Approximately. And how many do not have cameras today?
All the new buses we're buying, we're expecting them to have black boxes on them. We probably have about half of our fleet equipped with black boxes and about one for every 10 with cameras, so I'm trying to get --
About half of our buses have the black boxes, and about one in ten have cameras.
How much would it cost for the District to provide real cameras --
Now, that's just the buses that we operate. Then there is the contractors' side, which is an equal number.
Yes. We have required them to put them on where there are problems. Where the behavioral problems are, we require them to put black boxes with the camera on there. And then they rotate the buses if there are problem routes. Some of their buses have them also.
One of the really important points of this goes back to Ms. Blackwell's question about what if a bus or school 2486 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. is having particular problems. There are about of the routes out of 4 the 1100 where we pay special attention because 5 there tends to be a recurring problem there. And 6 it's clear from behavior on, you know, 99 percent 7 of the buses that there's not a problem. But what 8 we are focussing hard on are those 10 or 11 where 9 there tends to be a problem, and there are cameras 10 on all of those buses.
I just was thinking about this as you were speaking. I'm wondering, in addition to behavioral problems that the cameras could be helpful to, I'm sure we have a lot of injury cases, liability cases that go on during the year, I would assume, with students. And would not the cameras be helpful there also?
Well, fortunately, we've not experienced many injury problems.
They haven't found out about negligence lawyers yet, huh? Okay. Too young?
Actually, Councilman, SEPTA has used them pretty extensively on their vehicles, from what I understand. 2487 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST.
Yeah, I know on the SEPTA vehicles, but I'm speaking to the School District vehicles. I was just curious if there were significant claims, and would not the investment of cameras help reduce some of those claims and, in effect, maybe even pay for the cost of the claims. I hate to get into this liability stuff with kids but --
If you laid off those bus drivers 216,000 on a one-time thing, minus whatever the maintenance is, seems to me to be a lot cheaper than paying, I assume, for insurance and for the employment of those people.
Well, our experience to date is that we don't have a problem on the vast majority; and, therefore, even -- I mean, we could always spend twice that because it would also be on the contract buses. You know, as with anything else, we can always spends $432,000 on it, but our experience has been. . . Let me also remind you that we're only basically busing kids up to the sixth grade, so these are young children. And the Councilman's probably right that they haven't been 2488 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. ambulance-chased yet. All right?
Thank you Councilman DiCicco. Superintendent Hornbeck, I have a few questions. One, can you give us a list by Council district of the schools that have after-school programs? And are those programs physically located in the school or -- and any other information you might have about a school's extended hours.
We will be glad to do that. Happily, we have continued to make some progress on that front. I know we have a partnership with the Recreation Department, for example, in which we have about 117 after-school programs -- some in our schools, most in Rec. Department facilities in that instance. And then last year, we were able to start and sustain this year about 40 additional, but we will get you which schools they are in.
Okay. Is there a notice requirement of these teachers that might 2489 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. retire in June? How much time, you know, in what time period, do they let you know?
Ms. Adler, would you set out for us what those dates are? If you will give her just a second.
The question is, what is the schedule for teachers who intend to retire to tell us that they intend to retire?
In order to retire under the 30-and-out provisions, they have between April 1st and June 30th to notify us of their intent to retire. By policy, we require a 60-day notice on either side. We don't always get it but if someone's decided to retire, there isn't much you can do about it.
Okay, because I would think that that would be helpful in planning for the upcoming school year if we knew.
Yes, it is, and we communicate that, and the union helps us in encouraging people to let us know -- but not everyone does. Most do.
Okay. And how 2490 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. are the schools selected that have the VCR and security systems? And can we also have a list of those schools by Council district? I think you said it's 41 schools that currently have either a VCR or a security system, and regarding school safety. (John McLees comes forward.)
John McLees, the School District. There's no problem at all. We can get that list to you, Councilwoman of all the schools that have the systems. In the systems, we look at overall activity, what's going on in those schools, the amount of students in the schools, and, of course, a request from the principal. And then we evaluate that and put them on a calendar and we move through the system, putting the systems in.
