 to 2018 inclusive. Bill No. 120165, an Ordinance to adopt a Fiscal 2013 Capital Budget. Bill No. 120166, an Ordinance adopting the Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2013. Bill No. 120167, Resolution providing for the approval by the Council of the City of Philadelphia of a Revised Five-Year Financial Plan for the City of Philadelphia covering Fiscal Years 2013 through 2017, and incorporating proposed changes with respect to Fiscal Years 2012, which is to be submitted by the Mayor to the Pennsylvania Intergovernmental Cooperation Authority, (the 4 "Authority"), pursuant to the Intergovernmental Cooperation agreement, authorized by an ordinance of this Council approved by the Mayor on January 3, 1992. (Bill No. 1563-A), by and between the City and the Authority.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Ms. Lewis. The first department today will be the City Representatives Office. Will they please approach the desks and we can begin our ambitious agenda for today. Good morning.

Ms. Johnson

Good morning.

Ms. Hughes

Good morning.

Councilman Jones

Please state your full name for the record and begin your testimony.

Ms. Johnson

Good morning Councilman Jones and Ms. Lewis. My name is Melanie Johnson and I'm the City representative for the City of Philadelphia. With me is Deputy City Representative Margaret Hughes. I am here today to present testimony on behalf of the office of the City Representatives FY13 5 Operating Budget. Request of $889,611, which provides no changes over our FY11 (sic) estimated obligations. The OCRs of Marketing Public Relations and branding arm for the City events are developed and promoted to attract customers, visitors, and new residents to Philadelphia, and enhance the quality of life. We work with a number of different organizations in the City, including PCVB, GPTMC, CCD, IVC and HPI to promote Philadelphia. Over the last Fiscal Year, we have had a number of great events that have really promoted the City, including Wawa Welcome America, which attracted -- Well, according to the Temple University study, Industry Research Center, the economic impact of Welcome America for FY12 was $65 million dollars with about 3,000 hotel room nights and about expenditures of $347 per person. The Philadelphia Marathon weekend, which takes place every year, its 18th year have economic impact of more than $20 million dollars. 5,000 hotel room nights, and the 6 new one that is coming up this year, the weekend of the 16th through the 18th of November, we also had our second year of the Philadelphia Collection, and it was extremely successful. We received a lot of national attention on that event. The OCR Budget Appropriations request of $889,611 represents zero increase over FY12. The breakdown is $338,000 Class 100. $506,000 plus Class 200. $45,000 in Class 300/400. The OCR is committed to supporting the administration goal of percent minority 13 woman, and disabled-owned businesses, 14 participation in City contracting. It has 15 exceeded the 25 percent goal with a 16 participation rate of 65 percent. A 28 17 percent increase over FY11. 43 percent of 18 that total is with the woman owned 19 businesses. 20 The OCR serves as a managing conduit 21 for a number of stakeholder entities that 22 engage in cultural City-related marketing and 23 development activities, including the Greater 24 Philadelphia Film Office, and Historic 7 Philadelphia. The stakeholders and the OCRs produced Wawa Welcome America!, as I said earlier, Philadelphia Marathon, and we participate in the M/W/DSBE goal through budgets that are not reflected in the General Fund. Thank you for the opportunity to testify. If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them.

Councilman Jones

I take it you abbreviated?

Ms. Johnson

I did.

Councilman Jones

I am looking through --

Ms. Johnson

Considerably.

Councilman Jones

-- through this written testimony, which happens to be like seven, eight pages. It wasn't seven, eight pages worth of testimony, but we appreciate that in light of our agenda. Couple of questions before I open up to my colleagues. These various events; Wawa Welcome America!, and some of the newer ones that you have established. I know you have 8 done a great job working in my particular district dealing with the bike race and others. Have we quantified what these events are worth? Not in the sense of what is spent, but, how do you then negotiate with sponsors that may want to participate, or is that your responsibility?

Ms. Johnson

For the events that I do for the City, yes. We try and work with an organization. In this instance it was Temple University. Last year was the first year since we have been here that we were able to do a research study on Welcome America! We are doing a partnership with Temple to do that again. We have done it for the last four years for the marathon. When it's an event that the City supports, but does not produce, we talk with the organizers and producers to see whether or not they will do a partnership or pay for that study. But it's a very expensive study, depending on how the event is. So, some of these organizations haven't had one in quite a few years. 9

Councilman Jones

On the Parkway, what was the largest event by way of population that we have had?

Ms. Johnson

Welcome America.

Councilman Jones

How many people in the course of the day?

Ms. Johnson

In the course of the day, about a million people.

Councilman Jones

So, is there a quantifiable marketing piece that says this is what one million consumers are worth?

Ms. Johnson

Yes. We do have that from 2011.

Councilman Jones

What -- So, if I am BK Tires and I say, look, I want to participate. How do you price point what kinds of sponsorship levels? There is no 18 right or wrong answer at this point. I just want to see where we are with that kind of analysis and see where we are gonna go with it.

Ms. Johnson

Well, we look at the overall event and what we are selling. For that particular event, we have a huge 10 footprint. So, we can talk to individual sponsors and say to them, depending on what we are offering. For Welcome America!, its televised. So, we work with our partner, our TV partner, to say, we need a certain number of ads for our sponsors. Our big sponsor is Wawa. So, with Wawa, they get the benefit of having a huge promotional piece attached to their name. We also look for the demographics. What is their marketing goal for that year, so that we can say to them, okay, this is what we can offer you. This is our demographics. We have a family of four who makes $80,000 plus. Educated --

Councilman Jones

That is a profile of the participants?

Ms. Johnson

Yes. Our demographics give them that. So, we try and make sure that our goals -- but, some of them just want to get into a crowd, depending on what the sponsor is, and who it is. For Wawa Welcome America! because we have such a large footprint, not only at the Parkway, but at 11 Penns Landing. We can offer the space and the people come. We get about 200,000 throughout three days for Taste of Philadelphia. So, we have a large number. We have the people that the sponsors want to come and present their products to or do samples.

Councilman Jones

So, my question is, what is the price? If an event costs -- We kind of are beginning to put our arms around the costs of an event, meaning the logistics of the police, the disruption of traffic maybe, and you know, I always hear from the museums as to what it costs to shut down the Parkway. So, at some point, we'll say the costs are X and, therefore, the sponsorship has to be Y. Have we done that yet? Have we said, here's what we are paying, here is what we need from you in order to do this?

Ms. Johnson

Yes, if you are talking about events that are not produced by the City, because that would be the City service costs. 12

Councilman Jones

Okay.

Councilman Jones

So then, there is a equal. We are not trying to make money, but there is an equal amount charged to the vendor and, therefore, any sponsors that participate know, all right, so this is what your price point is. Example, if we close down the Parkway and we do those big Jumbo Trons and in between the X that we have. Then, if I am BK Tires and I get a little banner -- I am not opening up a tire company. But, if I am BK Tires, I should be able to spend $500 a ten second blip. It would be helpful if we broke it down to that kind of price point because there are people that would pay that to the City for -- to be exposed to one million people.

Ms. Johnson

It is really the impressions on the Jumbo Trons. When we are selling space on the Parkway during Wawa Welcome America or even during the marathon, it is different. It really depends on the event. With Wawa, we have Jumbo Trons. So, 13 we can say to someone who is giving us $15,000, in your price point that will give you two impressions on the Jumbo Tron that you can promote your product, and that is a million impressions because we have a million people who come throughout that day. So, does that answer your question? Each event is really individual and while the City service costs, if we are not producing that event, the only thing that the producer is charged for are City services, but they have to find the money to put their event on themself.

Councilman Jones

So, you don't get involved in the detail of that particular BK Tires?

Ms. Johnson

It really depends on the event. But, no, only if we are producing that. We have offered assistance in the past, marketing assistance.

Councilman Jones

All right, I will shift gears and then -- I see one of the lights is lit up, but how do you encourage the prosperity of an event on the Parkway to 14 be shared with the ten districts in the City of Philadelphia? So, if we are having an event in Center City, how do we encourage tourists to come out to the various venues in the neighborhoods?

Ms. Johnson

Well, again, it depends on the event. With Wawa Welcome America, we do a lot of different activities. Go Forth And Learn, Philly at the Movies, in the neighborhood surrounding Philadelphia. So that we have partnerships, and then of course everyone is invited to come to -- everyone is invited to come to the 4th of July celebration or any celebration that we have, which is centered right here in Center City. We also do partnerships with a number of different organizations. Last year for Wawa Welcome America, we worked with the Uptown Theater for an event that they were doing. So, we try and reach out to the different organizations to allow them to be apart of what we are doing, whether it is a venue or they're a partner and they bring their stuff to the Parkway for the 4th of 15 July.

Councilman Jones

So, if you could provide to The Chair, and I will distribute to the various members of Council, what I would like to see is, if we have having something in Center City, what can the connectivity be to, for example, the 8th District, Chestnut Hill area, restaurateur. In my case, we have a philosophy that if you are in town and you are a doctor and you are at the Marriott Hotel, if you come out outside and you go left, you have adult entertainment. You have things that are casinos and other more mature activities. But, if you turn right and start heading up the Parkway, you can go to the museums. You can further go to the Zoo. You can then go to Please Touch, you can go to the Mann Music Center, and one of the ways that you promote that is the Flash bus, and I understand they are negotiating -- they had some financial challenges. How are we working that negotiations out?

Ms. Johnson

I believe the City is 16 working to find the hole in the budget in order for Flash to continue for another fiscal year.

Councilman Jones

Those are the ways that we promote neighborhoods.

Ms. Johnson

Mm-hmm.

Councilman Jones

Whether it is in the 3rd District or the Zoo or in the 4th District of Please Touch, that is how family visitors get to go out there. We have the Japanese House Horticultures. All of that row depends on that Flash, and I'd like to see a list of ways that we hit Germantown Avenue, hit Passyunk Avenue in South Philly, to try to encourage people to go beyond Center City to enjoy the taste and sounds and sites of Philadelphia. So, if you can provide us a list of how you intend to specifically do that, I would appreciate it. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Kenny.

Councilman Kenney

Mr. Chairman, I know we have been through the history of this 17 administration. We have been going around and around with all these events and their costs and their value and all that stuff. Have we looked at other cities and what price Chicago does. For example, is everyone charged if they are doing an event? The other issue is, is there a way to analyze or at least attempt to analyze the additional benefits of an event for the City's revenues? So, as opposed to analyzing it simply on the cost of police overtime, recreation, sanitation, is there a way to figure out what the return on the investment is if it fills hotel rooms, if it fills restaurants, if it does various things. Because, I think a lot of times, and rightfully so, I am not being critical at all, I think we have to look at the costs of our City services and what -- Do we ever do a return on investment kind of analysis to see if in fact there is a return or to debunk what some groups say is a return? I mean, would some analysis -- we have GPTMC, PCVB and all those organizations 18 those two organizations that are wonderful in figuring out the benefits of an art exhibit or parade or something? St. Patrick's Day, for example. People don't come in and probably stay overnight unless they're out-of-towners who are performing in the parade. I doubt, it is a more regional approach, but when you look at, you can't get into a restaurant or a bar in Center City on that day of that parade. What is our liquor by the drink return investment? What is our wage tax return on investment? All that seems not to be part of the analysis, or is it?

Ms. Johnson

Yes, to all of your questions, except for St. Patrick's Day. Yes, we have looked at other cities and in the economy that we have had for the last four years, almost every City, including Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, are charging for events. In terms of, is there any analysis for some of the events? We recently did one for Wawa Welcome America and we hope to do one 19 again and those are the things that you mentioned that we do ask for analysis of, for instance, the economic impact, which I think you are talking about for Wawa Welcome America is a little more than $65 million dollars with a ten-day period. For Philadelphia Marathon, it's a little over $20 million. 5,000 hotel room nights, ec cetra. For events that the City does not produce, we do not have that information.

Councilman Kenny

Do you think it would be worthwhile from the City's perspective, making an argument that people should pay or from the City's perspective that we didn't realize it had this economic impact for us that we could find a way to either defray costs or defer costs. Mummers parade for example. We always have this ongoing argument every year. People come in, they stay in a hotel. Do they? I don't know.

Ms. Johnson

They did at one point. I don't think they have had analysis for the last four years.

Councilman Kenny

No, I'm saying an 20 independent analysis or not or done by the City or GPT, I would trust GPTMC to do that.

Ms. Johnson

There has been discussion about trying to do that for some of the larger events. It has not been done as of yet.

Councilman Kenny

Same thing for St. Patrick's Day. You can't move in town when that parade is on and anytime you get great weather, it is even bigger. So, I just think -- I also think sometimes that people who are native Philadelphians or regional natives, they're offended by being asked to pay because they feel like it's the one thing a year that they get or they've had that is now being a bill being given to them. Again, I am not -- I understand your side of it. I am not being critical. I am just saying it is hard to translate that to folks who, you know, get that one day a year on the Parkway and then get a bill. So, I really would like to drill down deeper into trying to determine what the economic return is and hopefully we can do that going 21 forward.

Ms. Johnson

I will certainly speak to the Mayor about it during the analysis.

Councilman Kenny

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilman. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning.

Ms. Johnson

Good morning.

Councilman Henon

Thank you for being here. You know I certainly recognize, you know, the good work that the department and how they especially handle the high profile events and recognition for the City --

Ms. Johnson

Thank you.

Councilman Henon

-- in promoting, in some cases receiving national exposure. I think Councilman Kenney is absolutely correct. You know, having an analysis, impact study on the amount of revenue that you can actually, you know, tie into a 22 specific event or at least percentage wise for like events or smaller events is extremely important as we, you know, try to manage our cost analysis to what the City spends, you know, on resources and services that is supporting the events. You know, in your testimony, you had on , you had mentioned one of the paragraphs here, supporting program development and strengthening strategic marketing plans. What types of programs would you be developing? On , third paragraph from the bottom.

Ms. Johnson

Well, we do partnerships with a number of different organization. Without the partnership of the Center City district, we would have never been able to do the Philadelphia Collection. Without the partnership of GPTMC, PCVB, and a number of others organizations, including the Philadelphia Museum of Art. The With Art Philadelphia program, which is being launched, will not happen. So, those kinds of partnerships allow 23 us to take an event to really target Philadelphia for either art or for athletes to show our running past throughout Philadelphia, which the Philadelphia marathon does. Partnering with Parks and Recreation. Any number of organizations. Without the partnerships of the hospitality and tourism industry, a lot of the things we do could not happen. So, that's really what I am talking about when I say strengthening.

Councilman Henon

At the same time, you mention increase and impact of the various City's departmental initiatives. Is that sort of collaboration similar?

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely.

Councilman Henon

What are some of the examples on departmental initiatives?

Ms. Johnson

The Mayor's office is sustainability. We worked with them last year to make our Philadelphia marathon more sustainable. We did composting for the first time and will do so again. We actually created this organization with the office of the Mayor's Civic Engagement Office, what we 24 call Waste Busters.

Ms. Hughes

Waste Watchers.

Ms. Johnson

Waste Watchers? Well, either one is okay, but they, basically, sorted through the trash. They were volunteers so that we could take that trash and turn it into compost. We also have done partnerships with the Mayor's office of Education on their graduation; caps and gowns on the steps of the Art Museum where the college students tossed their caps, which is the name of the event, we are working with them on something else that will happen this year for high school students. Parks and Rec are also one of our big partners that we work with.

Councilman Henon

So, in addition, we have, and I think everybody should be exited about the Barnes Museum. Is there an aggressive campaign, you know, that we can -- that we are gonna publicly address and promote for the most prestigious art collection in one location in the world?

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely. That is the With Art Philadelphia program that we are working with GPTMC, PCVB. I can go through all these alphabets. But, basically, it's all the art organizations. Not just the ones on the Parkway where we are launching a million dollar campaign with money that was raised from all the organizations to position Philadelphia as a place with art. So that we highlight every kind of art with the Penn Museum, Philadelphia Museum of Art, the African-American Museum. Everybody gets a chance to be apart of this big launch because Barnes is opening on the Parkway and we are taking advantage of that and the fact that Traveling Leisure made Philadelphia, No. 1, in culture and arts to really push our position.

Councilman Henon

Would that be private dollars raised, or --

Ms. Johnson

No, it is --

Councilman Henon

-- money received from, you know, subsidies that the City --

Ms. Johnson

The City is part -- The money is from the different organizations that are participating in this event. Well, not the event, but this piece.

Councilman Henon

The rate of return on dollars, I think, goes to, you know, Councilman Kenney's suggestion on the rate of return back to the City for his resources when you are taking a look at something like that, some sort of impact study financially on our rate of return for dollars spent, dollar received. Again, I think it will go a long way in promoting the City as a world destination.

Ms. Johnson

Yes, and the With Art Philadelphia program, I think we will be able to figure out people coming in for that year. But it's a two-year program. So, yes, and, you know, your point about the analysis for the different events is well heard.

Councilman Henon

Okay. I have no 20 further questions at this time.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilman Henon. Chair recognizes Councilman Oh.

Councilman Oh

Thank you very much, 27 Chairman. Could you explain how your office is setup in relation to other governmental entities? Is this a stand-alone independent office or is it part of another department?

Ms. Johnson

As of 2009, it's a stand-alone department.

Councilman Oh

In terms of its strategic goals, how do you set out to arrive at your strategic goals, and what are they for the next two or three years?

Ms. Johnson

To contain and promote the City of Philadelphia through partnerships, events, marketing, branding for the City.

Councilman Oh

Any particular demographics that you are trying to reach or to attract?

Ms. Johnson

Well, we work with a number of different organizations for the tourism industry. So, the Mayor recently started the Hospitality Advisory Board to talk about some of things, not just in the City, like homeless, but how to attract more 28 people. So, a large number of the organizations that I talked about earlier are part of that Advisory Board.

Councilman Oh

Okay. Would you then describe your office as an entity that supports the efforts of other private and nonprofit sector initiatives, or as an organization that fills in or leads in creating events where some may be lacking?

Ms. Johnson

We actually do both, Councilman. We create a number of different events. We have created the Philadelphia Collection. We work with a number of different organizations to support what they are doing and they also support us. We are creating -- we also try and make sure that we are within the guidelines for the Mayor's initiatives. His fight against obesity. We are going a Mayor's 5k run/walk this year. We are looking to promote Philadelphia's industry in terms of good health, nutrition with Philadelphia Home Grown program that we are trying to work with 29 GPTMC to launch this year as well. So, we create a number of different events and have for the past four years and plan on continuing to do that. But, we also offer support, not only internally, but externally.

Councilman Oh

Do you believe that the efforts that you make are returning to Philadelphia far greater dollars than are spent?

Ms. Johnson

Well, I can use the Philadelphia Marathon to show the example of that. When we first came here in 2008, there were 14,000 runners in the Philadelphia Marathon. As of last year, 2011, there were 27,000 runners and we are one of the few marathons that is still growing for the full and not just the half. Throughout the country, almost every marathon has dropped in numbers, but the half has increased. Not the Philadelphia Marathon. We are still getting at least 1,000 people per year for that marathon and it is about 20,000 -- $20 million dollars economic impact and we have an agreement with almost every hotel during 30 that time and we use about 5,000 rooms nights. So, I will say that, yes, the effort that we put out is very good on the return.

Councilman Oh

Is there more that you can could be doing?

Ms. Johnson

You know, I am struggling how to answer that question because I think we are doing more. We are adding two new events this year and we have a very small staff. So, we are already kind of overwhelmed, but we keep pushing because the Mayor inspires us to do what we need to do to make sure that we are offering something to the citizens of Philadelphia and also attracting tourism.

Councilman Oh

Do you think you need a bigger staff?

Ms. Johnson

I could always use a bigger staff. I think every department in the City could say that.

Councilman Oh

Is your office kind of the central point of all these different entities; hospitality, arts, in terms of promotion, gaining international tourists, 31 things like that?

Ms. Johnson

Yes, I would say that. I sit on most of the boards of the hospitality organizations in the City or work with them in partnership one way or the other, and we, IVC, International Visitors Center, that is run by Nancy Gilboy, we have worked with her on the sister City's program and an ambassador program that we started two years ago that's really given us more than what we ever put out, and also Commerce is working with us on that as well.

Councilman Oh

How do you interface with Commerce? Does the Commerce Department have its own promotion and whatnot? Is there duplication or is there something that is unique to what you are doing?

Ms. Johnson

It depends on what the event is or what we are doing. For the Ambassador Program, we work on -- I don't think there is duplication. They work with us on the Philadelphia Collection and the Philadelphia Fash Incubator at Macy's. So, there are a number of things we work with on 32 them. The office of the City Representative was a part of commerce for so long we are still, in the past four years, since it became independent. We are still figuring out how to work together, but because that history is there, it is good.

Councilman Oh

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Sure. Thanks. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Good morning.

Ms. Johnson

Good morning.

Councilman Johnson

How are you doing today, Ms. Johnson; pretty good?

Ms. Johnson

I am doing well, thank you.

Councilman Johnson

I want to start off by commending you on the work that you have been doing.

Ms. Johnson

Thank you.

Councilman Johnson

Just a couple statements or a couple things to take into consideration as you move forward. 33 Obviously, your particular position is a very important position as it relates to the City of Philadelphia as we stick out our claim along the east coast. Particularly Philadelphia being in between DC and New York, it is quite obvious that we have to promote aggressively our City as a destination City. So, I do commend you on your past efforts and just wanted to point out a couple things from a supportive standpoint on how some things, I think, could enhance your particular department. I think as we struggle with the issue of revenue for our City, you are in a key position because travel and tourism are one of the main ways we can always bring in additional revenue. People come for the various events that you organize, they stay, they spend their money, they stay in the hotels, they eat at our restaurants, and our establishments. One thing I would like for the City Representatives Office to pay attention to is also a plan regarding the recruitment of 34 young professionals who attend our major universities as well as some of our local two-year college universities whether it be Pierce or whether it be Community College, but more importantly on another level, individuals who attend University of Pennsylvania, La Salle, Temple, who decides to not stay in Philadelphia when they graduate, when they receive their degrees. So, if you can just take into consideration as y'all plan, as y'all move forward, not only throughout this administration, but a long term plan beyond this administration to recruit and also maintain some of the young professionals who received professional and graduate degrees from our local universities. If you are already working on some of those issues, can you elaborate?

Ms. Johnson

Certainly, Councilman. We actually have a really robust internship program where we work with our large number of universities. We get a lot of Temple students and actually last year we hired one 35 of those Temple students who had been an intern since 2008 for Wawa Welcome America, and she was a volunteer in my office for almost the entire four years. So, she's turned out very well. We also just talked with someone from Fox Business School, they want some of their graduate students to work with us and they worked very closely with us during Wawa Welcome America to provide us with students and internships. We have had students from LaSalle, from Villanova, and from University of Penn throughout the time that I have been there and we couldn't do what we do without the help of these students. So, they come through during different times and we have them working on public relations and the different events.

Councilman Johnson

Good.

Ms. Johnson

We also work very closely with Campus Philly. They are actually bringing back their -- what do they call it? It is their fair that is on the Parkway and 36 their, as you know, goal is to retain those students here in the City. That is another thing we work with Commerce on.

Councilman Johnson

That is good. Also, just want to commend you on the partnerships with the other various City agencies that you work in conjunction with, whether it's the Department of Commerce or the various other agencies, such as Greater Philadelphia Tourism and Marketing Corporation, Philadelphia Convention of Visitors Bureau, Philadelphia International Visitors Council as well. I think, because as a lot of times you see City agencies working independent. So, there is no communication or no synergy amongst the various agencies that all have the same goal and mission. So, again, I just wanted to commend you, but I am a real advocate for making sure that when individuals receive those graduate degrees, I think if we have a concrete as Mr. Majority leader has shown me thus far on coming in as a member of Council. 37 Is there an actual plan? Like, what is our plan to retain college graduates in the City of Philadelphia and so something like that can be explored, my office is more than willing to be supportive of that process. So, we can do away with the reputation of sometimes being viewed as having a brain drain --

Councilman Johnson

-- in the City of Philadelphia, recruiting our best talent and keeping our best talent. So, from a supportive standpoint, if I can be supportive of that type initiative, I offer myself. More importantly, I do believe as we move forward as a City, we need to have a plan to keep our best and brightest in the City of Philadelphia, but Melanie, keep up the good work.

Ms. Johnson

Thank you so much, Councilman.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilman. The Chair now recognizes Councilwoman Brown. 38

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you. Good morning.

Ms. Johnson

Good morning.

Councilwoman Brown

I will start with this, what I call a big picture question. Revenue aside, if you have to look into a crystal ball and wanted to create a new initiative of the office, what would it be?

Ms. Johnson

The Philadelphia Home Grown, because it takes into consideration not only promoting the produce, but -- let me start from the beginning. GPTMC kicked off Philadelphia Home Grown -- Is walt here? Two years ago. It's a campaign that has promotion with it, but one of the things that she and I have talked about is actually bringing it into the City so it is actually into Love Park and renting booth space to not just produce, to show off what Philadelphia and its region has to offer, but also Philadelphia clothes that are made here.

Councilwoman Brown

Sure.

Ms. Johnson

Textiles. Any kind of thing that Philadelphia makes or the region, 39 so that we can take that and grow it. Because one of the things that is very important is to show that we are a sustainable City and that we do have manufacturing here. We do have farms here. We have things that we can sell. So, that is something that we have been looking at for the past year, and talking about it, and we hope that we will be able to launch that this year in September.

Councilwoman Brown

Terrific. How are new ideas vetted in the Commerce Department; new ideas?

Ms. Johnson

In Commerce?

Councilwoman Brown

Yeah. How are they vetted?

Ms. Johnson

You will have to talk with Alan about the Commerce, but.

Councilwoman Brown

I can wait. I can wait. Let's move to talk about the Christmas Village. Last year questions were raised regarding whether or not it looks like Philadelphia, and it is no secret that we are asking this of every single department. 40 So, for the Christmas Village, two years I asked about the processes in place to certify that companies participating in the Christmas Village abide by City standards after the initial award of the contract. What steps has your office taken to ensure that these companies represent themselves accurately when they apply for City contracts?

Ms. Johnson

Are you talking about minority? It is in the contract that they have, I believe. When we talked last year, we checked. They do. If you go to any of the booths during that time when they are selling, they actually recruit here in Philadelphia. Some they bring from Germany and other places, but a lot of the booths are from Philadelphia.

Councilwoman Brown

So, they're local?

Ms. Johnson

Some of the booths are local, yes.

Councilwoman Brown

That is one important check off. What about cultural 41 diversity?

Ms. Johnson

Well, we have talked about some of the stuff that they do. They have brought in entertainment. Last year they had that, and I would say that the entertainment that they provided was definitely --

Councilwoman Brown

Was rich in terms of culture?

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely. They had everything from African-Americans to some Asian dancers, I believe, or the dragon that they have. So, it was very, very diverse last year.

Councilwoman Brown

Can you submit to The Chair the listing of those contracts and stipulate whether or not they were local MBEs or WBEs?

Ms. Johnson

You want the contract that shows that they have --

Councilwoman Brown

Each of the booths that were setup.

Ms. Johnson

I don't have those because those are individually done by the 42 contractor, because we don't produce that event. It's an individual contractor who does, but I do have the contract between them and the City of Philadelphia.

Councilwoman Brown

You have access to that contractor, who then ultimately -- I hired those folks?

Councilwoman Brown

We would like to think that this is an expectation that they provide a listing of who they are doing business with, because only hard factual data shows the true story. So, the ask is that you will get that information and submit it to The Chair so that we can see it for ourselves. The Christmas Village moved to Love Park this year during preparation for the construction at Dilworth Plaza, the outcomes at the Village changed as a result of the move in terms of revenue.

Ms. Johnson

I believe so. They were very busy, much more so being in Love Park than they were in Dilworth Plaza. It was 43 really an eye opener. It worked very well in Love Park. They had a lot of people coming in and out. Probably because Love Park, people walk through it, but they did very well this year -- last year.

Councilwoman Brown

So, you have information that shows an uptick in attendance, as well as revenue generated?

Ms. Johnson

I can get that from the contractor.

Councilwoman Brown

Please, and if that can be a part of the testimony next year so that we can actually see what the yield and outcomes are with those kinds of decisions. I will stop, Mr. Chairman, and I will be back. Thank you.

Ms. Johnson

You're welcome.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilwoman. We are gonna recognize Ms. Bass and then we will be on our second round of questioning, which will have a three-minute limit as opposed to a five-minute limit. Councilwoman Bass.

Councilwoman Bass

Thank you, Mr. 44 Chairman. Good morning.

Ms. Johnson

Good morning, Councilwoman.

Councilwoman Bass

How are you?

Ms. Johnson

I am well. Thank you.

Councilwoman Bass

Good. I just have a couple of really quick questions. One was already touched upon by Councilman Johnson in reference to attracting people to Philadelphia because, you know, I'm a firm believer that the only way we kind of get out of the financial situation that we are in is we have to grow our City. We have to grow our economy and part of that is getting people to come here, see how great it is, and then connecting them with the idea of living here and calling Philadelphia home. So, and again, I know that there was some discussion already had. But, I guess I just wanted to ask a little bit further. Is there any sort of comprehensive effort to get people to come to our events and activities and then stay here? 45 Is there any organized, strategic effort beyond the college graduate, you know, which is great, you know, because we need to to do something about the brain drain, obviously. But also for other groups. For other families, young families, individuals. Is there any sort of comprehensive effort that your office works with, you know, another department to, you know, attract and recruit folks to come in to Philadelphia to stay?

Ms. Johnson

Do you mean to live, or?

Councilwoman Bass

Yes, to live.

Ms. Johnson

It's something that's been discussed, but there is not a promotional piece attached to that as of yet. It is something that we have been talking about for the last few years and trying to find funding for, but it hasn't moved. So we do a number of different things through events and promotion for tourism, but not a specific program to attract people to come to Philadelphia to live. No. 24

Councilwoman Bass

Okay. All right. 46 But, it is something that is not off the table. Something that you have discussed, but just sort of getting your hands around it right now, it may take a moment to get there; you think?

Ms. Johnson

I think that it was shelved for a number of reasons, but it is not something that is dead. There just hasn't been any funding or agreement as to how it could be resurrected, so-to-speak. But, it is certainly not completely off the table, no. 13

Councilwoman Bass

Okay. The other question, can you speak to specific marketing techniques or projects that you all may do, particularly towards certain nitch communities, specific communities whether it is the African-American community or LGBT or the Hispanic community, which is growing throughout our City and our region. You know, Philadelphia experienced population growth, and that was one of the communities that really had a significant growth. So, how do we market to them with the 47 events that we have? You know, I notice some of the events that you have mentioned here, but nothing that was specifically, you know, geared towards specific communities; like I said, the African-American, LGBT communities, and groups that want to come in and spend money and see Philadelphia?

Ms. Johnson

Well, when we do, for instance, something for the Philadelphia Marathon, our promotion has to be very broad. But in working with GPTMC, they market specifically to those communities; LGBT, as well as 360. We work with 360 for every event that we do, as well as GPTMC. They really work closely with us to do promotions on all of our events. From the Philadelphia Collection to Wawa Welcome America to the Philadelphia Marathon and now for Philly Home Grown. So, they have segments where, I am trying to think of a for instance for you with 360, something that we did. I am drawing a blank. Can you think of something? 48 We work with them because their job is to promote Philadelphia specifically through funding that they get. So, they have been great partners for us. We work with the Multi-cultural Affairs Congress. When the National Association of Black Journalists were here, we worked with them and hosted a reception for them to show them the things that we do. We did, during Welcome America, a block party in Chinatown and marketed that. So, we try and hit every demographic that we can through a lot of different ways. We went to New York with GPTMC for With Art to promote that to the African-American Journalist. We have done that in the past. We have done media tours and things along those lines. So, we try ran hit every one we can, but we, in my office specifically, we kind of keep it broad when we are trying to do a marketing program because of the funding involved.

Councilwoman Bass

Sure, okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, 49 Councilwoman. We are going to begin the second round. I have a few brief questions. First of all, let me compliment you and take a page from one of the Serious 6, Councilman Johnson, and complement you. But also one of the veterans, Councilman Green, and say we are trying to learn how as a body to say, "yes, and", as opposed to "no, but". So, we're trying to -- there's a kinder, gentler spirit in chambers these days.

Ms. Johnson

Thank you.

Councilman Jones

To compliment you. You have grown as an administrator. Your presentation is concise. You have been telling us what we need to hear. We are trying to tell you what we'd like to see. That connection to the neighborhood, we're a City of neighborhoods, and Councilman Squilla's district. I know about the Italian Market and things that are part of our fabric. In Chestnut Hill, Germantown, there are things to see, and in my district. We'd like to look at the groups, figure a connect, and get 50 them to come out to these neighborhoods where we have commercial shopping strips, we have restaurants and places that are unique. Every City has a gap, but every City doesn't have Denise's Bakery. So, we want you to come out to parts of the district and get people to really, you know -- Pat's and Geno's is nice, but there are other cheesesteak places that I would argue are better, Councilman Kenney. So.

Ms. Johnson

Can I tell you about our Philadelphia Marathon fan pass, Councilman?

Councilman Jones

Yes.

Ms. Johnson

We created that four years ago. The first year was specifically the course where we approached a number of different retailers to highlight what they were doing during the Philadelphia Marathon. That year we had about 40,000 people who, basically, they're a captive audience. 27,000 of them are because they have to come and pick up their bags from the Expo. But, they bring their families, which is why the Philadelphia Marathon is the gift that keeps 51 on giving. The year after that, we expanded the Philadelphia Fan Pass. The Philadelphia Marathon Fan Pass to make it City wide. So, that we had over a hundred retailers and hotels that signed up to give discounts so that we could promote them during the Philadelphia Marathon Expo. We also use Temple University students to promote the City and the different organizations. There is a booth at the Expo that talks about not just what is going on during the marathon, but what happens in the City. There are some events or something at the Please Touch Museum, because again, no 16 runner comes alone. They always bring a support team.

Councilman Jones

Exactly.

Ms. Johnson

So, those support teams are not going to be at the Expo all the time, so we found a way to try to really give them something they can do. So, that is one of the things we do.

Councilman Jones

When you do an event 52 like the marathon or the Delgado, we benefit on City Avenue in our hotels. So, we book out there. So we understand the connectivity to that. Couple of the events; one, the bike race. I want to thank you for your involvement with that. It comes through the neighborhoods and everybody isn't always happy to see it, but you have made it a little more palatable. One of the things that we would like you to -- that was an innovation last year was the court. We opened up the bike court. It is not a night court, but a bike court, and a lot of the enthusiastic members to watch the bike race, you know, tends to throw them back a little hard. We had to let them know that that kind of behavior was going to be put in check because the neighbors who live there didn't necessarily appreciate it. You worked with that group, we would like that bike court again. So, we would like you to follow up with that and do that. The other thing is, when one of the Council persons talked about, I think it was 53 Councilwoman Brown talked about new events. Ike Johnstone who runs the Belmont stables in my district is having a roundup and he's invited close to 500 equestrians to come and stay for three days in the City of Philadelphia, and they are going to do a horseback tour all the way up to Valley Forge and back, and during those three days, I don't know if you are working with him yet, but we --

Ms. Johnson

I haven't talked to him.

Councilman Jones

We would like you to contact him and reach out to Mr. Johnstone, and that is 300 families that are gonna here, camp out, and we want them to have a pleasant experience, because as mentioned, our Fairmount Park trails, you would be surprised, you know, if you go in some of those back trails that aren't always traversed, it is like being in some place in the mid-west. It is really beautiful. So, we would like to you take a look at that.

Ms. Johnson

May I contact your office to get a contact number? 54

Councilman Jones

Absolutely. In fact, one of my staff will give you the number before you leave chambers. Second round. Chair now recognizes Councilman Kenney.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you. I know you interact with various departments in the City during events, whether it's Rec or Streets, police obviously. Do you have much interaction with L&I relative to events? The reason I raise it is the issue of a Doom Day, which is again one of those neighborhood events that started and now it is this huge event for the City and it is great for the City on many levels. They used to be able, the vendors used to be able to purchase a couple day business privilege license or vending license on site when they showed up, and now L&I is saying they have to do it weeks in advance. When you have these small entrepreneurs, they choose at the last minute where they may go to vend. Is there something you could do to see 55 if we can't get that reinstated? It makes planning that much easier for them because they can encourage people to come the day of and get the license they need? That would be a big help.

Ms. Johnson

I will certainly inquire.

Councilman Kenney

Secondly, a Stark Philadelphia, Incorporate, with the exception of individual events. Whether it's an art exhibit, whether it's Vango, or any of those, it is probably, the stark area is probably the single biggest 12 month a year draw. Always folks coming, no matter what month it is and they're coming and they're staying in hotels and doing the weekend. They have really gotten smashed, as many entities have, by the State. You see those folks walking around doing the tours in period costume and the Betsy Ross House and the bell, Franklin Square, it really does bring lots and lots of families and individuals, foreign tourists, national tourists to the City. Is there any possible, a small bump for them would be -- right now because of the 56 State cut, they are probably out of August. August is gonna be shut down for their programing. I just think it is one of those things we sometimes take for granted because we own all those entities and it just always went on and the State took care of them. Now the State has no interest, for the most part, west of Harrisburg. Could you please look at something? Maybe we can give them a little bit of a bump to save August?

Ms. Johnson

I will certainly look in to it. They have just asked me to join their Board.

Councilman Kenny

Oh, good.

Ms. Johnson

They are stakeholders under my budget. I worked very closely with Amy Needle and we are looking at different things to see what we can possibly do.

