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ZBA Hearing - January 15, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jan 15, 20258h 11m

Mr. McHugh.

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Mr. McHugh.

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Yes, sir.

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Could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

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Joseph, J-O-S-E-P-H, McHugh, M-C-H-U-G-H.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Joe, you've been sworn and your testimony here today is under oath.

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Are you testifying truthfully and honestly today?

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Absolutely.

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uh could you please identify uh where your property is uh with respect and location to the subject

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with respect and location to the subject? My property is the official address is 7248

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my property

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Walker Street. I'm adjacent to that property. There's an alleyway that divides us. So

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I basically face the rear of that property. How long have you been a property owner

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on Walker Street? 41 years. And you are well familiar with the property located at 4242

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Cotman? Yes, sir. In your experience, all right, strike that. Let's back up. Joe, you provided me

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a copy of a letter dated, or an email dated January 9. And to whom did you send this email to?

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I read this letter at the community meeting, which was chaired by the Taconi Civic Association.

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and i think i may have given it to joe the attorney also i received i received the one

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the photo uh mr mccue but not not a copy of your letter yeah i did read at the meeting yes sir okay

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joe joe console uh you acknowledge receipt of mccue's uh yeah at least a picture of his email

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correct oh no no it was a just a picture of two cars parked at the property

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Okay, I'm sorry. Do you mind if I interpret this?

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I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I keep forgetting that we're translating.

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I thought I spoke fast

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My God. OK. Why don't we concentrate on your witness here now, Joe?

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OK. Back to Joe McHugh. All right, Joe, you're well aware of this application.

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And could you please describe for the board in your own words to get to the point as to what you observed at this site?

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And we'll address the at least the four items raised in your email dated January 9.

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Mr. Chair, I will upload a copy of that letter

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and I would ask a board counsel to accept it as one of our exhibits

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as I was just retained an hour ago in this matter.

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All right, Joe.

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Joe McHugh, I would advise you

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speak slowly

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take pauses

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so the translator can

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translate your words

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into the

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required language

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for the applicant

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对 请你一点一点讲

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现在是让我讲

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然后有空间让那个翻译员翻译

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不是 他讲

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他讲

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Sean, why don't you have your client start testifying, please?

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Joe McHugh, back to you.

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All right.

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So basically, 41 years residing at the property.

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You showed a really nice picture in the beginning of the property, which don't exist today.

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I have photos, and you saw some of the photos that were shared, that were downloaded, and they scrolled pretty quickly.

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And I'll put some pictures up also.

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Also, there is steps that lead from the doctor's office to the kitchen area of the first floor.

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They've been there forever.

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Now, if they took them out, I can't help that.

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But I've been in that property more than once.

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They were my neighbors.

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They were my friends.

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They gutted that first floor doctor's office in the cover of darkness, I don't think with any permits.

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And they also installed electrical panels for meters in the cover of darkness.

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Thank God no one was injured.

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And today there's one meter with three open holes for additional meters that are covered with cardboard, which is.

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uh holes for additional meters that are covered with cardboard which is an absolute atrocity

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because someone's going to be end up getting injured

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object to that just in the sense that there are electrical permits on file that are public

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for the public to view yeah but they're for inside not the outside all right joe joe pause uh

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mr consul pause so the translator can

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So Mr. Ward, if you would,

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Could you focus in on why your client doesn't want to see this happen?

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I mean, I think that's where we should be with it.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Joe McHugh, as suggested by the chair, let's get to the point.

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What is the history of this property and why are you opposed to it?

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I'm going to bring them up now.

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He's been one of the reasons they think it's so good to get the run.

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Counsel, do you have these photos?

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I have one photo of two cars parked in the back of the property.

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I received the top photo at the RCO meeting.

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Right.

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Right. So that's that's the problem we're having with his clients parking.

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The renters already started parking on the sidewalk blocking the highway.

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And also you can see additional pictures of how they're maintaining the property.

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They're absentee landlords. The back door of the doctor's office has been broke for probably over six months.