Okay. I just want to state that I think the idea that came out of the hearing yesterday about swiping the card is a good idea. I just wonder, in implementing it, would someone be there at the door? Because if a person didn't have a card, then they should not be 2491 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. able to enter just to deal with the issue of trespassers. But I want to state publicly that I think that's a great idea.
You're welcome. That's my only question. And the Chair now recognizes Councilman Cohen.
Councilman Kenney, I hate to interfere, but the first comment I was going to make is going to deal with the question you made. I hope that nothing in what I said indicated that I oppose any combination of other schools. I'm deeply committed to the concept, though, that public money ought to be used for public schools. /BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. system which has no financial requirements whatever for anybody to go to school and get a superb education. I agree with you that people would come back to Philadelphia if we could have a school system that operated, say, at the level -- I hope some schools don't get offended -- but, say, of Central, Masterman, Girls' High, maybe any number of others schools that exist in the City of Philadelphia. I think this kind of dialogue is very important because I think if we had such an overall public school system, the thoughts about private schools, the thought about charter schools, the thoughts about people leaving the City would evaporate, and I'd love to see much more discussion as to how we make the public schools the kind of schools that attract rather than serve as an excuse for leaving the City. I happen to think that overall, the public school system is quite a very good system. I speak personally. I went all through it. I have four children who went all through the public school system. /BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. they all got into college -- either Temple or the University of Pennsylvania. I have a bachelor of science in education preliminary to my law degree. My wife has a master of science in education. We're deeply committed to education. But the particular education that is vital to the maintenance of democratic form of government is a public school system. Now, I think it's good that we, you know, challenge the Superintendent and all the members of the staff here on the economies, but I would really like to hear much more about the curriculum, about what the school system is doing. I go into many of the school systems, often just drop in unbeknownst to anybody, sometimes nobody even knows I was in there. And I find, on the whole, the school systems seem very orderly. I love when I see bulletin boards in hallways and the hallways are clean and the bulletin boards have decorations of little drawings by youngsters. I walk through some of the halls, sometimes never even going near the principal's office. I just want to see how the school operates. /BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. public school system is a distinct asset. That doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot of problems in kitchens and bathrooms and lack of teachers. But I would like to see discussion concentrated on how we make the schools in Philadelphia an attraction to bring people back. Because I don't think a suburban school can possibly offer the kind of advantages and urban school setting can have -- with all the museums close at hand, with all the cultural events we have to begin to develop children fully. And that's why I say, sure, people should have a choice. Of course, they do, but they've got to pay for those choices, just as they do now. Isn't that the essence of democracy? If you're able to afford something, you can choose a better house, a bigger house, you know, with more garden space? If you don't, then you can't choose that. So that's the gist of my concern about the charter schools. If any direction takes away from the strength of the core public school system, I worry very much about the future of the country. /BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. opportunity to kids who grow up in poverty to develop themselves without that kind of public school system. So I didn't mean in any way to indicate that I want to restrict in any fashion whatever the choices of the people are, but if they choose it, they pay for it. But public funds are for public schools -- that's the credo I believe that should operate.
So it's not personal, but I'd like to hear all kinds of debates on how to make the public school system an attraction to bring people into Philadelphia, and that's what I'd like to hear about. Incidently, who sets the substitute's pay?
Who set's the substitute teacher pay? Is that decided by union contract, is it a State law, is it a City law?
All right, so the Board cannot make that decision? 2496 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST.
In your talk, Superintendent, in response to one of your questions, you listed as one of three deterrents -- the last one you listed to obtaining additional teachers was wages. Could you tell us what you mean? I haven't heard -- I hope it's not repetitive I don't know whether that came up yesterday afternoon or if I wasn't here. What do you mean by the wages being a deterrent?