Councilman Kenney

Great. So, your attention to it is appreciated.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. 57

Councilman Jones

Chair thanks Councilman. The Chair now recognizing Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A couple of my colleagues had mentioned some of their more local events that they have. Does your office continue to help support? So, I have, for instance two concerts, two big concerts a year up in the district in conjunction with Penny Pack Park. You know, Parks and Recs. So, if I were in need of some sort of promotional support or some kind of assistance in some way or another, would I call your office?

Ms. Johnson

Yes, sir. You can certainly call our office.

Councilman Kenney

Okay. That is great. Now, I have a few quick questions on the marathons. It has become so big, you know, in the City. So, you have, you know, you have the Philadelphia Marathon, you have the Broad Street Run, you have many other runs, you know, that goes on. 58 Have you considered expanding it more of a, you know, national to match like the Philly Marathon, more of a national level because it seems like more people are becoming more health conscious these days. If we are generating that kind of money and there is a rate of return on the, I guess, registration fees. I think the registration fees have to be, you know, a substantial amount?

Ms. Johnson

Actually, they are only $85. We have managed to keep it that way by changing the length of time we offer before we go to a bump for the next one. But the Philadelphia Marathon is national. We attract runners from all 50 states and 40 countries. Canada and Mexico are our largest. It's grown by about 2,000 runners for the last four years, give or take a few hundred here or there. There are four races. The Rothman 8k they are going to sign up for another three years and are very happy with it. We are looking at ways to expand that because of the 59 course that we currently use will be tapped out in a few years if we don't make some changes. So we are looking to possibly move the half marathon to a Saturday and do Sunday so we can grow both races.

Councilman Kenney

You had the Broad Street Run --

Ms. Johnson

The Broad Street Run is done --

Councilman Kenney

They had 30,000 participants in five hours or something like that. Somebody in my office made it in by the wire, you know. I have an avid runner. I am going to give Chris a shout out, and he wanted to know, do you cap -- how do you determine the number of capping in the amount of runners in all these marathons?

Ms. Johnson

Well, the Broad Street Run is run by Parks and Rec and they capped out at 30,000 because I don't think Broad Street can handle a larger number. We cap our number, we will cap out probably 20, 29,000, if we keep both the half and the full on the same day. Which is why we are looking 60 at seeing if we can move the half marathon so that we can grow both races. Otherwise, we will probably reach 29,000, maybe this year. So, we have to be careful because the course, while the Parkway is huge, the streets that that they go through, some in Center City, right around the historic district are not so big. So, we have to be very careful.

Councilman Kenney

But, you are considering maybe attracting some more national, like, more beneficiaries for a large marathon or running event here?

Ms. Johnson

Do you mean doing another Philadelphia Marathon?

Councilman Kenney

Well, not another Philadelphia Marathon, but of the like. You know, attracting more -- just continuing on. Welcome to the City, this is what we have to offer. Look what we do, Philadelphia Marathon, look at the Broad Street Run, et cetera, et cetera.

Ms. Johnson

I am actually not looking to do another large race like that at the 61 moment. What we are are trying to do is figure out a way to promote Philadelphia's pathways. Philadelphia is a great running City, so we have talked to the Broad Street Run and when the Philadelphia Distance Run before it was owned by an outside company, we talked about trying to do a promotional piece that showed all these three races that we can, basically, train at one in order to reach the last one, which was the Philadelphia Marathon. We are still talking about that. The Broad Street Run is going to do a promotion with the Philadelphia Marathon this year, whereas if you run the Broad Street Run and you run any one of the three races -- or two races, the half or the full, you get a special metal or something. We talked about a certificate. So, that is one of the ways that we are cross-promoting. But, at this point, putting another race on of that size just is not doable with the staff that we currently have. There have been other people, there is a half marathon 62 that is produced outside called the Odyssey. Odyssey a half marathon. But, to do another race of the Philadelphia Marathon size or the Broad Street Run, I just don't think we have the resources to handle that at this time.

Councilman Jones

Is that it, Council? Your time is up. Respecting the clock. I don't feel like the substitute teacher today. Thank you. Councilwoman Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to underscore the importance of our interest in whoever the contractor is for the Christmas Village.

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely.

Councilwoman Brown

That they know what we are looking for in terms of numbers.

Ms. Johnson

So, you want the list of the people they do business with and --

Councilwoman Brown

Who they contract with.

Ms. Johnson

You also want to see how they have improved their numbers?

Councilwoman Brown

The stats and data 63 --

Ms. Johnson

In Love Park.

Councilwoman Brown

-- of the outcome. I visit the Christmas Village every year because I like international arts and crafts, but I also visit to see if they look like Philadelphia.

Councilwoman Brown

My assessment summary is different from yours. So, we need to see the hard data.

Ms. Johnson

I will get that for you.

Councilwoman Brown

I have been looking here at the table of organization of the City, and Councilman Good tried to help me find the Office of Arts and Culture. Where is the Office of Arts and Culture in the midst of the Commerce Department?

Ms. Johnson

It is not, it is in the Mayor's office.

Councilwoman Brown

It is in the Mayor's office?

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. All right 64 then. What is the level of interface with your department and the Commerce Department?

Ms. Johnson

Through a number of different things that we have worked on. Which would be the Ambassador Program, Campus Philly. What else did I talk about earlier? The Philadelphia Collection, the Philadelphia Fashion Incubator at Macy's. We work on a number of different things together.

Councilwoman Brown

Very well. I will say that the discussion about the celebration of smaller arts and cultural organizations with Commerce. What is the level of interface with the Office Of Arts And Culture?

Ms. Johnson

Well, we work with them. We created a program last year, the Jazz Coalition, where there is, this Friday, I believe. This April is Jazz month. Last year we had a press conference on Jazz Day, which was -- we launched on the end of March and then we had Jazz month, which was in the middle of the month and we pulled together a number of different Jazz groups and 65 organizations in the City and announced it Jazz month, which is the U.S. Conference, the Mayor does Jazz Day.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay.

Ms. Johnson

The Smithsonian does Jazz month.

Councilwoman Brown

That's a new initiative of the partnership between those two departments?

Ms. Johnson

Exactly.

Councilwoman Brown

Very well. I want to put on the record here today that my office has been doing its du diligence around a City wide Children and Youth Arts and Music Festival. They're about 12 celebrating different cities around the county. Philadelphia is not one of them. I was struck by the work of In Liquid (ph). They had a community arts festival last May or June and thought about the value of making it a City wide effort where you celebrate talents of children and youth. So, know that that document is coming to you. I believe I had a preliminary 66 conversation with GPTMC, I simply can't remember, but when I looked at what other cities are doing around the country and celebrating the works and talents of children and youth. I think that is a great opportunity for our City, and when I looked at the different sponsors, some of those sponsors are right here in the region. So, know that that document is coming to you as well as to the leadership of GPTMC.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. Lastly -- That may be it. I think that is it. So, let me close by also acknowledging the important work that you do and the reach that your office has for it to be such a small -- small in terms of numbers. But, your reach is wide and deep and I know that because I see it often in the work that you are doing.

Ms. Johnson

Thank you, Councilwoman. Very much appreciated.

Councilwoman Brown

You're welcome. Thank you, Chairman. 67

Councilman Jones

Counsel now recognizes Councilman Oh.

Councilman Oh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My concern is that your office is small and that it seems like there is so much more work that needs to be done. I am not sure who else does it. I guess we have the Commerce Deputy Mayor coming up as well. But, in terms of our need as a City to bring dollars in and to create new employment and opportunities and to attract the type of residents that we need for our growing creative and innovative work force. With all the opportunities to brand Philadelphia, you know, how does your office, in terms of size and activity, compare with cities like New York or smaller cities like Boston, which are well-branded?

Ms. Johnson

We do the best we can.

Councilman Oh

What do their offices look like, comparable office to yours?

Ms. Johnson

Well, New York has New York City Marketing, which is an agency that 68 was created quite a few years ago and was an outside agency that pulls together convention tourism and hospitality. It is a very different setup because they have the different bureaus. So, it is even less comparing apples and oranges to compare this office with what New York City Marketing does. We work with, in this City we have PCVB has a separate organization, GPTMC is a separate organization. You also have Center City district. All of whom work together to try and do that promotion and branding, which is what With Art Philadelphia promotion is all about. All of those organizations for the first time really came together. So, we recognize exactly what you are saying and try to pull together to do that, which is also what the Mayor's Hospitality Advisory Board is trying to do. There is not a comparison between us and New York or even Boston in how it is all setup. Each City is set up differently. Philadelphia is definitely unique in the way that we have it 69 setup in terms of promotion and marketing.

Councilman Oh

Is that unique good, unique bad?

Ms. Johnson

Well, for four years I think it is good since we have been working very hard to make a difference and I think we have in a number of different ways. With what we have to do, yes. But I don't think that you can compare New York City marketing to what we have here because it's a very different kind of setup because of the different boroughs.

Councilman Oh

All right, thank you very much.

Ms. Johnson

You're welcome.

Councilman Jones

One moment. I actually think Councilman Oh is on to something. That thematically many of the Council people here today have said is that we are not different than New York. We have different analogies and different definitions of neighborhoods, boroughs versus neighborhoods. But, pretty much, each one of these districts is unique from all around the 70 City and if we thought of it that way to market it in that way, like one of the things we are proud of in the fourth is we have more park land, more waterfront than most districts and as I work with the commercial corridors there, they are trying to push that. Main street is pushing the riverside of things and every time we do a promotion for the arts festival, which you help us with, and others, we are really selling that location and there is a uniqueness about each one of the districts or boroughs if we look at it that way, and I am encouraged by the fact that you have all of these different promoting agencies that should kind of report thematically to you and kind of get that branding kind of out there. We have envy of New York and Washington DC, and we shouldn't. We shouldn't. Councilman Johnson stated that we are uniquely position between the financial and Governmental capital of the world. We are within one truck day's ride between one third 71 of the City, the nation's population. We are unique in ourselves and we need to start branding that in a way that captures some of the creative culture that we are trying to attract, some of the young professionals that we are trying to retain and brand ourselves as something special, and the cheesesteak and hoagie debate should continue.

Ms. Johnson

I absolutely agree with both of you.

Councilman Jones

Chair recognizes Councilman Squilla.

Councilman Squilla

Thank you, Chairman. Thank you guys for coming out here and I do believe this is an important role for the City to grow and it does seem like we have a couple different organizations doing similar things and it's good to hear that we are now working together to try to coordinate that to -- so we don't have a redundancy of operation between different organizations. But, my district is pretty big and has a lot of different museums throughout the district from the African-American Museum, 72 the Jewish Museum, the Philadelphia Museum, the Mummers Museum, Polish Museum, a million museums. I was just wondering how do you market each individual museum and how do you pick or choose, you know, which ones you highlight at certain times?

Ms. Johnson

Well, we do a lot with the museums in your district. I actually sit on the Board for the African-American Museum. We just did their gala, and I worked on the committee to create a new event for them that we did in the museum to attract younger people to the museum. So, I have worked on that and that turned out to be a really good thing to do. We are gonna do it again next year. We actually have Quest love in to spin and we attracted a large number. I think about 200 people, and they also got a membership with their cost. So, working with them, I worked very closely with them. As for the Mummers Museum, some of the things we do with Wawa 73 Welcome America, we have a program called Go Forth and Learn. Each year we do different venues, to talk about Go Forth and Learn about history, Go Forth and Learn about music. We did something at the Del last year. This year we're doing Go Forth and Learn about the Mummers at the Mummers Museum. So, we try and come up with different things and partner with the different organizations to figure out, well, if we are doing an event, how can we include this district or this neighborhood. So, you know, we are not able to do every single one, but in the four years that we have been here, I think we have probably hit most of the districts or had a partnership with some organization in that district. We are still continuing to do that.

Councilman Squilla

So, you, try to market, every year try to market a different museum?

Ms. Johnson

We try and market a different venue. We are going to Smith 74 Playground this year as well as the Mummers. We are going back to Franklin Square where they just did a pavilion and we did a big press conference with them. We did -- We are doing something at the Please Touch museum this year. We did something at the Franklin Institute last year. The Academy of Natural Sciences. There are a lot over the last four years that we try and do a partnership because we think it is important to work with the Recreation Department to bring at least two to three hundred kids, depending on the location, to each of the these Go Forth and Learns, where people come out, they read to them, they get a book. They usually get some kind of bag and they get to see the venue, whereas a lot of those parents would not be able to afford the fee for those kids to come in. We try and make sure that it happens.

Councilman Squilla

You also market them to people from outside the City coming in. We have the Philadelphia Museum, Atwater Kent Museum. A lot of people don't even 75 realize what that museum is.

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely.

Councilman Squilla

It just seems like we need to be more proactive in marketing all of them to the people, not just the programs in them, but marketing every one of the museums to all the people who come in so they can actually know this museum has this, this is what this museum is.

Ms. Johnson

GPTMC does a really good job with You Wish You Knew. Different places that might not be well known to people, and there is an organization called Hidden City that does that as well to show -- Actually, they are a little bit more extreme because you would not even know some of the places that -- They promote the Met. There are places that might be unfinished or ajeweled (ph) Rine to Rain Hotel. So there are quite a number of different ways that that gets done. We also try and do something to do venues there. We work with both organizations for that.

Councilman Squilla

So, you do work 76 with them to see that is happening?

Ms. Johnson

Well --

Councilman Squilla

I just feel like sometimes people come and, I never knew that was there. We never knew that was there. A lot of people living in Philadelphia a long time don't know it,.

Ms. Johnson

I know.

Councilman Squilla

Hopefully we can work together to make that better.

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely, Councilman. I'd be very happy to do that. We are still trying to figure out ways in order to do so.

Councilman Squilla

Thank you.

Council President Clarke

Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Thank you. I just wanted to briefly ask what the policy is of the administration with respect to our City sister program? How are we utilizing that existing program, you know, in what way? There was mention of ambassadors in the testimony that are related to that, but specifically those cities that are our sister 77 cities, what proactive things are we doing every year?

Ms. Johnson

With the current or are we trying to get new ones; is that your question?

Councilman Green

Well, with what we have got.

Ms. Johnson

Nancy Gilboy does an absolutely incredible job. She has interns that come. We have people that come for visits where she arranges tours from our sister cities. We are trying to arrange for the Mayor to do some travel to maybe one of those sister cities this year. I don't think that some our sister cities has ever had a visit from one of the Mayor's of the City. So, we work with them, with IVC for what they do. We are not currently taking on any other sister cities because I think your point is is that the nine that we have, we try very hard to keep those going and those relationships going. It is not as simple as, you know -- We actually have a program with our Poland sister city where we did a 78 photography exchange, where we sent a photographer from here and they the sent someone over here to show our culture and there was an an exhibit. There is the Polish Mayor came over. There are a number of different things that happen two or three times a year. Our Kovai City in Japan. We did coincidentally, our marathons happened on the same day. We did a big promotional exchange of our running shirts with them. So, with anything else that we do in terms of organizations, we try and find promotional pieces and work with IVC to see how we can keep it going, to show that we are still very interested.

Councilman Green

Well, what is the purpose in the City Reps view, not IVCs view of having a sister program, because they are the city sister cities. What are we doing -- Is there a stated ex goal, expectation, policy with respect to what we hope to achieve from these programs and what resources are we investing in attaining those 79 goals? From your response, it doesn't sound like there is an over-arching policy and set of goals with respect to sister cities and that of course, if there is not, there is not. But, I'd like that to be something that we explore for the future. I think they are valuable, potentially not just cultural, but commercial exchange programs and we should have specific goals with respect to them.

Ms. Johnson

I absolutely agree, Councilman.

Councilman Green

Thank you.

Ms. Johnson

You are welcome.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilman. The Chair recognizes Councilman O'Brien.

Councilman O'Brien

Thank you, Mr. Leader. I would just like -- I talked to Holly Kinser, your wonderful advisor sitting in the back and there is a -- I'd like to explore the possibility of bringing a big event to Philadelphia, and that is in the City of Pittsburgh, they have what is called 80 the Vintage Car Racing and it was started by Myron Cope, the former voice of the Steeler's, and Dan Torisky, who is head of the screen writer's guild. He wrote the movie MASH, Golden Girls, and a number of other things. But, the only place on the planet that this race takes place is Monaco and the City of Pittsburgh. They have 250,000 individuals who go to Chenerey Park and they set all these car clubs up on the golf course in Pittsburgh over a weekend. It grew from an event that took place on a Saturday morning to an almost all-week celebration. They have vastly outgrown their venue in Pittsburgh and they would very much like to come here. There is also another issue I would like to discuss with you with great specificity and that is making Philadelphia a diverse autism or disability friendly City and I think we can explore all the venues that come under your umbrella of responsibility. So, without belaboring the conversation here, I would just like to have 81 the opportunity to explore those opportunities with you in the near future.

Ms. Johnson

Absolutely, Council, and I would be happy to setup an appointment with your office.

Councilman Greenlee

Thank you, Councilman. Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

I just have two final questions. One, do you have in-house public relations person on staff?

Ms. Johnson

Yes, we do.

Councilman Henon

But, for the vast majority of your larger events, I guess you contract out the professional services?

Ms. Johnson

Yes, we do.

Councilman Henon

That answers my questions.

Councilman Henon

You know what, I am sorry. I apologize. The Film Office; does that fall under the purview of the City Solicitor's Office or is that more Commerce?

Ms. Johnson

It is actually under my 82 office as a stakeholder.

Councilman Henon

It is as a stakeholder?

Councilman Henon

Just more in line, as some of the earlier questions about a dollar return in an investment on, you know, promoting Philadelphia, you know, attraction as a place where, you know, rich in history and, you know, in producing of movies and documentaries. If you could take a look at some kind of study analysis and provide that to the Chair as well, I would appreciate it, because I would imagine -- I mean, it seems like -- I think the Film Department has done a wonderful job and it only seems as it's growing, you know. Especially with -- I hope the State brings it back, the tax credit, you know, for the movie, which is a board that I sit on actually. So, I can help promote, you know, being at the table and working hand in hand with your department and sharing on more of a working type relationship. 83 So, I look forward to that, and if we could definitely put, you know, dollar values to some of the great things that we are doing and continue to do, I can help champion in another venue.

Ms. Johnson

I think that actually exists, so I will try and get that for you.

Councilman Henon

Thank you.

Councilman Greenlee

Councilwoman Reynolds-Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you. Quick point of information regarding your sister cities initiative.

Councilwoman Brown

Or activities -- Councilman David Oh has created a new committee for City Council that deals with global opportunities and global thinking. So, I think an opportunity exists there to create a linkage between that office and the work of his committee. I am sure he can give you greater detail on that. Lastly, you state in your testimony that your department works with a number of 84 not-for-profit, including Welcome Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Marathon. Cite or state, provide a couple of examples of other not-for-profit that you work with.

Ms. Johnson

Well, um -- the GPTMC, the PCVB --

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. Here's the subsequent follow-up and ask, there continues to be, in some ways, a concern, in other ways an interest for City agencies that are doing business with not-for-profits, that those not-for-profits in their practices, they are embracing or honoring Mayor Nutter's Executive Order around doing business with MBE, WBE. So, the question is, with those not-for-profits, is there some system, some practice, some oversight where you know that that is happening in a deeper way with those not-for-profits?

Ms. Johnson

Well, I can speak on the Wawa Welcome America and the Philadelphia Marathon as absolutely, as a person who runs both those groups that we've way exceeded -- 85 I am looking for it to give you exact numbers.

Councilwoman Brown

Sure.

Ms. Johnson

The percent, I believe 5 we are 65 percent, but I am going to give you 6 -- 7

Councilwoman Brown

Well, that is 8 great news, because unfortunately, that is 9 not the norm for City agencies. 10

Ms. Johnson

We have for, and even for 11 the for profit for my office, the money that 12 we use for programing we have exceeded the 25 13 percent in dealing with minority and 14 women-owned businesses. I think the number 15 for that was 43 percent, the number for 16 Historic Philadelphia, they received money 17 from us and I have that number here, which is 18 why I mentioned that. 19

Councilwoman Brown

Sure. 20

Ms. Johnson

48 percent overall for 21 minority business, and women-owned business 22 46 percent. I can certainly give you 23 percentages on some of the others. 24

Councilwoman Brown

Well, the evidence 86 is clear for your department. So, one final follow-up on this matter, Mr. Chair person. If you had to look at the one quality that helps make that happen, what would you say it is?

Ms. Johnson

We aggressively look for minority in women-owned businesses to do business with. When we send out done an RFP, we keep a log of businesses who have contacted us or people that I get business cards from and anytime we do an RFP, we send out an e-mail letting them know that there is an opportunity for the kind of product or service they provide, and that is how we actually get our numbers. We work with a lot of women and minority owned businesses before those two events because we just think we should and we go after them to try and keep those numbers up.

Councilwoman Brown

Agreed. That boils down to leadership. It really does take leadership that doesn't talk it, but walk it in terms of honoring the tenants of the 87 Mayor's Executive Order. So, every chance we get, we need to acknowledge that and say thank you because it is not the norm yet in City Government. So, thank you for the work that you do.

Ms. Johnson

Thank you, Councilwoman.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you, Mr. Chair person. Are there any other questions?

Ms. Johnson

I just found it in there.

Councilman Greenlee

Are there any other questions? Seeing none -- whoops Councilman Goode.

Councilman Goode

That is for the next.

Councilman Greenlee

You are getting in fast. I know how that works. Thank you both very much. Thank you for you being here. Thank you for all the work you do.

Ms. Johnson

Thank you.

Councilman Greenlee

And the next offices are Commerce and OEO.

Councilman Jones

Good morning. Could you state your name for the record and begin 88 your testimony, please.

Mr. Greenberger

Good morning, Council. Good morning Councilman in the room. I'm Alan Greenberger, Deputy Mayor for Economic Development, and with me are Angela Dowd-Burton, Executive Director to the Office of Economic Opportunity and momentarily should be Kevin Dow, Chief Operating Officer. But, I will start. He stepped out for a moment. He should be back shortly. I know that you have testimony from us and you have asked -- Here he comes. You have asked us not to read that, so I am going to summarize that testimony as he runs up and I fill air time until he gets here. Let me give you the larger overview of the testimony. As I said, Kevin Dow, Chief Operating Officer and Angela Dowd-Burton, Executive Director Of Office Of Economic Opportunity, and our senior staff who are in the front row and also available to answer questions. Also, several of our more important economic development partners are with us today as well. 89 The broad picture on the dollars is that an awful lot of money flows through the Commerce Department. $252,000,000. If I can just parse that for a moment so that it's a little more understandable to everybody. $152,000,000 of that is aviation, it goes directly to the airport. That is overseen by my colleague, Deputy Mayor for Transportation Infrastructure, Rina Cutler. $48,000,000 is also passed through on the hotel tax fund, that goes to various convention center and promotional agencies associated with hospitality. $15,000,000 is passed through directly to the Convention Center supporting its operations. $24,000,000 of grant funds, and that represents a whole assortment of grants that comes into the Commerce Department for use on commercial corridors, environmental remediations. Kind of a grab-bag collection of things that goes to specific purposes and Community Development Funds $9,000,000. Those typically embody the CDBG and other related 90 funds. Pull all that out it's about $4,000,000 left that is direct Commerce operations. That is --

Councilman Jones

Could you repeat that?

Mr. Greenberger

About $4,000,000. $4,000,000 plus dollars. That is the actual Commerce budget for operations. The mission of the Commerce Department I think can be pretty simply stated and that is to improve, and you have heard me say this before. To improve the business climate of this City. So that Philadelphia is seen as a place of choice by businesses that aren't here, but could relocate here. Businesses that are here and want to expand. Businesses that are here and have choices about where they want to be in the future, which include places outside the City. We are trying to make this a place of choice for businesses. There are a number of ways that that mission gets implemented. I apologize, it's not a simple tiny little package of things. It's a fairly broad 91 package of things that we have to do that range from advocacy. We have to talk more about businesses. We have to go to their events. We have to show that we are serious about wanting them here because we know that they are the source ultimately of the jobs produced in the City, which is the ultimate goal. The tax policy. There have been a number of measures that come out of Council this year that the administration has worked that are on all intended to advance or incentivise businesses to either start up here, stay here or relocate here. Some of them specifically tied to certain types of businesses, they are being implemented and we appreciate Council leadership on that. There are Government operations, regulatory operations. These are things like reforming the zoning code. Making it easier to develop here, creating a business portal with Licenses and Inspections to make it easier to understand how to have a business here. 92 The development services that are offered through the Commerce Department, basically, to hand hold large and small businesses through our regulatory maze, as well as streamlining operations wherever we can. There are other kinds of Government operations that are also very instrumental and they range from business attraction, both internationally as Councilman Green had brought up, to local, regional, national. There are the efforts of the Office Of Business Services to support concierge type activities, for mostly small businesses across the entire City. Corridor, neighborhood corridor improvement programs. There are dozens of neighborhood corridor in the City that we are involved with through various programs that include storefront improvements, corridor management, community development corporation leadership. A whole variety of things that we can talk about, and then there is the indirect things that are related to simply 93 quality of life. A question was asked earlier about attracting people and a lot of that is vested in the quality of life in the City and the perception that it is a good quality of life, which is among the key reasons why people come and stay in a place. Two other things I would like to mention. Integrity of government is an important one that sometimes get overlooked in discussions about businesses. But it is absolutely critical that businesses understand that both now and in the future, government has a light level of integrity. It has a direct relationship to their willingness to invest and stay invested in a place. Lastly, and possibly most importantly is work force itself. On one hand we have a tremendously skilled work force and on the other hand we have a tremendously under-skilled work force that is in need of assistance for it to us. In terms of both work readiness, connection to jobs, and 94 retraining for the new kinds of jobs that are out there. That is a huge agenda and an agency like Commerce, which has 64 people in it, cannot execute that agenda by itself and so the way we have to do it is by forming critical partnerships with a number of agencies outside of the Government or quasi Public Agencies and this is what we do. Just to cite four of them, probably our most critical economic development partner is PIDC.

Mr. Greenberger

We see them and they see us as full partners in economic development in the City. They are also the City's financial transactor involving loan programs and movement of money. We are together pretty much every single day, either formally in regularly scheduled meetings or informally on the phone, in person, in e-mails. You name it. Every day. Another critical partner is Philadelphia Work Force Development Corporation and as you probably know, there's been a substantial effort in the last year to 95 start to merge the efforts of the Work Force Development Corporation with the Work Force Investment Board into a single unified entity. I am on the combined boards of both the Work Force Development Corporation and the WIB, along with many other people from the private sector. Mark Edwards, the Executive Director of PWDC is here today and John Grady, President of PIDC is also here today as two of our critical partners. At a broader level, we partner with quasi Public Development Corporations and CD, Business Improvement Districts all over the City. Delaware River Waterfront Corporation, Schuylkill River Development Corporation, Center City District in their capacity as a development agency, and of course at the neighborhood level with numerous community development corporations, corridor managers, business improvement districts. All the entities that help to manage the commercial activities in the neighborhood. So, what are the results thus far? The 96 last couple years I think there is some very good news to report. Our institutional sector, which typically is referred to as Eds and Meds. I do like to separate them, but for this conversation we will leave them together; they do rhyme and I am not sure -- sometimes I think that is the reason they get said together, represent 32 percent of our employment base in this City. That is the highest percentage of employment in any major City in the United States. The only City that is even remotely close is Boston in the high percentiles. 14 Those are very big numbers. They are doing 15 well. 5 billion dollars in 20 clinical and administrative and research practices in the City of Philadelphia, to the major universities; Penn, Temple, Drexel, all teaming up and building tremendous projects that are part of an expanded employment 97 base. Part of an expanded student base, and then we're seeing it in the smaller institutions as well. From things like a very aggressive plan to expand institutions like Chestnut Hill College and Holy Family College to name two. We are also seeing increased activities, certainly compared to the last -- the two years prior, might even say three years prior, in both real estate investment and in business investment. We see that in the form of our loan portfolio, which is largely executed through PIDC. We see it in the number of developers who are coming to us with projects that are starting to look financed. They are not there yet. We can talk more about that. But, we are certainly seeing far more activity on both of those fronts and I think a particularly good piece of news on the real estate side is we're seeing investments from major outside developing entities that we have not seen, at least in my memory, in the City, and just to give you a couple of 98 examples. Buck company in Chicago, major national international developer broke ground a couple weeks ago on a significant -- probably the first speculative development in the City since the recession began at 22nd and Chestnut, a 30 story market rate rental apartment house with commercial activity below and replacing with a new facility, the Sydney Home and Medical Center that had been there for many years.

Mr. Greenberger

The Rose Company in New York, and I think in fact the reason Council President isn't here today is because he went to the ground breaking of this great mix use, residential and commercial development project that sits astride the Temple University train station, to things like Kimpton Hotel, a San Francisco based hotel firm that is now finishing its second development project in Philadelphia. The Kimpton Monaco at 6th and Chestnut. Very, very enthused for Philadelphia. They see a market here that other hotels frankly have not seen as clearly. 99 They are investing. They are putting their money where their mouth is and I think there is more to come from Kimpton. It's a terrific organization. We are seeing a rise in entrepreneurship in the City. This was not a City that was known as an entrepreneurial City. We ranked poorly in major cities in the number of start-up businesses. We ranked very high in research, extremely high in research, particularly biomedical research. Poorly though in commercial activity that comes from that research. But, we are seeing that change and to kind of give you a marker on that, currently in the City, there are 43 separate physical locations that are specifically there to support entrepreneurial activity, either through as incubators, as places for co-work and sharing, or as places as multi-tenant operations for small start ups. Commerce Department is not involved in every single one of them, but we have been involved in many of them really helping to 100 get them started, helping to find entrepreneurs to populate these things and giving them support. We have -- In partnership with PIDC, we have a program called Smart City Smart Choice, which is a set of promotional materials that were developed in-house that really talk about Philadelphia as a great place to locate a business, a great place to live, and we think it's created several opportunities that are of interest. One of the most important ones is that we are seeing an explosion of the number of young people who are originally from out-of-town who come to the colleges and Universities in this area and stay. The percentage increase over the last ten years has been from about the high percentiles, 19 27, 28 percent to 46 or 7 percent. It's an 20 enormous increase in talent that is staying in the City. We need to support them and they are the kind of talent that is attractive to a lot of businesses, many of whom are not located in the City. 101 What those businesses are starting to see and what we are -- we have a strategic program to go talk to them, is to say, all right, you have got an established business in the region somewhere. You have got a happy work force perhaps, that is located out there on a more senior level, but you have got a talent problem in terms of attracting new people and that talent is more interested, generally speaking, in being in the City than being out in the deep suburbs. Businesses are starting to recognize it. With PIDC, we went out and visited a pretty big software company about a month ago. They are clearly in the market now looking for such a gateway enterprise in the City. We intend to go out to another dozen or so businesses and have that same discussion, as well as having discussions with, I would say midsize to large private enterprises that are actually talking about relocating their operations wholesale, and we are actively talking to some of them about relocating in the City. 102 The City is getting great notoriety for this. It is in the national press, it is hot. We are winning awards. People are recognizing Philadelphia for a lot of the initiatives that are going on here and they are seeing it as the place that we all want it to be. We sometimes wish that was a little more known in the City of Philadelphia, but we can have a discussion about that. One of the critical markers of that is the City's own bond rating.

Mr. Greenberger

As you know from news article, I guess in the last week, our lowest bond rating which is with Standards and Poors and I don't profess to understand how these bond ratings exactly -- what all these markers mean but it was a B,B,B rating. It was the lowest of three major rating agencies. It was just moved up to a B,B, B plus, with a positive outlook, which means we hope that within a year's time there is opportunity for further growth and we get an A somewhere in that equation. This has a direct impact on costs for 103 the City of borrowing money, therefore, has a direct financial benefit as well as a standing that we see differentiating ourselves from the plight of many American cities indeed the plight of many countries in the world. Our office of economic opportunity, I think is, and we will talk more about this, has become a very highly organized machine. We can't do everything we would like to do, but we are actively working with every agency, with projects that require EOPs. We are setting goals. We are monitoring and in places where there had been problems, we are doing enforcement actions. Unemployment rate, the one big marker that I can't say is doing as well as it should be is stubbornly high. percent. Our Unemployment rate typically tracks about percentage points higher than the national average. That's been going on for 20 years. Sometimes right before the recession it 104 got down to about a 1 percent differential and then it grew again. With the confirmed numbers coming out post-holiday season, I'm a little nervous that the numbers are going to go up some because of temporary employment that has ended, and as we all know, that is an average rate. The unemployment rate in some sectors in the community, in some of the poorer communities, some of the minority communities are much higher. Hard to get a grasp on the numbers, but they are much higher and they are appallingly high. There is a lot of work to do and unfortunately we don't control all that action. We are subject to the flumes of the national economy as well, obviously. I would say that is the one critical thing that in our view is a very big problem that needs work. You asked us to comment on both contracting and staff demographics, this the last part of my summary. The Commerce Department contracts with very few non Governmental entities. In fact, we only 105 contract with one and that is E Consult, that does our annual disparity study. That is an $80,000 contract they have. Minority participation is about percent. Through a firm -- am I saying that right, Angela Melligan?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Melligan? 8

Mr. Greenberger

Melligan. 9 Lastly, staff demographics Commerce is 10 in operation of 64 people, with what I would 11 characterize as 12 people in leadership 12 positions. Of those 12 people, 50 percent, 6 13 out of 12, are minority members, and 7 out of 14 12, approximately, 60 percent, are women. 15 That concludes my summary and I would like to 16 open it up to your questions. Thank you. 17

Councilman Jones

Thank you very much, 18 and I must say that I listened intensely to 19 your testimony and it answered many of the 20 questions that I had by way of a grade. I 21 don't think in my history, I am gonna check 22 with my freshman colleagues, in our term -- a 23 first term we have ever applied the term 24 "hot" to the City of Philadelphia. I guess 106 --

Mr. Greenberger

And we don't mean climate change.

Councilman Jones

That is a good thing. I guess we're gonna have to dig down a little bit to kind of get a grade on some things and I'll go with the first one that you said, employment. Employment is always the last indicator of a recovering economy to swing back to right the unemployment levels in the City of Philadelphia. I had a statistic that was given to me when we took a ride up to Lehigh Valley and we went to an industrial training school where they had 3,200 students being trained from everything from shops, electric, plumbing, things like nano technology. When I talked to the head of that particular department, they said their No. 1 place where they are placing their graduates is in the City of Philadelphia. That a best kept secret about Philadelphia is that we are one of the hubs for nano technology, and I was wondering, 107 since we are talking about unemployment and I know attraction is important, but retention is also important. Young people who graduate from Philadelphia high schools and graduate from Philadelphia universities, and what they said was that there was a disconnect between that emerging industry and our ability to train a work force that can, at the entry level, deal with some of the math that is required for nano technology. I would like to also ask John from PIDC to come on up. Some of these questions are going to be directed at you. But, where is that connection between the two -- Another shovel from the President. A sign of the economy. So, I want to know, are you working with the School Board to design curriculum for future jobs, present jobs as opposed to preparing work force for 8 track tape players that no longer exist?

Mr. Greenberger

I hope we are not training for 8 track tape players, but I 108 remember those. I think, actually, if I could ask Mark Edwards to come up and talk about a little bit about that from the work force side, because this is something that is of intense interest on that side and this is our critical partner in this. I would summarize it though by saying, and I think you mentioned it in your comments just now, we see three major problems out there. There is a work force readiness issue, and I think you alluded to something that you might have even seen in the last couple weeks that was in the news about math skills that some businesses apply to incoming candidates for employment and they are finding a shockingly high rate of inability to do things like -- I think the thing I read was calculate the area of a cylinder because the cylinder had something very critical to do with their business. Or the other one I think was, how many pallets can get on a forklift that has a weight limitation? The numbers were really 109 shockingly high, inability to do that. So, we are seeing that kind of problem in work readiness. We are also seeing problems in work readiness related to simple things about job behavior. Get there every day, be on time, dress appropriate to the job. There are those things. At the other end of the scale, there are obviously very big changes going on in the work force, both -- something like the industrial work force where the nature of industrial jobs is changing dramatically from a person who used to be able to do something very directly with their hands and now has to apply that knowledge abstractly to a computer that controls a box that does the same thing. So, there is a retraining issue and then in the middle is the whole problem of connecting people to the jobs that are out there, and with that summary, I would ask Mark to talk about some of the things that are going on, if that is okay.

Councilman Jones

Yes.

Mr. Greenberger

Thank you. 110

Councilman Jones

State your name for the record, please.

Mr. Edwards

Mark Edwards. I'm the President and CEO of the Philadelphia Work Force Development Corporation. The short answer to your question is, yes, we are beginning to work with the school district in light of some of its own reform that it is going through right now, to look at ways in which we might change. Work with them to change their curriculum to be more responsive to the needs of employers in the area. It is a challenge that we have for all of the reasons that Alan has already indicated. We, in terms of the public work force system, are beginning to prioritize our training dollars to support the same kinds of opportunities that might exist in a smaller -- on a smaller scale outside the School District of Philadelphia, where there are opportunities for us to connect with smaller employers through the kinds of skill building and other kinds of areas of improvement that people who would be a part of the work force 111 needs in order to be able to fill the needs of smaller employers. I am familiar with the project that you visited. It is a model that we are looking at as well. It is the kind of thing that we would like to replicate here in the City of Philadelphia, and as we strengthen our relationship with the School District through it's reform efforts, we are looking to do just that.