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It just swings back and forth in the wind

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And all you hear all night long

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Is banging from the door

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Joe, let me interrupt

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Let the translator go

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And then I have a question

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对,就是我反对的原因

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就是首先两个车停在那里

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就是首先两个车停在那里

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然后挡着那个高速公路上的那条路

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然后挡着那个高速公路上的那条路

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然后另外就是

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你没有好好的管理你的那个房子

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然后另外就是你没有好好的管理你的那个房子

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到处都是数月

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到处都是数月

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然后而且后面那个办公室

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然后而且后面那个办公室

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就本来是医生办公室的门

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就一直没有关好

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就一直打打打

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那些风吹来的时候造成很多的噪音

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你没有好好的管理

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Joe McHugh

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Yes, sir

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Let me direct your attention

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and it is requested by the board chair.

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You are the owner and occupant of the property

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directly behind this property, correct?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I would like to ask you,

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is he the owner of the property behind the property?

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He said yes.

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During the doctor's tenure of ownership and occupancy of that property,

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What has it been used as?

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Pause.

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Translator.

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This has been a doctor's office from the day I moved in, 41 years ago.

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That would be the ground level, correct?

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Yes.

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And what were the upper floors used as?

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That's where the family of the doctor lived.

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That's where the family of the doctor lived.

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So, Sean, I think I understand that.

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Could you go back again and focus on why is it that he doesn't want that here?

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I know the reason.

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Joe McHugh, what is the opposition to converting the doctor's office into

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What is the opposition to converting the doctor's office into an additional dwelling unit?

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为什么你反对呢?改建?

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To begin with, we have no parking on the block.

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They want to put a total of five or six bedrooms total in the place.

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um septa just put in front of the property on cotman avenue a no stopping bus only that

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encompasses four houses and all the people on cotman have to park elsewhere so this is what

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we're living and dealing with they they they i've never saw this owner at the property you can see

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to the condition that it's in, you want me to pause so they can translate?

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Okay, yeah, first of all, he was talking about the停車 problem, he just said that there was a problem.

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And then he said that he hasn't seen you there, he hasn't seen you there,

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he hasn't been able to take care of your house.

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I've been there, but when I was there, he didn't see you there.

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No, you can't say that.

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All right, all right, Joe McHugh, back to you, in your opinion and in your experience,

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is there any reason this corner property cannot be occupied as a single family dwelling?

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Well, we continue to have pest problems there. We've never had...

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Joe, Joe, please answer my question.

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In your opinion and your experience

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As an adjacent property owner

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Do you see any reason

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Why this property cannot be occupied

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As a single family dwelling

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In accordance with the zoning code

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And other adjacent properties

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刚才他就问他那个原因是什么

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他说有那些虫的问题

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但是那个人又问他

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你可不可以直接讲

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为什么你反对他改建

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It never has and should never be

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Which was going to create more parking issues in the neighborhood

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And the current renters are total disregard to the community

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There's trash everywhere

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因为一直以来就是从来都没有这样改建

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一直我们都是这样用的

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然后如果你这样给它改建的话

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会造成停车的问题

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然后另外就是这个现在这个拥有者

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从来就没有很好的去照顾这个地方

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有很多垃圾

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你可以讲讲到底现在你的经历是什么

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你要不要讲一讲

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那我讲了吗

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不是你 是他

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uh we've never had issues with trash we never had issues with mice uh roaches and you could see

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the photos i have taken versus the photos from the initial um display that joe the attorney put

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on those bushes don't even exist anymore they cemented the front area took the brush out now

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Now it's cemented area.

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That's what they're leaving their trash.

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It's just, it's creating havoc to the neighborhood.

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For 41 years, this has been a nice place to live.

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Right, pause.

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Okay,对,就是主要的原因就是我们从来没有看过这么多垃圾,

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然后有老鼠,有蟑螂,就是那些地方本来应该要放垃圾的,没有放,

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然后到处都是乱糟糟的,41年以来都是很好的地方居住,

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Now we're going to make a very bad situation.

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Thank you, Mr. McHugh.

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Mr. Chairman, I would just have some summary comments regarding applicants' burden and based upon the feedback from the community.

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Questions from the board.

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I have a question.

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This is for Joseph Council

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And I was just wondering

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Council, could you have your client

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Share what their plans were

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With the property

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When they purchased it in 2023

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