The starting salary for Philadelphia teachers is about $3500 less than the average starting salary in the 61 surrounding school districts. And salaries as a whole in Philadelphia rank about 61st out of 62 school districts. So I was referring specifically to that in terms of wages.
You mean the wages in the Philadelphia School District rank 61st among the 62 school districts?
The 62 school districts in the five-county area, and I think we're at 61st -- worst, bad. 2497 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST.
So we're very close to the bottom of the barrel, if not at the bottom.
Well, I can see that that's a concern, but again, that's nothing that the Board can do about.
No, that has to do with, more than anything else, just money.
Now, one position I have concern about on the vehicles. I think I heard you say in response to a question either by Councilman DiCicco or Councilman Kenney that the number of vehicles available for Board members and others in some sort of group was ten. Now, it's always been my understanding, and I have some personal knowledge of it, that many of the Board members like to go out frequently visiting schools, frequently unheralded, occasionally planned in advance. I would like not to see the reduction of available automobiles to the point where it is interferes with the Board members doing what they're selected for. Board members, do they get paid? 2498 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST.
They do not get paid. And it just seems to me that economy, which pinches the toes so hard that it prevents people from doing their job is not an economy; it is part of a self-destructing system. And I would hope, if there was anything intended by questions about automobiles, to make it clear, I think the Board members and others best serve the school system by making as much time as they are able to make since they're not getting paid for the work, and they obviously, you know, have to find time to carry out other duties in order to earn a living. I would just hope that facilities remain fully available so that they can, whenever they get an opportunity, do the visiting. Because I think some of the economy begins to get like the phrase "false economy." It produces maybe dollar savings, but the cost down the line is much heavier.
Yes, the 2499 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. Chair recognizes Councilman DiCicco.
I'd just like to make a point of clarification. My question about vehicles was not specific to any one group or department in the School District; it was primarily about either Board members and/or members of the Superintendent's staff administrators, etc. I think 'cause last year, I asked a similar question and I found that some of the administrators who are not Philadelphia residents have the availability of vehicles to take home at night seven days a week to and from Philadelphia at the expense of Philadelphia taxpayers, including gas and maintenance. So that's why I was trying to find out, have we made any reductions, are we looking at a more efficient way of using the vehicles by way of either a fleet management or car pool. By no means was I attempting to limit the Board members the use of vehicles or any other member of the administration; I just was wondering if we were able to have a more efficient use of vehicles by reducing the number of vehicles and 2500 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. the manner in which those vehicles are being used and assigned. Thank you, Madam President.
Thank you very much for that clarification. Thank you, Madam President.
You're welcome. The Chair recognizes Councilman Kenney.
Thank you, Madam President. Just one additional comment. On our discussion between myself and Councilman Cohen, I want to give you a little illustration of what I've been able to see and why I think I'm on the side that I am on this issue of choice. I do a lot of work up at a parish called St. Martin de Porres, up at 24th and Lehigh. In that school, there's approximately 456, 457 children, K through 8. Better than 90 percent of those children are not Catholic, they don't come from Catholic families. And when I talk to the parents, many of them single mothers and struggling working people, I ask them why it is 2501 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. that they've chosen to pay money that they really can't afford to send their kid to a school which is a religious school but they're not Catholic. And it's that they have they don't have the confidence that they would like to have in the public school system. And they can't move, they can't afford to go to Washington Township, they can't afford to go to Delaware or Montgomery County. And they feel stuck and they feel desperate. And they believe that their children's future, unless they struggle and pay that private school tuition, their children's futures are in jeopardy. And they have a lot of strikes against them to begin with. The neighborhood they come from, you know, is poverty-stricken, there's employment problems, there's drug-addition problems in that neighborhood, there's violence problems in that neighborhood. But they believe that the struggle they make, that the sacrifice that they make to send their child to that school at their own cost is going to best give them a chance to make something better of themselves. I just think that it's fair to give 2502 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. those parents some of the tax dollars that they earn back to them so that they can make those choices for their kids. This is not am issue of wealthy people getting money that should be going to the public schools; I think this is an issue of working-poor people who have no other way out. And we all agree -- we both agree that education is probably their only way out. So I guess the question is, do we tell those parents to wait until we figure out a strategy to fix the schools for everybody, or do we give them some of their dollars back to make those choices for themselves? And I think that's where the balance is. It's not an issue of religion and it's not an issue of privilege; it's an issue of desperation for many, many of those parents. And that seems to be the only choice that they have.