Councilman Jones

It was incredible that in the daytime, high school students attended these various skill enhancement training programs, but they kept running right after the school hours right into the night and adult populations occupy the same shops, learning the same skills that they did, and it prepared them. There was not a metal detector in the place. 3,200 students with ten feeder schools going to there. Their placement ratio was -- The kids didn't get in fights because they knew at the end of the rainbow, there was a real job with a real paycheck. 112 So, that kind of concept, that kind of thinking from the Work Force Development from the Commerce Department, to prepare young people for jobs that are really out there. We have a lot of lights lit, but I want to ask one more question. Commercial corridors. What is the vacancy ratio on our commercial -- We have a hundred plus commercial corridors in the City of Philadelphia. What is the vacancy ratio on our commercial corridors?

Mr. Greenberger

Karen, do we have a number on that?

Ms. Fegely

Overall, about percent. 16

Mr. Greenberger

Karen Fegely, who is 17 the Executive Director of our office of 18 Neighborhood Economic Development oversees 19 commercial corridors, and what she just said 20 was the vacancy, on average, is about 20 percent.

Councilman Jones

Is that up or down over the last three years?

Mr. Greenberger

I think that is up 113 for sure.

Councilman Jones

What are we doing to address that?

Mr. Greenberger

I think there is a number of things that we are doing that are instrumental in this. This too is a bit of a complicated story. These commercial corridors throughout the City grew at a time when there was, I believe, when, A, the City's population was much bigger and, B, people shopped more locally than they do now. One of the results is that most of our commercial corridors, both the healthy ones and the not so healthy ones, are probably bigger, longer than they ought to be and that's a source of a problem when you have less people shopping at them, both in terms of raw numbers as well as in terms of, well, I am getting in my car and I'm going to a big box that is in, you know, Cheltenham or something. So, I think there is a couple things you do about it. One is that we are finding that corridors that have corridor managers 114 are more successful than ones that don't. So we need to work with local business associations, whether it's the Business Association, the Community Development Corporation, a bid in some cases, to do better management on these corridors, and this sometimes is very simple stuff. It is picking up the trash, it's having people out on the street. It is showing people that good things are happening there. It is safe to come there and it's a good healthy shopping environment. We are doing that. We are offering technical assistance to groups who are not as organized to try to get them organized to do more of this. These corridor managers also, I think, the successful ones, are also thinking long and hard about trying to attract businesses that they think will compliment a kind of natural market that exists there that would be productive. I know that you have all seen, for example, vacant -- stores that are going vacant that wind up being rented to things 115 that are sort of less vital to a commercial corridor, but important for other reasons. Whether that is a local church, day care center, doctor's offices, you see this kind of stuff happening all the time. I have heard personally people express anxieties about it and the fact is, it's a result of vacancies and landlords looking for some way to create an income stream. On the zoning level, I think one of the things that we have to do, and this is gonna take years to do, but is to start compressing the commercial zoning so that it's a better thing if a corridor is smaller, but less vacant, that's 100 percent corridor. That ultimately, we think, is a better thing. You do that through strategic remappings and over the years, you are not putting anybody out of business, but as those that are outside that zoning that are grandfathered-in, go out of business, those corridors start to shrink. So, I think those are among the techniques that you have to use.

Councilman Jones

I am gonna reserve 116 my questions for the next round and get some of my colleagues. I am gonna recognize Councilman Goode.

Councilman Goode

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon.

Mr. Greenberger

Good afternoon, Councilman.

Councilman Goode

All my questions is pointed for the Office of Economic Opportunity. So, whoever wants to answer that can answer that.

Mr. Greenberger

Thank you, Mark.

Councilman Goode

First question is, for the Philadelphia Home Rule Charter, when are the annual Disparity Study and Participation Goals due?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

You said when are they due?

Councilman Goode

For the Home Rule Charter.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Well, the disparity study is due 30 days before the end of the fiscal year.

Councilman Goode

So, that would be 117 the last day of May?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes.

Councilman Goode

When will they be done this year?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

They should be done by the end of April in anticipation of the need to review the document.

Councilman Goode

My question is, when will it be done? The Home Rule Charter says that the annual Disparity Study Participation Goals must be done --

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes.

Councilman Goode

30 days before the end of the year. They have not been done 30 days before the end of the year over the last two years. So, my question is, when will they be done this year?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

It will be done by the end of May.

Councilman Goode

So, we will receive it by the end of May?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

If not before.

Councilman Goode

Okay. Last year it was done in October; is that correct? 118

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That's correct.

Councilman Goode

According to the Disparity Study that was released in October, which area of contract had the highest recommended goal for DB participation? Was it Public Works? Was it personal and professional services or was it service, supplies and equipment?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

It was probably service, supplies and equipment with the Waste Management contracts.

Councilman Goode

The question was the goal. For the Disparity Study that was released in October, which area of contracting had the largest recommended goal for DB participation?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Typically it is professional services.

Councilman Goode

I can hand it to you.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The goal here stated in the Disparity Study was 30 percent for service, supplies, and equipment.

Councilman Goode

My first question 119 was -- That is my next question. The first question was, what area of contracting had the highest recommended goal?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The area of contracting was service, supplies, and equipment.

Councilman Goode

What was the recommended goal?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

30 percent.

Councilman Goode

What was the goal established by OEO?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

percent. 13

Councilman Goode

Okay. Why is that? 14

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Looking at the 15 Disparity Study and looking at the 16 availability of companies that are in our 17 registry who actually sell what we buy, we 18 are -- 19

Councilman Goode

Ms. Dowd-Burton, 20 that is what the Disparity Study does. It 21 looks at all that and Econsult makes a 22 recommendation. Econsult recommended 30 23 percent. 24 What gives you the authority, either 120 administratively or legally, to change what the Disparity Study says?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The ultimate -- Obviously, the goal is for the office of Economic Opportunity to maximize level participation on all contracts that are awarded by the City, and we drive our goals based on the past history of --

Councilman Goode

My question was, first of all, administratively, who authorized you not to accept the recommendation from Econsult, which said it should be 30 percent?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

We work with the Mayor's Office of Economic Opportunity.

Councilman Goode

So, the goal came in at 30 percent, who said -- I'm sorry. The recommendation came in at 30 percent. Who said you can change it to 25?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

We adopt the City's goal of percent, which is a stretch goal. 22

Councilman Goode

I am talking about 23 services, supplies, and equipment. 24

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I understand that, 121 sir, and we apply that goal across all departments and across all commodities.

Councilman Goode

That's not true. I am sorry. I have asked the Chair for special disposition. So, he's gonna let me go through my line of questioning. The Disparity Study came in October, several months late.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes.

Councilman Goode

The recommended goal for services, supply, and equipment was 30 percent. Who has the authority to not accept that recommendation from Econsult, administratively? In fact, who made the decision administratively?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The Office of Economic Opportunity.

Councilman Goode

Who specifically made the decision administratively not to accept Econsult's recommendation?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I did.

Councilman Goode

Can you legally do that?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I believe we can, 122 sir.

Councilman Goode

The legal frame work for setting goals, period, means that they have to be based upon Disparity Study. So, if the availability is 30 percent, how do you think you justified in setting the goal at 7 percent? 8

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Well, the 9 availability that they have identified for 10 service, supplies, and equipment for all MBEs 11 is 26 percent and for women, it's 15 12 percent. So, the fact that they have 13 identified 30 percent utilization, we could 14 not address and, therefore, went with an 15 overall goal of 25 percent for the City. 16

Councilman Goode

So, you are saying 17 Econsult's recommended goal was wrong, was 18 technically flawed? 19

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I am saying in some 20 fashion it is technically flawed. That's 21 correct. 22

Councilman Goode

Okay. Good. We're 23 gonna go down that line then. 24 What was the overall participation goal 123 recommended by Econsult?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

25 percent.

Councilman Goode

What was the goal established by OEO?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

percent. 6

Councilman Goode

So, they were right 7 then, right? 8

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Overall, yes. 9

Councilman Goode

How was the goal 10 established? 11

Ms. Dowd-Burton

It's established 12 based on the utilization of companies in our 13 registry, along with the availability of 14 firms based on what we buy from one year to 15 the next. So, we are looking at past history 16 along with driving a number of companies in 17 our registry. 18

Councilman Goode

Who does that work? 19 Econsult does that work. 20

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Who -- 21

Councilman Goode

Econsult does that 22 work to determine what the availability is? 23

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Econsult looks at the 24 level of availability based on the 124 information Office of Economic Opportunity provides them in terms of our participation reports and our OEO registry.

Councilman Goode

Then they make a recommendation?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes.

Councilman Goode

Have they ever made a recommendation of more than 30 percent -- I'm sorry, of more than percent for the 10 overall goal? 11

Ms. Dowd-Burton

They prepared a draft 12 that was higher than what we have previously 13 achieved and they revised that draft down to 14 25 percent. 15

Councilman Goode

So, they gave you a 16 draft recommendation. What you are referring 17 to is a draft recommendation, and said the 18 overall goal should be 30 percent a couple 19 years ago and you changed it to 25 percent? 20

Ms. Dowd-Burton

They changed it, 21 sir. And they changed it after for the 22 recession -- 23

Councilman Goode

That was one of the 24 late Disparity Studies we got, right? 125

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The Disparity Study you received last year was actually delayed because we asked Econsult to go back to the drawing board and look at the commodities we actually buy, look at the services we actually buy.

Councilman Goode

So, you talked them out of the 30 percent goal?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I think what we did was deliberate and concluded that based on the information that we have, the history that we have been able to drive, and if you look at the soon to be published Disparity Study --

Councilman Goode

So, you don't trust -- I am talking about past now. We're not going into the future yet. You don't trust your consultant to make the right recommendations if you have the same consultant?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Well, no, I do not agree with that at all.

Councilman Goode

If your consultant says 30 percent, then how or why do you 126 change it to percent; unless there is some reason the administration chose to create and arbitrate 25 percent goal? 4

Ms. Dowd-Burton

What we looked at, 5 Councilman, was the history of the 6 participation that we have been able to 7 drive, and as I have indicated earlier, we 8 will maximize the level of participation 9 across the board where we can. 10

Councilman Goode

But, you are not 11 going to set the goal above 25 percent? 12

Ms. Dowd-Burton

If you look at -- 13

Councilman Goode

Are you gonna set 14 the goal above 25 percent? Even if Econsult 15 says it should 30, are you ever going to set 16 the goal above 25 percent? 17

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I would say 18 absolutely, based on our track record. But 19 it has to be demonstrated. It has to be 20 based on availability. 21

Councilman Goode

That is what the 22 Disparity Study is. 23

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That's correct. Yes. 24

Councilman Goode

The last two years 127 the Disparity Study was given to us late because you asked for changes. What you asked for was to change the denominator. You asked for the numbers to change. We are not comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. You asked them to change it so the numbers would change; is that correct?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

No, that is not correct. What we asked them to do was to look at the companies that are across the region that actually sell the products we buy and they looked at the quantity of companies and based on that information, they also then looked back at previous studies and adjusted those numbers for what we buy.

Councilman Goode

Do we know what the goal would have been, had you not adjusted the numbers?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The goal would have probably been lower.

Councilman Goode

Do we know what the participation rate would have been, had you not adjusted the number?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The participation 128 rate would have been what it currently is. That is an actual number.

Councilman Goode

That is interesting. Let's go back in time a little bit. The last two Disparity Studies were late. Are you familiar with the Disparity Study that was done before that?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

No, I am not.

Councilman Goode

What do you think the goal was?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Previous Disparity Studies have been around percent. 14

Councilman Goode

Fiscal Year 10, 15 which was late, was 25 percent. Fiscal Year 16 9, was late, which was 25 percent. In at 17 least one of those years, Econsult 18 recommended 30 percent. Then you went and 19 had a talk with them and their final draft 20 says something different. 21 I am asking for Fiscal Year 8. Do you 22 know what the goal was set by Econsult? 23

Ms. Dowd-Burton

No, I do not. 24

Councilman Goode

It was 30 percent. 129

Ms. Dowd-Burton

If you look at the last four years of participation activity, we have averaged 19.9 percent.

Councilman Goode

I am talking about Fiscal Year Disparity Study. 6

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I am going back, I 7 think 8, 9, 10 and -- 8

Councilman Goode

I am talking about Fiscal Year 8 Disparity Study. That is what I am talking about right now.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Okay. I understand you are talking about the Disparity --

Councilman Goode

Were you familiar the goal was 30 percent?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

No, I was not.

Councilman Goode

Is there anyone at the table who was here then? Mr. Dow?

Councilman Goode

Well, actually, you were.

Mr. Dow

Was I here?

Councilman Goode

The Fiscal Year 8 Disparity Study is conducted after Fiscal Year 8. It's conducted related to Fiscal Year 130 8. The Fiscal Year Disparity Study was released May 15, 2009. So you were there. You were there. Mr. Greenberger, were you there?

Mr. Greenberger

I was the Chief Planner for the City. I was made acting Deputy Mayor in July of that year.

Councilman Goode

Mr. Dow, you were there.

Councilman Goode

So, the Disparity Study came in and said 30 percent. Who decided that it shouldn't be 30 percent; the goal shouldn't be 30 percent?

Mr. Dow

At the time, we had an Executive Director. That was a different gentleman, so.

Councilman Goode

You fired him after the Disparity Study came out. He got fired right after the Disparity Study came out. So, he didn't set the goal.

Mr. Dow

I will take accountability and say, yes, I established that goal.

Councilman Goode

Established what 131 goal?

Mr. Dow

The goal for the City, which was percent. 4

Councilman Goode

So, why wasn't the 5 goal 30 percent, if that's what Econsult 6 recommended? 7

Mr. Dow

For the same reasons that 8 Angela Dowd-Burton was trying to explain. 9

Councilman Goode

"Trying to 10 explain". Okay. 11 For Fiscal Year 11, what is the 12 participation rate? 13

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Fiscal year 11, the 14 participation rate was at 25.5 percent, when 15 you incorporate City and quasi public 16 agencies. For the City departments it was -- 17

Councilman Goode

I am asking overall 18 participation rate and if turn to the OEO Report that was released last 20 October. 21

Ms. Dowd-Burton

25.5 percent. 22

Councilman Goode

It's not what the 23 of the OEO Report says. 24

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That is the Operating 132 Departments, is 24.3, 6 percent.

Councilman Jones

We have given Councilman Goode a little more time because he hasn't asked a question up until you. So, we are going to indulge him a little longer here and we are gonna move on.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I welcome the conversation. Thank you, sir.

Councilman Goode

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The participation rate for Fiscal Year 11 --

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes.

Councilman Goode

Was 24.3 --

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Was 24.36 percent. Operating Department were 25.5 percent and city wide, 10.4 --

Councilman Goode

That wasn't my question. My question was, what was the participation rate total, according to this document?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

24.36 percent.

Councilman Goode

What was the total spent in terms of contract dollars?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

$682,000,000. 133

Councilman Goode

What does that number represent?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The contracts that were awarded by the Operating Departments for that fiscal year.

Councilman Goode

Does that reflect all for-profit contracting dollars?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Contracts that were awarded to for-profits during that fiscal year.

Councilman Goode

That number reflects all contracts, for-profit contract dollars?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Awarded.

Councilman Goode

That fiscal year?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Awarded that Fiscal Year, yes. There is a difference between contracts that are in place that were not awarded that fiscal year.

Councilman Goode

So, what does the spent for disadvantage businesses represent?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

$166,129,000.

Councilman Goode

That number represents what?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Contracts that were 134 awarded to them as primes and subs for that fiscal year.

Councilman Goode

So, these numbers still are not total spent numbers. They are not DB spent numbers. So, it's not an actual participation rate. It's just based upon what was in the contract?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

These dollars are based on contracts awarded. That is correct.

Councilman Goode

So, with the fraud that still exists out there, we don't know whether any of these disadvantaged businesses got paid or participated in those contracts?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Well, yes, we do. We do track payments from primes to subs manually. We get actual invoices from primes and those invoices are reviewed for inclusion of the subs.

Councilman Goode

The cases that were caught in terms of fraud went to the City Controllers Office and Inspector General's Office. You didn't catch either one of those?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

No. That is not 135 completely accurate because we reported them to the Inspector General's Office. The one that is dealing with UGI and JHS, along with another company was caught actually by the Office of Economic Opportunity -- well, was reported by us through OHCDs efforts to investigate.

Councilman Goode

OHCD caught it?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes, because it was --

Councilman Goode

So, OHCD could have reported it to the Inspector General's Office. It was not caught through your process.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

They actually reported it to us and we reported it --

Councilman Goode

But it was not caught through your process?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That is because that transaction did not come through our process.

Councilman Goode

My question is, have you caught any fraud through your process?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

We have identified some that is currently under investigation. 136 Yes, sir.

Councilman Goode

Thank you. I will continue. Thank you for the leeway, Mr. Chairman.

Councilman Jones

I know it's a passion of yours, Councilman. Chair now recognizes Councilwoman Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you very much. Good morning.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Good morning.

Mr. Dow

Good morning.

Mr. Greenberger

Good morning.

Councilwoman Brown

It is no secret that we continue to have more than a strong interest in the City moving the needle around this ongoing issue. Councilman Goode and I have been here now for 12 years and it is amazing to me that each year we are still struggling with the same issue. Let's go to Dilworth Plaza. Who or what agency is monitoring MBE/WBE activity on Dilworth Plaza?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

We have an Economic Opportunity Plan with the Center City 137 District and we will be monitoring that program through Gilbane. They have a meeting scheduled regularly and we identify the minorities and women on that project, the work that they will be doing on that project, when we expect them to show up and be paid for that. We will be getting that information. One of things that we have in our Economic Opportunity Committees is a role for the members of City Council who represent the districts that projects are in to participate on those committees so that we can keep City Council --

Councilwoman Brown

Informed?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

-- informed. So we certainly welcome the inclusion of any City Council member or their staff on that project.

Councilwoman Brown

Councilwoman Tasco and I in past years raised, and others, questions around nonprofits that do business with principally DHS and Department of Health. 138 Provide us an update, briefly, because the clock is always ticking, of where that process is; what progress has been made to hold nonprofits accountable for those tenants of the Mayor's Executive Order?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Well, you are familiar with the work that we did last year where we had the top 100 nonprofits come in to talk about their need for a supplier development program, and from that meeting, we were able to identify some key concerns that they had. In terms of identifying qualified companies. How much of a priority is this in setting up systems to track them. So, from that meeting, we had a follow-up meeting where we brought in 60 minority and women owned businesses to introduce to these nonprofits to say, these are the caliber of companys, these are the services and products they provide, and these are some of the individuals that we would like you to consider when you are setting up your supplier diversity programs.

Councilwoman Brown

As a point of 139 information and footnote, I would add, that was because we heard from too many nonprofit heads that they couldn't find and locate --

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That's correct.

Councilwoman Brown

-- qualified, reliable MBE/WBEs that had the capacity.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That's correct.

Councilwoman Brown

So, thank you for showing them that they actually do exist in the City of Philadelphia.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Absolutely. It was very productive meeting and from that we then move to the Operating Departments. Deputy Mayor Don Schwartz and his team have actively put together a document that was sent out across nonprofit portfolio to canvas all of these nonprofits, and there are about 400 of them, to No. 1, look at their executive body and the demographics of their leadership team. To look at their board composition. To also look at their supplier diversity program.

Councilwoman Brown

Yes.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

And to identify a 140 base line that we can launch an improvement or an increase in the level of supplier diversity. Once we have a holistic understanding of what that market is driving. So, that documentation has come in and it is being systematized over the next few days and weeks, and by the time the Deputy Mayor comes in to speak, he should be able to share some additional conclusions with you. But we are working with him on that project.

Councilwoman Brown

So, is that group still meeting or that was just the first phase of --

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That was first phase.

Councilwoman Brown

-- responding to the issue?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The first phase was their physical presence and eye-to-eye contact. Second was introduce them to companies that are ready, willing, and able to serve. Third was to document where you are right now to setup a base line, and then the next step is to move forward in driving 141 that level of supplier diversity forward to increase it.

Councilwoman Brown

So, now the responsibility sits with the Deputy Mayor Schwartz?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That's correct, and the other Deputy Mayors that actually manage and monitor nonprofit contacts. But he has the majority of them.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you for your testimony. I will wait for the next round again because I have subsequent questions on this topic. Thank you, Mr. President.

Council President Clarke

Thank you Councilwoman. Chair recognizes Council Member Kenney. Council Member is not here at the moment. Chair recognizes Council Member Greenlee.

Councilman Greenlee

Thank you, Mr. President. Good afternoon. I'm gonna go in a little different direction for a minute. In 142 the written testimony, you talk about the Mayor's Youth Employment Program. Could you give a little more detail on that? You talk about financial incentives,, you know, maybe get into a little bit how somebody would apply, if you have that, Dow, or figured out yet?

Mr. Dow

Yes. That is a new program that we are initiating. We anticipate that will start out in May of this year, initiating the application process. We are looking to -- If you are familiar with the Facade Program the storefront improvement program that Commerce Department runs, we facilitate that through the use of Community Development Corporations. We actually train them to understand what that product is. They go out, work with businesses to say, we have a product that the City offers for improvement of your facade building. We are gonna do something similar with the Mayor's Youth Employment Program, where we will make available resources to them to do a matching grant for businesses 143 to, one, engages them and leverages private money. But to offer them the opportunity to higher youth within a certain age frame, probably within a certain demographic. Meaning, those that are more prone for the challenges of life that they may have, and then also maybe in a demographic way, sort of might concentrate within the police districts that have the higher crime rates. But then all of that, that is City wide though, but there might be some focus on that. They issue an application, businesses will be able to come in and fill out an application, tell us that they will higher somebody at a particular rate. That is all within our qualifications. We will verify that, sign off on that. They will higher, we will then reimburse them.

Councilman Greenlee

How do you get the youth, would it be through schools or?

Mr. Dow

Yeah. One, we believe that because this is a program geared towards neighborhood and commercial based, commercial corridor based businesses, they already know 144 the youth in their community. So, one, that is one aspect. We know that they already understand who in their communities; they have people knocking on the door, can I get a job. Kids in the neighborhood and so forth.

Councilman Greenlee

So, you would be working with the businesses?

Mr. Dow

Yeah, we work with the businesses.

Councilman Greenlee

It also mentions a portion of this program will provide matching grants to fund youth internships in City Council this summer?

Mr. Dow

That's our hope. We are working towards that as well.

Councilman Greenlee

I assume you are working through Council President.

Mr. Dow

Yes, and Councilman Jones in that regard.

Councilman Greenlee

Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President.

Council President Clarke

Thank you, Councilman. The chair recognizes Council Member Oh. 145

Councilman Oh

Thank you, Mr. President. I am just gonna ask some big picture, big vision questions. I am just curious, and I don't know the limitations and constraints that you are under. So, I understand that you did visit in China City. Did you get a chance to see the construction of the Songdo City section?

Mr. Greenberger

I stayed there.

Councilman Oh

Okay. Pretty impressive.

Mr. Greenberger

Pretty impressive. More than pretty impressive.

Councilman Oh

1,500 acres $40 billion dollars, totally sustainable, alternative energy, green City, biotech center on reclaimed land from the sea on its Waterfront. Bustling port, huge international airport. 2.8 million people, 5,000 manufacturing companies. So, you know, the question is, what is our big picture big vision for Philadelphia?

Mr. Greenberger

It is probably not reclaiming that much land from the sea. 146 Although we do have to reclaim some to make the airport expansion work. I think -- It's a tough question, but I will give it a try. I think that the big picture for Philadelphia is that manufacturing at that scale is not where our future likely is, and just one side note about in China, of course, that you know, is that while in China itself is a city of 2.8 million, it sits side by side with Saul, which is a city of 10, 12. Something --

Councilman Oh

Combined, million 13 people. 14

Mr. Greenberger

So, it is serving a 15 pretty big metropolitan area. Truly they are 16 side by side cities. I think Philadelphia 17 needs to see itself less in those terms 18 because that is not where our population -- 19 our population base isn't even remotely close 20 to that. 21 I think we need to see ourselves in 22 terms of other cities that are of similar 23 size, that have a kind of international 24 standing sometimes for different sectors and 147 the examples I often use are cities like Milan, which is an industrial center in Italy. Barcelona, which has a pretty broad mix. These are cities that a little more million-five, two million kind of population. Mixed economies. Ours clearly is heavily vested in education, bioscience research, clinical medical practices. That is kind of the No. 1, that is the No. 1 entity, and that is where I think we have to continue to be paying a lot of attention to. Happily, we have institutions behind those things and we don't -- we have to support them, but we don't have to sort of make it happen for them. As you get to the next set of levels, you are looking at, in terms of bases of employment, Government professional services, hospitality, those. I want to emphasize something about the hospitality side and ultimately the industrial side, which includes the specialty manufacturing that goes on here, as well as the distribution, 148 which is a significant piece. Utilities and repair work. Those two, industrial and hospitality, are the two places -- and to an extent the health side as well, are the places where we have the most opportunity for creating more entry level jobs. I think that is where the greatest need is in this City. In the end, our institution is not going to have a problem finding Ph.D.'s to do high level research in any field they want. They are big, famous institutions. They know what they're doing. The Unemployment statistics are really bad at the other end and we have to create far more, what I characterize as gateway jobs, for people. Get in the work force, get used to it, be happy with it, and hopefully advance yourself from there, and some of them too, I think, with that experience, and it shows up. I mean, in my career as architect, this showed up regularly on construction sites that when people are on construction sites, it occurs to some of them that they 149 can do a better job doing what their boss is doing, and they go out and form companies. That is the kind of culture that we need to foster. In that particular instance you can't do it if you are not on the site seeing it first hand.

Councilman Oh

In light of the fact that we do have this increasing number of creative and innovative persons and we have a preexisting University culture and whatnot, are there any plans to develop larger sections of the City to make them high-tech, sustainable, hour, global; do we have any 15 plans for developing our City so that we can 16 grow our economy? 17

Mr. Greenberger

Well, obviously, 18 there are places in the City that we and the 19 private sector are heavily invested in and 20 things like that. Like the University of 21 City Science Center. So, you always want to 22 be paying attention to that and making sure 23 that those things are healthy. 24 I would say to the other part of the 150 question, there is not a plan that sort of says, here's a place and we are gonna make, let's say, a tech sector thing happen there. Those sectors grow very organically, often from young entrepreneurial people, particularly on the technology side. What we need to do is find them and support them and I think let that organic growth happen where they are most comfortable with it happening. To me, that is a more important thing than us sort of designating a place and then saying, you know, and pretending that we have massive resources to put into it, which we don't, to sort of force something to be. I think that these things are, you know, as you look at where people are locating, you see that the decisions that more entrepreneurial people are making to locate are frequently exactly where it's been forever, which is that lower cost environments, parts of the City that have been way undervalued for a long time are becoming popular again because of the kind of space that is available, the kind of life 151 that's available and the affordance or affordability, are significant. So, people gravitate to those places. It doesn't hurt that a number of them are also connected by transit. So that there is an ability to really get around. We, for instance, have, and I don't confess to know exactly where this is centered. We have an emerging serious market in video game design. Largely because Drexel University has a very powerful program in it and those young people probably start out in and around West Philadelphia and some of them stay, some of them migrate to less expensive corridors. Some of them are in those 43 incubators that I mentioned.

Councilman Oh

I want to take more time, but I will come back. Thank you.

Mr. Greenberger

I would be happy to.

Council President Clarke

Real quick before I call the next Council Member. I just want to follow-up on a couple of the issues you referenced in response to Councilman Oh. 152 You talked about the need to enhance the opportunities for what we believe would be stronger for growth industries, health sciences, health care, the institutions associated with that, I agree with you 100 percent. The question is, and I know that you are not in charge of the educational aspect of the City, but as we move ahead, is there some coordination between the Commerce Department, who is hopefully the facilitator of this job growth and the school districts last education. So these young me do get prepared for entry level, as I referenced in an earlier hearing. We talked about, went over Representative Kenyatta Johnson's district and to the job core. It was like stunning. That was my first time there and they had like 300 young people in the job core, and 80 percent of that was focused on entry level health care positions. So my question is, you know, you have this position which I agree with and I 153 understand that you may not be able to answer the question right now.

Mr. Greenberger

I will give a little bit of an answer.

Council President Clarke

The administration focuses on, and our interaction with the school district, getting people educated for jobs that are really there, not just teaching so they can pass the test and not really have the likely opportunity outside of your final educational process. The second one, you referenced high tech jobs, entrepreneurs, being in a position. You said the City does not have probably the right resources to enhance. My understanding is that we are in a position where we can conceivably get up to two KOZ zones. Is your office working to possibly look at sites where we could create a KOZ. I think that is the biggest resource anybody can offer anybody where you don't have to pay any taxes. 154 Are you looking at that as a possibility of locating in the area where the likelihood that those young entrepreneurs or other high tech facilities would locate?

Mr. Greenberger

Second question first, the answer is, yes. We are reviewing all of the existing KOZs in the City and trying to corollate either time extensions, geographic extensions or I think in a very limited number of instances, new ones, to the State Law, which I have to admit is confusing even to state legislators, let alone to us, but we are trying to get to the bottom of it so we can make very specific recommendations about which KOZs need to be extended in time, which KOZs need to have geography added to them or specific sites added to them. As you know, there is an inevitable tension between developments that want to happen and are looking for KOZ assistance to make them happen, which may or may not have anything to do with small entrepreneurial community.

Council President Clarke

Met with one 155 yesterday.

Mr. Greenberger

I don't need to know who it is. There is always that tension and I think that is something we are going to have to sort out together. But we are absolutely looking at it trying to make a definitive set of recommendations related to KOZ. The other question --

Council President Clarke

Particularly related to what you reference as a possibility at it relates to high tech and entrepreneurs with new.

Mr. Greenberger

If I can pursue a different idea that we are actively pursuing right now. We have done a fair bit of research over the last year talking to people who are in venture capital and trying to get a better handle on, well, what is the problem here. Why don't we have more venture capital activity in the City that would support entrepreneurial activity and you know, different cities have different issues. New York has a space issue because space is really expensive. It doesn't seem 156 to be our issue, although there are some space related things. What we have seen consistently is that there a gap in funding between what has been characterized to me by one pretty successful venture capital guy as the end of your Mastercard, like when you have maxed out, and the beginning of Angel Investing, who are really looking for a more concrete business opportunity. There is a gap. It's often several hundred thousand dollars at a time. So, what we have been doing and in this case "we" refers to PIDC with John Grady and I have been working on this, is starting to talk to foundations and private venture capital to see whether we can pull a significant piece of money between public, private, and foundation money to create a pool that would specifically address that funding gap. We have heard it time and again as being one of the critical issues in this City. So, it is not a KOZ related thing, it's a funding gap coming out research that 157 we have done. The other question earlier came up while you were still up at 9th and Berks, I think, and that is we partner very seriously with Work Force Development Corporation, Mark Edwards was up here speaking. We are actively looking, while we are reorganizing that entity, we are actively looking for ways that the educational, training needs, vocational training needs, for instance, for some of these entry level health care jobs can be better imbedded in the school system. I can't remember that he mentioned, is it also a very productive thing with the community college, who are at the moment at least more nimble and able to produce that kind of training in the schools. We have to get it back into the schools, but as you know, that's a harder --

Council President Clarke

I am asking because given the high dropout rate and a lot of it has to do with there's just not an interest in the young people as they progress through high school, and I didn't invent 158 this, a lot of people have been talking about it. You're talking about construction trades and the reality is, I don't know why there is a reason why a young person should not be able to come out of high school and be prepared to take the apprenticeship test for the building trades. There is no reason why, as opposed to coming out and then have to go to -- where is that? Up in east jabip, northeast, one of the facilities where they have to do a year or two years up there. They need to be able to come out of there and take that test. Similarly, when I talked about the job core earlier in Councilman's district, a significant number of those individuals were in that class had not completed high school. They were getting their GEDs concurrent with them getting training. So, a big part of our ability to keep people in schools that have a level of interest where there is some likelihood where there is a job at the end of the day or some higher educational opportunity. 159 So, that is what I am talking about school district primarily.

Mr. Greenberger

You are entirely right.

Council President Clarke

It is good to hear that I am "entirely right".

Mr. Greenberger

Entirely.

Council President Clarke

Chair recognizes Council Member Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you, Council President. Just a couple questions. How are you doing, Alan?

Mr. Greenberger

Fine. How are you?

Councilman Johnson

How are you doing, Karen and Angela?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Good.

Councilman Johnson

First, I commend you for what you have been doing. So, just in that capacity, just thank you for being here and the work that you are doing for our City just in general. A couple things. Since we have Mark here with us today, Mark, do you mind taking the stage? Now, you're currently, as the Commerce Department in 160 general, your request is how much?

Mr. Greenberger

The entire request request is $252,000,000, of which $248 is passed along to other entities.

Councilman Johnson

That is an increase of how much?

Mr. Greenberger

Actually, I don't think it is an increase.

Councilman Johnson

It's a net increase of -- it is in your testimony.

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah. If you gave me a minute I can explain that. Bear with me, or if you like I can just come back to it.

Councilman Johnson

I will wait.

Mr. Greenberger

Okay. There is actually -- in the testimony it talks about a net decrease of $5.4 million dollars. That is all in. That is everything, and included in that are, I believe, please one of my staff correct me if I am wrong. That included in that is an anticipated decrease in Federal funding.

Councilman Johnson

So, separate from the net increase of $7,401,493. Sorry, I'm 161 here to present testimony.

Mr. Greenberger

None of that is actually Commerce operations.

Councilman Johnson

Not directed towards Commerce?

Mr. Greenberger

I wish it was, but it is not.

Councilman Johnson

All right. I will come back to why I am asking that particular question to follow-up on the issues regarding youth employment. I want to start off with Mark regarding the new merge of Philadelphia Works. Trying to get a status update. There has been some challenges, but from my understanding, you have already been doing some work internally in terms of your own evaluation, your own auditing of the Philadelphia Work Force Development Corporation, as well as the Philadelphia --

Mr. Edwards

Work Force Investment Board?

Councilman Johnson

Work Force Investment Board. 162

Councilman Johnson

So, give me an idea just to lay the back drop. I do know you have, your funding has been cut significantly on a Federal level. So one, I won't name individual names in this context of me doing my questioning. But, are we working with our Federal agencies and our Federal elected officials to try to, one, restore that type of funding that has been cut. That is my first question. I do understand that the actual -- there's been a cut back in earning centers from nine to six. If you can elaborate on what we are doing to actually address that issue from a supportive standpoint is why I am asking you these questions, and also in terms of your plan, your new plan to address some of those changes that have taken place with the new Philly Works Program that the administration have rolled out. How are we engaging employers to participate in your program, via greater Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce, 163 African-American Chamber of Commerce, the greater Philadelphia Hispanic Chamber of Commerce? Are we engaging them to utilize your program and get people employed.

Councilman Johnson

And, Mark, talk about your recommendations. Let's put the pew report to the side. Let's talk about what you already started, the former that came before the pew report.

Mr. Edwards

Yeah, there is a lot in there.

Councilman Johnson

The key highlights.

Mr. Edwards

In terms of what we are doing to engage members, supportive stakeholders at the Federal level in what is happening. We have been engaged, my team and I have been engaged in a number of information sessions and briefings at the Federal, State and local level, and by local I mean certain members of Council in the process now of meeting with a number of members of Council just to make them aware of 164 all of the changes that are going on. Both in terms of funding at the State level which is really a function of the decrease in funding that's happening at the federal level. At the Federal level, we are addressing issues now around the reauthorization of Work Force Investment Act, which funds and provides guidelines for how all of our dollars are operated. So, we are in communication with both a Federal level so that we can give them our opinion and our perspective on how that legislation should be changed in support of the work force system. We do that through the voices of the private sector, representatives who serve on our Board of Directors and we give staff input in that as well. The second question that you raised, which is with regard to the Earn Centers and the reduction in State funding. Just on the earn side alone, we received a 52 percent reduction in funding for that system and we went through a fairly rigorous and objective process to determine how we would make the system smaller. How we 165 would get to the point of six Earn Centers and identify the three that would not remain. We are working with the Mayor's office, we are working with people from the Department of Public Welfare. My organization serves the pleasure of the Department of Public Welfare through a contract that we have with them. So, they're major stakeholders in this whole --

Councilman Johnson

At the State level, correct?

Mr. Edwards

At the State level, correct. So, they are major stakeholders in this process and we are working with them to make sure that there is geographical representation and dispersion across the City of Philadelphia to be able to provide services to those clients. They themselves are going through a series of policy shifts at the State level to prioritize how they are going to allow their dollars to support the Public Work Force System. It's called a work first approach, 166 which means that if ten people who receive cannas (ph) assistance want to continue to receive that assistance, then they have to demonstrate the fact that they are actively engaged in work search as defined by the Commonwealth or actually have a job in order to continue to receive those benefits. It is a major shift from the way that we have operated in the past because we have been able to put more of our dollars that we get from the State in the kinds of programs that would allow people to get training, additional training that they would need because of their own skill levels. Those are some of the things that are happening at that level. With regard to the Pew Report. The Pew Report, to a large degree, confirms things that we already knew. In April of 2011, we publicly posted an assessment that was done at the Philadelphia Work Force System that was engaged by members of administration and members of our local Work Force Investment board to identify a national consultant to 167 come in and look at ways in which we operate so that we can identify opportunities for improvement of our system. That was done. Some of those recommendations centered around providing a single point of leadership for the Public Work Force System so it wasn't as complex as it was before because you have a number of different organizations doing a number of different things related to actually making investments in the Work Force System to doing public policy, research and data collection and analysis of the Public Work Force System. So, the first recommendation was to provide a single leader over the entire system --

Councilman Johnson

Who is that?