The situation you talk about, I understand the problems that they have, but I think what we ought to do is get 2503 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. together with the School District here and say, Here's a very serious problem. Why is it that so many children, you know, who are not going to the parochial school for religious reasons feel they have to go? What is the problem? And let's fix it. And the problem must be something in that area. I assume most of them live within that area of the school. And why is the public school system not able to serve those youngsters? And I think that's an immediate urgent problem that we ought to spend time on fixing so that next year, the parents who really can't afford those tuitions feel they can go to a public school that meets their needs. That's what I would address to the Superintendent.
I could tell you a couple reasons they tell me why they make that choice. They make that choice because of discipline, uniform, books, materials, and a sense of security and a sense of --
Okay, I'm sorry. 2504 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. We could have this discussion probably forever, and I don't want to -- he's sitting there twiddling his thumbs, waiting for us to get done talking, so we'll continue this at another time. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Superintendent Hornbeck, I constantly talk to people that say they leave the City of Philadelphia and part of their decision is the difference -- or they use the expression "the quality of the education" in the suburbs. Could you just briefly describe, what's different about public education in Montgomery County, Chester County, Delaware County, Bucks County than Philadelphia County.
Well, there are a number of differences. The class size is significantly smaller in those counties than it is in Philadelphia. Also, a far greater percentage of those kids coming into those school districts have had the opportunity of free kindergarten programs, not 2505 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. necessarily at public expense, but have pre-kindergarten programs coming in, and thus, they don't start kindergarten or the first grade behind, and instead, they start ahead. The quality of the resources they have in the classroom is much greater. The equipment they have is much newer, the facilities are better equipped. More of the building are wired for technology. Even though we've made lots of progress on the computer front, they have more computers than we do per classroom, per kid. The students in the schools have far more opportunities after school than we have. So it's all the things that make for a setting for kids that is safe, secure, they learn, the teachers receive support, the principals receive support. And none of those things result from, in effect, somebody in the suburbs having a better idea or having a richer vision. In all of those instances that I just named, they result from money.
Are you suggesting that our teachers don't get support and our 2506 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. principals don't get support here?
Well, I'm suggest that the teachers say that when they've got to teach 33 kids and their counterparts in the suburbs only have to teach 23, that they think that that's not as much support.
Would you compare the suburban teachers' pay scale, etc., the difference between teachers that work in your system versus the teacher that works in Bucks County.
Well, at the starting salary level, it's about $3500 more. And overall, it's even more than that. We are about 61st out of 62 school districts in pay.
Are you suggesting that because they make more money, they're better teachers? 2507 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST.
No, I certainly wouldn't suggest that. I just listed a whole range of things, and one of the things that puts us at a disadvantage is clearly not being able to pay at the same rate. And there will certainly be people -- I mean, first of all, the 300 vacancies we started the year with, 125 we have today is not a question of poor quality versus good quality; it's a question of no quality versus whatever they've got out in the suburbs. And one of the reasons that we've got 125 vacancies is because, in a relative sense, we have a lousy pay scale.
Then I guess it's not fair to say that all suburbs schools are better environments because you've got schools, public schools in poor, suburbs communities that I'm sure are struggling to accomplish the goal of educating. So is it fair to say that all suburban school systems have it better than your system?
No. Likewise, we've got a lot of schools in Philadelphia -- I mean, we've 2508 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. got a lot of schools in Philadelphia that even the product is better than a lot of schools in the suburbs. And I've never said that -- maybe somebody did somewhere, but not me. I think there are some -- I think Chester, for example, we got to have -- we even have -- you know, they passed the take-over legislation in Harrisburg a couple years ago. Well, we already get to see what happens when the State takes over a school system in Chester. And goodness knows, there are schools in Chester that are in desperate straits -- in fact, on the whole, probably a larger problem than we have.