Mr. Edwards

That would be me, going forward. That starts July 1st. The second recommendation was to merge the two organizations together, so that policy data and research drives investments.

Councilman Johnson

And that will be Philadelphia Works? 168

Mr. Edwards

That will be Philadelphia Works. The actual physical merger occurred last week. So, the staff, we were formerly located at 1601 Market Street, are now in my location. The Board, a consolidation of the Boards was another recommendation. It was just a number of boards responsible for all of those things I just described. The Boards as a result of a combined board meeting that Alan spoke of earlier that he serves on, at his March 21st Board meeting, executed all of the required legal documents, plan of merger, articles of merger to consolidate all of those boards into a single board. Now we have a single board responsible for policy investment, accountability for impact of the Public Work Force Systems as opposed to the three boards it consisted of.

Councilman Johnson

Is there a summary of this merger and where you are at?

Mr. Edwards

There are a number of documents that we have, a transition plan that talks about the progress that we've made 169 and I can make that available.

Councilman Johnson

Council President also created a Jobs Commission. Will this play a role in any capacity as we move forward to get folks back on the employment roles of Philadelphia?

Mr. Edwards

It is my understanding that a meeting is going to be coming up later this month. At that meeting of that Commission we will be having those discussions.

Council President Clarke

I am not sure. I know we passed an ordinance and a charter change to initiate it, but we are still dealing with the nuances of the particulars in the actual naming of the individuals and all of the internal things that we in Government tend to go through. So we are close, right?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes. I thought that was very well put.

Council President Clarke

Yeah, I am trying to keep that in-house stuff in-house.

Mr. Greenberger

We appreciate that. 170 Trying to give you credit.

Councilman Johnson

Just one other thing. You mentioned the Board, well, the former Board, did a lot of advocacy on behalf of Philadelphia Work Force Development Corporation.

Mr. Edwards

On behalf of the Work Force System in general.

Councilman Johnson

How is that gonna look moving forward? Is it the same setup, because I haven't met anyone, even in the capacity of me being a State Representative, from the Board coming to my office on a State level saying, hey, and I have been through three budgets. No one has come to my office on a state level and said, State Representative Johnson, can you advocate for X, Y, Z program. I am trying to figure out, do they pick certain people they go to, or --

Councilman Johnson

How will it look going forward?

Mr. Edwards

The way it will look moving forward, and it is interesting because 171 I, just a month ago, I did a very similar presentation to the one you just described to all of the members of the Philadelphia delegation on the senate side. I have a request in right now on the house side. So, the same presentation will be done there, and as I indicated earlier, that same level of discussion is happening on an individual basis with members of Council.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you.

Mr. Edwards

Particularly the new members of City Council.

Councilman Johnson

You don't have to answer this --

Council President Clarke

Council Member, you're way beyond.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you, Council President. As we move forward, if you can give me some numbers for what some of the goals look like.

Councilman Johnson

Will we have another round?

Council President Clarke

Yes, sir. 172 Absolutely. We still have a full board, so I am trying --

Councilman Johnson

I will save my other two questions for the next round.

Council President Clarke

Okay, Councilman, sure. Chair recognizes Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Good evening. Thank you, Council President. I will try to spread my questions out to a few rounds. You as the Commerce Department are working with many different quasi agencies and different departments throughout the City of Philadelphia, and you know, it is kind of hard just in my short time here and experience, it is kind of hard to pinpoint who is the point of contact for somebody and obviously you would point -- you would say all right, this is the Commerce Department. Is the Commerce Department the point of contact for the City of Philadelphia when it comes to attracting businesses? I know I have seen your website, which I am gonna talk about in the second as a follow-up. You 173 know, PIDC offers many, many opportunities for emerging businesses and starting up businesses for short term capital, which is great. Is the Commerce Department the department to call for any business-related questions or support in the City of Philadelphia?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes, it is, and particularly on the business attraction side, we understand, because we have many partners out there; PIDC being one; Select Greater Philadelphia; the governors action team in Harrisburg, often, sometimes, those requests particularly around business attraction or developments, sometimes those requests filter through those agencies first, but we have a very strong network, working network of communications that get to us very fast. But if somebody asks you, yes, it the Department of Commerce.

Councilman Henon

To follow-up that, who is promoting the City of Philadelphia as far as the boots on the ground and making a 174 phone calls to attract businesses here to, you know, get them to come, not necessarily just to the region, because I know some of the aforementioned partners are more regionally.

Mr. Greenberger

Yes.

Councilman Henon

Which is imperative, and I believe it is great for Philadelphia when you have a vibrant and strong economic engine, you know, for a region. So, does the Commerce Department have somebody who is actually making phone calls, who is looking at your long-term Strategic Business Plan and attracting businesses to the City of Philadelphia, especially with some of the great work this body has done in making it a little more business friendly and attractive to business start up?

Mr. Greenberger

The answer is, yes, we do that largely through our partnership with PIDC. People like select do figuring, but you are right they have, I guess, a mixed agenda. They are interested in City of Philadelphia, but they are also interested in 175 the region and we sometimes can't put the them in cross purposes with their own mission statement. But, every day this is what we do with PIDC. They have staff that are dedicated to business attraction and development, so do we. We work together all the time on doing this and I would say, you know, there are a number of initiatives out there. The one I would want to highlight, I apologize if I am repeating myself, is this idea that we think there are a lot of suburban firms who need to be attracting young talent who lives in the City and we have a list of who they are. We have started to methodically go out and talk to them and start to push this argument and we are starting to find it has resonance. The one we met with month-and-a-half ago is actively now looking for what I would call a sort of gateway presence in the City and we think once they do it and the talent they do find that wants to be here is secure in that we think those entities will grow in the City. 176

Councilman Henon

I have a two part question coming up here. All right, so, in collaboration with Greater Select and Chamber of Commerce and the Business Bureau, when you use our resources, you know, City of Philadelphia resources for marketing and promotion and attracting businesses and some of it, you know, transcends, you know, the region outside of Philadelphia. Do you have a breakdown on the dollars? Do you have a cost analysis on what's been done regionally as opposed to the City of Philadelphia; so you can say, hey, look, you know, regionally we attracted X amount of dollars through all our efforts and, you know, the City of Philadelphia has directed or has benefited, you know, X amount of dollars in residual spent on all our efforts collaborately put together.

Mr. Greenberger

Don't have them regionally because, to be honest, our focus is the City of Philadelphia.

Councilman Henon

I know. That is the answer I want to hear. I know regionally 177 does contribute as well to the City of Philadelphia in it is fine amenities. I mean, it's great amenities that we have, but I would like to see it sort of have a ratio of dollars spent, you know, back to the City of Philadelphia as opposed to regionally; if you have that provided?

Mr. Greenberger

I know there is nothing I can put finger on right now, but if you don't mind, maybe we can just have an off-line conversation a little bit about more specificity on what you might be looking for and maybe we can pull something together.

Councilman Henon

We can certainly talk off-line. One final question, Council President, if I can, and I will wait for the second round. We offer, as a City many, well, several, place base incentives. Do yo have -- Are many people taking advantage of that and do you have in the long-term, short-term, are they taking advantage of these place base initiatives or incentives that we have here in the City of Philadelphia as -- 178

Mr. Greenberger

Give me an example of a place base of what are you talking about?

Councilman Henon

We have KOZs, we have empowerment zones, we have community incentives, you know. Notwithstanding, which I will get to the second round, some of our commercial corridors is important to not just the Council President, but this body and the districts that we represent.

Mr. Greenberger

I would say that there is not a single answer to that question, unfortunately. I think some of the place based incentives work extremely well and when you do look at the ones that do work very well, they are inevitably tied to a strong market base that says, I want to be in that place anyway and now looking for additional incentives is going to make this more competitive with, you know, some other place. Particularly some other place out of town. I think honestly there are, for instance, I think there is some KOZs that are under performers. I think that there is both 179 good stories and, but not as fast as anybody would want, related to some of the empowerment zones. It's a mixed picture. It always ties back to, is there a real market in the first place. The incentive itself generally doesn't create the market. So it has got to be in combination.

Councilman Henon

Are your market studies up-to-date and current with some of your long-term business planning, strategic planning?

Mr. Greenberger

Probably not as up-to-date as the question that you are asking, I suspect.

Councilman Henon

Okay. I have no 17 further questions for this round.

Council President Clarke

Thank you, Councilman. Chair recognizes Councilwoman Sanchez.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Thank you, Mr. President. I want to -- First I want to thank you for the work, particularly around our commercial corridors and our immigrant 180 business work. I think you will agree it's been very fruitful, both the pilot in the Northeast with the Russian speaking community, and now the work being done with the work being done with the Portuguese, Brazilian community and the lower part of the Northeast. I think this is demonstrating that there is a lot of people that are going to the spirit of the conversation around, how do you promote entrepreneurship in the City? These communities have proven to be key in helping us revitalize those small kind of neighborhood corridors. I want to thank you for your indulgence, as you know, some of us have advocated for those, and the work that you have done with us as it relates to them. For me it is important, you know, the money is going to be tight. We are gonna have to, you know, when the Comp plan comes in, we are gonna see many of the cuts and I will ask a little bit about how those Comp plan cuts are gonna impact the work the Commerce Department does. 181 But, can you provide for us an update, I have not seen one recently, of where we are with our cultural fund bond money?

Mr. Greenberger

Mm-hmm.

Councilwoman Sanchez

What projects were completed? Which ones were not? Have we begun to reallocate that money? I haven't been consulted, I know I have some projects that haven't moved. So, I think we now have to become very strategic about what we do and as we finalize this budget, what we have. So, I think particularly for my newer colleagues, having that update of what's the money that was out there, what was pending is important. So, I am going to ask that you submit that to the Chair and I am particularly interested around American Street corridor. Unfortunately or fortunately, we still have money going back to Bill Clinton's Empowerment Zone. I am particularly interested, I know you put out an RFP for a consultant. Can you explain that? Does anybody have an update about how 182 much money is there? These are monies that don't go through our general fund. Sometimes we forget they are there, except me.

Mr. Dow

Well, except us too. (Laughter.) The Empowerment Zone funding has been there for well over, at this point, ten years. It is distributed through three geographic areas; American Street zone, the North Philadelphia zone and the West Philadelphia zone. All three are managed by community trust boards, which the Commerce Department is intimately involved in and it's managed by Ayesha Heran Miller, and our department. So, each individual, and I know I have it right here off the top of my head, but each individual zone has its own allocation of funding and resources. Some have done very very well with that. What I mean in terms of spending it their accounts down to very little resources left over. Some have a little bit more. Again, we look at the American Street 183 zone as one of our better performing ones. They have done a very good job in getting their grants dollars out the door. They have done a very good job with their Financial Services Department, which is now called Finata, and so we can get you information about the individual organizations and where they are spending wise and so forth. Each has a community board, trust board --

Councilwoman Sanchez

RFP? Somebody stopped me. There was a RFP put out for American Street corridor for some sort of facilitator?

Mr. Dow

That was an RFP specifically for American Street. So, they themselves put out an RFP for a consultant to help them develop a plan at this point in time. The idea is that those funds were used to be there in perpetuity. So, you have the first ten years, that is beyond us now. You've got to look now to perpetuity. How do you balance the financial side with the grant making side? What types of loans -- excuse me, what types of grants 184 do you make. We are intimately involved in trying to drive that from a philosophical perspective. So, we all met and complement what the City of Philadelphia is doing through the Commerce Department and our grant making activities and our commercial corridors activities. So they are looking to get some help in that and that is the RFP they put out.

Councilwoman Sanchez

For me, it becomes very important again. You haven't yet touched around our cultural corridor money. I think it is important that when we are doing and engaging in these planning process, I got a call that the RFP was out. I didn't know they needed planning. I would have gladly offered my skills to go in and plan, but it is important that what they are looking to do or what they are envisioning alines with some of the projects I am working on in the area and the other departments. This is one of those times where we've got to make sure, sometimes we go back and connect the dots and make sure that, 185 for instance, you know, I have been very deliberate in taking care of 5th Street and Front Street and American Street. How do we tie it altogether. With the decrease of funding, I want to be able to pull that all together and I think there should be a high level discussion of where we really are, where we want to go so that I have an opportunity to weigh in and leverage the resources.

Mr. Greenberger

You know, American Street is a good example of a corridor that at one end I think has been pretty successful in attracting some small industrial businesses. Another end is under lots of other kinds of development pressure. We need to -- I have to talk to you more about it. We need to reconcile those things because the pressure is for real. It might even be good, but we have to be careful.

Councilwoman Sanchez

You know, my time is up, but I do want get back to, as we move forward around job creation, and you know, I took notes around your envisioning. 186 While I agree with Council President, we want the hospitals, the biotechs. All of those require high level educational attainment and are geared to people coming in. I want to continue to go back to the conversation that you mentioned, Alan, around manufacturing and the story that was out. Well, I hear that story from the manufacturers every single day. We need folks to act, and so in my next round, I want to talk a little bit about this, because we talk about work force development and obviously the initiative the President has on this job piece, we have left out of this conversation Philadelphia Youth Network. When I was in this business, I am going to age myself now, years ago, all of that 18 money was together; career training and 19 education, what Philadelphia Youth Network 20 has, what PWDC has, and what WIB has and there was so much money during the Clinton administration that we created all these entities and now we need to go back because you have four different entities impacting 187 work force development in the City and I am not sure we are connecting those dots, and manufacturing is one of those low hanging fruits. At any given time there is 500 to 700 jobs available in the manufacturing sector that they can't find people for.

Mr. Greenberger

I believe it.

Council President Clarke

Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman. Chair recognizes Council Member Greene.

Councilman Greene

Thank you, Mr. President. A quick question about a specific line item in your budget or a couple issues and then I have broader questions about economic development. The proposed budget includes a new half million grant for the Delaware River Waterfront. A fairly big increase in this budget climate. What will this $500,000 fund?

Mr. Greenberger

This is funding DRWC general operations. It existed under another budget prior and we moved it to Commerce 188 because I think there was a sense that it probably more appropriately belonged here and was just more visible.

Councilman Greene

Where is it coming from?

Mr. Greenberger

It is coming from general fund.

Councilman Greene

No. 9

Mr. Greenberger

Oh, which department did it come from?

Councilman Greene

Yes.

Mr. Greenberger

I am pretty sure it came from Public Property. You want to talk to that?

Ms. Reinhardt

Yes. Good afternoon, Councilman. Rebecca Reinhardt, Budget Director. The $500,000 for the DRWC had been given as a contribution of the City. So, it hadn't been budgeted separately. So, we wanted to budget it. We needed to budget it. It was something that increases transparency. So, it had been paid before, but it wasn't in a specific budget.

Councilman Greene

How is that 189 possible?

Ms. Reinhardt

There are certain contributions that are sometimes made out -- that are made as one-time payments out of the budget and, you know, that is the historical practice of it. They are smaller contributions. But, again, this is something that when I looked at it and said this is something that we want to pay every year, it needs to go into the budget line item. So, it is something that we wanted to change.

Councilman Greene

So, that's the broader question for Mr. Greenberger. Why do we want to pay this every year? What services -- What is the City getting for $500,000 to the Delaware River Waterfront Corporation and why are the dollars better spent there than anywhere else that we might want to spend it, like business attraction or something else?

Mr. Greenberger

I think going back several years now, we and the community as a whole have invested a lot of time and attention in creating a plan for the redevelopment of the Waterfront and one of 190 the things that has to happen, particularly in this environment, is that there need to be entities or individuals who are actively organizing development possibilities. We do it in Commerce related to certain specific areas like Market East and North Broad the Waterfront Corporation is the entity that can do it specifically related to the Waterfront, sites like Spring Garden, the Festival Pier site, Penns Landing site. They are in a position to be promoting, organizing development, organizing investments that have to be made and properties to make them ready for development. That is part of what our money is paying for.

Councilman Greene

I'm sorry. It seems to me that $500,000 wouldn't nearly cover investments in properties that need to be made.

Mr. Greenberger

No, no. It's not --

Councilman Greene

So, the question is, what is $500,000 that we are giving to them going to be used specifically for?

Mr. Greenberger

It is to cover to 191 staff time necessary to create development possibilities.

Councilman Greene

What is "create development possibilities"?

Mr. Greenberger

Well, for example, we have a very strong interest in seeing the Festival Pier site redeveloped, but that requires -- that is not something you can put out as an RFP. That site requires some further enhancement because half of it is a pier structure, half of it is on fast land. There is management time, study time, organization time that has to be done by somebody.

Councilman Greene

How much of the $500,000 will be spent on that project?

Mr. Greenberger

I don't know. It's not apportioned that way. I don't know.

Councilman Greene

Okay. I'd like to know how that $500,000 is gonna be spent as compared to their entire budget and where their budget comes from. I guess we will deal with that on a call back if you don't have the answers today. 192

Mr. Greenberger

Okay.

Councilman Greene

The PIDC loan program. I guess this would be on Greenberger testimony , OHCD Year 28 consolidated plan presentation to City Council. On . Your testimony indicates that PIDC administer several business loan programs on behalf of the City. My understanding is that the upcoming OHCD consolidated plan includes a 6.7 million reduction in prior resources/program income due to various issues with PIDC loan programs, including tracking of outstanding balances and available resources. Can you walk us through how Commerce exercises oversight over the PIDC loan programs, PIDC administers for the City? How did this issue with PIDC, which I understand to be a situation of PIDC loaning out more than it was taking in arise, and what measures is Commerce put in place to make sure that this wouldn't happen again?

Mr. Greenberger

Why don't we start by asking John Grady to come up here and talk 193 about what is happening, if I might.

Councilman Greene

Actually, I'd like to know how Commerce -- The first question, was how does Commerce exercise oversight of PIDC loan programs PIDC administers for the City? So I think that is a question Mr. Grady can't answer.

Mr. Greenberger

Okay, I'll start with that. There are two ways. One is that the Board, Executive Board of PIDC, which consists of people; seven appointed by the 12 Mayor, eight by the Chamber of Commerce. I 13 serve on that Board as well as several 14 others, people in leadership in the City, 15 that is the body that is reviewing and approving every loan that PIDC makes. It first goes through a loan committee, then it comes to the executive committee for approval. In fact, one of the those meetings is today. So, every loan comes before that group, half of which is nominated half of which is appointed by the Mayor. The other way to do it --

Councilman Greene

That is not 194 Commerce Department oversight, that is your vote on a seven member board. What is happening at the Commerce Department to review this as compared to the loan funds available, et cetera, before your taking a vote up on down or a particular loan? The question isn't about how individual loans are issued. The question is about overall supervisory role the Commerce Department is playing and what you described was how loans are actually approved or not approved, which is a different question than the question asked. So, what is Commerce doing to supervise and make sure the loan program is complying with having the money necessary and available complying with the rules, et cetera?

Mr. Greenberger

I think the most critical thing we do is we monitor, obviously with PIDC's support and assistance, the loan program as a whole, particularly the small business loan program and I can share with you spreadsheets on those loan programs. But we are monitoring and looking for, are we 195 making enough small business loans? Is it geographically --

Councilman Greene

Sir, that is not the question how in terms of how the program is operating and who it loans money to. The question is, what is the oversight to make sure that, for example, they are not lending more money out than they are actually taking in, which was the case? So, who in the Commerce Department is responsible for this oversight; what person?

Mr. Greenberger

I would say that that is largely the oversight of our -- a combination -- it is mostly the oversight of our of development side, Dwayne Bum.

Councilman Greene

Dwayne Bum is responsible for the oversight?

Mr. Greenberger

I wouldn't want to tag him with that exclusively. It resides with me as well.

Councilman Greene

But, in your answer to the question, you, basically, said you relied on the resources of PIDC to tell you what is happening in the program. 196

Mr. Greenberger

That's correct.

Councilman Greene

Doesn't that really mean that PIDC is monitoring itself?

Mr. Greenberger

To --

Councilman Greene

That is the reason that this went on for a long time?

Mr. Greenberger

That's why I would like to have John talk about this before I assume that what you are saying is in fact the situation that you are asking me to respond to.

Councilman Greene

Well, I just want to get on the record that there is no 14 oversight in the Commerce Department, that PIDC was monitoring itself and that's how this problem was created. I think we have established that. The next question that I asked was -- it is not the next question but I will ask it now. What measures are you putting into place at the Commerce Department to ensure this won't happen again, that does not rely on the entity that is responsible for loaning these funds to the City? 197

Mr. Greenberger

The reason I am hesitating is I am not sure if I agree with th premise that there is a problem. That is why I would like to have Mr. Grady speak to what you say is the essential problem here. Can I do that?

Councilman Greene

Certainly. Mr. Grady, how did the issue with PIDC, which I understand to be a situation of the PIDC loaning out more than it was taking in, arise?

Mr. Grady

I am not sure about the specifics of the situation you are referencing. I would be happy to find out more. Sounds like maybe you are referring to our revolving loan program, which is funded with CDBG dollars.

Councilman Greene

Yes. It's is OHCD's Year 28 Consolidated Plan Presentation to City Council, that describes this situation.

Mr. Grady

I apologize. I don't have that in front of me. I think what you are referring to is our kind of normal routine 198 revolving loan program where we are receive OHCD, CDBG grant dollars, lend those out to businesses, receive repayments and those repayments continue to revolve to fund the new loans. I don't think there's ever been a situation that I am aware of where we have lent more money than we have. We are always managing our cash flow in terms of repayments and what commitments are made and we fund those commitments as they become due. I think particularly as it relates to oversight, PIDC does an audit every year. Those audits are submitted to the City. We provide regular reporting to the City on the status of the CDBG program. We make budget requests on an annual basis, as all the other organizations who use CDBG funds. So, I think there is a significant amount of oversight, but if there is some specific problem that I am not aware of.

Councilman Greene

So, we have had money available sort of on a regular basis every year to make available for this 199 revolving a program, which is taking a big hit this year because repayments are less than anticipated because either the loans were poorly -- the recipients were poorly chosen, which is either the responsibility of PIDC or Commerce, or some other thing. But we have 6.7 million dollars less available because we have a repayment problem and it is my understanding that someone in the Commerce Department actually did discover this problem or we wouldn't have been in this situation today.

Mr. Grady

I'm sorry, I think you are referring to over the course of this program, which has been in existence for 30 some years at this point, certain loans go bad. Certain projects are unable to meet their debt service and we are required to try and make up that bad loan. Typically, we are able to do that through the revolve dollars and not through new allocation that comes into the program. So, is there less to lend out? Absolutely there is less because we have to 200 make up for that bad loan and there is million dollars, sounds like, in a portfolio that is 30 some years old, a number that is probably fair for bad loans. I think part of --

Councilman Greene

All in one year?

Mr. Grady

No, those loans weren't made in one year.

Councilman Greene

I understand, but they did all go bad in one year --

Mr. Grady

No, they tend to be long term loans.

Councilman Greene

-- or did we just catch up with the fact that they were never going to be repaid in one year because we haven't been monitoring and accounting it properly?

Mr. Grady

No, we monitor the information on a regular basis. It is regularly reported to the City.

Councilman Greene

So we got 6.7 million dollars less in loan repayments last year than we anticipated? Because otherwise what we did was recognize bad repayments over 201 a period of years in one year. That is really the question.

Mr. Grady

I don't know if that is the case. I'd be happy to sit down with the and review it.

Councilman Greene

That is our understand of the case and so we can deal with it on call backs after you had a chance to take a look at it. Thank you. I have some more questions, but I will come back.

Council President Clarke

Thank you, Councilman. Chair recognizes Council Member Goode.

Councilman Goode

Thank you, Mr. President. Believe it or not, I am not as concerned with the City wide participation goals as you might think. For the reason that City wide participation goals are made up of departments reaching those goals and if you don't reach a City wide goal, sometimes because certain departments are not practicing diversity they should. Sometimes departments don't reach those goals particularly because covered projects and 202 contracts don't reach those goals. So the approach we take now actually is initiated by Council President, is utilization of economic opportunity plans. So, for the record, can you state what contracts and projects require economic opportunity plans?

Mr. Greenberger

I believe the answer, I can give, through the Chair, give you a spreadsheet on this that we have available to you. The answer is everything that requires a Council action requires an economic opportunity plan.

Councilman Goode

That is not correct.

Mr. Greenberger

Then please correct me.

Councilman Goode

Grants and financial assistance non-committed bid contracts City funded development project contracts. Everything in between $250,000. That is what the code says.

Mr. Greenberger

I stand corrected. Sorry. 203

Councilman Greene

So, you will never reach a departmental goal or contract area goal or City wide goal unless the goal setting is correct within those covered projects and contracts. So, I am more concerned about the goal setting at the most basic level in terms of contract and project. That is really where I am going with this. For the overall goals, you see availability. It does not match utilization. Then the threat is that the goal setting, the basic level in terms of contracts and projects may not be as aggressive either. For example, let me bring up the Temple project. As we were considering legislation on Economic Opportunity Review Committee, we had a number of witnesses bring up what was not happening to the Temple project and Economic Opportunity Plan for that project.

Mr. Greenberger

Which one are we talking about at Temple?

Councilman Goode

Yes.

Mr. Greenberger

Is it the current 204 residents?

Councilman Goode

Yes.

Mr. Greenberger

Thank you.

Councilman Goode

Ms. Dowd-Burton is very familiar with it. After the hearing, I actually went to a luncheon where I ran into Ken Lawrence from Temple and I sat next to Ms. Dowd-Burton for lunch, and we discussed the Temple project and what might be done to intervene. So, before you get to what is going to be accomplished in terms of departments or City wide, what is being done to intervene on that specific project?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Thank you for your question, Councilman. We have had a conversation with the leadership at Temple University and we will be launching the Oversight Committee within the next few weeks. We have received their Economic Opportunity Plan Goals and the status of the project up to this date. We have, I can report for you their --

Councilman Goode

So, the project was 205 started without the Economic Opportunity Plan being implemented?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

No, the plan had been implemented. It was being tracked. They had not activated the Oversight Committee. So I can review with you the results that we currently have, if you are interested.

Councilman Goode

Is the answer to your question that you are activating the Oversight Committee?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

The Oversight Committee --

Councilman Goode

I asked what is being done to intervene. Is the answer to that question you're activating the Oversight Committee?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Yes, that's correct.

Councilman Goode

It is not good enough for me. When will the Economic Opportunity Review Committee be convened, because I don't believe Oversight Committees work as well you do. So, my question now is, a separate question. 206 When will you convene Economic Opportunity Review Committee?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

When we have a chance to finalize the individual calenders that have been invited to attend. We have --

Councilman Goode

You only need a quorum?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

That's correct. So we are waiting for Mr. Pete Matthews to get back to us. He has a formal invitation through e-mail. I have talked to his staff. We're also waiting for Cathy Scott to get back to us. She has a formal invitation as well. Varsidia, (ph) who is head of --

Councilman Goode

Hispanic.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

-- Hispanic chamber was traveling last week. So we are waiting for her to get back to us.

Councilman Goode

What is your target date to convene it?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

May. Sometime towards the end of May. We also have --

Councilman Goode

Towards the end of May? 207

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Towards the end of May. If they are not available --

Councilman Goode

Why towards the end of May?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I am trying to give them enough time to build on their calendar. So, it is just pay matter of coordination. That is all. And then Steve Bradley who is head of or Chair of African-American Chamber has agreed to personally serve.

Councilman Goode

Towards the end of May is a problem for me.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

What is your preference?

Councilman Goode

I would shoot for mid-May, at the latest, which is a month from now. I am not sure how many people schedule much more than a month from now.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Okay.

Councilman Goode

Today's date is April 10th. There is no reason why it can't be convened within a month. There is no 23 reason why it would take 50 days.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Okay. We will be 208 happy to schedule it for that time frame.

Councilman Goode

The last quick question is before the Review Committee is convened, how should inquiries and grievances be handled?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

I'm sorry, how should what?

Councilman Goode

Inquiries and grievances be handled.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Until the -- they can certainly -- My door is always open. I host meetings with the contracting community on the third Wednesday of every month from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. and I also have been doing business with the City of Philadelphia on the fourth Wednesday of every month from 2:30 to 4:00. Not to mention that I am in my office and returning my calls when I get them.

Councilman Goode

But aside from that, they can just show up at some point in May and bring their grievances?

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Absolutely.

Councilman Goode

Thank you. Thank you, Chairman. 209

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilman. The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you very much. I want to say thank you to those departments that provided a demographic breakdown of their departments. What percentage of Department of Commerce is grant funded and what percentage is civil service?

Mr. Greenberger

Good question.

Councilwoman Brown

Let me be more specific.

Mr. Greenberger

Go ahead.

Councilwoman Brown

The leadership deputy mayor.

Mr. Greenberger

Well, I know I am general fund, but let me get to the page. Let me get my notes straight here. I'm sorry. Bear with me. I should have anticipated.

Councilman Jones

While you do that, for those people who are here for the later hearing, such as Community College, we will be taking a break after this panel and we 210 will reconvene after the break. So, we know pretty much we won't be getting to them until about 3:00 so, you are safe if you would like to go and come back or you are more than welcome to stay.

Mr. Greenberger

Just sort of checking off boxes here. There are Deputy Mayor, Senior Commerce Director, Chief Operating Officer, Head of OEO, Head of our Development Division, John Monlack, (ph). Sorry I am just scanning names here. Head of our office of Business Services all funded on the general fund.

Councilwoman Brown

It says here on of your testimony, Department of Commerce Senior Leadership at the Deputy Mayor and Deputy level is 100 percent male.

Mr. Greenberger

That's correct. That is three of us. Kevin Dow, myself, and Dwayne Bum.

Councilwoman Brown

Are those all appointed positions?

Mr. Greenberger

Those are all appointed positions, yeah. 211

Councilwoman Brown

So, my follow-up question would be, women's history month is over but I live it every day, is how does that happen in the City that's majority women?

Mr. Greenberger

I can't tell you that it is by design. These are the people that have been selected. I was selected by the Mayor. Kevin was here, Dwayne was here when I assume the Directorship of Commerce.

Councilwoman Brown

Moving now to the discussion of bids with the Procurement Department. On the City's website where current bids are listed, is there a listing of advertisements referring to the closing of pre-qualification time periods? You should know that this issue or concern has been raised by a couple of constituents who have come to my office confused about the whole bid qualification, pre-qualification bid meeting process.

Ms. Dowd-Burton

Councilwoman, the Community Commissioner is approaching.

Mr. Ortman

For the record, my name is 212 Hugh Ortman, Procurement Commissioner. I am going to have to ask the Councilwoman to just repeat her question please to make sure I heard it correctly.

Councilwoman Brown

Surely. I am going to try to relay it as accurately as it was given to make because it's filtered, when, you know, convey issues raised by others. The broader issue is the manners in which our City conducts prebid meetings, pre-qualification meetings and the manner in which we share that information on the website. Talk about what exists. What is.

Mr. Ortman

Are you talking about a particular type of contract?

Councilwoman Brown

This was related to advertisement, prebid.

Mr. Ortman

For Boards, for SSA, for --

Councilwoman Brown

Forgive me?

Mr. Ortman

Was it for Public Works contracting, contract?

Councilwoman Brown

Let's say it was. Tell me what happens. 213

Mr. Ortman

Well, the date on the website is the date for the pre-qualification questionnaires to be submitted.

Councilwoman Brown

So, do you circle back to alert both reviewing the website that a particular bid is no longer going to apply or exist? When you make a decision that you are no longer going to follow through or execute that particular bid notice, do you circle back on the website to alert those reviewing it of that new reality; that there's been a change? And here is why I ask. There have been a couple of instances where those who were interested applied, do the homework, do the du diligence, only to discover that you are no longer considering it again. So, I guess the challenge is accurate timely current information on the website.

Mr. Ortman

If you are talking about a particular contract, I would have to look in to that. But, yes, the website is as up-to-date as we can make it. Although it's relatively old and we are working on 214 replacing it. We do have as much information as possible.

Councilwoman Brown

I'm so sorry. I heard two different answers in that one answer. It's "up-to-date", but it's "relatively old."

The Witness

The information is up-to-date, the system itself is relatively old.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. Then what I am going to do is refer this constituent directly to you so that the connect can happen and they don't have to get jumped around different departments. 15

Mr. Ortman

That's fine.

Councilwoman Brown

If you would guide them and show them how they can honor whatever is on the website and do it in a way where they don't the end up wasting their time. Small business don't have a lot of time when they are trying to get new opportunities.

The Witness

I will be happy to.

Councilwoman Brown

I will circle back 215 in the next round. Thank you, Chair.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilwoman. I'm not gonna do that to her. We had a plot to call on Councilman Greene right now then pass him by so we can all go to lunch. But, I can't do that to him. It was conspired upon by freshman and veterans alike.

Mr. Greenberger

As long as you are not blaming us.

Councilman Jones

I would like to ask a couple questions very quickly. In light of the fact that the oil refinery in South Philadelphia is about to close it hearkens the issues of reuse of industrial parcels in Philadelphia and I wanted to get a game plan for, a, that particular parcel, if there is one, but other parcels such as the American Street and other parcels around the City. In light of the fact that I am hearing the manufacturers say that manufacturing is back. I am hearing the President say manufacturing, we are gonna compete head up with India and China and other places. 216 What is our strategy as Philadelphia in that kind of complex manufacturing post Rusbel (ph) phase?

Mr. Greenberger

I am gonna ask John to come back up here as well because I want him to comment, but there are a number of questions imbedded in there. Let me see if I can take a few of them on. First of all, about the Sunoco Refinery, you have probably read this in the paper. There are several people who have expressed interest in acquiring the refinery to continue to run it as a refinery. Whether it is exactly running it as a refinery with the same -- and this is where I am little out of my league on this one because it is related to oil technology. Whether it is with the same type of oil, I think it's what different types of oil that potentially could be made available to this refinery. That interest is there. Sunoco is working very closely with the State. John has been part of meetings to monitor that and our hope is that this is not a closure. That this is in 217 fact a sale.

Councilman Jones

I guess a friendly amendment would be Camden Salvage Yard, for lack of better representative.

Mr. Greenberger

Camden Iron and Metal?

Councilman Jones

Yeah. That is leaving and relocating 200 jobs back to Camden. What is the reuse for those types of parcels? Is it a Brownsfield site now?

Mr. Greenberger

Oh, yeah. They're all Brownsfield site. I think the important thing to know here is in the lower Schuylkill, which does in fact go all the way to where the Camden Metal and Iron was at the foot of the Penn Rose Bridge there is several thousand acres of either empty, under-utilized, and in some cases like the refinery, active industrial land. An awful lot of it is way under-utilized. These are industries that are no longer there. PIDC Planning and Commerce have partnered up through a Grant to do a new plan for the lower Schuylkill that we are kind of 218 at the third to halfway point done and it's specifically to figure out what types of infrastructural investments need to be made over the next generation that is gonna unlock the potential of that land with a particular eye towards its industrial capacity. One of the problems, and John can speak to this a bit, is that, you know, we think of Philadelphia as having all this land available, but in fact, the kind of landholdings we need where we need them to meet the needs of some modern industrial purposes, like distribution, there are pretty serious acreages. You know, industry in the past tended to be vertical. Modern industry isn't. It needs more land, and those land parcels that are under public control are not as extensive as we would like, which creates an availability problem for businesses that might think that being here is a great idea, particularly for distribution businesses, because we are well-located.

Councilman Jones

I am sure Councilman 219 Johnson is gonna want to end the issue on that, but whatever your preliminary findings are now to give us an eye towards that kind of thing because many of us, including the newly minted Committee on International Relations Chaired by Councilman Oh, are gonna want to know the availability of land like that is so that we can market Philadelphia as on budsman on your behalf.

Mr. Greenberger

Are you also familiar with the Industrial Land Study that was probably published in its final form a year ago maybe?

Councilman Jones

Yes, but I would like other members, there are six more of us --

Mr. Greenberger

We will make sure that new copies are available and we will brief you. We'll be happy to do a briefing on the progress of the lower Schuylkill plan.

Mr. Grady

The only comment I would add is --

Councilman Jones

State your name for the record. 220

Mr. Grady

John Grady, President of Philadelphia Industrial Development Corporation. The only comment I would add, is I think when we are talking about the redevelopment of older industrial sites, particularly vertical industrial sites, so, there's been discussion about American Street, we see this in Hunting Park, we see this in North Philadelphia, we see it in Kensington. There is a serious economic imbalance in the costs to either rehabilitate, remediate, renovate those structures for other uses or the costs to remove those structures and allow new uses to come in behind them. I think where PIDC and the Commerce Department focus a lot of attention and resources is where can we allocate particularly financing resources and Grant resources from other levels of Government to help undo that economic disincentive. So, we are seeing a lot of retail development on former industrial complexes. Baker Center 221 Project in Hunting Park is a good example, Allegheny West. I have a board meeting this afternoon where we are gonna approve three transactions where existing manufacturers are acquiring existing older industrial complexes and expanding their production and distribution operations into those complexes. I think we are always trying to maximize, particularly those lending resources to make that transition either from one industrial use to another or to an entirely different use, more friendly to the market and to encourage more demand.

Councilman Jones

So, having said that, in that particular area, what do you envision? I know Pittsburgh had a similar circumstance where they went from an iron steel industrial center of the world and then had to remediate Brownfield. Do we still have the same resources available to us as Pittsburgh had to kind of reclaim that land, and if so, who are we targeting for that land? Is there a 222 marketing game plan. If indeed we are one day's truck drive from the rest of -- one third of the nation's population are we strategically going after distributors? It's my understanding in my other life as an economic development practitioner, that we have under-utilized things like hardwoods, that we have -- Pennsylvania has a surplus of over 80 species of hardwood, which China has a need for, and that a distribution system could be developed, or if we are talking about the unfortunate development of the gas reserves, are we building pipelines? Are we thinking about those kind of things that can be shipped out of our shipyard, and because of the proximity to that site, that is a strategically perfect site. I would love to get the cocoa beans out of the old ACME warehouse, move them down to a place like that so they would be closer to the shipping. Who is running this kind of vision? In the study that you are halfway completed, are we seeing anything that suggests things that 223 we could start to do now?

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah, and the instances, unfortunately, Council, the instances that are coming to mind are not really ones that I can really talk about because I don't want to sort of mess up anything --

Councilman Jones

Okay. I'll take that.

Mr. Greenberger

-- that are potentially out there.

Councilman Jones

Okay, if you are telling me we are getting to get rid of the old ACME site and cocoa beans, I won't say anything. I won't tell anyone.

Mr. Greenberger

I think your point about distribution in particular is important. This is a good place from which to distribute, there is a lot of logistics involved and there is a lot of land development. There are both storm water management issues, hazardous material issues, that have to be reckoned with in any older industrial environment, which is what we 224 have. These present problems. You know, we have had inquiries about some distribution facilities, for instance, in the lower Schuylkill. They are significant. I can't say for sure that they're gonna happen or not happen. These deals take an amazingly long time to gel. I mean, of course once they do gel, everybody has to get it done tomorrow.

Councilman Jones

I don't want to speak out of school, but I am sure Councilman Johnson is gonna be looking to hear about these, and I am sure that he will be joined by Councilwoman Sanchez and myself and others who have industrial reuse issues, to look at how we are planning to take advantage of land. God is not making any more land, at least not to my knowledge. We want to see the best and highest use for the land that Philadelphia has available.

Mr. Greenberger

Thank you. We want to take advantage of that. I just would add from our side, before we even bring some of 225 these particular opportunities forward, let's say to Council, we need to make sure that they are for real because, needless to say, we get a lot of things put in front of us that turn out to be not for real.

Councilman Jones

We here don't want to spook them with our involvement, but we are anxiously anticipating putting more businesses, more land on the tax rolls.

Mr. Greenberger

Absolutely agreed.

Councilman Jones

That is our focus here, to put more people back to work. Chair now recognizes Councilman Oh.

Councilman Oh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to now just return to our conversation and to say that I do think that this issue of a big vision, big leadership, and at least the bold effort to try to put something very significant in our City for its future is important. I looked at the 2035 plan as a capital plan and see missing from it the physical structures that would indicate a City has planned its growth around the new economies 226 and about its future, and I believe that is because the 2035 plan is, basically, based on a limited amount of money to somewhat upkeep the City as opposed to a bold vision of creating new sections, upgrading, modernizing, putting high tech in to make our City competitive within our region and globally. In terms of a big picture team, do you need more money? Do you need more staff? What do you need?

Mr. Greenberger

If somebody is offering more money or staff, I am taking it, but I would not actually start with that as -- I would not start with that as the ask, I guess. I think what I would say is that, you know, this is a hard thing. We all sort of live in the weeds, as it were, trying to get things done, but I think the -- The answer to your question, for instance, about a big vision, and maybe we gave it short notice here. This lower Schuylkill business is a very, very, big deal. John and I have been talking about this for probably a 227 year-and-a-half before we got the grant money to execute it. It's not simply looking for places to have, you know, the next distribution place for company X. This is about trying to find a big environment that we can make available for the commercialization of research that we are very, very strong in in this City and that stuff is not getting commercialized here. Not sure if it's exclusively a problem of land, it's also a problem of venture capital, entrepreneurial cultures. A whole bunch of things that come in to play, but we think there are potential partners out there from the research side that have a very deep interest in helping us figure out how to commercialize. So, when we started talking about the lower Schuylkill, the vision wasn't just, little more industrial stuff here and there. It was really about creating a four mile stretch between the airport, which is a powerful economic engine, the Universities, the Center City, and the Navy Yard and 228 creating a continuous strip where if you were to drive from the airport up to the center, you would see research being done. You would see commercialization. You would see miscellaneous industry. It's a very powerful idea that is going to take push from a lot of different directions and probably, by the way, because I know this is of interest to you, I think it is also going to take partnerships with international companies, because these things ideally, yes, would happen through an all-American system, but in this world, we will probably engage others also well. So, this is also about putting Philadelphia more on this international map and making this an attractive place for technology investment in particular.

Councilman Oh

In terms of the things that we can do today, obviously issues about tax reform, deregulation and regulation and also the issues of using, for example, empty school buildings to put those incubators and other things. 229 Is there a current strategy or plan to deal with the fact that in between this creative entity, the lack of funding before they get to success or to invest in Philadelphia's new, state-of-the-art technology with our university and whatnot that we are gonna build? What do we have for them in the immediate future?

Mr. Greenberger

I think the most immediate thing that I mentioned before is the potential of putting together a fund that doesn't appear to exist in the City to help these start-up operations get from step one, which is their own money, to step three, which is true venture capital and, you know, what is often referred to as angel investing. I think there is a real opportunity here. There are some models out there that have been done at State levels in Ohio and Michigan that we have been paying attention to. We are talking to foundations about being able to participate in this and I think, it may not be tomorrow's answer, but I 230 do think that this is within reach.

Councilman Oh

I think Councilman Greene is gonna talk about that a little further.

Councilman Jones

We're gonna talk about that after our break because you guys have worn our stenographer out and she has to take a break. So, we are gonna take a break until 3:00. We are going to start promptly. It does not mean 3:10, it does mean 3:05. At 3:00 we will start. So, we will reconvene at that time. Thank you. (Whereupon, a break was taken.)

Councilman Jones

I don't see Councilwoman Sanchez yet. She will resume her place back in line, but Councilman Green is up next.

Councilman Green

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. People have made different references to a business attraction plan or a plan to attract businesses, et cetera. Is there a written business plan to attract businesses to the City of Philadelphia?

Mr. Greenberger

No. 231

Councilman Green

I am sorry?

Mr. Greenberger

No. 3

Councilman Green

No. And, so, how do we decide what is prioritized on a year-over-year basis, on a month-to-month basis, and on a day-by-day basis?

Mr. Greenberger

I am sorry. You were finishing your sentence?

Councilman Green

No. 10

Mr. Greenberger

I am sorry. I didn't hear it right. I probably shouldn't have given such a simple answer, because it's probably a little more complicated than that. There are, for example -- I apologize for repeating myself. There is this idea about attracting businesses that are in the suburbs to open up offices in the City. That is a very specific strategy that I described earlier in testimony. We have got a list of about, I think about 20 businesses that are, kind of, natural candidates, given the kind of business they are and where their, sort of, replenishment of talent is likely to be, 232 mostly from younger people.

Councilman Green

What is the industry you are focused on?

Mr. Greenberger

Technology is an important one, because those are -- that is the industry that is most reliant on young talent. It's a little bit different when you start to get in to other sectors. Like, for instance, a farmer is a little bit different. Some businesses, they rely less on talent, they rely a little bit more on actually, in a way, sort of taking from each other, and they are doing it at generally higher levels and people are more used to long-term -- long distance commuting. So, not as good a version there. There is, however, a story there and that is that they do, however, a lot of the farmers, rely on the research that is being done. They are taking --

Councilman Green

The question really is not about sort of --

Mr. Greenberger

Anyway --

Councilman Green

-- what they are 233 doing themselves. The question is about what the Commerce Department is doing --

Mr. Greenberger

I understand.

Councilman Green

On a year-over-year basis. So, for these -- So, somebody 6 identified 20 businesses. 7

Mr. Greenberger

Right. 8

Councilman Green

How did that 9 happen? 10

Mr. Greenberger

We did that jointly 11 with PIDC. We said we think this is a good 12 idea. We think it has some play. We 13 identified businesses and we are methodically 14 going through and talking to them. Going out 15 visiting them, saying this is something you 16 ought to be thinking about. 17

Councilman Green

You said PIDC is 18 primarily our business attraction arm. What 19 mandate have they been given? 20

Mr. Greenberger

I am sorry, how -- What?

Councilman Green

What mandate have they been given? What do they do when they are not with you visiting these 20 234 companies?

Mr. Greenberger

Oh, sorry. Okay. I didn't understand what you said. They're -- They get -- First of all. I mean, they are --

Councilman Green

Not from a transactional perspective providing funding. Business attraction.

Mr. Greenberger

They now have a Vice President, Ann Nevans, who, within the last year, has been -- John has made, I think her title is Vice President for Marketing and Attraction. They are actively out there pursuing things like industrial clients to occupy both some of the property that they own, the industrial lands that they own, but also looking for other opportunities that may not involve the land.

Councilman Green

There is separate attraction for the Navy Yard. Is that that person's responsibility?

Mr. Greenberger

No, actually, that is probably more vested -- I mean, she works with them, but I think that is more vested in 235 the Navy Yard's Manager, Will Aggett. I mean, I think they have to work together with regularity, but I think we spend more time.

Councilman Green

So, what direction do they have from the City as to -- this person that has been appointed by John for this purpose, what plan have they been given by the City in terms of who to go after, who to attract, why we want particular industries and other things? Is there anything in writing from the City to the PIDC or this person that says here is our one-year, two-year, three-year, four-year goal for your business attraction efforts? These are the industries we want you to focus on, and this is why?

Mr. Greenberger

The answer is, no. 18 There is not a plan in writing. There is an active conversation pretty much every day.

Councilman Green

But, if you don't start with something in writing, how do you measure any kind of accomplishment against a goal and the dollars that are being spent to achieve that goal? 236

Mr. Greenberger

Well, I will give you an example of something that we do and you can sort of take it as you like. For instance, on hotels, we have very specific goals about attracting new hotels to town for very specific purposes and we've defined what size hotels, what type hotels we want to do. We're actively talking to hotel operators, we're actively talking to developers trying to get those particular projects to happen.

Councilman Green

Who is in charge of that?

Mr. Greenberger

We actually do it jointly. Ann has been managing the data flow.

Councilman Green

Ann?

Mr. Greenberger

Ann Nevans of PIDC. She manages the data flow, but, we actively do this together.

Councilman Green

So, a lot of Ann's time, at this moment, is spent on attracting hotels?

Mr. Greenberger

I think a significant piece of it, because it's an important issue 237 for us to be able to augment the capacity of the Convention Center by doing two things. We need another, you know, sort of headquarter hotel, kind of in the Loew's kind of category. At least that. So, we have been focusing on that. In fact, there is --

Councilman Green

Is there any written plan in writing with respect to hotels?

Mr. Greenberger

No. We just, between us, we know that that is exactly what we have got --

Councilman Green

So, would you please provide to the Chair what the measurable -- what the goals are you have for hotels.

Mr. Greenberger

Sure.

Councilman Green

Do you have any other industries or business types that you have specific goals set for attracting them into the City?

Mr. Greenberger

Not in writing.

Councilman Green

Do you have any goals that are set for it?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes, we do. I can 238 put in writing the part about --

Councilman Green

I would like to know what industries those are before we get anything in writing. What industries do you have specific goals for that are not writing?

Mr. Greenberger

I think the technology industry, this is what I was referring to. It's not the sole one, but it's an important one. Probably the most important one.

Councilman Green

So, what is our unwritten goal with respect to a broad category of technology industry? What does that mean?

Mr. Greenberger

I would like to get at least three or four of these companies to commit to having gateway offices in Philadelphia.

Councilman Green

What does a gateway office mean?

Mr. Greenberger

A gateway office is where they might stay in a suburban location for the time being, or possibly forever, but 239 they will open up a facility in the City so that they have a way of attracting younger talent into their operation. These are people who don't necessarily want to be commuting to the suburbs, and our belief is that if they do this and this thing has staying power, these offices will grow here. So, people will want to stay in them.

Councilman Green

So, next year, your goal is by this time next year to have three or four opening?

Mr. Greenberger

I would like to see three or four of them either --

Councilman Green

Gateway offices --

Mr. Greenberger

-- either have done it or actively committed to doing it.

Councilman Green

With how many people in the gateway office?

Mr. Greenberger

It is gonna vary from firm to firm. We do not have a specific goal on that. I mean, certainly we don't want just a telephone and a data port. What we see in talking to some of the companies is that they are aware of the issue 240 and they also have key staff members who are commuting now from the City who actually would prefer to be back in the City themselves. So, we think there is a way of populating these offices from their internal ranks that exist now, as well as from new talent that they are gonna have to bring in to replenish people who are leaving.

Councilman Green

And if they don't move their headquarters or their main operations, of course the only taxes that would be paid will be wage taxes of the employees in the City?

Mr. Greenberger

Well, that's right, and to the extent that an employee already lives in the City, the differential is small, because they are already paying a wage tax at a different rate.

Councilman Green

Right. So, in terms of the costs of this program, for example, you said that there are 20 companies that are gonna visit this year.

Mr. Greenberger

Mm-hmm. 241

Councilman Green

Or you have already visited some. PIDC is bringing two or three people to all these meetings. I don't know how many people are going from your office.

Mr. Greenberger

It is about two or three from each side.

Councilman Green

Okay. So, between four to six people are going to each of these meetings, places a year, at least three 10 quarters of a day getting out, meeting -- 11

Mr. Greenberger

Half a day, yeah. 12

Councilman Green

Half a day, 13 minimum? 14

Mr. Greenberger

Mm-hmm. 15

Councilman Green

What is the cost of 16 all that compared to the three or four 17 gateway offices with potential employees? I 18 am asking this for a specific reason, because 19 I think if we put all of this on paper, we 20 might change our goals and re-prioritize, based on where we are gonna get the biggest bang for our dollar.

Mr. Greenberger

Well, you might be right, but I would also offer one other 242 thought, that you may not be able to write out a convincing return on investment of dollars spent, time spent, versus, let's say, the size of an office that somebody opens, but, but, you start a kind of set of Dominoes falling about the culture of the City and what kind of businesses want to be here.

Councilman Green

I don't know that either, but nobody knows that unless somebody tries to put it in writing, and the goal doesn't have to be a dollar for dollar return on investment. The goal stated in the plan can be the beginning of a Dominoe effect that will lead to these companies moving in or other things, and still it is important to have a plan in writing so that we can measure what your efforts are against the goals that you have set. Are there any other industries, other than technology, where you have a specific goal?

Mr. Greenberger

I think there is an opportunity to get more distribution facilities in the City. 243

Councilman Green

So, what's your goal with respect to distribution?

Mr. Greenberger

I don't have a number.

Councilman Green

You don't have a goal?

Mr. Greenberger

No. 8

Councilman Jones

We are gonna hold that, Councilman.

Councilman Green

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Councilman Jones

You raised some really powerful points, and I kind of remember last year, this line of questioning being asked, and I understand we were in, in past years, an economic crisis. I get it. We were trying not to bleed, and stop the bleeding. It was almost a triage of effect, but now that we are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel, there are certain assets and goals that we need to start to market, start to plan around. Not to say that you are not, but we are anxious. Councilman Clarke came in here with 244 a shovel. We believe that, you know, Philly's time has come. We may start seeing those ground-breakings again. But, in prior administrations, going as far as back to Green's father, and also Rizzo, had a group called the Traveling Reps. They used to go around and target industries in different Cities and they would take a team of hit men, I don't mean it literally, but they would go after these firms to -- they would go to High Point North Carolina. In the last administration, we went to Korea and we went out there for, I think it was days. We met with 50 different 15 companies over there from ice cream 16 manufacturers, and only one bid, one. It was 17 called Rotem, (ph). They are now on Delaware Avenue, and they higher over 300 people. We just did a tour. And so, when Councilman Green and Councilman Oh and others start talking about, we want to see a vision that we can help you with, it is just our anxiousness to get out of this recession, start putting more dollars 245 in our coffers so that we don't have to talk about raising people's taxes and other ways. So, you know, you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find the prince and princesses of deals and we are about to -- we are ready to kiss some frogs.

Mr. Greenberger

I think that is a fair point. I think the one thing that I have also learned from my architectural practice is that 80 percent of the commissions you are gonna get come from clients you already have. So, business expansion, business retention, in my book, is equally, if not more important, than the ones that you don't, that are kind of the cold calls. It's not saying you don't make the cold calls, because you do. By the way, speaking of Rotem, I think that was a very important thing that you did, it didn't come up in the questions from Councilman Oh, on that trip I made to Korea, probably the most important day spent was a day traveling across the country to go to Rotem, see what they were doing, with a very 246 specific goal of, we need them to stay in business longer than what it takes to make our rail cars. That is partly a matter of communications, keeping them happy about being in the City of Philadelphia, trying to solve problems that come up and maintaining good relations. So, I have actually been down there three times over the last two years just talking to them as their leadership changes. Got to know somebody in Korea who is now lease stationed here in the United States on kind of a longer term basis, happens to be a Lehigh graduate, which doesn't hurt.

Councilman Jones

We are glad you went three times. It took us one time to bring Rotem, and I think one of the freshman, one the freshman three last year said, "if it ain't measured, it ain't managed. We want to see it in writing". I am gonna recognize Councilwoman Sanchez now.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Thank you. I am assuming Commerce is gonna come back on a 247 call back, so I will leave some of the other questions I had around employment. But yesterday, as you know, I had a very disheartening conversation with our Personnel Director in the Civil Service Commission. So, I wanted to ask the question, how many of the employees at the Commerce Department are exempt and how many are civil service?

Mr. Greenberger

Almost everybody is exempt except the OEO staff.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Everybody --

Mr. Greenberger

Which is 12 people.

Councilwoman Sanchez

That is 12 people?

Mr. Greenberger

Mm-hmm.

Councilwoman Sanchez

I know there is several employees that speak Spanish. One of the things -- or other languages also. Sorry. One of the things that the Mayor signed in his Executive Order was about increasing diversity in the workforce, particularly the City workforce. I was very disheartened that there were 237 civil service job description revisions and not -- only three departments 248 requested the creation of bilingual positions. So, I wanted to know, one, how many people do you that speak different languages, and if those opportunities for civil service revisions or exempt hires, does the department look at them?

Mr. Greenberger

The answer to the last question is, absolutely we look at it. As you know, we have had -- because you mentioned it earlier, we have a pretty successful program with Vista volunteers, who are obviously multilingual, getting out to some of the immigrant business communities and making people feel comfortable, solving their problems. We really like how that program has gone, and what we recently decided, we don't have that many openings that come up in our ranks, but when they do, particularly on things like the Office Of Business Service, we absolutely will now look at multilingual capacity as a key element here, because I don't know how much longer we get to rely on 249 Vista volunteers to do this. We will take advantage of it as long it keeps coming, but you know, there's no surety that it's forever. We really like how this program's gone. So, I think, from us anyway, you are gonna be seeing more and more requirement for multilingual, just because it makes sense, particularly in the neighborhoods.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Thank you. That's very important. I think our numbers are still at about five percent for the City. Latinos represent 12 percent. Then when you add the Asian community just like, you know, the passion and that Councilman Blondell Reynolds-Brown and Wilson have about contracting opportunities, I have them about the workforce. I do appreciate the fact that, in your case, your testimony included some of those diversity numbers. But, as people look to hire, you know, I have been told by department heads that the Personnel Department has been unwilling to do it. 250 They testified yesterday that it does not cost more and the Civil Service Commission testified that they have approved all of the requests. So, I expect to see more of that.

Mr. Greenberger

Okay. I think, you know, for us, given that a large part of the population is exempt, we can just do that. It is very important to us. By the way, I would be happy to -- I don't know the numbers off of the top of my head, but I would be happy to get you a roster of who is multilingual now, if you like.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilwoman. The Chair now recognizes Councilwoman Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you very much. Deputy Mayor, note that I appreciate your leadership and affirmation of what Councilwoman Sanchez has just stated, because it always, always, always, in my view, starts with leadership. So, know that we appreciate you fully recognizing it and looking for 251 opportunities to move towards that end. I had asked, I believe, it was the City Rep, how are new ideas vetted in your department when Philadelphia citizens, business people come with out-of-the-box, non-traditional, potentially revenue generating opportunities for business; how are they vetted amongst your team?

Mr. Greenberger

It is gonna sound boring, but we meet as senior staff every week, formally meet every week. Part of it is obviously just to go over ongoing operations and any sort of internal mechanics. But, the point of it also is to look at new things that come in front of us; new development ideas, businesses that -- or opportunities that sort of popped up that we hadn't thought about before, and to, I think first, assess, is there some potential reality here. As I mentioned earlier, an awful lot of things come in front of us that we, for one reason or another, reckon are probably not very real. Possibly all well intentioned, 252 but sometimes not very real.

Councilwoman Brown

Sure.

Mr. Greenberger

So, you have to sort of first get past that hurdle. Once something is real, there is considerable machinery that we can put in place, both from Commerce and from our partnership with PIDC primarily to act on something. If it is a real estate development deal, very frequently they need some kind of public support. Usually in the form of loans, which is most of the money that we have at the moment, and diminishing quickly, but nevertheless, those kind of facilities are out there. Very rarely is it in the form of grants these days because that money is just drying up real quick. But, sometimes it is also in the form of advice or help that we can give. I will give you an example the Office Of Business Services probably handles thousands of requests every year, almost exclusively from small business. I think, of that, probably mostly neighborhood oriented business. 253

Councilwoman Brown

I might, if I may, say that based on my experience with that office this past year, it is clear that the nuts and bolts have been tightened and in terms of access and the deliverables that you provide to small businesses. So, know that we appreciate that. The outreach has deepened enormously.

Mr. Greenberger

Thank you. I feel very good, Kevin does as well, very good about the Office Of Business Services, what it is able to do. I wish there was better word out there that it was providing these services. All of us occasionally get requests from an individual business that just says, I am having a problem. It could happen because you run into somebody who says, I have got a business and I know somebody is having a problem, you know, and sometimes the problems are solvable and we will do that. Sometimes they are not realistically solvable. Like, I really don't want to pay my taxes. Well, I can't solve that one for you. 254

Councilwoman Brown

That is called standard operating procure.

Mr. Greenberger

Those requests do come in.

Councilwoman Brown

We get similar types of approaches from small businesses. So, to know that there is a one-stop shop is huge. The bell has rung. Circling back, I am gonna speak about L&I and health and the interface with the Office Of Business Services, because those offices still continue and appear to be hurdles for small business owners.

Mr. Greenberger

We are making progress on that very particular front.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Councilman Jones

You are quite welcome. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Just a couple questions regarding the Mayor's Youth Employment Program. So, I kind of want to get an idea what the program would look like 255 for this upcoming year. If you could provide me also an organizational chart so I can see how the Mayor's Youth Program is actually funded. I would think, I am used to working with the Philadelphia Youth network in the past and I am trying to put it altogether. Every stakeholder that actually contributes to the Mayor's Youth Employment Program and what that program would look like this upcoming year.

Mr. Dow

Well, we have worked with and coordinated some of our activities with Philadelphia Youth Network as they run the Work Ready Program, which is really involving with large corporations, and smaller companies too, around the City providing work opportunities for youth, both in the after-school program on a year-round basis, and in particular, during the summer months. The Mayor's Youth Employment Program is designed to augment that by focusing really on the neighborhoods and focusing on smaller businesses that we have interaction with 256 through our commercial quarter managers, through our relationships with business associations in the smaller end. It will, essentially, be something that we manage and control through the Commerce Department, through a relationship that we will have with CDCs, who will then market the program. It will, you know -- It's the first year that we are trying to do this. So it's kind of a more work in progress. We anticipate putting out the applications in early May, determining how much volume we get at that point in time and then dictating how many students we will be able to support over that period of time.

Councilman Johnson

So, the applications are provided to whom?

Mr. Dow

We will -- Everybody. I mean, everybody and anybody can get the applications. So, while we target our outreach business, one of our main kind of ways of reaching out to small businesses are through our relationship with the CDCs. It will be everybody. It will be a 257 public document. You can go and you can take an application. We will share with Council, we have had some conversations with them and so forth. You can then distribute it to your constituencies and so forth. We will work with the schools, make sure that there are schools that if we want to target any particular neighborhoods. Again, we looked at whether or not we want to target the high crime areas. One of the things that the purpose of this was, to mitigate some of the challenges that we were having with our youth, the flash mobs over the last year.

Councilman Johnson

Yes.

Mr. Dow

Give them an opportunity to do something that is an alternative to this bad behavior, and that is partly -- that is jobs. So, we also recognize in that work is that some of the areas that are more prone to having more problems are the same areas that have the high crime rates, the districts that the police department has identified. So, we might target groups in there or business 258 associations or CDCs in there. There are schools in there. Get the word out and so forth.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you, Kevin. If you can, as a follow-up to this, just give me a preliminary summary on what the program is gonna look like to rule out, specifically for my myself, but the other parties conversations. So, this has the Commerce Department -- The Commerce Department has nothing to do with administrating the Philadelphia Youth Network Program?

Mr. Dow

No, we are not involved in that. That is a separate nonprofit organization that does it on its own, gets its own funding and so forth.

Mr. Greenberger

Mark Edwards does have something to do with it. He apologizes. He had a board meeting at 3:00, so he couldn't stay for the rest of this. But I would be happy to have him get back to you as well.

Councilman Johnson

Just so -- Mark works in conjunction with the Commerce 259 Department; correct, Alan?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes. And it is primarily through my participation on the Board.

Councilman Johnson

Your participation on the Board. Okay. I mentioned this before in the past, as it relates to youth violence and the vitality of this City, and for the record, I am gonna be aggressively pushing for ravish, this administration, the next administration, all future administrations, to begin looking at youth employment as a priority for the City of Philadelphia, ravish flash mobs. We talk about reentry on the adult level, but we don't look at the young people who, once they graduate, because they do graduate contrary to popular belief sometimes. It's a myth that all young people are not graduating from high school. Once they can't find a certain type of employment, if they decide not to go to college or just some money, maybe a job so they can save money for books to go to college. I think if 260 we want to ever move forward, particularly as a City, we are going to have to start investing in our young people, making sure the resources are there for them. I grew up as a young man under Mayor Good. My first job was with anti-graffiti. It kept me out of trouble during the summertime. I was so proud to get my Work Ready ID and it kind of helped me become the young man I am today.

Mr. Dow

The great man that you are.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you, Kevin.

Mr. Greenberger

Glad that you still feel young.

Councilman Jones

That is not gonna get him any more time.

Councilman Johnson

I just want to say, you know, primarily for the record, an issue I am very, very passionate about. I want to see how the dots can be connected. Whether it is the Mayor's Youth Program, I applaud him for stepping up and carving out some funding to address it, but from a long-term perspective, I do want to do a 261 follow-up to see how do we get our young people employed in the City of Philadelphia. I think it would go a great way toward addressing the issue of youth violence that we see. Thank you.

Mr. Dow

If I may, I want to make sure you understand that we lump youth all in kind of, like, one big category. That is high school youth, to year old. We also 10 have the out of school youth, so I just 11 combined them altogether. Out of school 12 could be combined the ages of 18 to 20, 22. 13

Councilman Jones

College intern? 14

Mr. Dow

Yeah, College Intern 15 Program. That is exactly right, but -- so 16 these -- Some of the folks that we might be 17 targeting are indeed out of high school or out of high school age, put it that way.

Councilman Johnson

I will wrap up on this one component. What is often underlooked and what is often under-utilized or rather under-supported, is the 18 to 23 year olds. They are the ones that aren't 24 allowed to have the basketball leagues. They 262 are the ones who aren't allowed to primarily engage in a variety of different activities that are primarily geared -- they are excluded because most of the activities in our rec centers are geared towards the younger ones. So, keep up with the good work in terms of the to 24, but youth in general, I want 9 to continue to see those areas supported. I 10 will, however I can be supportive, I will 11 be. Thank you. 12

Mr. Dow

Thank you. 13

Councilman Jones

Councilman brought 14 in a group of young men between that age 15 demographic into the caucus room, and they 16 had some very interesting perspectives on the 17 City life and as we know it, and we really 18 need to reach out to that at-risk population. Business Services Unit, you still have that, correct?

Mr. Greenberger

Right. Office Of Business Services.

Councilman Jones

Could I have the Director of the Business Services Unit come 263 up, please.

Mr. Greenberger

Here he is, Curtis Gregory.

Councilman Jones

And you thought you weren't gonna get recognized.

Mr. Greenberger

He is touched.

Councilman Jones

Please state your full name for the record.

Mr. Gregory

Curtis Gregory, Director, Office of Business Services.

Councilman Jones

Now, over the different administrations, Business Services has meant different things to different mayors. Can you tell us under the Nutter administration what Business Services means?

Mr. Gregory

Yeah. Strategically we look at serving, as Deputy Mayor Greenberg said earlier, as kind of like a concierge service for business owners to help them navigate the resources of the City. Although we may not be able to have direct impact on the outcome of our interaction with Business Services, I like to think that we have a very positive impact on the actual process that 264 they go to in terms of obtaining some of those resources.

Councilman Jones

So, how many -- Well, give me a definition of your staff size; how many people you have on your staff.

Mr. Gregory

I have seven business service managers that are split up through the City, geographically assigned, and we have four vistas that I am happy to report are actually not just bilingual, but some of them are multilingual.

Councilman Jones

Impressive. Do you still receive calls? Are you the point of contact when someone in our respective office wants to start a business; is that the first point of contact we should go?

Mr. Gregory

Yeah, I think so.

Councilman Jones

Does everybody in this chamber -- Have you given your number, contact number to everyone?

Mr. Gregory

Not only we have given the information, but we have had kind of brief information about our client service 265 hot-line as well as our website, our business portal.

Councilman Jones

How many people have called your hot-line last year?

Mr. Gregory

I am gonna guess about --

Councilman Jones

No, I don't want a guess.

Mr. Gregory

Hold on. I have got to pull it out.

Councilman Jones

While you are doing that --

Mr. Gregory

I know we've had 1,800 and -- well, roughly 2,000 business contacts throughout last year.

Councilman Jones

What was the nature of the contact?

Mr. Gregory

I'd say about --

Councilman Jones

I don't want you to say about. If it ain't measured, it ain't managed. It is important that we know if you have 2,000 people call you last year, that is, approximately, three calls a day, and what were they requesting? Did they want start up? How many wanted tax information, 266 how many -- and that is a good indicator about the state of business in our City. So, that is an important portal that you recognize.

Mr. Gregory

That is an excellent question. I will give you the exact answer. The number of calls for business start-ups was percent. I am gonna focus on the big 9 ones. 20 percent comes in in terms of L&I 10 licensing; zoning permits, as you can 11 imagine. And then about 14 percent is, to 12 your point, financing or incentives. 13

Councilman Jones

So, out of the 14 financing and incentives, where were they 15 referred to? 16

Mr. Gregory

Oh, a number of different 17 places. What we try to do is have a very 18 meaningful dialogue with them in terms of 19 where are they in the process of actually 20 obtaining capital and then based on how they 21 answer those questions, we may direct them to 22 a number of resources. PIDC of course is one 23 that -- 24

Councilman Jones

How many went to 267 PIDC?

Mr. Gregory

That I couldn't tell you. I can get that for you.

Councilman Jones

How many resulted in opening a business?

Mr. Gregory

I don't know.

Councilman Jones

Oh. Again, and this is not a gotcha moment, I don't want it, but I want to, and I want my colleagues to know that if 2,000 come through the door, if 200 wind up referred to PIDC, then X represents the number of actual taxpayers that your efforts have recruited or assisted through the system. And that is a statistic we all want to know, and by district.

Mr. Gregory

Well, specifically there are 13 new businesses created as a result of our interaction with them, but what I can't answer is how many of those came to us only for financing, only went to PIDC and resulted in a new business being only --

Councilman Jones

Let me get this right. Last fiscal year, you started 13 businesses? 268

Mr. Gregory

We assisted 13 new businesses being created.

Councilman Jones

Could you provide a list of those businesses? What was the general size of those businesses? Do you know? Because if it is Rotem, I am impressed. If it is mom and pop convenience store, I am not. So, I mean, you can provide that to the Chair, but we want to keep a record of those kinds of interactions, activities, and then the end gain is results of businesses that are started by that. All right?

Councilman Jones

The Chair now recognizes -- Thank you for that. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Thank you, Mr. Chair. When we last spoke, we were talking about what specific industries we have goals set for not in writing, and I think the last one you mentioned was 269 distribution and there is no specific goal with respect to distribution. What other industries are you -- do you have -- Are you trying to, you know, spending efforts attracting, and what is the goal?

Mr. Greenberger

We specifically are interested in commercialization of bioscience research that's occurring at our universities. Again, I don't have a number. I would like to.

Councilman Green

So, what does that mean in terms of what you are trying to -- What are you trying to achieve with your efforts in that area?

Mr. Greenberger

We are trying to get the translational research that is done at universities to commercialize in Philadelphia, and there are a number of issues associated with doing that. One of the key ones has to do with when these -- when this research is at a position to be commercialized, very frequently the venture capital to do it is elsewhere, or people decide on their own that they think they want 270 to move to a place where there is more venture capital.

Councilman Green

So, what specifically is your goal with respect to the problem you just defined? What is your --

Mr. Greenberger

Two goals. One is to, as I mentioned earlier, to address the gap in funding availability by creating a fund here that could be used to help support these businesses through the sort of difficult transition from their start up to their venture capital world, and the second one -- and in terms of specifics, no, I don't have a specific number in mind. I would be very happy to see just a couple of these things happen because they haven't been happening. They go elsewhere.

Councilman Green

Actually, the biggest group of investments from, I think it is Benjamin Franklin, funds that they are making are not in the technology space but in the life sciences space and some of -- and generally those businesses start in the sciences center. 271

Mr. Greenberger

Many of them do. Not all of them do.

Councilman Green

Not all, but many, many do.

Mr. Greenberger

That's right, and they're really focused on that.

Councilman Green

And then when they get to their next stage of funding is when they move out of the City.

Mr. Greenberger

Right, when they need more serious money.

Councilman Green

So, the foundational capital has been available in the City for the life sciences phase.

Mr. Greenberger

Possibly more for the life sciences, yes.

Councilman Green

Well, that is the space we are discussing.

Mr. Greenberger

I understand.

Councilman Green

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess I will come back.

Councilman Jones

Thank you for your courtesy, Council. Chair now recognizes Councilwoman Brown. 272

Councilwoman Brown

Two final items. I would like to go back to your very early testimony where you talked about the explosion of young talent in our City and the strategic activities you have underway to not only capture their attention, but hopefully hold on to them, because it is smart, and to the extent that we can be successful with that, it is certainly great for the City. So, I wanted to say thank you for that recognition of what it potentially means for our City. My final question is around the chambers in the City. In my early years here there was a budget line item, if I remember, for funding of the African-American Chamber, the Hispanic Chamber, Northeast Chamber, the Asian Chamber, and this year I could not find that in the budget detail. So, are any of the chambers still funded by the Commerce Department, and if yes, how does this compare to previous years?

Mr. Greenberger

The answer is, yes, 273 to the African-American Chamber, the Hispanic Chamber, and the Asian American Chamber. The funding for them has gone down somewhat over the years because the funding for the department has gone down some, but they are still -- They still receive significant money. Not all the same money, obviously.

Councilwoman

BROWN: Of course.

Mr. Greenberger

But they get significant money from us.

Councilwoman Brown

What are the expectations tied to that funding by the department?

Mr. Greenberger

Well, that is a good question. A lot of these organizations need to -- they have gone through the same thing that we and everybody else has gone through in the last couple years. This is very much about survival for many organizations, and so I think a lot of attention has been focused on, do we have a viable operation here. Can we, now talking as one of the chambers, deliver the services to our members. There have been particular issues that 274 were raised by some of them that we can participate and work on. One of the ones, for example, that's come up I think more through the African-American Chamber, although it may apply to a number of organizations or a number of communities, is the problem with general contracting and bonding, the availability of bonding. We are working with PIDC to explore whether we can create a fund that would make the bonding facility easier, for example.

Ms. Brown

Okay. Are you optimistic that that will come to pass?

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah. I, actually, am optimistic about that. I think there is a real opportunity here.

Mr. Gregory

If I may, Councilwoman, you should know that each one of those; African-American, Hispanic and Asian, each have a contract with us. In those contracts, it is explicit about what goals and objectives we are looking to get out of them. As an example, there is language in there, goals and objectives around referring 275 a number of firms to get registered with the City of Philadelphia --

Councilwoman Brown

Oh, okay.

Mr. Gregory

-- through the certification process. So then, we don't register, we don't certify anymore. But from certified to getting them into our registry, there is specific numbers in there. There is specific numbers around technical and outreach activities that they have to do. A certain number of loan referrals and things of that nature. So, there are very specific items in each one of those contracts. The Asian one is a little bit different because it is a little more organizational development, because the Asian one has not -- was not yet as fully operational as we would have liked. So, our role there is to help build their capacity so that they can then build the capacity of the Asian business community. So, it's a little bit different there, but still some objectives around getting the organization to the point where it can be self-sustained. 276

Councilwoman Brown

Of course. Is that budget, those funding items are found in the budget detail? Because I couldn't find them.

Mr. Greenberger

Should be, but we will find them and point them out to you.

Councilwoman Brown

Would you, please.

Mr. Gregory

We will point those out.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Councilman Jones

You are welcome, Madam Council Person. We are gonna go to Councilman Green, but while we are doing that, I want to put this out there so we can get an answer. There is a program by which new businesses that are foreign can come here and with a million dollars worth of investment get a green card, and I understand that that program -- I want to get some statistics as to whether or not that has been utilized and to what extent. If you could get someone up here to answer that question. I now will recognize Councilman Green for his 277 questions.