That was my point of the question, to point out that just because you cross City Line Avenue, it doesn't mean necessarily that everything is getting better in every area.
No, it's much more likely that you will be in lower class and have better books and have more after-school stuff and 2509 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. have more pre-kindergarten and have more computers. But is every school like that? No. 4
They have about $1500 on average, which is the issue that we keep bringing up about adequacy and fairness.
Thank you. The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Blackwell.
Thank you, Madam President. Certainly with regard to the comments by my colleague Councilman Kenney, may I say that his concerns are many of the same fro parents whose children opted for an option of charter schools. I think that -- let's hope in the final analysis that we will be judged by charter schools. And the whole idea of a debate of public versus private versus parochial schools is that it will make all schools better. Let's hope that happens in the final analysis. 2510 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. Back to this transportation question. Superintendent Hornbeck, I'm told that as we're talking that the manual was checked, and I will read verbatim. Act of the Commonwealth Charter Act, 7 Section 17-28 states: Students who are residents 8 of the District shall be transported under the 9 same terms and conditions as transportation is 10 provided to students attending schools of the 11 District. 12 So that means everybody gets the same 13 thing. So I'm just -- so how can students who are 14 in charter schools not get the same transportation 15 as students who are in public schools? 16
That's correct, that is 17 what the law says, and that's the law that we are 18 following, but let Miss Sparkman follow up. 19
Jackie Sparkman. 20 Charter-school students are being 21 provided transportation on the same basis that we 22 provide to our own. We do not provide transportation to the vast majority of our own students. And on the same basis that we provide transportation to our students, transportation is 2511 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. provided to charter-school students.
So those who are then special ed., in the lower grades, or fall into any other special category that public-school students do, that public transportation is provided on the exact same level to the charter schools as to the public schools.
To date, we have not had a single charter school notify us -- that I'm aware of -- that they have admitted special education students who have IEPs that require transportation. If they do that, then they will get transportation. But not a one of them has told us that they have such students.
Well, what about other schools where students -- we all know of schools where students -- and some of our, quote/unquote, better schools where students are bused because of distance requirements. These aren't special ed. students but just students who live far from the schools in elementary school. Are they not bused? I mean, students who maybe go to Masterman or -- I don't know.
Point of 2512 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. information, Madam Chair.
Miss Sparkman, can you take us through so we can get to the bottom line of this transportation issue. Can you take us through the various requirements that the School District operates under today for providing transportation? Isn't it true that one of the distinguishing criteria here between the charter schools and the rest of the public school system is that you provide transportation for neighborhood schools where students live a certain distance from the school -- is it a mile and a half? Is that the criteria?
And that the charter schools in Philadelphia, by category, are not considered neighborhood schools; isn't that true?
Okay. And so not necessarily by law but by policy, when the 2513 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. District determines that a charter school is not a neighborhood school, you therefore do not have to provide transportation to the charter-school students based on the same provisions that you provide transportation for the neighborhood school. The neighborhood school has boundaries. You consider the charter schools to essentially be citywide schools, correct?
Okay. Now, back to Councilman Blackwell's question. What are the different provisions for transportation services either for young students by age, other schools for de-seg. purposes? The Councilman made reference to some of the -- I forget the term that she may have used. I don't know whether you, for instance, provide transportation for students who go to Masterman or Lincoln or, you know, Central or any of those other schools. But can you take us through what the determination is for providing transportation to 2514 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. certain types of schools or certain age groups of students? Or who are you required to provide transportation for?
The Board's policy regarding free transportation for students encompasses primarily five groups. And in the policy, it says that we transport students whose IEP -- special education students whose IEP mandates transportation as a related service.
All right. That's any special education student going to any school in the City?
If their IEP says that they have to have transportation, you provide transportation for them.
That's for a regular public school and if the case were a charter school; is that right?
And beyond the City limits as well -- not just within the City.
We transport students in conjunction with Board policy who are enrolled in School District's desegregation program. That's grades 1 through 12, if they live one mile or more from that school.
Okay. Students who are enrolled in the District's desegregation program, we provide free transportation.
De-seg. program, grades through 12. If that school that you're attending that's part of the de-seg. program is a mile or more away from your home. 2516 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST.
All right. So if I live in West Philadelphia and I go to a school in the Northeast -- clearly more than a mile -- and I'm a de-seg. student, I get transportation.
Right. Elementary- school students get busing. And the secondary-school students, we give free tokens to.
Tokens, okay, 'cause they're old enough to go on their own.
We have transportation for overcrowded conditions. There's situations where the school cannot accommodate a student in their program, and we take them to another school, public school students. That's a part of the Board policy.
Let's say that I'm trying to go -- let's say that for my purposes --
Did you say one mile for elementary busing, and for secondary, free tokens? I know you said --
Then you said elementary-school busing, and secondary, free tokens. If it's over one mile, period?
That was -- the second one was just de-seg. It's free transportation; it could either be busing or it could be tokens for secondary.
All right. Now, 2518 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. overcrowding. Let's see, Cassidy. I think Cassidy is overcrowded. So let's say that I live in boundaries of Cassidy, but Cassidy's overcrowded and I can't go there so I have to go to Gompers.
Are there any distance requirements, or is the fact that my neighborhood school is overcrowded and I have to go somewhere else so you'll transport me whether it's a mile or two blocks.
It's a mile and a half, and we'll transport you to the other school since your school doesn't have a program.
If I'm overcrowded from the school that I would normally go to.
We transport kids for distance which is related to the charter school 2519 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. matter. Board policy calls for transportation for 1st- to 6th-graders whose home school within that school's boundaries is a mile and a half or more from their home. There's very few kids in that category very few kids, very few kids.
So my neighborhood school is Gompers or Mann or Beeber.
And based on where I live for what the boundaries are for what school I'm supposed to go to.
If I'm trying to go to my neighborhood school but somehow I live more than a mile and a half away.
To my neighborhood school because I live more than mile and a half away and I'm grades 1 through 6.
Hazardous conditions. If the State determines -- PennDOT determines that the walking route that a child takes to their school is dangerous for traffic reasons -- there's no light, there's no crossing guard, there's no 13 sidewalks -- PennDOT will declare that hazardous. And there's quite a few routes that we operate for hazardous conditions where kids cannot walk to their school, and we transport them. Grades 1 through 8. Those are the five conditions under the Board policy.
Does PennDOT look at the routes that you've determined that you would run buses on? Or do they look at a map? Or do they come out and do a physical inspection of if a child lives here and the school is over here and if there are only one or two ways to get to 2521 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. that school and they've got to, you know, go over a bridge or a dale (whatever a dale may be) or some other thing, they just decide?
Well, what happens, Councilman, is the school contacts us regarding the matter of hazardous conditions.
And we assist them in filling the form out. Essentially it identifies intersections where -- walking routes which the child must traverse to get to the school.
All right. Now, let's get to Councilwoman Blackwell's question.
Wait, could I add one 2522 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. thing to it.
There's a State law, Act 372, that was passed in 1972 that says whatever you do, whatever policy you have for your own kids you provide for the non-publics and ten miles beyond the City limits.
And that probably now kind of leads us into the charter school discussion. But before we get to charter schools, what citywide schools, what schools that have a citywide draw or jurisdiction, do any citywide schools have transportation for those students?
Central, Girls' High, Saul, a couple of them. Do they have transportation provided for students that go to those schools?
Those are high schools. 2523 3/2/99 WHOLE COMM./BUDGET/SCHOOL DIST. No, Central and Girls' High, we do not provide any free transportation for them.
Do you have any citywide middle or elementary schools?.