Mr. Greenberger

Do you want me to answer that one first? It's the same line.

Councilman Jones

Go ahead, please.

Mr. Greenberger

I think you are referring to what is called the welcome fund.

Councilman Jones

Yes.

Mr. Greenberger

Also, referred generically as EB-5. What that is, is, it's a national program, although Philadelphia is one of the first cities to take advantage of it in the United States in a pretty serious way. By which, packets of half million dollar investments are made by foreign individuals in a project. Typically you might pull dozens of these things, depending on the size of the project. These are loans. You might pull dozens of such packets of half million dollar investments together. The project has to produce a certain number of jobs. I think it is one per $50,000 of investment over a two year -- in a two-year period, and during that time the individuals who make the investments are 278 vetted by the Immigration of Naturalization Services to qualify for a green card. So, if they are vetted fully and if the investment produces the jobs, they get a green card.

Councilman Jones

So, have we taken advantage of that, marketed it to --

Mr. Greenberger

Yes, we have.

Councilman Jones

-- to particularly Hispanic immigration and to the large Caribbean and African population in the City, as well as Councilman Oh, the Korean population, are we utilizing that program here in Philly?

Mr. Greenberger

The program is being utilized, and I will give you a couple of examples of loans made relative -- Well, the whole thing is relatively new. But, there are significant loans, to the Convention Authority, it was made through the welcome fund. Significant loan to SEPTA to finance the evolution of kind of the kind of Smart Card system. Significant loan to Kimpton in the development of the Kimpton Monacher Hotel. 279

Councilman Jones

Do we have statistics on each utilization?

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah, we can get you those.

Councilman Jones

We'd like you to provide that to the Chair and we will make it available to all members of Council and also by district where those investments wound up.

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah. I will tell you just parenthetically, I don't know the demographic makeup of the investors.

Councilman Jones

Is there any way to find that out?

Mr. Greenberger

There probably is. Let me look into that. I do know that in at least the last several years it's been very, very heavily done by Chinese investors.

Councilman Jones

I would just like to get a better sense of who, what, where, and why.

Mr. Greenberger

Yes. By the way, realize, once they have green cards, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with 280 this area. This is just an open green card for the United States.

Councilman Green

Point of information.

Councilman Jones

Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Thank you. It is called the EB-5 Program. We are one of the first Cities that has organized a center that allows us to aggregate funds and then loan it out and allows the people who invest in the fund to get credit without having to invest in a specific business. So, diversifying the risk and bringing people in. Unfortunately the fund has not really been used to invest in businesses, as you have heard. It's been used primarily for commercial office fit out for new tenants, which allows them to create -- to have, quote unquote, you know, job creation for the fit out and then for the businesses to go in there. The SEPTA thing, the Kimpton thing. Project deals that would have happened anyway, this just happens to be a very low 281 interest source of money for those projects. Because we are a center, we can get away with doing that without actually investing in real businesses. I look very forward to seeing the detail that is gonna come from the Commerce Department.

Councilman Jones

Who administers this program on our behalf?

Mr. Greenberger

It is run through what you might think of as sort of an association between PIDC, who is -- who brings the investment opportunity to the table and in our case, a firm named Canaan, who identifies the investors and sort of walks investors through the whole process of vetting with INS.

Councilman Jones

As we start to try to struggle to find financing vehicles for the grocery stores where there are food deserts in some parts of our town, could this not have been used for that effort?

Mr. Greenberger

It could have, but you also have to realize that we can't just bring any project to the floor. The 282 investment group, Canaan in this case, who is putting together the packets of money, are also looking carefully at the investments themselves to assure themselves that, one, they will be paid back. These are typically five year. So, they are fairly short-term loans. Low interest, as Councilman said. They want to assure themselves that the job creation will happen, because if it doesn't, green cards disappear and at least this particular group has been heading to larger and larger projects. I think it is fair to say that their interest in more Governmental or quasi governmental entities is a way --

Councilman Jones

In the spirit of transparencies that we all live under, we would like that to be transparent.

Mr. Greenberger

That is fine.

Councilman Jones

And made available to all Council.

Mr. Greenberger

Sure.

Councilman Jones

Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Thank you, Mr. 283 Chair. So, we discussed, I think, the life sciences industry. What other -- Is there another industry, or?

Mr. Greenberger

I mentioned hospitality earlier on, right. Physically with hotels, expansion of the Convention Center.

Councilman Green

Right.

Mr. Greenberger

I think there is --

Councilman Green

You had specific goals for that, which you are gonna provide to the Chair.

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah. Particularly around hotel development.

Councilman Green

Right.

Mr. Greenberger

I think the only other one that I would want to make mention of, which I am sure I am missing some, is that there is a lot of activity in this City at very, very micro levels related to food. It ranges from people who are trying to do urban agriculture and actually sell it, to people starting restaurants. This whole food movement is showing up in little tiny bits at 284 a time. A lot of enterprises don't make it because they are fragile, they are very personal. Back to Councilwoman Brown's question, one of the things that we are doing strategically --

Councilman Green

Let's stick to my questions if we can.

Mr. Greenberger

Sorry. I don't want to get into your time. The other one that I mentioned that is an emerging one is obviously around Clean Tech. We have this grant to do this GPIC. GPIC is now fully formed. It is supposed to be doing research that is attracting other businesses to be around to take advantage of the research. There is a real opportunity here to expand that capacity.

Councilman Green

So, with respect to urban agriculture, or the last thing you mentioned, which is what tech?

Mr. Greenberger

Clean Tech.

Councilman Green

Clean Tech?

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah. Energy.

Councilman Green

Do you have specific 285 goals?

Mr. Greenberger

Again, no. I do not have specific numbers, but I --

Councilman Green

Will you please provide the Chair with how much Commerce Department and PIDC time is used?

Mr. Greenberger

I will try.

Councilman Green

What was used in the last year on these specific areas that you are focusing on, will be used next year on these specific areas you are focusing on, and where you have goals, what those goals are, so that we can understand the allocation of resources among your areas of priority. Several times during the testimony you mentioned the lack of available venture capital. Are you familiar with the law that recently -- that the administration supported that recently passed City Council?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes.

Councilman Green

Do you have, as a goal, a plan to now use the fact that all of Philadelphia will be a tax-free zone for the venture capital space or any investment fund 286 space to specifically recruit people to come into the City of Philadelphia as a consequence of that?

Mr. Greenberger

We are specifically working with one right now, a very consequential person, a very consequential firm in the field of venture capital to get them to move their offices into Philadelphia.

Councilman Green

Right. I have been told by several firms that they are going to move in. Is there a campaign to inform all the funds around the City with respect to this and in particular, a campaign to go to New Jersey and other places which have far worse tax policy at the state level than Pennsylvania has, and now we have taken Philadelphia's taxes out of the equation, makes us extraordinarily competitive. I am aware of several New Jersey private equity funds that just moved to Yardley instead of Philadelphia because of our tax structure, which is no longer a problem. Is there a campaign that you are 287 planning to go pursue these private investment funds around the region?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes, there is. It is in the early stages. We are discussing this with key individuals who are very involved in this sector of the work to figure out how best to do this. I will be happy to engage you in that conversation.

Councilman Green

So, there is no 10 current plan and there is no goals, but there will be a campaign --

Mr. Greenberger

Yes, there will.

Councilman Green

-- of outreach, and potential advertising?

Mr. Greenberger

That's right.

Councilman Green

Okay. I would be very happy to give you my thoughts in that area and be involved --

Mr. Greenberger

I'd like to hear them. I think it's a complicated area.

Councilman Green

-- not at the moment though, my time is up. Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Yes, sir. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Goode. 288

Councilman Goode

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon. Just out of curiosity, aside from salaries and benefits, and aside from any State or Federal funding, what type of general fund support is there for economic development programs?

Mr. Greenberger

What type? You mean -- You are not talking about our operations, you are talking about --

Councilman Goode

Aside from State and Federal funding, aside from any support specifically for staff, salaries and benefits. What type of general fund support is there for economic development programs?

Mr. Greenberger

The money that is available primarily resides at PIDC through various programs. Some CDBG sponsored, some private money --

Councilman Goode

That's not my question.

Mr. Greenberger

That's not your question?

Councilman Goode

My question is, what type of general fund support? 289

Mr. Greenberger

There is something called the Economic Stimulus Fund that resides at PIDC, that the City puts money --

Councilman Goode

How much in Stimulus funding is projected for Fiscal Year '13?

Mr. Greenberger

We try to set aside about a million dollars a year.

Councilman Goode

Aside from that, what sort of general fund support?

Mr. Greenberger

That is the primary general fund support right there.

Councilman Goode

So, there is no 13 general fund support aside from the Stimulus funding?

Mr. Greenberger

That's correct.

Councilman Goode

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Councilman Jones

I thank you, Councilman. We will go back to Councilman Green. I will just let you know, you are the last one on the radar, so.

Councilman Green

Excellent. Looks like I will get through these questions. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 290 So, you mentioned Clean Tech, and a lot of that effort has been focused at the Navy Yard, which is a KOZ. Is there a thought of not using that space for manufacturing, especially Clean Tech manufacturing and trying to focus the relocation of that elsewhere in the City, given that KOZ space is dear and manufacturing is now going to be single sales factor starting in, I think, finally implemented by 2015 or 2016.

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah. Something like that.

Councilman Green

So, the need to use that space for a tax advantage business may be more appropriate for a knowledge based industry or other businesses that aren't gonna have the tax advantage of single sales factor?

Mr. Greenberger

I think that is something we need to be considering. I mean, we are obviously even now just using the one at the Navy Yard. We are even now just seeing possibly the non need in certain sectors for it. Glaxo, for instance, is 291 moving to the Navy Yard. They are not taking advantage of KOZ to do that. So, they are just doing it because they have other reasons why they want to do it. This gets back to an earlier question about how effectively we are using KOZs and where. And we are again in the early stages of understanding what the new laws are, where we need to be putting our efforts and I think making an honest evaluation about the effectiveness of the KOZs that we have and whether they are truly being effective or whether they are not. I think in some instances, they are not.

Councilman Green

We spent a very long process with the administration getting the single sales factor. So, my question is, what has been communicated to manufacturing, distribution, logistics, people who sell goods, wholesalers, that is in the City that are currently here to let them know that the law is changing such that they will be on a level playing field with their competitors and retain them? 292 Has there been any mailing or outreach to any of the businesses? You mentioned earlier that retention is almost more important than business attraction?

Mr. Greenberger

Yeah.

Councilman Green

What specifically has been done to retain the people that are in the City?

Mr. Greenberger

It is early on. There has not been, as far as I am aware, an organized campaign to do that, but there needs to be one.

Councilman Green

There is not a plan for an organized campaign, but you'll add that to your list?

Mr. Greenberger

That is on the list.

Councilman Green

So, there is some specific programs that we have discussed before and in budget testimony two years ago, you confirmed that Karen Randall and Dwayne Baum were the, quote unquote, primary people in the City government doing business attraction. I hold them both in very high regard, but as the fifth largest City in the 293 country, do we think that that is enough people doing the work and within the Commerce Department, and is there a plan to expand the personnel engaged in business attraction activity?

Mr. Greenberger

It is not enough. We have expanded our internal staff by one, but this is I think also what motivated PIDC to reassign Ann Nevans as head of marketing so that we can pool resources with them and, basically, turn three and four people into eight and nine people.

Councilman Green

So, there are eight or nine people doing business attraction in the City?

Mr. Greenberger

I think so, yeah. With combined forces between Commerce and PIDC, yes.

Councilman Green

Could you please provide that list to Chair, along with the job descriptions of the people doing business attraction?

Mr. Greenberger

Sure.

Councilman Green

Not just their job 294 descriptions within business attraction, but their overall job description, and the allocation of time that they have to business attraction as compared to their other duties?

Mr. Greenberger

Mm-hmm.

Councilman Green

Thank you. So, there are still -- there are now three full-time people in the Commerce Department doing business attraction?

Mr. Greenberger

Well, there is four. With Vince Darby who is specifically in charge of managing KOZ and the industrial uses that are in it.

Councilman Green

He is a City employee also?

Mr. Greenberger

He is a City employee, yes.

Councilman Green

So, who is the fourth?

Mr. Greenberger

I am sorry. So, there is Vince. Dawn Summerville, who we added to the staff. Karen Randall, Dwayne Baum. That is kind of the key staff. 295

Councilman Green

Over a year ago we talked about dedicating meaningful Commerce Department staff -- I am sorry. To being proactive and building business plans. We have talked about this for the last three or four years, but one specific thing we mentioned would include tapping private sector knowledge about what leases are expiring in other regional more high cost Cities to do business, like New York City, North Jersey, et cetera, so we can understand what commercial leases are expiring and make a concerted specific effort to go attract those businesses. In previous conversations about this, we have discussed how the Alabama and Tennessee and many southern development authorities.

Mr. Gregory

North Carolina.

Councilman Green

North Carolina. Come up to our manufacturers and recruit them to move to a lower cost environment and that is one of the reasons it was necessary for us to go to single sales factor to try to retain what we have, because we were losing that 296 competition. They were paying them to move down and they would be in a much better tax advantage situation. So, in terms of us doing that proactively, have we undertaken any effort to identify expiring leases and target those companies in higher cost areas, not in the City of Philadelphia with respect to we specifically discuss commercial leases? Has that been done?

Mr. Greenberger

No, it's not been done and I think if it is gonna be done, and if it is gonna be effective, it has to be done with the State as a major partner. I mean, the ones that you just mentioned, they are all states. We can't pretend to be a state.

Councilman Green

We are not pretending to be a state. We are trying to take knowledge based industries from commercial leases in other places and I am confident the state -- Have we asked the State to help us in this effort?

Mr. Greenberger

We actually have been 297 doing it, I think, more aggressively in the previous administration. We are not sure yet how to do it with this administration. I am not saying they're not interested. I think they are interested, but we haven't done that.

Councilman Green

Have we ever undertaken the program I just described with the State? Have we asked specifically for the program I just described for the State to assist with that program?

Mr. Greenberger

I don't know the answer.

Councilman Green

Have you?

Mr. Greenberger

No, I have not, but I can't answer for before me.

Councilman Green

Well, the only person before you in this administration is Andrew Altman.

Mr. Greenberger

Well, I meant I can't answer for both him and the --

Councilman Green

As far as you know, no one in the administration has made that request to the State? 298

Mr. Greenberger

I don't know the answer. I can only answer for myself.

Councilman Green

And hopefully through the people who are in the Commerce Department?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes.

Councilman Green

So, there's no 8 return on investment analysis available to see whether or not that makes sense or anything else?

Mr. Greenberger

I have talked to several major developers because I wanted to get their perspective on it. People who operate at a more regional and national scale and I have heard -- I am trying to think how to characterize it. Mostly negative opinion about that. Having some people, I won't bring names into it, but people who feel they have researched it before, tried it, didn't feel they got anywhere, didn't feel it was the best expenditure of their time, concentrated more on what I was talking about before, which was expansion of current clients, expansion for people who are in our 299 midst now. I've heard that several times from several major developers. I'm not saying that that makes a perfect story. I am just saying I did reach out. I want you to understand.

Councilman Green

I don't think you mean developers. Do you mean commercial property owners?

Mr. Greenberger

Well, the commercial property owners and commercial developers who are looking to lure businesses to another place.

Councilman Green

Like a black rock, for example?

Mr. Greenberger

Yes. I mean, I haven't talked to them, but, yes, like that.

Councilman Green

Which we lured to the City of Philadelphia -- almost lured --

Mr. Greenberger

Almost lured to the City of Philadelphia.

Councilman Green

-- the City of Philadelphia into a tax-free zone.

Mr. Greenberger

Into a KOZ, that's right. 300

Councilman Green

There are private investment funds all over North Jersey and New York that would now not need to be in a KOZ to be in the City of Philadelphia?

Mr. Greenberger

Well, one would hope that is true. As you know, it's a bigger story than simply the tax picture. That is a critical piece of it, but it's not the only piece. There is lots of things that cause people to be where they want to be.

Councilman Green

I am not gonna burden everybody with this. I have specific requests to each department. I asked that these details be provided prior to the department's testimony. As far as I know, I have not received a list of all contracts over 50,000, what's been encumbered, unencumbered, et cetera, for current year. Who the TBD -- where the TBD money is supposed to go for those contracts, et cetera. So, we will re-send you -- the administration is aware of these questions.

Mr. Greenberger

Okay.

Councilman Green

I'd like to get the 301 answers to those questions so I can ask questions on that on a call back, rather than engaging in a kind of dialogue about it. So, I guess just one final question. When you and PIDC went out in the suburbs and talked to businesses that you are trying to get to open gateway offices, as the example you gave, did you ask them why they are in the suburbs or why they moved there, if they moved there?

Mr. Greenberger

No. We didn't have that specific conversation. At least with the ones that I am thinking about, no. 14

Councilman Green

Okay. No further questions.

Councilwoman Brown

Does that conclude your questioning?

Councilman Green

Yes.

Councilwoman Brown

Any more questions for these witnesses? It appears that your chapter for the day is done.

Mr. Greenberger

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you very 302 much for your testimony and the work that you do. For all witnesses that will be speaking for the Philadelphia Board of Ethics, please move to the witness table. Good afternoon. Please state your name for the record and proceed with your testimony.

Mr. Glazer

Good afternoon, Chairman Reynolds-Brown, Members of City Council. My name is Richard Glazer. I serve as a Chair on the Philadelphia Board of Ethics. Thanks for the opportunity to speak on the proposed FY13 Budget for the Board Of Ethics. Before discussing FY13 appropriation, I would like to give you a sense of the breath of the Board's work during the past year. We have been advised that in accordance with FY13 Council Budget procedures, we have been requested to summarize our testimony. So, the testimony that has been provided of six pages, I will attempt to summarize and provide the essence of that during this testimony. First of all, training. During -- 303 That, in our view, is the most important priority for us. During the past year we continued to focus our work on education, training and outreach efforts because we believe the City officials, employees, candidates and now those engaged in lobbying can avoid making mistakes if they know how the Public Integrity Laws apply to them. The Board prepared for the 2011 municipal elections by conducting training 12 sessions on the Campaign Finance Law that were attended by more than a hundred candidates, treasurers, and campaign staff members. Each session covered the requirements for candidates and political committees under the Pennsylvania Election Code and Philadelphia's Campaign Finance Law. To promote compliance with the Campaign Finance Law and to avoid non-filing violations, our staff issued a sequence of reminder e-mails about due dates for Campaign Finance Reports in advance of each reporting 304 cycle deadline and to alert campaign entities of the hours and the independent expenditure reporting requirements. As with campaign finance training, the goal of ethics training is to prevent potential violations. Half our staff members are involved in scheduling, designing, and presenting in-person ethics training sessions. During the past year we again focused on training new City employees and there were live ethics training sessions 12 attended by more than 300 people. 13 We expect our training activity to 14 expand expedentially as we add mandatory 15 lobbying training to our training calendar in the near future. Second broad item, lobbying. The Board's efforts to implement the City's new lobbying law were a major focus of our work in the last 12 months. Board staff presented a completely new lobbying regulation to the Board in May to clarify the registration reporting requirements of the new lobbying code. The proposed regulation became the 305 subject of a lawsuit filed by Philadelphia Bar Association, asserting that the lobbying law may be unconstitutional if it applies to lawyers engaged in the practice of law. The Bar Association sought to prevent the City's Lobbying Ordinance from taking effect until the merits of its Complaint for Declaratory Judgement and Permanent Injunction were determined. The Bar Association withdrew its Complaint in response to the Board's July 7th resolution that delayed any enforcement of the Lobbying Code until after the Board clarified who must comply with the law and what activities are covered. What followed during the summer was a series of collaborative and productive meetings with representatives of the Bar Association and other interested parties, including members of Council staff. Major changes were suggested and incorporated in the version of Regulation 9 that became effective on November 21st and were intended to clarify that there are many 306 communications with City officials and employees that are routine and do not constitute lobbying. Our staff also began an extensive outreach program to individuals and groups that might have an interest in lobbying in the City of Philadelphia. The other aspect of the lobbying was electronic registration and reporting, and that system is required by the Lobbying Code and that remains unfinished today. Gov project.

Mr. Glazer

Progress on this mandatory electronic filing system has been slow and difficult, has consumed much staff time and is still in development. Due to problems with the original project concept, OIT deemed that the site designed by the vendor was nonfunctional and had to be redesigned. On November 16th, the Board announced that it would delay implementation of the law 307 until January 3, 2012, and when the software still wasn't ready on January 3rd, our staff created an interim paper registration system for lobbyists, firms, and principals that was ready on January 3rd. We believed that it was imperative to the public policy of the lobbying code to bring forth transparency to City government, we have therefore, also made limited lobbying registration information available on our website. We are currently also designing an interim paper filing solution for the Expense Reports that are due by April 30th. This project continues to be a severe drain on the Ethics Board's very small staff. Next major item is advice. Providing advice is a key ongoing responsibility of the Board and an essential way to prevent potential violations to the Ethics law. There were 16 written Advisories issued in calendar year of 2011, one Formal Board Opinion, and 15 Advises of Council. Requests for Board advice frequently deal with multiple topics and require an analysis of multiple 308 provisions of the Home Rule Charter, City Code, and occasionally reference to other legal authority. Our staff also answered 75 general questions by e-mail. We answer a particularly large number of campaign finance and financial disclosure questions by phone and the demand for telephone assistance has already increased to address lobbying related questions. To promote financial disclosure compliance, again in 2011, we sent reminder e-mails to more than 6,000 City employees and to hundreds of Boards and Commission members about their financial disclosure obligation. On the enforcement side. In 2011, Board staff conducted numerous investigations of potential violations of the Public Integrity Laws, which resulted in 12 settlement agreements involving violations of the Campaign Finance Law and two involving violations of the Home Rule Charters Prohibitions on Employee Political Activity. In many other cases, Board staff terminated the investigation after determining that a 309 violation had not occurred. The Board remains committed to continuing and improving its outreach and education efforts in order to foster high levels of compliance with all of the laws it administers. Now, as to FY13 appropriation, the Ethics Board Proposed Operating Budget for FY13 is $898,000. This includes $788,000 for personnel; $96,000 for services; $14,000 for materials, supplies and equipment. It is important to understand that the appropriation of $788,000 in class 100, the personnel one, presumes that the Board will obtain $88,000 in FY13 from the Fund for Philadelphia. While these funds permit us to hire three new staff members for the short-term, the funds are finite and do not provide a long-term solution to our staffing problem. Currently issues raised by the Civil Service have delayed our use of Fund of Philadelphia money to hire new staff in FY12. We, therefore, request your support for an 310 additional $120,000 beginning in FY13 to guarantee we can fund these three additional staff positions in light of our vastly increased workload. The Board continues to defend legal challenges to its authority and actions as well as to the City's laws themselves relating to our jurisdiction. We have been very fortunate to have pro bono representation in two major ongoing cases and these legal services were valued at more than $500,000 in 2011 alone. We are always aware that these generous volunteer legal services may be with withdrawn at any time or may not be available in future litigation.

Mr. Glazer

We believe that our efforts to administer and promote the City's Public Integrity Laws have, in just a few short years, changed the public's perception of City government and increased confidence in the integrity of City government. However, we continue to struggle with inadequate funding and staffing and believe that a moderate increase in resources would allow us 311 to strengthen our efforts and to satisfy the increasing demands placed on our agency. Thanks very much. Staff and I will be pleased to take any questions you may have, and of course be pleased to meet with any of the Council folks at their convenience if they would like to discuss these issues further.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay. Then. Thank you very much for your testimony. Given the hurdles you acknowledge in your testimony, around the start up and roll out of the lobbying project, have you set a goal date that may have to change because of inadequate staffing and the IT hurdles you have run into?

Mr. Glazer

Councilman, even though I'm a very active Chair, I am the Chair, and not staff. So, I would like to call up two people to help answer that question.

Councilwoman Brown

Absolutely.

Mr. Glazer

The Chief Innovation Officer, Adel Ebeid and member of our staff, Deputy Executive Director, Nedda Massar. 312

Councilwoman Brown

Please.

Mr. Ebeid

Good afternoon.

Ms. Massar

Good afternoon.

Councilwoman Brown

So, share with us, I won't say briefly, goal dates are always important, particularly if you factor in or when you factor in hurdles that have already been articulated in the record. So, knowing what the hurdles are, what would you see as a new goal date for the completion of the lobbying project? Do you see it this Fiscal Year? Do you see it more months out? 13 Just an idea. 14

Ms. Massar

I believe -- Nedda Massar, 15 Deputy Executive Director. I believe that 16 Fiscal Year 13. We are almost at the end of 17 Fiscal Year 12 in a lot of ways. That Fiscal 18 Year 13, we would be able to complete that 19 project regardless of the approach that we 20 take. The Board and those of us on staff, as 21 our Chair indicated, believed it was 22 important to make information available, even 23 if it was through a paper process and 24 disclosure. We believe we have done that and 313 with the assistance of OIT, we will have Expense Report information on our website as well until the complete on-line project can be done.

Councilwoman Brown

My second and final question is, on the topic of outreach and education, the testimony indicated that there were ethics training sessions. They 9 are principally and solely for City 10 employees; is that correct? 11

Ms. Massar

The ethics training 12 sessions counted there, yes, are for City 13 officials and employees. 14

Councilwoman Brown

Has there ever 15 been any consideration, and the reason why I have raised the question, you mentioned, there were 75 e-mails and countless memos, written responses that you have to offer to persons who want to do the right thing. People don't enter an elected office with the intent -- 99.9 percent enter to want to do goodwill, but often times we might be surrounded by enthusiastic volunteers who don't fully understand the particulars of the 314 law. So, has there ever been any consideration given to having ethics training sessions for those who are extensions of a candidate: Campaign volunteers and the like, who have key principal roles in campaigns, and in a world now where there's been an uptake in guidelines and regulations and we know time is needed to get it right and to learn what those new guidelines are so you can be in compliance, any consideration given to those who are not City employee's but are actively involved in campaign efforts and want to honor the law?

Mr. Glazer

We are gonna distinguish between the ethics training, which is mandatory, and the campaign finance training which is not mandatory. When we have offered the various campaign finance training, that has not been limited exclusively. In fact, we have done everything possible to reach out to people, and I gather about a hundred people attended our campaign, some of them treasurers, some of them staff. 315 So, the answer is, it's a complicated law and we do everything possible to try and train people, and it doesn't stop there, because our staff is constantly on the phone and answering questions, from not just City employees or candidates, but anyone who has interest in campaign finance, and that is particularly heavy volume during the time right before reports --

Councilwoman Brown

Filing, of course.

Mr. Glazer

-- are required to be filed.

Councilwoman Brown

Of course. Okay, then. Thank you very much. Councilman Bill 16 Green.

Councilman Green

Thank you. My specific question relates to the Chair's first question, which is when will we have an electronic filing of lobbyist reports as required by law? Specifically during last week's Budget Hearing, OIT testified that the Board considered and rejected using the State 316 system which is a system which is already in place and built and developed. Could we -- I would just like to understand what the history is there and then also, you know, can we get a definitive date from OIT?

Mr. Ebeid

Councilman Green, Adel Ebeid, CIO. I will share with you the milestones as I am aware of them, leading up to today. When I testified last week, I shared with you that the vendor that has been, that the City has contracted with, has delivered a series of software releases. As late as last week, two, and one more that is due this week. Based on what we have seen so far, even though it is an early conclusion, but we believe it is gonna fall far short from what the Board's original user requirements.

Councilman Green

So, there is no 20 point going back in the history of how we got here except for the specifics.

Mr. Ebeid

I figured I would start with the last one and see if you --

Councilman Green

Except for the 317 specific question of why we have rejected trying to piggy back on what the State has already got?

Ms. Massar

If I might. We visited, members of our staff, visited the State back in the summer of 2010 and looked at the software and saw certain problems with it. After we visited, then members of the staff of OIT, then DOT, visited as well and they were under the impression that the system needed serious fixes and revising and that many filers -- it is not mandatory, electronic filing, at the State level, and that many filers continued to file on paper because of problems with the software. Unofficially, we were later advised that they will probably be scrapping this system as it exists right now. I don't know if that has happened or not, and since it was possibly going to be abandoned, it was the decision at that point, I believe it was November --

Councilman Green

That makes perfect sense. 318

Ms. Massar

So, we did not follow suit with that.

Councilman Green

Okay. So, the final question is, how long will it take for -- This is a basic form that information from it will go into the database, it could be on Google Forms. I mean, it is not a complicated undertaking, I don't believe, to get data in fields and have it made available on the internet for public consumption. I think a simple RFP could probably have the people doing this in Indy Hall, you now in several weeks or a month if we have clearly defined -- you know, an architecture or plan for how the system is to function. I am just wondering why we don't, at this point, issue an RFP with clearly defined goals and see what we get back, rather than going to a vendor and trying to do this the same way we did it before.

Mr. Ebeid

Just a point of clarification. You are somewhat correct, the system is not as complicated. However, there is some complexity in it with regard to work 319 flow and credentialing. So, it is not all straight forward.

Councilman Green

Has that all been written, requirements for that?

Mr. Ebeid

There is a set of user requirements that have been drafted jointly that I believe are in pretty good shape and paint a pretty good picture of what the Board of Ethics would like to see in order to implement the spirit and the intent of the law. Let me just cut to the chase here. Monday, April 16th is our drop date. If we do not -- If we are not happy with what the vendor has delivered as of that date, we are going to terminate the contract, jointly document the process, and approach the Department of Law to see if we have any claims against the vendor, which I think we would.

Councilman Green

Yeah.

Mr. Ebeid

We would then move on to, there are three other options that we could pursue. I am gonna list them in the order of preference. New York City has offered their 320 system, so that could be an option.

Councilman Green

That is awesome.

Mr. Ebeid

That could be one option. A second option, we could do what you just suggested, which is go out with an RFP and pursue another vendor, and option three, which is my least preferred, but it is possible that we would could bring it in-house and finish the project. Based on the requirements that I have seen, this is the type of project that should not take more than four months. It is unfortunate of all the events that OIT and the Board of Ethics got dragged in to, but we are where we are. We are trying to recover from it as soon as possible.

Councilman Green

I ran a software company and I can tell you, the company I ran, this would take less than two weeks. So, I understand that Government process is long no matter what you do because of the need for an RFP even before people start work, but I would suggest that if we can pursue using New York's, and I agree that is 321 what we ought to do. So, the closest deadline you are willing to commit to is four months from April 16th?

Mr. Ebeid

Based on the requirements that I have seen. I don't understand why it would take more than four months for a capable vendor to produce a solution.

Councilman Green

Unless we take New York City's solution.

Mr. Ebeid

We would have to customize New York City even though it might be, my guess, cut down on some of the deployment time, we would certainly have to share it with the Board of Ethics. See how close it is, and work on the gaps. Certainly starting with something is much better than starting from scratch.

Councilman Green

Okay. Thank you. I am just gonna put my other questions on the record.

Councilwoman Brown

Council, please don't force me.

Councilman Green

Madam Chair, I would like to put my questions on the record and 322 then not ask any more questions.

Councilwoman Brown

Oh, okay. Very well. Proceed.

Councilman Green

If you would please provide to the Chair an explanation of what the problem is with the Civil Service Commission in terms of providing the funds that have been allocated to you since the Street administration? Not answer today, but provide that to the Chair so that we can understand that. Let us know if an interim solution might be a loan from the City that was repaid when you finally get those funds. If that is something you can work through, and I have questions about Class 200 contracts that every department has been required to provide to The Chair prior to the testimony. I don't have that, and if you could just provide that information to The Chair. If you don't have a copy of those questions, which you may not, because it went through the administration, we will provide them to you. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Councilwoman Brown

You're welcome. 323 Councilman Jim Kenney, please.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you.

Councilwoman Brown

You're welcome.

Councilman Kenney

Just in a general way. I think I have said this to you before. When we first started out in this new process, in this new world, there was lot of bumps in the road, and just getting people to understand the changing culture. I think we are actually getting there. I sense that there is a smoother -- This last election period was a smoother go, with a lot less information that was needed quickly. It seemed like a lot more of a calmer pace. So, I think as time goes on, things will get even better. The issue I want to raise is relative to the ability, or if you are looking at the ability to do ethics training on-line with an interactive -- I have seen so many interactive on-line interfaces that, you get through it. You have to answer the questions. So you know people are participating and reading it and 324 understanding it. I just think it would be so much easier than trying to round people up and get them to a physical training as opposed to requiring them to go through this every year at their desktop. So, where is that going or what do you think about that?

Mr. Glazer

It was at your suggestion that we have pursued this, and I think we are at point where we can give you some information.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you.

Ms. Massar

This is one of those instances where our staffing has had an impact on our ability to deliver. We have been concentrating heavily this past year on campaign finance, outreach, and training and the lobbying projects. We have made technical progress with the on-line software. There had been a problem, we believe that is solved at this point. We are working to develop the content right now and we hope to have some kind of pilot project available in the fall 325 once we get lobbying launched, we will go back to this. It is our goal to have it available on a broader basis. It would probably be next calendar year, but we hope to have an on-line pilot project to test the whole system before the end of this calendar year.

Councilman Kenney

I will assume that that in place, at some point in time would free up your staff for other duties that, instead of conducting these in-person seminars, they would be going doing other things too.

Ms. Massar

It will still require that we monitor who has taken, and that was actually the technical problem that we had to resolve, was the receipt process, so that we know who has taken the on-line training. So, we will still need some staff to track that. To make the software available, there will have to be several modules, depending upon the content, and we will have to make those available in some kind of sequence and target those people who are to be taking that 326 particular training. But, you are absolutely right, it will be a different kind of work flow that is involved.

Councilman Kenney

Okay. Great. Thank you. Thanks.

Councilwoman Brown

Point of information. Councilman Kenney, do you know if other municipalities actually do that?

Councilman Kenney

I don't know, but I know when are you are taking tests, for example, on-line tests or on-line learning, there is -- the platforms exists and the software exists that you can have that relatively easy based on the amount of resources you have to implement them. I just think -- You know when you get your -- It is hard getting me down to one of these things, or over to your offices or in the caucus room. So, just to be able to sit for a half an hour, 45 minutes and go through it, I think would be helpful.

Councilwoman Brown

Yes. Let me say on behalf of Council members, it was appreciated that you made a decision to allow members of 327 Council and staff of Council to take the training sessions here. It was very, very helpful. So, thank you for that management decision. We thank you for your testimony. Anyone else to speak to these witnesses? Thank you very much.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you.

Councilwoman Brown

At this hour we'd like to call up Community College of Philadelphia. Good afternoon. Welcome to the Budget City Council Hearings. You may please state your name. State your name for the record and proceed with your testimony.

Ms. Fernandez

Good afternoon. I am Varsovia Fernandez. Afternoon, Council President Clarke. I am sorry, I am reading this stuff, Madam Chair. Good afternoon, Councilwoman Reynolds-Brown and all members of Council who have been patient enough to stay here for us. I am Varsovia Fernandez, Chair of the Community College of Philadelphia. My day job is President and CEO of the Greater Philadelphia Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. 328 Joining me is college President Dr. Stephen Curtis, as well as several members of our cabinet, including Sam Hirsch, Office of Student Affairs. I have Jill Garfinkle, our General Counsel, and Vice President of Human Resources. Lynette Brown-Sow, our Vice President of Marketing Government Relations. Dr. Judith Head, our head of Academic Affairs. My colleagues on the Board of Trustees and I are Government Civic and business leaders who represent a cross section of Philadelphia. We volunteer our time because we care deeply about Philadelphia and recognize the importance of Community College of Philadelphia to the future of the City. While Greater Philadelphia is home to more than 100 colleges and universities, Community College of Philadelphia is unique first because it is the only community college in Philadelphia, and second because for many residents, it provides the only affordable access points they have to earn a college degree or certificate. Community 329 College of Philadelphia is an open admission institution that provides access to education for thousands of Philadelphia residents. We offer more than 70 degrees, academic certificates, and proficiency certificate program that allow our students to successfully transfer or enter the workforce. The Board of Trustees is grateful for the support of City Council, and Mayor Nutter continues to provide for the College, especially during this challenging fiscal times when the City's support becomes more relevant to most of our students and adults. For the Community College of Philadelphia to continue meeting the needs of residents thinking to sharpen their skills, advance their careers, and obtain employment, and for employers to draw from our workforce, your support remains highly important. In spite of our budget challenges, we have made quality education and student center services our top priorities. Much of our future centers on what we do during this critical budgetary period. 330 We ask that you consider the growing demand for our programs and the City's critical need for a more educated workforce. The City's financial support is essential if we are to continue to successfully meet our students educational and training needs. I take this opportunity to thank each of you, members of Council, and some of you are not here, for your direct contribution to our City, and in particular to those of you who find ways to get involved with our community college. Thank you.

Councilwoman Brown

You are very, very welcome. We thank you for your testimony and the work that you do in your leadership role there at the University, and the leadership that you have shown with regards to something we care about very much here in this legislative body, and that is to make sure the University at all levels looks like Philadelphia. Thank you very much. President Curtis.

Mr. Curtis

Thank you, Madam Chair. To 331 you and all members of Council, we again appreciate the opportunity to speak today. I am Stephen Curtis, President of Community College of Philadelphia. We have submitted earlier written testimony. I will not go through all that, but I would like to highlight three points that I think pervade the piece. The first point, certainly I will talk in a few minutes about the impact of the economic downturn at every level, not just in the City. Despite the economic situation in which we have found ourselves, I think the college is very proud that we are taking positive steps to help both the City meet its goals, but all the residents of the City meet their individual goals. There are a number of those steps described in the document. I would like to highlight three, if I may. First has to do with enrollment. There are budget reductions taking place all over the US and there are states, I can name a half dozen right off the top of my head, where those reductions have 332 led to public higher education system, community colleges, in some cases, public universities, to cap enrollment and literally turn away students by the tens of thousands. We have made a point of not to do that. I know we are all under the financial crunch but we are very, very pleased that we think when the residents of the City need us the most, we have been able to accommodate those additional enrollments. The last couple of years we have set an all-time record for credit enrollments. This year we will not set an all-time record, we have flattened out in terms of that enrollment, but even within that overall college enrollment there are two of our sites that will set records. We have been fortunate to lease a little bit of additional space at our west regional center. It has made a real difference adding some classroom capacity, additional faculty offices and what we call a learning comments. Think of it as an academic support environment. And for the first time ever, this spring the west 333 regional center passed 1,000 in terms of its head count enrollment. Four years ago, we were fortunate to be able to get permission from the State and dollars to do some expansions, and one of those expansions has been at our northeast regional center. That expansion has now been open for a good year and this Spring that campus passed a 3,000 head count mark for the first time in our history. So, overall we are flat, but there are two examples where, again, we believe we are serving the immediate neighborhoods, the immediate community in ways that we believe are appropriate. A second example of positive steps that I would like to give you is in the area of workforce. Again, this is a moment in time when our students are looking to prepare themselves through education, through training, so that they can be more competitive for the jobs that are out there. I'd like to give you a slightly different take on one way that we have 334 developed to help them in their search. We have taken at least of our Associate Degree programs and carved out of them what we call proficiency certificates. There are five or six courses for credit in key competency areas within the full degree program that we believe will allow a student to get at least an entry level position in the field, and then every course, every credit in that proficiency certificate counts toward the Associate Degree. So in effect, we are building ladders --

Councilwoman Brown

Sure. 14

Mr. Curtis

-- so that you don't have 15 to wait at least two years to get going on 16 that path, and hopefully at least enter the 17 field in an entry level way. I won't go 18 through the whole list, but several are in 19 the Allied health science area; things like 20 patient service representative, biomedical technician, medical office assistant. Some are in the human services field, social or human service assistant, youth work. Some are in the technology based field, 335 digital imaging. GIS, Geographic Information Systems. Just to give you a flavor, but, it's a different approach for us. For many years we went for the full degree and occasionally the certificate, but we are purposely building these ladders in order to help our students begin that trek down a career pathway. But, again, knowing that the full degree will move them even further along that path. One other quick example around workforce, for the business training that we do on campus, the primary facility for that has been our Center For Business and Industry at the Spring Garden campus. With the expansion of our northeast regional center, which geographically is the furthest of our permanent sites from the main campus. We were able to get funding for a center for small business educational training and that is staffed on an everyday basis now, and as one example, we launched a series, I guess about three our four weeks ago, for family owned small businesses. So that we are taking -- I 336 think we had a hundred turn out for our first workshop. There are individual kinds of issues that a family owned business may face that not all other businesses will. As an example, what do you do when you want to pass the business on to another member of the family, et cetera, et cetera. So, we are providing help, we are providing assistance, and again, we think it lines up with the nature of many businesses around the City. So, again, I give you that example. And lastly, as an example of positive steps, even with the funding constraints that we have, we have maintained many of the special programs, and I think the two or three that I will mention I have mentioned here before, but I think it is important because they are programs that make a difference in this kind of economic environment, one is our Opportunity Now, it's the displaced worker program, where if an individual is laid off from full-time employment we offer one tuition free 337 semester. That program stays in place. Another one, we have supported the City's efforts to get its employees in to educational programs, and we do offer a discount on tuition to City employees. There are others I can name too. There are others mentioned in the written testimony, but these are examples, they are intended to be examples, of ways in which we are trying to directly respond to what is going on economically, directly respond to the priorities of the City and so on. I am happy to answer any questions that you have about other things in our testimony. Second point I'd like to highlight is the direct impact of the recession and economic crisis on Community College of Philadelphia. I will start at the Federal level and you will see why I am starting there in just a moment. Every level of Government is feeling the pinch when it comes to the affects of the economy. At the Federal level we have lost some 338 long-time programing support. Again, I can tell you more before that afterwards, but things that in some cases have been with us or 30 years, gone as Congress has moved 5 any other directions to balance the budget, 6 but the one I want to focus on is Pell 7 Grants. There are, approximately, a little 8 over a hundred colleges and universities in 9 the tri-state greater Philadelphia region. 10 Of all those colleges and 11 universities, Community College of 12 Philadelphia is far and away No. 1 in the 13 number of Pell recipients that we have, by 14 some thousands beyond any other college or 15 university in the region.

Mr. Curtis

I say that to 16 emphasize the impact of any change in Pell 17 policy on our students directly and 18 eventually on the college, and those changes 19 have started to occur. 20 The main way that Congress is dealing with what it perceives to be the expanding cost of Pell is to change eligibility requirements. In some cases, they may affect students by the hundreds. In other cases, it 339 may affect a relatively small number of students. An example of the second is the so-called ability to benefit students. Forever, as far as I know, we have been able to accept a small group of students who do not have a high school diploma or a GED, under certain circumstances, but they have been eligible for Pell so they could go to college, and in doing so, get that high school diploma as well as college credits. That group has now been ruled ineligible for Pell. For us, it is probably less than a hundred students, but with the changes going on you have a hundred here, a hundred there. As the saying goes pretty soon you are talking real numbers. So, we are very concerned because we believe the sector of higher education that would be most affected by the changes in Pell eligibility would be community colleges, not just ours, but community colleges in general. So, at the Federal level, that is probably the biggest area of focus that we have. S. Senators and our congressional representatives, but that is a specific impact that does affect us going forward. At the State and local level, I think you are all too familiar with what is going on. From the College's point of view, we always appreciate the support that City Council and the administration provides. There was a moment this year, for example, when midyear City cuts were being implemented. We were appreciative. The administration gave us a chance to make a case and at the end, did not impose a midyear cut on us. So, we view that kind of action and your own support over time as key indicators of how important you see Community College in this City. Having said that, next year, if the State acts in the way it has been recommended to act, would represent the third year 341 running that either the City or the State will have reduced funding for Community College of Philadelphia. Last year it was the City reduced funding. This year it was the State, a percent reduction as part of 6 the very large scale reductions for higher 7 education State wide, and I think you know 8 there is another set of fairly large scale 9 reductions that have been proposed at the 10 State level which are being considered. The Community College amount is a little over four percent less than the universities, but still, it is consistently a cut. There are no new dollars coming from either City or State and we are literally going backwards when you add that together, at the moment, year in and year out. This year, I think I actually purport this almost every year because it doesn't change, the percentage of support that we receive from the City is at its lowest point in the history of the college. The percentage of support we receive from the 342 State is the lowest point in the history of the college, and if the recommendations in place for next year at both levels were to go through, I will say exactly the same thing to you, the percentage would be even less for both City and State. That makes us more dependant than ever on student tuitions and fees. This year it is almost 60 percent of our revenue from students. Again, assuming what I have just described for next year goes through, it will pass the 60 percent mark. I guess you should -- I should say to you, this is not even just peculiar to Community College of Philadelphia. Because the State uniformly cuts, all community colleges in the State are effected and local sponsorship has been declining across the State. It is not just in Philadelphia.

Mr. Curtis

So, to my knowledge, virtually every Community College in the State will be at that same kind of point, 60 percent or more of the revenue based on student tuition and fees. And the third and 343 final point that I will make as a generalization, we recognize the crisis. We really try to do our part. We work around it, but more and more, the impact is unavoidable. I want to give you a couple of examples. Despite all the positive things that we list in the written testimony and the few that I named in my oral testimony, we are beginning to reduce programs and services. I can be more specific afterwards if you wish. Starting with smaller ones, but we are reducing. We are reducing some service hours across the campus. We are freezing administrative and classified positions. We do not freeze faculty hiring. Our position is, if the students are coming to us in large numbers and we are accepting them, then we need to provide the courses that they require, and that means we continue to hire faculty, whether it is full-time or part-time. So, there's never been a freeze, at least in my tenure at the college, on hiring faculty. But we are 344 freezing many other vacant positions and that puts stress on the organization. We are rethinking what business means. It is not business as usual. I am going to give you, again, a very tangible example of the kind of analysis that we are going through these days. We are trying to make our decisions based on data. For ages we have been open six days a week at all four sites, but it probably won't surprise you to learn that on Friday night it is pretty empty, and I will site the statistic at the main campus. The main campus is the largest campus with multiple buildings far more costs associated with it, around utilities, around security, et cetera, et cetera, and on Friday night last semester, there are some events, there may be an athletic event or whatever, but actual students registered in courses, we had something like 120 on a Friday night. We can't afford to do that anymore. On Saturdays -- let me give you this semester while I am on Friday night. This 345 semester we had a little over 200 on Friday nights at the main campus, but again, we don't think we can continue to support a wide open campus, and I will tell you how that relates to cost in just a moment for that number of students. On Saturdays, the number is greater than that, but we have done an analysis, we are operating four sites in full for a smaller set of classes on Saturday than during the week, but nonetheless, we try to provide many offerings. At the main campus, the majority of students taking classes at the main campus reside in a zip code that is actually closer to the regional centers than it is to the main campus. They may have reasons for coming downtown, I don't want to dismiss that, but in terms of access, their access in most cases is even better to the regional center than it is to the main campus. So, we have made a budget decision, starting in the fall, we will not offer courses in general at the main campus Friday nights through the weekend. We will 346 consolidate all those offerings at the other three sites. The one exception will be the Center For Business and Industry, that is at the main campus. We can operate that separately, it is on separate HVAC. It is very easy to control in terms of security, and we do not want to affect possible business training opportunities, and there may be occasional moments, such as an athletic event, we will open the gym, but as a generalization, we intend to consolidate. We are not trying to reduce the number of courses, we may lose a couple along the way, but we are not trying to do that. We want the offerings in general to be in the same number as we need, but at three sites instead of four. It will, however, save us hundreds of thousands of dollars --

Councilwoman Brown

I am sure.

Mr. Curtis

-- this coming year. Again, it is around utilities. Several of the campus buildings are interconnected. You heat one, you heat several. They are not 347 zoned in a way that we can do it. Security, if you have been to that campus you know it is a wide open campus, so it requires a lot of security, and then some staffing, part-time staffing, to keep offices open, labs and so on. We will evaluate that. These are database decision. So, as we go through the coming year, we will do an evaluation. We don't want to lose a significant number of students. That is not the goal. If that were to be true we would have to rethink what we are doing. I am giving the example to say, we are really getting down to the bone, and we are going to be forced to reexamine how we are doing business. Doesn't mean we don't do some things, but we are going to have to do them differently. The other immediate impact is the pressure that the financial situation puts on student tuition. I think I have already eluded to that. We are extremely committed to not putting the total burden of 348 everything going on around us on students. I have suggested to you that Pell is already in jeopardy. Students are going to experience some pressure through Pell Grants and we know that we are not able to increase tuitions, as sometimes universities do, $1,000 at a time. We can't do that at Community College of Philadelphia. We will marginalize some of the students that need us. So, there are limitations. There are, basically, three sources of income for the college, three principal ones: The City; the State; and tuition and fees. City and State are having difficulty right now and are not, at the moment, adding any dollars to our budget. Tuition and fees, we are trying to keep the increases moderate. So, I will finish as I think I have on previous occasions. We work hard to do our part, but we are getting to a point where if what we contribute to the City in order to help it thrive, if we are going to continue to offer what we think we need to be 349 offering, there is a point at which both City and State, we need some additional help. You will see, even in the toughest times, we usually request some degree of additional support from the City. We did that this year, and with our sister institutions, 7 some additional support at the State level. 8 Community colleges in the State 9 continue to be the fastest growing sector of 10 higher education. Students are finding what 11 they need at community colleges, but we can't 12 do it all without some level of additional 13 help beyond just putting it on student tuition. Again, I thank you for the opportunity. I am happy to answer questions.

Councilwoman Brown

Well, thank you for quite the comprehensive overview of all of the channels of activity that are happening at CCP, I believe, and I know that Councilman Jannie Blackwell will be thrilled to hear that the west regional location is expanding and delighted to hear that the workforce issue that you are dealing with is happening 350 at all. So, I have a few questions, then I want to turn the mic over to Councilman Greenlee. Any linkage with Mark Edwards, who is now our City's leading workforce professional here in the City, as you think through and work through the workforce issues at CCP?

Mr. Curtis

I am sorry. I didn't understand the question.

Councilwoman Brown

Any linkages with Mark Edwards, Philadelphia --

Mr. Curtis

Oh. Yes, absolutely. I have sat on the WIB Board since it was created right after the wheel legislation, but we have frequently undertaken programs with the WIB. We have engaged in training through what has been PWDC. That is all changing now, and under the new merger, Mark and his staff have already met us with at the college to initiate some conversations about other ways that we can collaborate. Again, that should be a part of our role, you know, in working with the City. So, the answer is absolutely, yes. 351

Councilwoman Brown

So, the answer is yes. It is a matter of working smarter in a new environment?

Councilwoman Brown

What percentage of your budget is from the State? You say 60 percent is from tuition and fees?

Mr. Curtis

Almost 60.

Councilwoman Brown

What percentage is from the State?

Mr. Curtis

About percent from the 12 City these days -- the State. Excuse me. 13 That was your question. About 15 percent 14 from the City. 15

Councilwoman Brown

So, you have 16 spoken a lot about the business of education 17 from the mission of CCP as an institution. 18 Let's look to the business of education or 19 the education of business, the business side 20 of education when it comes to the actual 21 institution itself. It is no secret that we 22 here in this body care a lot about what is 23 happening with all those entities and 24 institutions that receive City support. I 352 need to thank you for providing to my office or our offices, the demographic breakdown of what is happening at CCP from a staff standpoint. What I want to look to further is the spending on capital purposes. Professional services, supplies, services, and others. What I have here is helpful. It is not detailed enough for me in that I can not tell from these numbers which are -- you have general numbers here, for example FY09 and 10, it is close to $400,000, 5.5 percent from a discretionary spending for minority owned men?

Councilwoman Brown

What I cannot tell in that is, what part of that number is for professional services, what part is for supplies and services?

Mr. Curtis

Okay. I don't know that right offhand. We can absolutely break that down.

Councilwoman Brown

Could you please do that? 353

Councilwoman Brown

Then we want to know who you do your insurance with; who you do your legal services with; Workman's Compensation.

Mr. Curtis

That is fine.

Councilwoman Brown

Security and Maintenance, because we in this body care about doing business with local.

Mr. Curtis

We can provide that as well.

Councilwoman Brown

As well as women and people of color. So, if you can break that down further, that would be extremely helpful.

Councilwoman Brown

My next question, then I will bounce it, is on of your testimony last year. My staff and I reread last year's transcript, and at that time we found out there was no written policy on business diversity at the college. Councilman Goode asked a question, do you believe there should be a written policy, 354 where in your statement was, I think, a written policy is appropriate. So, as we move now to one year later, please give us an update on what that written policy is regarding minority and women contractors at the college.

Mr. Curtis

The answer is, there is no 8 policy, per se. There is an equal opportunity plan that we have utilized. It is in writing, for the kind of contracting that you have been asking about. That is a multi-page document and we can provide that to you.

Councilwoman Brown

If you could provide that to The Chair.

Councilwoman Brown

Have you incorporated the Mayor's goals into your Equal Opportunity Plan?

Mr. Curtis

Yes, we have.

Councilwoman Brown

What was MBE or WBE participation on construction projects?

Mr. Curtis

What we have given you, these are the recent construction projects, I 355 think last year we provided a previous construction project. This is the main campus construction project. It comes in phases, and this is the report to date. There are still -- I have forgotten the amount of money, another $13 million or something to actually be contracted and dispersed. So, these numbers we know will go up, but this is to this point in the project, it is certainly past the halfway point, but we already know, for example, from contracts out but not dispersed yet that these numbers will in fact rise.

Councilwoman Brown

Does there exist a monitoring apparatus within your organization to ensure that what is written on paper is real?

Mr. Curtis

Yes. We have written the parameters of the EOP plan into contracts and we have a person at the college who has general oversight of our construction on our behalf who monitors that. We report that regularly to the Board of Trustees.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay then. Thank 356 you very much. I am gonna push my pause button and now move to Councilman Bill 3 Green. Councilman Goode, point of information. Councilman Goode.

Councilman Goode

Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Chair. Very briefly. Just because my office made a recent inquiry, do you actually put goals within the RFPs, and what percentage of RFPs you put goals in? We made an inquiry given to us by a constituent about a specific contract opportunity and the only thing that was stated within that contract opportunity was the equal opportunity, economic opportunity statement, which is very bland, and not necessarily meaningful. Do you actually put goals in the RFPs and if not, how do you expect it to lead to participation, because there is no need for monitoring enforcement if there aren't goals that are actually set?

Mr. Curtis

Unless I misunderstood the question, I was answering specifically around 357 the construction projects. Everything I said there, I think, is correct.

Councilman Goode

For professional services?

Mr. Curtis

I am with you now. I don't know that the goals are written in that way in the RFP. On the other hand, we have a standard practice that for any RFP of the kind that you are describing, we require internally one or more minority vendors before we will move through the process.

Councilman Goode

So, you set specific diversity goals for construction projects, but not for professional services?

Mr. Curtis

Not in the same way for an individual service contract.

Councilman Goode

I just want to put on the record, I don't understand why you don't set goals for professional service contracts. I believe you should. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Councilwoman Brown

You're welcome, Councilman Goode. Councilman Bill Greenlee.

Councilman Greenlee

Thank you, Madam 358 Chair. Just quickly, I know it's been a long day. Good afternoon. It is almost evening. First of all, I just want to echo what the Chairwoman said about the accomplishments you have given, the tough economic situations that are out there. Including, I know what you feel is lack of proper funding from the City, and we understand that. You have done a terrific job. The one thing that jumps out at me is on the first page of your written testimony, you say that more than 90 percent of those that received degrees or certificates remained in the City and chose to work here.

Mr. Curtis

That is true.

Councilman Greenlee

I think that is really important because we talk a lot about trying to keep folks in the City, especially once they get out of college or whatever, and you certainly have seemed to achieve that. So, that's great news, I think, for everybody.

Mr. Curtis

Thank you. I mean, that is partly because we are a local college. 359

Councilman Greenlee

Sure. I understand.

Mr. Curtis

We are a community college. We really don't serve outside this County. So, we have, among our students, individuals that want to stay in the City. They are looking to advance themselves, further themselves. I think that has been a fairly consistent -- I mean, it may go up or down slightly, but a fairly consistent trait for many, many years. So, we are not part of the brain drain, as an example.

Councilman Greenlee

Okay. That is great. Finally, I just want to start out by saying, I have no desire to get involved indirectly in collective bargaining in any way, but I think a lot of us always think it is important to talk, sit down, negotiate, whatever. I wonder if you can comment at all about where -- I mean we know, we read the papers, we heard from folks, where, just in general terms, have there been sit downs lately, are there plans to do more, that kind of thing with you? 360

Mr. Curtis

At the moment, that is in the hand of the State mediator. We have -- If you are following then you know we have made, after many months, we have been at this, started months ago, we tried to 6 advance this with what we think is a 7 comprehensive final offer that lays out what 8 we think we can afford, but we have been 9 working with a mediator. I believe the 10 mediator is working with the union and as 11 soon as the mediator calls us back, we are 12 prepared to sit down. 13

Councilman Greenlee

Fair enough. 14 Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. 15

Councilman Brown

You are welcome, Councilman Greenlee. At this hour we will call on Councilman Kenyatta Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Good evening, Dr. Curtis. How are you?

Mr. Curtis

Fine. Thank you.

Councilman Johnson

That is good. I want to first acknowledge your hard work of Government relations person Lynette Brown-Sow. I definitely want to acknowledge 361 the hard work that she has done on behalf of Community College of Philadelphia. I just wanted to have you just briefly touch base on three particular initiatives I am very interested in. One is the Center for Male Engagement. Can you just elaborate on the status of the program, how the program has done thus far to date. The other one was the actual workforce program where you provide the free semester? It kind of boggles my mind all these different cuts that's going on and dollars and cents how would that program equate that you actually still have running.

Councilman Greenlee

Third one is the Advanced College expense for dual enrollment program that focuses on continuing education for high school students. And those are three of my key areas that I am interested in getting an update on and a status as it relates to Community College of Philadelphia.

Mr. Curtis

I would be happy to. The 362 Center for Male Engagement, the college, over the years, has tried a number of initiatives, and I am gonna call them that, I don't mean this in a bad way, but small scale initiatives. There have always been faculty on the campus that wanted to work with students particularly to address the difference in success rates for African-American men on campus and Latino men. Those are the two groups. So, we have done some things but to really make some headway, we have always thought we needed to do it at a larger scale. That is probably a comment that goes to a lot of things even beyond this particular example. So, we are fortunate about two-and-a-half years ago to get some initial funding through the Federal Government that allowed us to -- I don't know that that is true, but he has always supported us in everything we do, but it allowed us to establish the center. What is different about it, it allows us to hire full-time coaches. Think of mentors who are 363 intervening and interceding on a regular basis with the men, often young men, who work through the Center For Male Engagement. So, instead of trying to do some things at a time or 30 at a time, we are now 6 doing it hundreds at a time. There is a whole 7 series of services and activities we run 8 through the center. Some of them are unique 9 to the center. As an example, for incoming 10 freshman, we invite them, again we are 11 talking men now, to participate in a summer 12 experience prior to beginning in the fall. 13 But we are also building on the 14 infrastructure that we have in place for all 15 students. An example there would, be our 16 academic early alert system. Any instructor 17 who sees early in a semester that a student 18 is having trouble; not showing up regularly, 19 behind in homework, whatever. I won't go 20 through all the details, but there is a way of letting the college know that, and we reach out to the student. In this case the coaches can intervene with the student. The students are in effect assigned to the 364 coaches. So, we are doing some things differently and at a scale that is very different from what we have done before. It's been in place a little over two years, so we are still early in the process. But the initial data says that these male students are being retained at a rate that exceeds other male students at the college, in some cases by significant percentage points. So, we think this is a work in progress that is turning out to be very successful. Again, we still have a ways to go. The men who started with us a couple years ago won't be at a point of graduation yet. So, we have to get all the way through that, but the initial data, because we do measure everything, looks very, very promising. The second one you mentioned was our Opportunity Now Program. The answer to that question, we inaugurated that shortly after the events of 9/11. You may recall that even before 9/11, the economy was in a bit of a 365 funk then too, but 9/11 made it worse. In Philadelphia, the airline industry was laying off. Tourism was down. There were people, even more people losing jobs. So, we got this idea from another community college. We, basically, stole it from them, and have done it ever since. What we have found over time, No. 1, this is a population that tends to be older than our already adult population. Average age for us about 27. I think the average age for the Opportunity Now student is often in the 35 area. And many of those students, not all, but many are coming with some college or even a degree already in hand. So, your question was a cost question. We require no tuition from them for that semester. They do have to buy books, they have to pay fees. We do ask them to apply for federal financial aid. So, for some, that will cover the cost. If they do not qualify or if for some reason they are not eligible, we simply waive the tuition.

Mr. Curtis

There is no magic bucket of money here, but it 366 turns out they are not all beginning students. If they were all beginning and needed, every one of them, English Composition I, right, which every student has to take in college, even if you scatter them across the college, in effect, you are having to create extra sections of English 101. There is a cost to the college, but a number of these students already have some of those introductory level courses. They need or want some advanced courses, and in those courses, there are sometimes empty seats. If they fill in an empty seat, it's not costing the college. So, from the beginning, there's always been a cost to us, but we have always thought that the trade off of a smaller cost than we ever dreamed it might be, with what it accomplishes, is absolutely worth it. That is the answer to your question. And the third one, the dual enrollment program for high school students, that is an example where relationships with the school district that have depended in part on 367 external funding are probably diminished in terms of what we are able to do. Specifically, in the previous state administration, there was dollar support for tuition for dual enrollment students all over the State. Each school district could apply for whatever the amount was. And however that was determined, there would be a line item for each school district that would allow them then to negotiate with a college like us to support dual enrollment. That support disappeared in one fell swoop this year as part of the budget decision making progress in Harrisburg. What we have done, we have discounted our tuition to high school students as a way of trying to encourage moving on, but realistically, we expect those numbers to be down this year because there are individual schools that will support some of that. There may be individual students, but it won't be at the levels that have occurred in the past, we believe, because of the lack of tuition support. 368 So, I can't give you the final numbers. We are actively working with not only the school district or the charter schools and others to find synergy around dual enrollment, but realistically we expect the numbers to be down this year.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Councilman Brown

You are very welcome, Councilman Johnson. Please, Councilman Henon, you are up next.

Councilman Henon

Thank you, Chair. Good evening, how are you. Seems like community college is thriving as far as your enrollment. What is your enrollment today compared to the last, let's just say, five years?

Mr. Curtis

Well, as I said, on the credit side, we hit all time records. The last two years, we will not. So, in any given semester, we will have 20,000 and up taking credit courses. By the end of the year, we will enroll almost 40,000 different students. 369 About three quarters of those are the credit side. The rest are non-credit. That is literacy programs, business training that doesn't lead to credit. That may be customized job training and the like, but it will be almost 40,000 different heads.

Councilman Henon

What are the graduation rates from Community College, and of those graduation rates, those who are on the credit end and on a full-time basis, are City residents? It is pretty high, right? People who graduate and leave Community College retain here in the City; is that correct? Is that a fair statement?

Mr. Curtis

That is true. Absolutely. If they graduate from us, they stay to live and work. There is no doubt it. I am not sure how to answer, there is so many permutations here. In terms of graduation rate, the most recent data I have seen we track, for instance, how many students leave us each Spring. They leave for all kinds of reasons. 370 Many students transfer without a degree. They don't intend to get a degree from us. They simply want to get to Temple University or Drexel, wherever they are going. So, I think the last data I saw said that out of 6,000 some students leaving the college for various reasons, to go to work, maybe not doing well, and actually dropping out. About percent of that number left as 10 graduates. About half of every graduating 11 class goes straight to work, but the other 12 half go on to a four-year school. We still 13 have more students looking to transfer than 14 anything else. 15

Councilman Henon

That sounds quite 16 impressive as, you know, when they leave your 17 institution. So, you know, as someone as a 18 late person just trying to assess and 19 understand, you know, how the college 20 operates. It seems like you have, you know, very good, you know, let's just say a pool and workforce of professors and teachers and adjunct teachers to help assist the credits that people need as opposed to, you know, 371 full-time students and some of your programs. So, I think it's a credit to, you know, working with, you know, the administration and the teachers.

Mr. Curtis

I agree with that.

Councilman Henon

Specifically the teachers union. How much have you -- It seems like you have had a vibrant and very good strategic plan with your capital budget and your business plan. How much have you -- How much has your capital budget been to date over the last five years, approximately?

Mr. Curtis

May I ask a question?

Councilman Henon

Well, you can, if you have it or if you can just provide it the Chair at some time.

Mr. Curtis

Let me just answer in a general way. The last five years are different because we received specific approval and funding from the State. We can't undertake a large scale capital project without State approval and with that comes 372 State funding.

Councilman Henon

In my previous job I was across the street. So, you know, I seen a lot of activity. A lot of goings on.

Mr. Curtis

So, for the last five years, our big projects are probably $80 some million dollars worth of projects in the last five years. For construction, that's what you are asking, I think.

Councilman Henon

Yes.

Councilwoman Brown

Point of information. Did you say 80 or 8?

Mr. Curtis

$88 million.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay thank you, Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Yes, Madam Chair. So, yes, that is impressive. Again, I just want to continue to see the college thrive for the residents here in the Philadelphia proper and region, and hopefully they stay here. I too just wanted to follow up quickly. My colleague I think had mentioned about the ongoing negotiations, you know, with my previous background. I understand 373 what it means to be at the table and negotiate, so it's a give or take. I hope -- I hope that there is a resolve soon, you know, because it is in the best interest of all of Philadelphia and, you know, the residents as we invest in an institution that is producing good results, and for those that are participating in educating our citizens, is extremely important. Now, you said that the negotiations now are, you know, in the hands of an arbitrator. When do they --

Mr. Curtis

Mediator.

Councilman Henon

Mediator. Okay. When does the mediator expect; anytime soon?

Mr. Curtis

I believe there is a meeting set for the end of the month.

Councilman Henon

The end of the month?

Mr. Curtis

The end of the month is the next get together. Yes, sir.

Councilman Henon

Good. I would encourage a good resolve, fair resolve for 374 everybody at the end of this is in all our interests.

Mr. Curtis

That is our hope as well.

Councilman Henon

I have no further questions.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you, Councilman Henon. My final question is around the issue of sustainability and the environment being green. A few members of Council, notably Councilman Jim Kenney, myself, and others, who care a lot about this topic. On the curriculum side, has the university looked at the prospect or notion of offering curricula end in this area?

Mr. Curtis

I believe the correct answer, I hope I have enough information for you, is that we in some key areas have done that. Architecture, as an example, and construction management, those kinds of things have specific, not a separate degree program, but specific modules, et cetera.

Councilwoman Brown

Sure.

Mr. Curtis

In other cases, I think 375 it's being integrated in to curricula as opposed to set aside program.

Councilwoman Brown

Sure, because that is the future.

Councilwoman Brown

And then lastly, on the practice behavior side, what steps has the University taken towards recycling and the like?

Mr. Curtis

Well, we do many things already. We also are looking at increasing our recycling and are looking to produce a plan backed by some dollars, we hope. That goes back to our budget conversation a moment ago. That would allow us to take even more steps forward. Probably the biggest steps we have taken around sustainability have been in the latest construction projects. The expansion at the northeast, the new building. We expect leave certification, same for the new building on the main campus, both of which are open now. I can't remember if I mentioned this previously, but up in the 376 Northeast, we were able to obtain a significant economic development agency allocation several years ago, Federal dollars, to support geothermal wells. I think we have 220 of them up at the Northeast.

Councilwoman Brown

Wow. That is exciting.

Mr. Curtis

Originally we intended to use them to heat and cool the new building, but as it turns out, we are using it for the entire campus. I think as a sort of rule of thumb, we are now heating and cooling double the square footage. We have literally doubled the size of that campus for only about 10 percent more in cost. So, not only are we doing the right thing vis-a-vis, the carbon footprint, and all that, but from a budget point of view, it is absolutely economically very advantageous.

Councilwoman Brown

Indeed.

Mr. Curtis

So, we have lots of literature about those buildings, but those 377 are very substantial steps that we have deliberately tried to take in recent times.

Councilwoman Brown

Very, very exciting. I am going to close by beating a dead horse. Repeat again why you -- I believe -- I assume that it is a leadership decision not to have a policy, a Board policy around MBE, WBE, in addition to or instead of your EOP plans?

Mr. Curtis

Honestly, I don't have a reason. We will attend to that. I promise to give you a different answer a year from now.

Councilwoman Brown

Okay then. We would appreciate that --

Mr. Curtis

Yes, Ma'am.

Councilwoman Brown

Because it matters enormously to many members of Council.

Mr. Curtis

I think the actions we are taking are the actions that are moving us in the right direction.

Councilwoman Brown

Agreed.

Mr. Curtis

We will give you more detail, but on the charts that you referred 378 to earlier, every year for the last four or five years, those totals are increasing. So, I think we are moving in the right direction, but I understand the question.

Councilwoman Brown

The progress matters.

Mr. Curtis

Yes, Ma'am.

Councilwoman Brown

The progress does matter.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you very much for your testimony. Any other questions for the Community College of Philadelphia? We thank you very, very much.

Mr. Curtis

Thank you.

Ms. Fernandez

Thank you.

Councilwoman Brown

At this hour, we will ask SEPTA to please move to the witness table.

Councilman Jones

Thank you very much. You can state your name and begin your testimony for the record.

Mr. Casey

Good evening, Councilman Jones. My name is Joseph Casey, General 379 Manager for SEPTA. I submitted my testimony, you know. I will leave it to the Council's discretion whether you want me to read parts of it, or --

Councilman Jones

I think that is a precedent. I don't know how to act. You said, let's just get this started. Are you sure? I mean. Any other members, is that all right? It's getting late in the hour? Okay. We will accept your generous offer. Let me start by saying that it has been my privilege in the past four years to have been Chair of Transportation and Public Utilities for Council's Committee, but as we know, we have upgraded to the freshman Councilman, Kenyatta Johnson, who is now Chair of that committee, and has graciously allowed me to remain as Vice Chair, and I appreciate that. I have had a long relationship with you, and congratulations on settling the SEPTA police strike and are moving us forward in light of the increase in the price of 380 gasoline. You are probably our best option to move more people, more miles in a cost-effective manner. So, we were glad to hear that that was accomplished by you and your management. Hat's off to you.

Mr. Casey

Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Second thing is, because of the increase in ridership due to energy crisis, as Chair of Public Safety now, I am more concerned about public safety. I have sent out letters to you and other departments to talk about the geography of crime. Not so much in order to kind of get a sense, everybody knows crime happens, but where it happens and what the synergies are between agencies, whether it is the Philadelphia Police, the SEPTA Police, the Public Housing Police, school police, and working together is going to be a focus, that at least I have, and members of the Safety Committee will also have. So, in light of that, I wanted to focus on three things. My question will be, can you speak to the violence against your 381 operators that seem to be on the uptake? I have talked to members of your staff that have agreed that that is an issue. The second aspect of it is safety to our passengers and what that means and, you know, safety means different things to different people. You as CEO, can you expound upon that, and then, is there a strategic plan to work with various law enforcement agencies to keep us all safe and cooperating with the Philadelphia Police Department? If you can start focusing on that, that would be helpful to me.

Mr. Casey

First I will mention the assaults on the operators. It is really discerning for me as the Chief Executive Officer for SEPTA to see, you know, our employees going out on a day-to-day basis trying to do their job, to be attacked. We do see an uptake in those incidents. It's not unique to Philadelphia. It's happening across the country, unfortunately, and you know, we are doing a lot of training up front with our operators, frontline people, to try 382 to defuse situations. But, unfortunately, these instances are still happening. We are working with Senator Tartaglione to issue a bill to make it a felony assault on any uniform SEPTA employee. You know, other than that, we are focusing on the areas that we constantly have problems. If the operator identifies a specific area, specific group that he is having problems with, we do send undercover policemen out there. Supervision, et cetera. It seems to be hit or miss. We are sort of chasing our tail as to these instances.

Councilman Jones

Well, you know, Kia Gregory did an article, it said 90 assaults on operators last year. That is up from 81 in 200-- No. 81 of them resulted in a physical assault, and that is up from only two 19 years ago. 20

Councilman Jones

So, this is an alarming uptake. So, are there steps -- I know you use cameras. Are there cameras on all of the buses at this point? 383

Mr. Casey

Not on all the buses, but -- Within two years?

Mr. Diggs

Within two years.

Mr. Casey

Within two years, they will be 100 percent outfitted with cameras, but, you know, I will say the cameras don't deter some of these individuals in perpetrating whatever they are going to do.

Councilman Jones

My concern is, of the 90 cases, only resulted in arrests. 12 Is there a reason for that? 13

Mr. Casey

Only 20? 14

Councilman Jones

Only 20. 15

Mr. Casey

I will introduce Luther 16 Diggs. He is -- Well, Luther, you can 17 introduce yourself. 18

Mr. Diggs

I am Luther Diggs, I am the 19 Assistant General Manager of Operations for 20 SEPTA. We -- of the 90 assaults, they are -- We consider an assault as anything from throwing a transfer at an operator to spitting at an operator. They are not all physical assaults. Of those, yes, 20 we have 384 made arrests and they are for the aggravated assaults, the simple assaults, where there was actually bodily harm done to the operator. We use a lot of the cameras. Sometimes we can view it on camera and actually arrest the perpetrators. Other times, you know, it happens in a way that we can't arrest the perpetrator. So, when you say 90 assaults, a lot of the times it's not physical contact with the operator. It could be somebody threw a transfer at them or something of that nature. But, we do take this very seriously. We have a multi-prong approach to try to deal with it. We found that a lot of the training that we are doing --

Councilman Jones

Are you speaking of conflict resolution?

Mr. Diggs

Conflict resolution 22 training. We have a group that we are working, that is working with us for the last over two years now, and we actually just 385 extended our contract for two more years, to work with our operators and our conductors on the railroad to work with defusing situations, and we actually get a lot of feedback from the operators that that is really helping the situation on the vehicles. We have a good connection with Philadelphia Police, and my police department, and I actually do have a police department under me, SEPTA police, doing a lot more vehicle checks, making more contacts with the operators. Being a lot more proactive in addressing their needs. We are making sure that we have -- that radios are working, that we get better responses at night. Particularly when operators call in and put in out of emergency calls to address some of the issues they are dealing with. We are really working hard to try to address this particular issue, but it is an ongoing problem. We know it is. We will just keep focusing on it and hopefully we can reduce it. Thank you. 386

Mr. Casey

Councilman, one thing I want to mention is, approximately, a year ago, I moved the police department under Luther -- to under Luther Diggs, to get more of a synergy between what is going on from an operator's standpoint so they can, more or less, synergise the police effort on to the transportation. But the other thing you mentioned is, you know, our customers. And again, we are installing cameras throughout the system, but we are finding most of the crime perpetrated against our customers are a lot of petty theft type things. For the most part is people snatching their cell phones, Ipads. They are listening to music and not necessarily focusing on their surroundings. So, we do have an effort to make the public aware of -- more aware of their surroundings. I just found out this morning, I was listening to the Today Show or one of those news, that there was ability to deactivate these cell phones if they are stolen. 387

Councilman Jones

I saw that.

Mr. Casey

Hopefully that will drive these numbers down.

Councilman Jones

How many assaults on SEPTA property were there last year to the ridership?

Mr. Diggs

I don't have those numbers. I can get them for you.

Councilman Jones

That is an important statistic that we want to keep track of. So, if I were to ask you again how many were felony assaults, you wouldn't know that?

Mr. Diggs

Well, if you take in every category, there was 426. Aggravated assaults were eight, robberies were 99 and theft 3 --

Councilman Jones

I can't hear you. You have to speak into the microphone, sir.

Mr. Diggs

All categories 426; aggravated assaults, 8; burglaries, 3; robberies, 99, and theft, I guess that is the snatching of cell phones and things of that nature, 315.

Councilman Jones

So, if you were to total those, quick math. 388

Councilman Jones

426?

Councilman Jones

You don't keep track of what happens around stations within a block of the station, I would imagine?

Mr. Diggs

Only if we are involved in it. If our police department is involved in it, in the station or around the station, we have it, but if it is the City police, we couldn't have those numbers.

Councilman Jones

I am gonna turn it over to my colleagues at this point and as you can see, I am very concerned about it. My focus is on the geography of where crime happens will allow us to better to deploy limited resources where they are needed. So, if you need more assistance from the Philadelphia Police Department, we are gonna kind of nudge them in the right direction. If a crime happens in or around a stop, 60th Street is one of the stops that I am very concerned about. We are going to try to encourage some type of partnership and we 389 will speak on that a little further on. We will turn it over to Councilman Goode at this point.

Councilman Goode

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, Mr. Casey. Hopefully you anticipated my first question. Can you provide an update on lease negotiations for the City?

Mr. Casey

As you are aware we met, I am trying to think whether it was last week or the week before. It is -- My days seem to run together. We met and I know the lawyers are meeting to discuss some of the language suggestions that you had made with the basic outline of agreement. That is where we are. Hopefully we can get things wrapped up. I don't know the time frame, but the last couple months --

Councilman Goode

For the record, for the purposes of the Committee Of The Whole, could you just provide a semiformal update?

Mr. Casey

Yeah, the outline of the agreement that we have was for us to continue operating the City assets and for your 390 information, the City assets include the Broad Street -- ownership of the Broad Street Subway and the Market Frankford line north of Spring Garden, and also the subway surface lines when it goes under the City. I think that is the basic. I think there is a couple other small items that are still being worked out. We are still in the process working with the City to identify all those assets, but the basic outline of the agreement is we will -- SEPTA will continue operating those assets in revenue service. There was an issue with the concourses. The City owns the vast majority of the concourse. SEPTA was going to take over responsibility for those concourses, including the responsibility to fix them up, to upgrade them, improve the lighting, et cetera, and also include the liability for maintaining those concourses. I think that is the outline of the agreement.

Councilman Goode

You left a few things out. I will get to that in a second. 391

Councilman Goode

Is there a likely timetable for the agreement to be finalized?

Mr. Diggs

I don't have a timetable. I can talk to the City. You know, I think the intention from Rina Cutler is to try to get something wrapped up, you know, this year.

Councilman Goode

The scope of the agreement will include provisions for revenue sharing with the City?

Councilman Goode

On advertising, fiber optics, and commercial space?

Mr. Casey

Yes, there was some blanket language in there.

Councilman Goode

How will Council be briefed on the lease before it is formally submitted for our approval?

Mr. Casey

How will they be briefed?

Councilman Goode

Mm-hmm.

Mr. Casey

You know, I guess, we will come to a conclusion between us, SEPTA and the administration. There is two things, the 392 administration has to present it before Council for approval and we have to submit it to the SEPTA Board for their approval. Hopefully before that happens, that you will be briefed on.

Councilman Goode

I actually will pose that question to the administration, but the agreement is between the executive branch and SEPTA for the original lease, that had to be approved by Council.

Councilman Goode

A new lease agreement had to be approved by Council before there is a final agreement. I just think it make more sense that Council be briefed where we are gonna end up even before that final agreement is reached. It makes more sense than to bring us a final lease.

Councilman Goode

Just lastly, related to diversity goals that are set. Has SEPTA ever done a Disparity Study to determine what the availability is of participation in its contracts? 393

Mr. Casey

Yeah, we do that on an annual basis. I will introduce Lily Clait. Lily, you want to introduce yourself for the record.

Ms. Clait

Good afternoon. I am Lily Clait. I am the Director of the DB program at SEPTA. Technically our last Disparity Study was conducted in 1999.

Councilman Goode

Is it time for an update?

Ms. Clait

I would say -- Yes.

Councilman Goode

I think that is appropriate, and then connected to that and in the spirit of regionalism, do we try to capture business opportunities and workforce opportunities for Philadelphia and the surrounding counties; those counties that make up the region. Is there a policy that looks to provide those opportunities to those people who provide the subsidy and the fare revenue?

Ms. Clait

In terms of the jobs you are talking about?

Councilman Goode

In terms of 394 contracts and jobs. Do we have a region first approach to it?

Ms. Clait

No. We do not.

Councilman Goode

Should we develop a policy toward that?

Ms. Clait

Well, right now our DB program is based on Federal regulation, which is our guidelines for how we administer our program.

Mr. Casey

And there is no local preference under the Federal guidelines.

Councilman Goode

Is there a requirement in the Federal Regulations to update the Disparity Study?

Ms. Clait

That is something that we could do at our discretion, if need be.

Mr. Casey

Is there a requirement?

Ms. Clait

No, there is not a requirement for that.

Councilman Goode

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Councilman Jones

The Chair thanks Councilman. Now recognizing Councilman Johnson, Chair of Transportation and Public 395 Utilities for the Councilman.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you, Mr. Leader. Good afternoon, Joe. How are you doing?

Mr. Casey

Good afternoon. How are you?

Councilman Johnson

I am doing pretty good. Where is Fran at? How are you doing? How are you doing, Mr. Kelly? First I want to start off by thanking Francis for providing me an update to follow-up with you and Mr. Kelly regarding coming to the table with Richard Neil, Jr., and the police officers union, transit police officers union. Sir, I thank you for actually resolving that issue. From a public safety standpoint and echoing Chair on Public Safety, that is an issue I have always been, you know, passionate about, but more in particularly during that particular case because there are some many incidents of violence taking place, whether it be on the subway or against certain folks that actually 396 work for SEPTA. I am just glad that ya'll came to some type of understanding, whatever it is, because I feel more safer with a highly trained police officer with a gun as opposed to, you know, just an actual security officer. I am just being frank.

Mr. Casey

We are glad to have our employees back.

Councilman Johnson

I do appreciate that. My question is more along the lines of seniors. That's just my big thing in my district with constituent services. Francis Condell has done a couple presentations to the seniors regarding the CCT program, just to keep on the radar as we move forward the level, as we advocate, which is really out of your purview but to que you in on the radar on the state level, support for that CCT program, the actual subsidy that the seniors receive so they can go back and forth to the senior center and back and forth to home. I am always gonna advocate to see how we can increase that. Some of it is out of your hands, but at 397 the same time, if we work together on a state level, we can keep it on the radar as they divy up the pot to see how we can continue to support the CCT program. How is the transition to the actual smart -- the Smart Card Program that you are going have, how are you gonna update seniors about that transition?

Mr. Casey

We have a long way to go. The implementation is gonna be two to three years. There will be a lot of outreach and currently there is a mention in my testimony where we currently are doing focus groups, more or less policy decisions on the fare, how much we charge for the fares. That will be progressing, you know, and hopefully next year, next spring we will be having public hearings on, you know, changes in the way -- what we charge for our fares and the way we collect our fares. But, regarding the seniors, we also have to talk to with the Smart Card, we will need a chip in the card. We are hoping the Department Of Transportation will issue a 398 consider senior card, if you will, that can be used on SEPTA and when it's lost, it can be replaced, et cetera. But those discussions still have to take place, but we have about two or three years.

Councilman Johnson

Conflict resolution, I think that was mentioned in regards to -- that training, is that like a partnership with the union to try to help the drivers learn how to resolve conflict when they get into a confrontation with somebody on the bus? I am not sure.

Mr. Diggs

That program is actually a brain child of mine. It's a program that is working with third party contractors, very familiar and have worked in prisons and with gangs, things of that nature, to work with our operators, our new operators, we have -- There's different programs. There is a program for new operators and conductors and then there's a program for veteran operators and conductors, and then we also have a program for our managers. It is how to deal with conflict 399 resolution and it's a very involved program. It is very interactive. It is not a lecture. They are very heavily involved in a day-to-day, a lot of group sessions and different role playing and things of that nature and what they have done. We have been running this now about two-and-a-half years and they actually, there is another community out there between them that are heavy on Facebook Page and they communicate back and forth. Not only with each other, but with the instructors after they leave the program to talk about their successes and the different things that they have dealt with since they have been through the program. But that is, basically, what it is for, new operators. It is five days for veterans it is three days, and for managers it is three days.

Councilman Johnson

Just a last question as regards to the customer satisfaction. Going from a 7.2 to a 7.9, what contributed to that increase? Just trying to get an idea what the numbers are in 400 the midst of --

Mr. Casey

There is, I think the whole transparency of the organization listening to our customers, but, you know, in addition to the training that Luther mentioned, we do have customer service training that we have for the frontline people. We've invested a lot of resources to bring our people in to retrain them if you will on dealing with the public. So, it's all of the above. I think there's been a lot of positive changes that our public have seen, including where we saw the biggest uptake of customer satisfaction is what we have done on the Market Frankford on the west end. Those scores jumped up. The lines in Delaware County, we invested a lot of stimulus dollars to improve those lines. Those scores jumped up, but overall, it seemed like every category increased. It did increase from a cleanliness standpoint, the scores went up, from even from a safety standpoint the scores jumped up. So, we are really exited about that. 401

Councilman Johnson

So, the safety numbers jumped up?

Mr. Casey

No. The safety, have -- they felt -- The customers felt safe on the system.

Councilman Johnson

Cool.

Mr. Casey

Those numbers really improved. So, we are really happy about those numbers and I keep giving people comparisons, New Jersey Transit did the same survey. We don't do the survey, we have outside people that did it. Their scores were 5.2 on a ten scale, so.

Councilman Johnson

Thank you.

Mr. Casey

Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Mr. Chairman of Transportation Public Utilities. The Chair now recognizes Councilwoman Bass.

Councilwoman Bass

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening.

Mr. Casey

Good evening.

Councilwoman Bass

How are you?

Councilwoman Bass

I just want to start off first with Francis Jones love fest everyone here, because I just want to thank Francis for all the work that she's done in my district. I am new to the eighth district so it is really really a help to me when I can call you and ask about a particular project and Francis not only knows the history, the players, the project, what is going on, but can just give so much detail that it is really really helpful to someone like myself who is a new member, freshman member of City Council. So, I just really want to thank you for all the work that you have done for so very long and even before this with my work with Congressman Fattah, you have always been helpful.

Ms. Jones

You are welcome.

Councilwoman Bass

But I did have a couple questions. The first is I noticed that you said that ridership is up, you know, that is always a good thing. The more riders we have, the better. Do we ever intend to do anything, like, I know that New Years -- New 403 York on New Years days gives free rides and that is something that increases ridership, and people get on the New York Transit System for the first time and they see how great it is, and it encourages them to ride again in the future. Do we ever do anything like that or intend to do something like that?

Mr. Casey

We have had in the past and, you know, a couple years ago when we had the heavy snowstorms, we were offering discounted rides after the snowstorms to bring people back for the weekends, come back to the City of Philadelphia. So, we haven't done it recently, but that is always on the back of our minds; how do we increase ridership. Unfortunately, a lot of our routes are already at capacity, so, you know, we have to balance that.

Councilwoman Bass

It might be good to consider when we are, you now, -- if we coordinate, for example, earlier we had the City Rep's office here and so if we were able to coordinate an activity like Wawa Welcome 404 America or something like that that is already gonna be happening that we can coordinate an activity, that draws a lot of people into Philadelphia. Even though I know that's an increase in revenue for you, it also might be an opportunity for us to, you know, get some people on SEPTA on a regular basis and also get people to think about moving into Philadelphia, you know, with our great transit system and that, most places don't have.

Mr. Casey

Thank you. We have done a lot. We have issued a day pass on the regional rails to come in and travel all day in Philadelphia. We also help fund the Philly Flash Operation, and part of our contribution, you know, we contribute financial contribution, but part of that is to allow regular riders to also use the Flash. So, the commuters everyday can come to work, but during the weekends, they can also utilize the Flash to rediscover Philadelphia, if you will. 405

Councilwoman Bass

Okay. Thank you. Now, just at the back -- actually, at the bottom of , the last photograph, talks about your infrastructure improvements and I am glad to say that I notice a lot of them are in my district, whether it is Chestnut Hill Line or, Chestnut Hill Line or Chestnut Hill east or west, there is just a lot of improvements and one of the things that we had spoken about when you were so kind to come to my office was in terms of cleaning up the land that surrounds those stations. I know that it is very complicated, some of that land is owned by SEPTA, some of it's owned by, I think, CSX, some of it's owned by private individuals, some of it may be owned by Amtrack. It would be very helpful to me, and I requested this information and still don't have it. So, I am just requesting it again. If it is possible to get a breakdown of who owns what so that if we really want to be serious about cleaning up our stations and increasing ridership, we have to get them 406 clean. We have to know who to contact and who to hold accountable, you know, for all the trash, debris or whatever it may be?

Mr. Casey

Well, hopefully after this weekend, it will be a lot cleaner.

Councilwoman Bass

Well, hopefully after this weekend, but beyond that, because we know unfortunately, that in a lot of our areas, we had someone just go down and take a look at Wister Station the other day, there was something happening and there's a small street right there at Ridge Street and so the gentleman from the Streets Department who was going to clean it up, once again, said he had to get out of his car and move a sofa before he could actually travel around. So, it's a bit of a problem.

Councilwoman Bass

Can I have one more?

Councilman Jones

Continue.

Councilwoman Bass

Also, from our meeting, I think it was January or February, we talked about the Wayne junction rail 407 station and I thought you mentioned that SEPTA had taken out a loan of some sort to do renovations on that project to the tune of about $30 million dollars.

Mr. Casey

That's correct.

Councilwoman Bass

It says here $20 million in the paperwork on , so I just want to make sure I am correct in what I am telling my constituents as I sell this project. It says here $20 million.

Mr. Casey

$20 was construction, $30 was the total cost.

Councilwoman Bass

So, it's a $30 million dollar project altogether?

Councilwoman Bass

Okay. Great. One of the other things that I just noticed in your statement here is that there really wasn't a mention for all the great things that SEPTA is doing, all the things that are listed here, there really is no mention in terms of the human capital what -- you know the people who make SEPTA go. I think I mentioned to you before that I have a sister 408 who is a driver for SEPTA out of the Allegheny depo, and so obviously I have a very deep personal concern about drivers and what's happening with their situation on a daily basis. My sister, as I said, she's a driver. She's been robbed, she's been threatened, she's been hit, she's been -- I mean, you name it, it's happened, and it hasn't happened once or twice, it happens on a regular basis. So, I know that if this is my sister, and she is one individual, the idea that there were 90 assaults last year just doesn't jive with what I know and what I hear on a daily basis from her, in terms of what is happening out there on the streets. I know that she is not the only one that this is happening to. So, I guess I have to ask, what is your plan or, you know, I know that you are doing training to de-escalate, you know, violence, but if somebody got a gun and they're gonna rob you, you can't, you know -- there is very little that you can do except comply. So, I 409 don't know if SEPTA has any other ideas or suggestions that will be helpful or what you are gonna do to address this issue.

Mr. Casey

I can tell you we monitor the incidents and if a specific operator fears that they have, you know, a situation every day that, you know, we will send out officers. They are also always in contact with the control center. So, if they fear something is happening, they could call our control center and we will either send a supervisor or a police officer in response. But it's a difficult situation because these instance happen like this, (snapped fingers), but, you know, our -- especially the first level supervisor as SEPTA goes -- I mean, they are the driving force to any type of improvement that we had from the 7.1 to 7.9. It's really the frontline people that are delivering those higher scores. But, you know, we are constantly talking to PW to see how we can address this issue, but again, what happens on the street also happens on our system. 410

Councilwoman Bass

Absolutely.

Mr. Casey

It is just unfortunate.

Councilwoman Bass

Okay. Because I'd really like to see something done and also, I don't know if the control center is part of the training that is being offered in terms of when something happens, what does the control center then tell the operator to do, because, you know in several instances where she's been assaulted or robbed or whatever, she's been told to keep driving or to keep -- just make it to the next point or the next -- the end of the line. So, it causes great concern, as I said, because I know it is not just her. I know that is happening on a regular basis, and as you know. I mean, you saw, I guess it was last month where someone was shot, you know, and covered in blood and glass and so forth, you know. So, it is just something that is of great concern to me. The last question that I have is about your pension plan, and I was wondering if you could describe or tell us a little bit about 411 your pension plan for your workers?

Councilman Jones

So, this is really like the last, last question?

Councilwoman Bass

The last, last, last question.

Mr. Casey

What would you like to know about it?

Councilwoman Bass

Well, let me just ask you --

Mr. Casey

It is under funded, just like almost every other --

Councilman Jones

What is the percentage? Point of information.

Mr. Casey

I think it's a little over 60. It varies depending on --

Councilman Jones

60?

Mr. Casey

Yeah. It's a little over 60 percent.

Councilwoman Bass

It's better than ours. That's a bad point. Well, the concern I have is that, as I understand it, if a SEPTA worker who is unmarried but has a child, should pass away, then that pension goes to SEPTA, it does not go to -- they are 412 not able to leave their child as a beneficiary; is that correct?

Mr. Casey

That's correct. It's spouse to spouse.

Councilwoman Bass

So, that if you have an 18-year-old son and you have been working for SEPTA for years and you 8 suddenly die, that 18-year-old is it out of 9 luck and the pension -- 10

Mr. Casey

If he is still employed, he 11 will get any contribution that the employee 12 makes toward the pension fund. 13

Councilwoman Bass

So, he will get -- 14

Mr. Casey

That would go to the 15 estate. 16

Councilwoman Bass

So, any 17 contribution that was made will go to -- 18

Mr. Casey

Yes. Any that the employee 19 made to the pension fund would go to the 20 estate.

Councilwoman Bass

Okay. I don't have any other questions. Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilwoman. That is true. We have had -- I 413 have heard -- In fact, a former employee of Council was an operator and he was on the 52 route and he was robbed and after the assailants -- and this is not your fault, but I am just voicing the frustration of a former employee of yours, he was taken -- told to continue to drive, and they tried to take him to an end, they were gonna kill him because he didn't have enough money. He refused to ever drive again, and so I guess what I hear the Councilwoman saying, and which I will echo and try to convince The Chair of Transportation, we need a plan and we want it to bump up on your radar. Because if the drivers aren't safe, for sure, the passengers aren't safe.

Mr. Casey

One of the things that we have been pushing again at the State level is to make an assault against our operators as a felony.

Councilman Jones

Do you know where that stands, Councilman?

Mr. Casey

Because you are not only injuring the operator but you are potentially 414 injuring everyone that is on the vehicle and potentially anyone that could be on the street. So, it's a very dangerous situation.

Councilman Jones

Well, that is one part of the plan, but we would like you to kind of help us to help you. We will advocate from this body for that class felony to be increased, but we would like to see some, also, initiatives that safeguards the riders. We would like to know when your camera installation plan is, is it this fiscal, next Fiscal Year? We would like to know about the success of your training of -- Is it mandatory for all SEPTA drivers to take this course?

Mr. Diggs

As the program moves through, we will get every veteran operator through it. Every new operator goes through it before they are even hired, because we initially started with new operators and then we graduated to veteran operators once we saw that the program was really working. So, we will continue the program until every 415 operator has been through that program.

Councilman Jones

Thank you. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening, everybody. It's been a long day, so let me just ask a few questions, as you can imagine that we all have hanging around here, so I appreciate you coming in. You said in your testimony that, and I am glad to hear, that the ridership has reached its all time high level. Even with some of the -- You had a recent rise in fares, what was it, a couple years ago; last year?

Councilman Henon

So, I think that is encouraging. That is great that the ridership is continuing to climb and you expect positive trends, as you indicate here in your testimony. I have the distinct pleasure of being the Chair of Public Property. So, we are gonna have, you know, ongoing conversations with SEPTA as we move 416 forward, and not just this current year but, you know, ongoing future years if the Council President sees it to keep me there. So, look forward to that. As you know, SEPTA has, S-E-P-T-A, all right. So, I am gonna -- We have been dubbed by our Majority Leader, we have been dubbed the Serious 6 for the new Council members. And I am gonna dub Southeast Pennsylvania Transit Authority as Southeast Public Trust Always. So I trust, and the public trusts, you and your quasi Government public agency, the faith and encouragement to enhance the ridership in the multitude of levels, including safety as you hear here today and ongoing, you know, projects and capital improvements. A few years ago you, SEPTA, had a major capital improvement budget coupled with the America Recovery Act; is that correct?

Mr. Casey

Yes, that's correct.

Councilman Henon

So, that was to the tune of a little over a billion dollars with your own capital monies and the monies you 417 received with the --

Mr. Casey

The capital fund was about $190 million dollars.

Councilman Henon

So, I remember seeing a report that you put out at one of your meetings because I have been following SEPTA for quite some time. 500 for SEPTA's capital and another 600 -- one of the two, 600 either SEPTA or 500 from Federal monies, you know, for going towards capital improvements to enhance, you know, the safety and systems control of SEPTA. So, are you aware, and I am sure you are, of Davis-Bacon when it comes to federal monies?

Councilman Henon

So, Davis-Bacon is a Federal Law that requires prevailing wages from Federal standings and there's guidelines, including certified payrolls, for contractors and subcontractors; is that correct?

Mr. Casey

I am aware of it, yes.

Councilman Henon

Now, it wouldn't be 418 in the interest of an organization, such as SEPTA, if it was brought to their attention that somebody or an entity or a company that was, you know, breaking the law; is that correct?

Councilman Henon

You would not endorse a company who is doing business with your organization who is circumventing or breaking the Davis-Bacon Law, which is Federal Law; is that correct?

Mr. Casey

Any contractor that we hire is obligated to comply with the Davis-Bacon.

Councilman Henon

If they were not complying completely to the Davis-Bacon Act and it was brought to your attention, what would your remedies be? Would that be disbarment would that be -- Tell me what SEPTA would do, since you have public trust at your hands.

Mr. Casey

You know, I think the first thing we would have to investigate, the circumstances of them not complying. We would investigate it, you know. If they 419 continually do not comply with Davis-Bacon, we would have to take more strenuous measures, including disbarment.

Councilman Henon

Okay. Disbarment. Great. You are aware and you know I am gonna reference a subcontractor who it's been brought to my attention who has some issues regarding Davis-Bacon. I know you are aware of it. The contractor at hand, for the record, is Farfield Company. Are you aware how many employees of Farfield lives in Philadelphia?

Mr. Casey

I am not aware of it, no. 14

Councilman Henon

I am gonna ask you a list of questions, if you don't have the answer, which I don't expect you to, we as Council have the right to recall you back, you know, with the answer. So, I am just gonna ask you several questions, if you don't have the answers, you know, I fully understand.

Mr. Casey

I don't think we routinely ask our contractors where their employees live. 420

Councilman Henon

I just want to make sure that the trust that we instill in you is given back to the citizens of Philadelphia, you know, where they pay taxes and they comply with all the laws State and Federal and local laws. How can the citizens of Philadelphia apply for work with Farfield Company, because I am not sure they hire anybody local? I believe they were just awarded a major, almost a $100 million dollar contract with SEPTA; is that correct?

Mr. Casey

Well, not with Farfield. The contract that we have is with Insaldo, they are sub to that contract.

Councilman Henon

That's right. That is a positive train control system, right?

Councilman Henon

That is great. So, Philadelphians, you know, who are two percent above the state average of Unemployment, is in dire need of opportunities to go to work and opportunities to go to work is not limited to, you know, just Philadelphians, 421 but Philadelphians with the DBE and WBE participation, which is far less than what we expect anybody doing business with our City. I mean, you have and a half or 13.2 5 percent here as a goal. I have been hearing 6 throughout this budget process that 25 and 30 7 percent is what our OEO is looking to reach. 8 So, I would hope SEPTA would try to do the 9 same thing for City residents. 10

Mr. Casey

Yeah, I mean, when we 11 establish the goals for the capital program, 12 we look at the types of projects and we 13 looked at the DBE companies that are in that industry and that is how we set the goals. Some of the projects that we have, for instance, track projects, you have a very low percentage of companies that are DBs that actually perform that work. So, it really depends on the nature of work that is out there and that determines the percentage of the DBE.

Councilman Henon

I understand that is regarding sole -- sole source of contracts, but we are talking about competitive bidding 422 where I don't know if you have dealt with Angela with the City for our compliance, but I would encourage you to do so because our goals are much, much higher. As a matter of fact, this contractor event that is being mentioned, not only can they not, nor have they ever, met any type of goals, even a low rate of 13.2 percent minority participation of women who are disadvantaged, you know, goals. They don't hire anybody locally in the City. As a matter of fact, I am not sure that they are paying their taxes. I am not sure where they are getting their workforce at. So, these are questions that I hope when you come back we can continue to discuss moving forward. I had, it was my understanding that an apprentice was permanently disabled when he received an electrical shock on a SEPTA platform. Are you aware of that?

Mr. Casey

A SEPTA employee?

Councilman Henon

An apprentice. Do you have apprentices, electrician apprentices? 423

Mr. Diggs

Not that I know of.

Councilman Henon

Or anybody in an apprenticeship program? If not, then it was a subcontractor. If you can't answer it.

Mr. Casey

I am not aware of that. When did that happen?

Councilman Henon

According to OSHA violations on various projects in the area. In addition, if you can go back and find out, and get the information, I'd appreciate it.

Mr. Casey

It is an OSHA violation. Somebody was electrocuted?

Councilman Henon

Let me separate. I will separate that. Apparently there was an apprentice that was permanently disabled when he received an electrical shock on a SEPTA platform. If you can just, you know, take it down the chain and ask for some clarification on the report, if it is on the report.

Mr. Casey

Can you give me the approximate time frame?

Councilman Henon

I will provide that to you for sure. Are you aware that Fairfield Company's history of violations of prevailing 424 wages in addition to OSHA violations on various projects in the immediate area?

Mr. Casey

I know there were some violations. We looked at -- Our Chief Council looked at the violations. They were -- My understanding is they were very minor violations and they remedied those violations.

Councilman Jones

Councilman, we are gonna ask you to hold up on your questioning. We are gonna move to the next one.

Councilman Henon

I will wait until the second round. I have more, Mr. Chairman.

Councilman Jones

I know you do.

Councilman Henon

And just for point of clarity, this is, I am using this as an example for more of a global concern with, you know, a history of projects and potential future projects. So, I want to have that conversation now.

Councilman Jones

We have two other members that have questions, then we can go 425 right back to you. The Chair now recognizes Councilman Kenney.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you. I am gonna let Councilman Henon deal with the line of questioning he has begun. I just want to say generally though, we are really paying a lot of attention to almost every industry in the City, especially construction, as to the way in which some companies wind up winning bids. I know, because Federal dollars are involved your bid process is what it is, but they wind up winning bids because they employ practices that beat us out of taxes, and beat people out of Workers' Compensation or Unemployment Compensation. I think it would be relatively easy for an agency, like yourself, to kind of monitor this particular contract if there is that kind of suspicion and concern about it it would seem to be a quasi, you know, public agency that you could -- quasi government agency, public agency, you could readily pull those records and demand them at anytime. I 426 think the practices that are really upsetting to me is payment in cash, 1099s, paying people subcontractors, and they don't pay their taxes, and we don't have the wherewithal to chase them because they are individual people. I certainly am in favor of local hiring. If a person wins a bid and they win it fairly, that is, you know, the way it goes. I just think that we need to pay, all of us, not just SEPTA, the City in general, needs to pay more attention to this underground economy that exists that we don't get -- where you have a legitimate contractor, be them union or nonunion, who bids with the understanding that they have to pay prevailing wages, they have to pay Workers' Comp, they have to pay Unemployment Comp, they bid a certain number. A lot of times that number winds up being higher because the guy who is not bidding with that in mind knows his real number and I just want, nothing to do with this contract, I understand totally, if you just pay attention 427 to that aspect of it as it goes forward, I think we would all have a better level of comfort that they're actually doing what they're supposed to be doing. That is my speech on that particular issue. I want to go back and compliment you on a couple things. I want to thank you for your desire and your help in getting into ordinary high school with your diesel repair operation, with the buses that you are putting down there with Mr. Diggs, who by the way, is known as the general according to SEPTA, because he runs a tight ship. Your personal involvement in that process, for SEPTA to be able to help young men and women who may not be going to college, transfer into a program that gets them the skill that they can be hired locally, that they can raise a family and support a family. I think SEPTA should be applauded for that. I really do appreciate the work that you put into that and the good results that are gonna happen as a result of it. Secondly, I would like to thank you 428 personally for your wonderful entertaining of Stephan Gonzales, the young man from the sustainability workshop. He is, like, such an engineering geek, I say that in the best terms. He was just thrilled to be able to meet with all you folks at the high level. He is just ecstatic about his opportunities at Penn State and coming back and working in the Philadelphia region. So, thank you for him. And finally, thank you for regular use of SEPTA, because I continue to tell you, it is eight minutes. Eight minutes I stand on that platform or sit there, and I look at the clock when I got there, it is eight minutes or less. So, I think if that is the major part of judging you on the quality of your buses and the quality of your cars and the way you keep the platforms clean, even though a lot of residents don't respect that. I know it is hard to keep up with all that stuff, but every eight minutes that subway car comes, and I just wanted to thank you for that and again ask you to monitor that 429 contract as best you can, but otherwise keep up the good work. Thanks.

Mr. Casey

Thank you. We will.

Councilman Jones

You are welcome, Councilman Kenney. The Chair now recognizes Councilwoman Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Yes. Good afternoon. I want to follow up on Councilman Kenney's observation that SEPTA's one of the very few organizations in the City where a young person right out of high school with, we will say nominal literacy, can enter at the ground floor and grow a career. One of the few. So, with that, does a relationship currently exist with the school district to capture or interest young people who are coming out of high school, college, they have chosen, or at least they believe that college is not an option. College should be an option for anyone. It is all in how they are motivated or inspired, but to capture those young people who can come in at the ground 430 floor in SEPTA and grow a career. Any type of relationship or linkage at all with the school district that way?

Mr. Diggs

The answer is, we do have a partnership with the high school academies, and we bring in summer interns every year to work in our bus and rail shops. We have had some that have done two and up to three years with us, and we are actually working through a program, actually higher some of them once they graduate from high school. We usually take about every summer and this year we 13 have committed to another 15 to come in and 14 we do other things, different things with the 15 high schools and academies. A lot of mentoring programs and things like that. We work with TW on some other things that we do with young. So, we are really interested in helping the young people in the City of Philadelphia.

Councilwoman Brown

Great to know, A; that it exists, and B; that you are monitoring it to see the real linkage. The real tangible outcome is a J-O-B -- 431

Councilman Jones

-- at SEPTA.

Councilman Jones

Okay then. The second question, ParaTransit is enormously needed still, and I would presume that the need is growing forever, because we know that the Commonwealth is second in terms of number of seniors. Share with us what improvements or progress or modifications you have made in the Para-Transit system over the last year, knowing that always that is a system that continues to, like everything, can be tweaked to at least keep up with the technological aspect and how that can feed and improve the system.

Mr. Diggs

Well, recently did, over the last five years, we put in a new scheduling system. We put all new hardware in. As a matter of fact, we just had some recent meetings and we are going to actually -- we are looking at some software upgrades. The scheduling softwear we have we 432 are gonna tweak that to make it hopefully better for our seniors. So, that is the main thing we have done is to put in a complete scheduling dispatch system. We moved our dispatcher up to our 19th floor so they would be central to the rest of our control center so they can get a better connection between them and all the other forms of our transportation and what is going on from day-to-day. Those are some of the things that we have done. I have a new head of ParaTransit, who is now actually working a lot with the customer service people to make them more focused on other customers and helping customers out. So, there's a lot of good things that are going on and will go on in the future.

Councilwoman Brown

Let me say that I have personal testimony about Para-Transit and the level of customer service is consistent, which sometimes is rare in large organizations. So, whatever -- Tell us about the training, because it is evidence to me 433 that that is working. I mean, the way in which they handle seniors, watch seniors, help seniors, consistently is for me remarkable. So, tell us a little bit about that.

Mr. Diggs

Well, one of the things we have been doing for years is what we call focus class. We started with our vehicle operators and developed a program about a year ago to run our ParaTransit people through, which includes our customer service people, the people that are in reservation and the people that are in dispatch. Anyone who comes in contact with the customers. It teaches them how to talk with people, deal with issues, deal with problems. Things of that nature, and its been paying off.

Councilwoman Brown

The only idea or recommendation I would offer for consideration is, you may do this already, but there are a number of senior citizen locations around the City and you have the Philadelphia Corporation of Aging. I won't use the word workshop, but opportunities 434 where the heads of all those outfits that work with seniors meet with the appropriate personnel in the Para-Transit organization so that they can hear up and close and personal, the hurdles or -- I won't say problems, but the challenges that heads of senior citizens face as it relates with Para-Transit.

Mr. Diggs

If we are talking about, like, outreach, that is something we can look in to.

Councilwoman Brown

If you would.

Councilwoman Brown

I will close, because the bell has rung, in saying we continue to look at all the organizations in the City that in any way receive public dollars and care a lot about making sure that the leadership of the organization looks like Philadelphia, and I thank you very, very much, Mr. Casey, for showing us that your leadership looks like Philadelphia. Thank you.

Mr. Casey

Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, 435 Councilwoman. The Chair now recognizes the last Council person, so far, without seeing a button, Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will be quick. So, just to finish my line of questioning, just a few more questions, Mr. Casey. Are you aware, this is again for the record, regarding Fairfield Company, subcontractor to a $100 million dollar project bid award through SEPTA. Are you aware of any legal action pending against the Fairfield Company for violations of the Davis-Bacon Act and the False Claim Act on various SEPTA projects?

Mr. Casey

I am not sure of legal action, I know there is a formal complaint against them regarding that.

Councilman Henon

I believe so, but could you look into that for me? It's a question, so, I don't expect an answer at this time. What I am trying to do here is establish a record of how people circumvent, and how people underscore systematically bids 436 by missclassifications. Willfully misclassification on their bids. Farfield has, you know, a scheme that really, I think my colleague said, when you are not sure that somebody is paying all their taxes and not necessarily it is your responsibility to make sure that somebody pays their taxes. They are supposed to be responsible and they are supposed to abide by the law, you know, but when things are brought or issues, or somebody who has willfully broken the law, and it can be proven, you know, I would hope that somebody would take the appropriate actions to try to remedy the situation because it allows -- a scheme like there, where you have ongoing misclassifications to not only quasi SEPTA or other quasi agencies, the Federal Government for certified payrolls, you systematically undercut, you know, any kind of competition for local competitors in trying to assure work for local residents. That is a concern for everybody here in the City of Philadelphia, so I just want to 437 make sure that, you know, I get this on the record for a reason that it's not a global concern that we have to have with ongoing construction or competitive bids with SEPTA or any other business that deals with the City of Philadelphia here. Maybe, you know, that is doing work in the City of Philadelphia, how about that. I don't want to say that SEPTA is doing work with the City, but it is not -- If somebody is cheating in one location and breaking the law, chances are they are doing it elsewhere. I think we need to cut that. It is almost like the broken glass theory, it will spread out, and I just don't want it to become routine, let's turn a blind eye to it. Let's accept it for what it is. We have a history with somebody like this, which is totally unacceptable.

Mr. Casey

We will spend special attention to both those contracts that we have with this vendor.

Councilman Henon

Now, on a positive note, I am glad your ridership is increasing 438 and, you know, I do want to thank you for having, you know, some extremely confident folks that we deal with in Government in helping with some of our neighborhood concerns. I have had some positive responses, you know. I see Fran Kelly back there, so, you know, you do have a good team. I hope you recognize, you don't take it personal on some of these questions here, but that we look into everything and recognize all the good that SEPTA has done and the partners with all of us here. I have no further questions. Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilman. I see Councilwoman Brown's light.

Councilwoman Brown

I failed to mention, Mr. Casey, on behalf of Councilman Bill Greenlee and I, our appreciation for responding to those citizens who wrote to you regarding a new payment technology and how you are going to follow internal procedures to have public hearings and the like where 439 that is appropriate and order, but at the end of that window, you all will be moving to institute the new policy. So, we need to put that on the record and say thank you. Thank you.

Councilman Jones

Thank you, Councilwoman. Are there any other comments, concerns for this panel? Seeing none, this committee will stand at recess until Wednesday, April 11, 2012, at 10:00 a.m. (Whereupon the hearing concluded at 6:30 p.m.) 440 C E R T I F I C A T I O N I, Stephanie A. LaForte, a